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Whats up with RTG *yes even the approved ones

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Probably so Just Play, hope that this whole thing blows over, but from the others that are posting about the RTG problem, I wouldn't bet on it. Can I ask just what your feeling is about this whole RTG/Inet issue ?? So far all you have offered is admonishment, care to share?? Thanks
 
Yes Mavin, I should clean up my language, but after dealing with the "run of bad luck, too bad, etc." crowd, I just had enough! Ya know???

Well at least you're not alone, after awhile the soap starts tasting better than the same reteric you will always get with this group. So be colorful :D, we don't mind. It's all we have in the end anyways.
 
I have not been here in a while, have not deposited in any casino in close to a year.

I had a problem with inetbet and a few other RTG's that put me off gambling in casino's.

I asked Inetbet to close my account and got a very snotty email from Alan if I remember. It is posted here somewhere.

Last week or so (maybe 2 weeks) I got an email from inetbet saying they missed me and a bonus was in my account. I was curious and downloaded the "smartdownload" from inet.

I had $10. I have not spun a slot in close to a year. I played it and what luck! Was hitting bonus spins on them all.

I know the rules, inetbet has 20x playthrough and 10 times max cashout on free money.

When I got close to the playthrough cashout the balance went south ( amazing) and I was broke!

Then I remembered why I quit playing.

Inetbet, when you rudely closed my account and quit sending emails for almost a year, what made you decide to lure me back?

Did you think I would fall for it?

Good luck all but I do not miss the casino's taking my money and acting like they did me a favor.
 
havent you heard

Haven't you heard its just bad luck.. coincidence
and all not your turn.

the problem is that singly they are (i often wondered who they are ... who THEY really are) correct, statistics etc.. but Stats are a wonderful
thing this is how come elections can be called no 40 or percent of the vote
counted... as trends are trends..
and i smell a trend here..




I have not been here in a while, have not deposited in any casino in close to a year.

I had a problem with inetbet and a few other RTG's that put me off gambling in casino's.

I asked Inetbet to close my account and got a very snotty email from Alan if I remember. It is posted here somewhere.

Last week or so (maybe 2 weeks) I got an email from inetbet saying they missed me and a bonus was in my account. I was curious and downloaded the "smartdownload" from inet.

I had $10. I have not spun a slot in close to a year. I played it and what luck! Was hitting bonus spins on them all.

I know the rules, inetbet has 20x playthrough and 10 times max cashout on free money.

When I got close to the playthrough cashout the balance went south ( amazing) and I was broke!

Then I remembered why I quit playing.

Inetbet, when you rudely closed my account and quit sending emails for almost a year, what made you decide to lure me back?

Did you think I would fall for it?

Good luck all but I do not miss the casino's taking my money and acting like they did me a favor.
 
Probably so Just Play, hope that this whole thing blows over, but from the others that are posting about the RTG problem, I wouldn't bet on it. Can I ask just what your feeling is about this whole RTG/Inet issue ?? So far all you have offered is admonishment, care to share?? Thanks

I agree completely with everyone on this thread. RTG's have been terrible, terrible, terrible. I will probably join Catrina M soon. (Catrina you can still post here, even though you aren't gambling :) )

But, see, the thing is...it isn't just RTG, it's every platform for me. :(
 
Other platforms at least allow you some play time for your money. In my opinion at least. 99 deposts out of 100 at RTG its gone in super quick time and quite often without a single bonus round appearing.

I envision many an RTG going down the toob soon :D
 
Can't get right, I think we are on the same side with this one, hope so. So EXCUSE YOU too, these folks are on the edge of ROGUE, and we all know it. Once again, where are you CM?????

Unless someone sends Bryan a PM, or reports a post in this thread...it is doubtful he would even read it. He skims threads at best, and unless something is really important or his attention is drawn to it...chances are he won't look at it. So if you have a complaint/problem..whatever, you will probably need to send him a PM, and link to the thread.

Same with casino reps..they don't generally sit and read all the threads on a forum...if you want input from them, you will have to PM them with a "heads up" re: a particular thread.

And I'm not commenting on the thread at all....other than to say that these threads have been going on as long as I've been here. I know some of you think that the "RTG rigged" thing is new or relatively new...it's not. It goes back years, although admittedly maybe worse in the last three years or so. There are also a multitude of similar threads (just like this) re: MG, accredited and not.

Again, not commenting, so don't anyone jump down my throat...just some background for ya...and a likely reason why Bryan wouldn't read this unless asked to specifically.
 
