Whats up with RTG *yes even the approved ones

[assa92004]

Whats up with the RTG sites, yes even the ones on here.

I can tell from my own experience and 10 Plus thousand dollars
that there is something not right.
example 200 plus spins better 2 dollars or 5 dollars gets no features
at some it was higher.

Its like someone at RTG hq have decided that there are no pay outs
or way less.. However isnt that a bit short sited, i know there there is hard times .. but short sighted profits will kill the once good name RTG had
for fairness and a slightly less than even chance (*house has to be the winner eventually that is a given but some of the things I and some of my friends who play have seen for themselves is truly shocking)

and this as i said, isnt one or 2 its most of the RTG off the CM list here
and others... I have had talks with some managers about it. and its always the same.. oh you are having a loosing streak.. sure that can happen and its to be expected but same night 5 casinos from different groups all using RTG
software .. something stinks. as I said if it was only me i would say a very bad loosing streak but.. 3 of my friends who live near by said the same thing almost at the same time.. that its been truly bad at RTG lately

I play at others so i hadnt noticed it.. unitl really now..

end of rant.

thank you

 

[5250phil]

i had my worst loosing streak ever yesterday at lockcasino

deposited $800 in $100 increments and only got 3 features on tripletwister 1 feature payed $40 and the other 2 were less than $4 each with a win win feature bonus of 8 x bet

i think i played for roughly an hr tops in game play

ive now learned never to chase a win after loosing a few deposits

after the good comes the bad i recon

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Used to be a member of pretty much all the accredited RTG`s here, but over the last month slowly eliminated pretty much all of them. Im left with Titan, AllStar and clubworld at the moment, out of many that i had installed and were a member of. The way RTG is at the moment, these may bite the dust pretty soon as well.

 

[silcnlayc]

assa92004:Whats up with the RTG sites, yes even the ones on here.I can tell from my own experience and 10 Plus thousand dollars
that there is something not right.

Experience, feelings, thousands and thousands of spins, thousands of dollars later, years and years later...does not count toward "something changed/wrong" on this board to some.

I for one...know that things have changed but since I do not have the so called "proof" that is the only thing many here will accept...I just go on my merry way and let many others live in their little world of dreams...and let them accept the casinos "must be a bad run" excuse for what they have done.

Be careful...things HAVE changed whether all the others say "prove it"....I can't...but I KINOW and that is why I have moved away from RTG's except for playing a token every once in a while to see if they still are as bad as they became recently..and they are as bad if not worse..

All casinos have taken up with lousy returns on bonuse rounds anymore...(see 3Dice thread)thinking it is ok to take thousands from a player and return pennies on the dollar when one hits the bonus...

Good luck...but I would be very careful where you choose to play anymore.
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[assa92004]

no vaginia its not your imagination

In my group of friends it is much the same. but I am now glad its not my imagination. I just wish someone had written this posting about RTG
in general rather than concentrating on just one or 2.. for warned is for
armed. but we live and learn..
but if thats what they are indeed doing then they do deserve to go under
(exceptions to that are afew of the newer ones that seem to be trying very hard with unbalanced software)

 

[assa92004]

forgot to mention

I forgot to mention RTGs little trick of say you are playing 2 dollar bets and you decide to up it to 3 or 4 (which i did) i went from 260 down to nothing and won 12 dollars.. where as before it was constant back and forth little wins.. drop down a bit . win 25 or 30 then back up..
its so blatent what they are doing.

 

[Shyguy]

This has to be just a bit of poor luck. Whilst you were losing this money, others were obviously winning some, it's just that not everyone who wins money actually join up here to tell everyone about it.

 

[assa92004]

Things will not change whilst people still say things like that.

 

[slotjunkie]

Experience, feelings, thousands and thousands of spins, thousands of dollars later, years and years later...does not count toward "something changed/wrong" on this board to some.

I for one...know that things have changed but since I do not have the so called "proof" that is the only thing many here will accept...I just go on my merry way and let many others live in their little world of dreams...and let them accept the casinos "must be a bad run" excuse for what they have done.

Be careful...things HAVE changed whether all the others say "prove it"....I can't...but I KINOW and that is why I have moved away from RTG's except for playing a token every once in a while to see if they still are as bad as they became recently..and they are as bad if not worse..

All casinos have taken up with lousy returns on bonuse rounds anymore...(see 3Dice thread)thinking it is ok to take thousands from a player and return pennies on the dollar when one hits the bonus...