I understand Pinababy, just thought maybe CM would be interested to hear about all the negative pub concerning one of his accredited (and formerly thought to be beyond reproach sites ie; Inetbet). I don't believe any of us are on some sort of witch hunt, just want to see a formerly respected outfit get it's shit together and think a little longer term in its treatment of players. Hell, even in the past bitches and moans concerning RTGs, Inet was always spoken of highly as the exception. Seems that isn't the case any longer!
 
I would like to think that RTG slots are random, and when it comes to the slots themselves, I believe they are, and can't be changed. The thing that makes me wonder is the RNG and how it can be controlled by the software/operator.

There has to be some kind of safeguard in place where the casino will not lose money or something. This would explain why they run hot and cold, if there's enough money it will payout, if not you can't win a thing. I've had days where I hit feature after feature on multiple machines, then some where 300-400 spins on one machine gets you nothing.

It would be very interesting to see the reel layouts, even on one slot, and determine which random number equates to a feature or max line win. Perhaps there is a group of numbers that pay well, and this group of numbers is rejected and replaced with another if there isn't enough room left in the RTP.

Wouldn't be hard to do, if the RNG is generated by the operator and not RTG. I forget how many possible combinations DogBoy said there was on a typical RTG slot, somewhere around 24M, but.......

Example:

A: Feature group 5%: 0-1.2M Feature awarded
B: Best paying group 15%: 1.2M-4.8M Big wins awarded
C: Medium win group 30%: 4.8M-12M Medium wins awarded
D: You're a mug group 50%: 12M-24M Losing spins awarded

Just before the RNG result is sent to the slot, GOSUB to this small subroutine, after it returns send the RN to slot.

1. If RTP>95% Goto4 (If RTP more than 95%, sends new RN for D only)
2. If RTP>90% and <95% Goto6 (RTP 90-95% sends new RN for C or D)
3. Return (RTP less than 90% returns original RN, luck of the draw)
4. If RN>12M Return (returns D, losing spins only, if not next line)
5. Get new RN Goto4 (RN too small, generate a new number and try again)
6. If RN>4.8M Return (returns C or D, medium win OR loss, if not next line)
7. Get new RN Goto6 (RN too small, generate a new number and try again)

Of course these figures and percentages are pulled from the air, but I think you may get the idea. Not hard to put this 7 LINES of code in the backend, it could also be changed to filter the RN even further, with other conditions imposed.

/conspiracy theory

Edit: With this in the backend program, there is no modification to the RNG, so any audit would of course be clean.
 
I certainly believe the slots and table games are random and perform exactly as their programmed too.

We were use to 97% RTP, and are just having a problem adjusting to 80% RTP.
 
Admin Warning - flaming

... F YOU INET, greed is killing you at a time when you should be catering to the player instead of FUCKING THEM OVER with the shitty RTP! ... Screw you!...

... Bunch of A-holes. Anyone playing at INETBET is a sucker. Enjoy your losses and then join the rest of us in bashing a now disreputable outfit. Again, just what does accredited mean anymore???

Do not flame other members of the board. I couldn't care less about how pissed off you are at anyone - you do not tell other members to fuck off or call them assholes. 72 hour suspension.

The manager of AllStarSlots is the only manager ive ever seen at a casino that had seemed to grasp the logic of a lot of your comments here. He was truly the best casino manager ive ever known. Then they got bought out by ClubWorld :mad: and in typical CW style, ruined everything that was good about the place. :(
So you're saying that Tom is a crappy manager at Club World? I and a number of members here would certainly disagree with you.

Also, get your facts straight before admonishing me! By the way, where is the response from the CM people that accredited these folks??

Can't get right, I think we are on the same side with this one, hope so. So EXCUSE YOU too, these folks are on the edge of ROGUE, and we all know it. Once again, where are you CM?????
As most members know, I don't make it a habit to work weekends. This is work for me, not off-time as it is to you. Get used to it.

Another thing, I don't feel that badgering me or the mods is going to get you anywhere. If you feel that my input is crucial to a thread, then PM me. As Pinababy mentioned, I don't/can't read every posting and thread of this forum. But I'm happy to join in if need be.

Finally, IMO this is more of a rant/bitch and moan thread - if you have a specific complaint or issue then by all means describe the problem(s) in detail or PAB. Saying that you're being screwed over because you never win doesn't really doesn't hold water. And to claim that the casino staff are assholes because you're a loser...well, perhaps you ought to think more on what you are doing.

Fact - in the end, the house always wins.
Fact - there is no skill involved with games of chance.
Fact - the longer you play, the more you will lose.