Good luck...but I would be very careful where you choose to play anymore.
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I love the way you keep it so real!

 

[kakata]

This has to be just a bit of poor luck. Whilst you were losing this money, others were obviously winning some, it's just that not everyone who wins money actually join up here to tell everyone about it.

....not every1 who lose come here to say it either tho.....and not everyone knows about forums in general.

Many of us here are the same ppl that were here 2 years ago.... who were not complaining as much as we do lately.....why some dont want to believe that something has changed for the worse?

How come that no1 has come on the forum stating that things are going better lately?
coincidence?

 

[Cant_Get_Right]

This has to be just a bit of poor luck. Whilst you were losing this money, others were obviously winning some, it's just that not everyone who wins money actually join up here to tell everyone about it.

Why am I not surprised? This comment is coming from someone who has a gambling portal as an avatar. WOW! If I were casinomeister. I'll snatch that avatar off your name so fast. It would make your head spin. The beat just go on and on.

 

[5250phil]

we the players are the casinos bread and butter

when the bread becomes stale its time to throw it away

 

[Deeplay]

Well for me I played some at a number of RTGs in the past but with the doubt or in fact the inability to find out what % payout any 1 RTG is set at , as its well known RTGS can have 1 of 3 different settings I think, then I say why bother take even further risk. Strange that NO Rtg rep here has ever commented on the RTG % setting or at least if they did I missed the post in which case sorry

I would play at RTG again if I could find one that met all the following critera :

Flush withdraws - instantly on request
No max weekly withdraw limits of any kind
Fully disclose what payout % each slot is set at (very very easy to do)

Lets face it we all have a helluva alot of stuff we need to abide by - rules terms - documents etc etc etc - would be good to see some of the same from the RTGS - which by the way have a great suit of games just a shame on the rest of the crapola.

 

[takethemoney]

. see below

 

[takethemoney]

I caught a lot of criticism around here recently for posting my beliefs about the way the games have changed. I had 59 deposits and over $16,000 down the tubes that prove to me that things are getting worse....much worse. I won big last year. I hit 40,000 in random jackpots at Cherry Red alone. Something happened around the beginning of December and has been going on since, where I cannot get ahead, meet WRs on bonuses or ever win anything. The only times I have been slightly ahead is when I am nowhere near the WR. Once I near the WR, it seems like the software always goes into the takedown mode. Logging out, coming back later, making smaller bets, nothing works. It's like once your fate has been decided by the casino, you are done. The problem nowdays is it is just gonna keep getting uglier because now fewer people want to play and less deposits mean the casinos are scrambling for money, so it is logical that nobody wins anymore. This is exactly the opposite of what they should be doing but many casino managers are supestitious short term thinkers. They want all the money they can get while it lasts and are not caring or planning how they will build business after that. This is why I feel the present online gambling model is doomed to failure until the US legalises and regulates the industry, at least for us here in the USA.

 

[Mavin1]

Actually RTG players do have tangible proof of things having gone down the toilet with this platform and that is your players records, that records every wager, spin and win you make.

Since the other side continues to expel the canned response that we all get if we rant or vent or just want to know what the heck is going on, then each and every player that has had these continuously "Bad Streaks" should start posting their player logs as it is the only evidence that we players have.

No satisfactory explaination will ever come. So don't expect to get an answer that will make you feel better about going back to any RTG, depositing yet again in the hopes that "Luck" will smile on you.

Funny how the explainations of everyones bad streaks go from a crystal ball mysticism explaination to Einsteins theory of Relativity. Maybe next RTG should just go for the hypnotism, because eventually this will be the only way players that are still in control of their own faculties will ever play again.

So start collecting those player logs and well you know what you need to do.


But for the die hard that still believe that RTG is the greatest thing that's come along, might as well just start sending them your paychecks in a gift box with a bow.

 

[takethemoney]

I have a player's log that is a doozy. $16,000 went away real fast in one place. I don't know how to post spread sheets, or how exactly to decipher what they mean.

 

[AussieDave]

Flush withdraws - instantly on request
No max weekly withdraw limits of any kind
Fully disclose what payout % each slot is set at (very very easy to do)

At the very least these should be standard operational online casino protocols.

Who ever heard of a land based casino enforcing withdrawal limits

Oh sure Mr/Mrs X we'll take you $50K deposit but if you win you can only have $4K a week till it's paid...lol

In my book, if online casinos align themselves with their B&M cousins then they also need to walk the walk too.