If you are not able to accept this, then you should not be gambling on or off line - period.
 
while I do agree with all you said...I want to point out tho...that "at the end the house alwys wins" it looks like that this "end" is at beginning lately..... ...so the road to the end is very very short if even there:o
 
For an extremely long time, forum members, myself included have enjoyed a good rant regarding a platform, RNG, RTP and what have you. But sometimes things can go a bit to far. I see no big thing about having a good rant, but to badger the mods or Bryan into taking action is going a bit far. Also using "colorful" language is one thing, but being downright vulgar is another and many of us don't appreciate it.
As Bryan stated, if we have a real problem then just pm him, but don't try to get him in on a typical rant for public satisfaction, it is uncalled for and none of us expect Bryan or the Mods to fix anything when we are going off on our regularly scheduled rant fest. It was kind of fun to blow off steam, so lets just leave it at that.
Besides, no one can make us win or fix it for us, so don't spoil a good rant by forcing the principle to participate.

For Bryan and the Mods, appologies for your time off being so rudely disrupted.
 
Bryan, I have no problems against Tom or any other accredited casino manager. But I dont have any particular praise for them either!

Ive been a member of ClubWorld for many years at a few of their casinos, but have I ever had a personal email or message off Tom? Or now I think about it, ANY of their customer service? The answer is no.

This extends to a lot of casinos I play at. In fact almost all baring Titan which takes, at times a similar approach.

I referenced Sam at AllStarslots because he went above and beyond his role as a casino manager. Its the only casino ive ever been a member of, where i have actually felt VALUED!

I used club world as the example because it is CW who bought out AllStar and in my opinion yes that was a sad day. The things i thought made AllStar great are now gone. We have the standard club world skin. Load up club world and load up allstar and you will not find any differences. AllStar was great BECAUSE it was different, as was the manager.

I regularly received very nice free chip bonuses at AllStar and I do mean very nice, quite often just for loyalty and to say thanks. None of this 5 or 10 dollar crap put into your account with a paltry 5x cash out even tho i spent hundreds. Sams managers bonuses were always instantly cashable too with no wagering requirements.

How about the great monthly tournament they ran with great cash prizes which unfortunatly were knocked on the head when they were bought over.

Or maybe it was the personalised promotions that were sent out to me regularly at least twice a week. Allstar now has the standard club world 60 % coupons that you can find throughout ALL Of their casinos. I havent had one promotional email from allstar since! In essence they are all skins of each other and nothing sets one apart from the other.

I know Tom looks after his customers if they have a issue or a complaint as do many of the other casino managers here, but go out of their way? Try to be a little different, actually make me WANT to remain loyal to them? No, doesnt happen from ANY Of them. I have never been so impressed with a casino as i was when AllStar came on the scene after they switched to RTG and yeah i was saddened when they were taken over.

Im sorry if some think im being unneccesarily harsh but i do not, im sick to the back teeth of casinos taking my money and never EVER giving any gratitude for it, As if i should be greatful they allow me to deposit my hard earned money with them. :mad:
 
AudiManinBoro: im sick to the back teeth of casinos taking my money and never EVER giving any gratitude for it, As if i should be greatful they allow me to deposit my hard earned money with them.
I agree AudiManinBoro, that there are no casinos wanting to be different and wanting to cater to any players to get our monies..

I aslo gave up on playing except in play mode 99.9% of the time anymore..I blew 60 bucks these last two weeks to test them out again and nothing...so, I will wait and keep my money in my pocket as long as I need to to make a statement...It does not hurt me in anyway to keep my money...It will hurt the casinos in the long run...because if a few more each week stop depositing..this will put a strangle hold on them as they did us...then lets see who is smiling..

I know I am at the low end with a bankroll of playing at these casinos, but those few thousand a month is mine to keep...they did not EARN it..by giving me the play time or the heart stopping wins they used to..

So now, my house looks really good...and I am almost done remodeling my kitchen with these funds that the casino doesn't want...or care to earn...

As so many have said, talk with your walk....and take the money and do something else with it until these casinos decide to stop being so greedy...they expect us players to continue tossing our hard earned dollars down their black holes without question...well, those days are over for many of us..time for the casinos to step up and do the right thing...as they did before..and make it worthwhile for me to invest and lose HAPPILY....



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Mr. Casinomeister makes the good point that if one cannot accept losing as part of the game, one ought not be gambling. I agree pretty much, except, most people here are noticing a trend that has nothing to do with the house winning in the end with fair odds. Problem is the majority of players do not believe the odds are fair at RTG casinos anymore. I have been an avid player of RTG slots from before the inception of the real series video slots. I played frequently for many years. While I never won a random jackpot for the first time until 3 years ago, I can atest to the fact that you used to get far more play for your money. 2 years ago that began to change. While you could still win, I felt that the overall payouts had gone down and getting as much play now required more investment. I used to hit 1000 x my line bet fairly regularly and occasionally even some of those dream hits like 5000 x, 7500x, and yes, even the 10,000x! I was still lucky to have hit over $40,000 on 3 different machines at Cherry Red last year.