However until players decide by not depositing, some online casinos will continue to enforce stupid rules.


Cheers



Dave

 

[Mavin1]

The platform I love to hate!!!! Or love, or hate, or lov........:what:

 

[De Beuker]

ROTFL!!

Is it time for the monthly RTG-bashing ritual??

 

[AudiManinBoro]

The really stupid thing is, is that these RTG casinos are ONLY hurting themselves. I used to deposit DAILY at certain casinos, taking the wins and absorbing the losses. It was part and parcel of the course. Since Jan this year, I havent had one cash out, its been just take take take and ive now knocked it on the head. NO more deposits for RTG and from what im seeing on this forum many people are following suit. The ones who aernt on this forum im sure will come to their own conclusion one way or another eventually. Regardless, the pot is growing smaller and these casinos SHOULD be fighting for the business. But their not. And I think many of them are going to regret it. Weve already seen the start of this already in the form of certain rtg casinos that have gone bye byes and rightly deserved. I can only hope more follow. The bad need to be weeded, the unfair need to go and the ones only out to take I can only hope dissapear and never resurface. Will I feel pity? Oh yeah sure lots of it

 

[silcnlayc]

Mavin1 The platform I love to hate!!!! Or love, or hate, or lov........

OMG Too cute!

De Beuker

ROTFL!!

Is it time for the monthly RTG-bashing ritual??

I am right there lmao with you! I can't bash too much cause I only played a very few bucks this month at any one RTG...but yea...why not...I am next in line..give me my poster! Please?

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[reda]

mavin1 now thats funny.

 

[Dinahnana]

I havent had any luck at RTG in ages. In the last couple of days I decided to make a few deposits to see if my luck had changed

Anyway Club World 2 deposits went faster than light, Lucky Red 1 deposit went even faster. 1 deposit at JC, I think that one went better but still did not get near WR. 2 at Lock, now the play at that casino has two speeds for me, good win or no win and I have been at no win for a long time. Lastly one deposit at Casino 33. Now I know why I havent been making very many deposits at RTG in the last few months.
In fact the only cashouts I have gotten in the last month is from Tropica off a free chip (which paid in two business days so that is an improvement I guess) and I got a pretty decent cashout from 3 Dice today (got 4 bubbles back to back on Coral Clams).

I used to have so much fun when I played online but lately (in the last 3 or 4 months) there is no joy anymore. The slots are dryer than dry. I hope things change soon but I am not holding my breath.

 

[De Beuker]

OMG Too cute!I am right there lmao with you! I can't bash too much cause I only played a very few bucks this month at any one RTG...but yea...why not...I am next in line..give me my poster! Please?

.

Wel, I cannot join the bashing this month, as I did really good on RTG in March, and had a small cashin at Inet this weekend, so it would not be fair.
But I'm already in the process of giving it back..
My last 3 deposits at RTG went so superfast, so it seems everything is back to normal again.

So next month maybe?

RTG slots, it keeps beeing weird, these insane dry spells, not hitting anything worthwile for months, then all of a sudden you get one of those sessions where you just cannot lose, then everything goes dry again..

 

[Dangerous53]

RTG's play about the same for me most of the time, I just never know when to hit the cashout button. Deposited in three today, (no bonus) 50,70,50, and withdrew at all three 200,400,400, so it was a decent session, for a lowroller.

I never take bonuses because it always seems to go the same way. I get a fair bit ahead, and just before I meet WR it's like someone flipped a switch and I can't win a thing. Before I know it, the WR is met, but I don't have anything worth cashing out.

 

[Kenny Lingus]

...but short sighted profits will kill the once good name RTG had....

ROTF, LMFAO!!!!

 

[all4greed]

How sad is this?

I had a 20/20 BoDog offer, made a whopping $9, and cashed it out. Been awhile since I made anything off RTG.

 

[diamondale]

JUST A BAD STREAK DEAR LOL

Why am I not surprised? This comment is coming from someone who has a gambling portal as an avatar. WOW! If I were casinomeister. I'll snatch that avatar off your name so fast. It would make your head spin. The beat just go on and on.

Im tired of them saying just a bad streak dear hmm after 12 deposits i play cesars empire used to be great you would deposit 200.00 it would last all day now your lucky if it lasts 15 mins playing 1.00 bets, Also i noticed i was playing achilles now thats a joke 1500 spins before you get an achilles feature mind you it has 2 features troy bonus and achilles.One more thing if you guys are playing auto play watch your bet sometimes if im betting 5.00 and it disconnects unable to retrieve server which is bs in my book when you come back make sure your bet is the same ive gone back sometimes and about 5 spins later your bet changes to 40 cents which i think the casino is doing that so you dont hit big usually when it does change my bet i change it back and it hits big.And these bonus codes seems there the ones that are set on rtp, when you dont take a bonus you seem to get more winners.Also most casinos when you take a bonus even after a couple thousand lost wont even give you a free chip and these are the major ones its virtual money compared to are real money that needs to change.

 

[assa92004]

ceasers at RTG

I am a ceasers empire fan and play it 25 percent of the time ..
and its crap now.. its almost like when u up your bet from 1 to 2 say, the lets not give him a feature ever... where as before you were almost always get at least one... (on 200 deposit)
something smells... i hope it comes back to bite em
I feel sorry for the help ops.. who will indeed be the butt of the building anger.
urggh.. why are they being more greedy than required. because revenues are down doesnt mean they make the short fall up by downing to below 71percent (had that confirmed when i complained once) to wit they gave me useless
100 bonus that u cant possibly win on. Also when i spend a lot of money (hello main street group) 6 or 7 k or more and dont win, perhaps a ph call some free money or something.. but zippo nothing. perhaps they are hiding.
well the jig is up fellows.. haha

 

[assa92004]

Forgot to add

forgot to add, there are one or 2 (casino titan being one) where
play seemed way better not great but better like they hadnt
turned the pay out machine way back and I could of left even plus 200 a head
(i diddnt but i did cash out a check that made the loss not so bad)

Cant we just set up a charity and send it to help save the RTGs
and let them get back to business as only slightly bent (as per normal casino practice)

 

[footdr]

RTG very streaky but I finally won in the past 4 days

I managed to cashin 6000.00 between 3 rtg casinos. Inetbet has paid big for me two weeks in a row, which is unusual.

AI is funny how I can bet 5.00/spin, and get nadda and then bet 1.25 and get bonus round totallying over 1000.00

guess thats why it is called gambling and is pure luck

hope everyone recoops their losses. I am probably still down, rtg wise as I have lost too much at tital and stotmadness.

 

[4 of a kind]

In 5 more days if I maintain my absence from online gaming which is 100% at RTG casinos, it will prove to be the best 4 week period I had this year.

Played one day and only lost $600.00 dollars.

Don't give up hope!! If online casinos want to remain stubborn, you do have the power to create change for the better...

 

[kakata]

@assa
....and what about 100+ deposits average 70 and not 1 cashout (hello Rushmore group)

 

[nisosbar]

Aside from Bodog which is not technically RTG (but has the same slots), RTG has never really been my favorite. I do concur with those who suggest that there is some way the software was written to meta-manage players' winning streaks.

 

[assa92004]

I find it interesting stats RTG

FYI ... I got some stats back percentages etc.
1950 games played (not a big sample) 60 percent pay out and thats with variable betting (60 cents - 10.00) and at another lovely RTG
it was 28000 games played at just over 70 percent
they really do hate me.. what did i ever do to them
(backed up by the last place that said we can see its low how about 500.00
in an un winnable house bonus.

LOL what ever I did I promise i wont do it again.. just take me name off the list will ya and screw it back to 89 percent again can you please fellas

 

[gloria460]

Speak with your money. If it's not a fair game do not deposit..I haven't deposited with RTG in a couple of months. They don't like me..lol probably next month I'll try club world again.

You guys have been talking about this since last year and you're still depositing. I know the games are cool and they have RJ but seriously stop giving them your money if it hasn't gotten any better in months.

 

[assa92004]

I agree dont give them any more

I agree .. dont keep feeding them and perhaps they may starve or
evolve into something better, where flowers and rabbits can roam freely
.... ooops sorry. I was in an alternate universe for a second where up is down and black was white... mmm ...

If you have done 5 impossible things today, then try winning at RTG
the red sea had more chance at parting than their wallets ever will

 

[DemonUK]

I see no RTG casino reps have had the guts to put themselves in the firing line. Come on guys....defend yourselves.....if you can

 

[AudiManinBoro]

They cant. Thats why their not

 

[assa92004]

smile

haha are you silly, all i can see is villages, pitch forks and torches..

racing up to the RTG castle....raise the percent they scream ..