This year, no matter how many deposits, it seems things are just shut off. Some will argue that I have had a few bad sessions, which can happen to anyone. Sorry, but you do not go 70 straight deposits on RTG without making the WR, or in the case of no bonus, at least being able to cashout ahead, if you want to. It's happened everytime, this year for me, and my bet would be that most people are seeing their money go into the abyss on every deposit.
Of course overall we should expect the casino to be ahead, but one should not lose everytime. I could normally expect to be down 15-20% of my deposits at year end. Now I am down 100 % of my deposits after 1/3 of the year.

This is the first time in my online gambling tenure where I have honestly believed the games are gaffed. Of course someone will hit some rj's...they have to at least let some of those pay. I've never seen so many brutal take down modes as I have this year and the bonus rounds aren't paying anything much, overall. They are also very infrequent. What about the reel jerks just as I am looking like a bonus round is immiment. What about where everything stops then it looks like someone just manipulated, pushed or stopped the reels to keep what would have been a random win from happening? Open your eyes people! We must follow our intincts and if we feel something is terribly wrong, it normally is. What about all the casinos out there that are not accredited, nor rogued that are not participating in the network jackpots. Some of those are the worst. They almost feel like someone recoded the software to almost never pay anything.

I think most of the players would like to see someone who does not work in the interests of the casinos run an independent test on these slots and report back what the true results are. Most anyone doing this now for the casinos is certainly on the payroll to say whatever the casino wants them to say.....think about it. I'm sick and tired of people on the side of the casinos, webmasters, affiliates, portal owners, managers, et all, telling us players that we are imagining things, or that we are losers. We are not! I do not believe a word anyone in casino land is saying.

This thread represents more than a rant thread and it's allegations should be looked into. I'd be happy to request my logs from every casino I've played at this year and let someone good with math analize them. I promise the results would be an eye opener, especially if we could get everyone's logs and post the overall results. Nobody is going to talk. This kind of information, were it to leak out is what get's people assasinated.

I'm glad I have uninstalled my RTG casinos. Looks like I'll be going to the land based casinos more.
 
RTG AWFUL

I thought it was just me bonus rounds are practically nonexistant and when they do come up pays hardly anything!!wont be playing in those rtg casino much longer,microgaming was same way so I decided to try rtg good at first to bait you in but now just down right stingy might be just a sign to stop wasting my cash on these online casino and stop making them rich,good post.

just my 2cent
Sluggo
 
RTG.

It sounds to me that many of these problems come from playing slots.Why not play the table games, to see if those games are a rip off to play, just like the slots are behaving like?

Have any of you actually played video games like made by Hoyle, just to see if you could make money from gambling?

There's a lot of skill, timing and money management involved.

If you are not getting a solid return of investment on your gambling, from lucky breaks and solid play <like on $1000 you're getting 10%-20% on average a day>, then gambling is either just for fun for you, or there's a serious addiction forming.

The casinos need the money from the slots play, or they'll tighten the limits down on table games.

That means the better gamble, could be playing games at real casinos, or investing in stock market, play poker or horse track.

Remember as players why the casino behaves the way they do, and it'll save you money, give you good gambles for fun, and for the people who can do it as a pro, you will know what you got to do.

Gambling becomes the adults who want the money and those that already got the money.

Nobunaga.

Learn from the pros today, become a winner tomorrow.
 
In 5 more days if I maintain my absence from online gaming which is 100% at RTG casinos, it will prove to be the best 4 week period I had this year.

Played one day and only lost $600.00 dollars.

Was supposed to go to the Bogota this weekend for big poker tournament. After changing plans (didn't go) I decided to give iNetBet a little shot.

Deposited 1K over the weekend and although lost it all, I was given a fair game. I played 95% video poker and had several hours of compulsive gambling entertainment. After hours of playing I had the opportunity several different times to cash out for a 100% profit (2K) but didn't.

Especially the way things have been proven to be recently I of all players knew better, but after so many rebounds with dwindled bankroll during this session, I let my compulsive behavior over ride logical thinking and of course busted out.

With my withdrawal of playing the past four weeks I played like an alcoholic being offered all he could drink for free in a bar.

The good news is although I busted out for 1K my total lose for the 4 week period is $1600.00 dollars and still holds the record for the best month I had this year.
 