 

[aceking123]

hi all, sorry guys you all have it wrong your just having another bad run your luck will change but we couldnt tell you what year

 

[Mavin1]

Oh yes, and they can do personal psychic readings for you to let you know that "Lady Luck", will smile on you one day.......LMAO!!!!

Our Certified Psychic Reading Customer Service is available 24 hours a day, 7 days a week. Thank you for your support.

 

[takethemoney]

What the hell happened to Mystic Dragon? That used to be one of my favorites and I could hit some really good 100x + of bet during bonus rounds. Now I'm lucky to get 10x my bet.

 

[coxwel]

lately i hit the strike it lucky bonus on paydirt with 2 bonus symbols.

in the past the strike it lucky alsways paid at least a little, mostly quite big.

this time i hit about 60 cets on a 50 cent bet.

great bonus round ;-9



cheers

coxwel

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Well if you will carry on playing them.....................

 

[assa92004]

Ok so i bite the bullet

Ok i bite the bullet I give RTG another go, i will keep it vague and the numbers vague but u will get the idea (in case i need to take this further mind u)

so u know my feelings on RTG i think a few have the same

well i thought i will try one (off the CM happy campers list)

i deposit a few hundrew dollars, and after a few hours and a few cans of red bull as it was past my bed time at this stage by an hour or 2 or 3 i wasnt leaving the run i was having..

so i decide to cash out at about lets say 3200
so im new to this place.. so whilst im trying to do banking. deal with faxback credit card agreements and such after a while i go back in to the cashier
and i notice half my money is gone thats right 1600
now i never (or nearly never play on bonus for obvious 40 or 80 x reasons)
and i didnt here. i say what the !@#$!@#!@ only there was an F and k and C and U in there
and i try to page life chat.
whilst still doing my scans and util bills and credit card drivers license etc and stuff
no answer.. waited 20 mins no answer the lights on .. but no one home
anyway i find a normal ph no to ring not a toll free.. so i can dial direct
i get an answer machine, i hang up and try again and again, then i think better leave msg

i have no idea if i am going to get paid.

so here it is..not only are they RTG happy to crank the odds down
but if you win they decide that they want to have a cut of my action.
if they want that they could of bloody well been here whilst i was playing so they could of served me drinks and a hooker for that price (kidding just a turn of phrase) but wow..

RTG are definately on the way out if a CM casino credited can do this, and not fix it in several hours back and fourth.

Ihope they do fix it.. i did nothing wrong except perhaps play a different RTG game than i normally do.

 

[Krasa]

I had good luck on RTG. But I very rarely play slots.
I have been reading about slots around here lately. Especially RTG slots. They seem odd. 95%, then 90%, then 80%... it is like you never know what you're getting. With cards you know.

 

[Rusty]

I posted recently about the crazy losing streak at Intertops I had (never made a cashout there by the way)
In that post I told how I went hundreds of spins without hitting a feature before hitting one on loose Caboose.
My award was 3 free spins at X 2 multiplier - the absolute minimum.
The next 2 feature were again loose caboose and the absolute minimum award of 3 free spins at x 2
The next feature was Cleopatras Gold 15 freespins X 3 off which I won my original stake back!

Now that was pretty bad but that was followed by over 900 spins without another feature!
Of course (purely coincidently) the number of winning combinations and the average return dried up during this spell as well.

Even a sample like this of around 2000 spins will be so far outside standard deviation for these games as to be next to impossible on games with 93%+ RTP.

So I wrote to Intertops last Week and asked them to let me know what the RTP of the games I played during these sessions was set at. (Not even requesting they reveal the RTP of games I am about to play which by the way is prerequisite of remote casino license holder in the UK - which is why there are none in the UK )
So far that perfectly reasonable request has been met with a deafening silence.

The thing is RTG are not really any worse than MG and certainly no worse than Rival with overall RTP but I have little doubt that sometimes your deposit is lost before you even play a spin which of course would mean the slots were rigged or the RTP otherwise set so low as to be near impossible to win.
93% the lowest RTG setting? Bullshit, try 65%

BTW noticed an update when I loaded up an RTG yesterday though not deposited. That could mean they have been reset or there is new game.
Anyone else getting updates?

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Inet has just released 2 new games as of today but Im no longer a member there so im waiting for AllStar to get them.