RTG managers bonus

I got a 100.00 managers bonus at a RTG site.... they emailed me and said it was in my account... so I spent 20 minutes looking for it... leaving no stone un turned.
looking for leads, and clues.. to no avail...

then i thought perhaps it was an oversite,, but im so glad i went somewhere to play.. what a waste of time that was..

RTG way to go...

I have a tidy little sum left, and i think i may keep it.. if thats the way
they want to get you into their front door.. but wait its a credited

that wouldnt happen would it? Oh well I shall give them the benefit of the doubt.
 
LOL! I guess it is better then a continuation of the losing streak.

Honestly, I have always had good service from iNet. They are one of the few RTG casinos I play at. I usually don't take any bonus, but I have never had a problem with them.

I hate to see all the problems people are having with them, but I can honestly tell you they have never done me wrong. When ever I cashed out, it was processed in within 48 hours, and if I e-mailed them I got a response the same day. And yes I just cashed out this past week on my managers bonus. No problems at all.

To each their own I guess, I just hope everyone will be able to resolve their issues with all RTG casino's because the Accredited list here, are the only places I play at now.

I agree that most casino's are pretty tight lately, but when you do get the chance to cashout, it is nice to know that your not going to get the run around trying to do so. That is why I like iNet and a few other RTG casinos.

LH
 
I got a 100.00 managers bonus at a RTG site.... they emailed me and said it was in my account... so I spent 20 minutes looking for it... leaving no stone un turned.
looking for leads, and clues.. to no avail...

then i thought perhaps it was an oversite,, but im so glad i went somewhere to play.. what a waste of time that was..

RTG way to go...

I have a tidy little sum left, and i think i may keep it.. if thats the way
they want to get you into their front door.. but wait its a credited

that wouldnt happen would it? Oh well I shall give them the benefit of the doubt.

ooops my bad.. i had opened an account a while ago, never used it
and had totally forgotten about it.. (no deposits or i believe any transactions at all) and silly me opened the wrong account..
i got my bonus ..
 
I have not been here in a while, have not deposited in any casino in close to a year.

I had a problem with inetbet and a few other RTG's that put me off gambling in casino's.

I asked Inetbet to close my account and got a very snotty email from Alan if I remember. It is posted here somewhere.

Last week or so (maybe 2 weeks) I got an email from inetbet saying they missed me and a bonus was in my account. I was curious and downloaded the "smartdownload" from inet.

I had $10. I have not spun a slot in close to a year. I played it and what luck! Was hitting bonus spins on them all.

I know the rules, inetbet has 20x playthrough and 10 times max cashout on free money.

When I got close to the playthrough cashout the balance went south ( amazing) and I was broke!

Then I remembered why I quit playing.

Inetbet, when you rudely closed my account and quit sending emails for almost a year, what made you decide to lure me back?

Did you think I would fall for it?

Good luck all but I do not miss the casino's taking my money and acting like they did me a favor.

Still trying. Get it through your head inetbet, I will not give you any of my very hard earned money anymore. Especially as rude as Alan (I think that was his name but its been a long time) was to me.

Here is an email I got:

Hi Catrina,

I hope this mail finds you well.


We notice that you have played the free chip which we applied to your account earlier this month; we hope you enjoyed it and may we take this opportunity to say that it is a pleasure to see you back playing at iNetBet!



We also notice that you have not played since then, I hope this is not the result of any dissatisfaction or any problems you may be having with the Casino? If so we would appreciate your feedback.



As always, if there is any other aspect of iNetBet with which you require assistance, please feel free to contact us anytime.



Regards,



CSR Luke

iNetBet Support
 
iNetBet Promos said:
Dear Catrina,

I have just read your post: Link Outdated / Removed

And I am a little disappointed to say the least. One of our team contacted you a few weeks back with a polite query.
You replied that you would like to have your account reopened and we applied a free chip. Nobody forced you to reopen the account this was your choice.

I see from your log that you played for over an hour and a half on this free $10 and made over 1100 bets. That is not too bad a return in entertainment value from a $10 chip.
The return was around 97% and I would hope that you had a good time playing some of the games.
After that we heard nothing else from you.

Now a few weeks later you seem to want to jump on a bandwagon and post derogatory comments about us. Do you have some hidden agenda here? Why would you post such a thing?
Would common decency not dictate that you reply to the sender of the email asking if they could assist with anything and not post a reply on a message board?

Also why would you ask for your account to be reopened and accept a return chip if you felt so strongly about this?

I am intrigued to know as your post seems completely unprovoked and unnecessary.

I await your reply before posting in the forum.

Best Regards
iNetBet Promos

p.s the wagering on a free chip is 15x not 20x so you could actually have cashed out. At the wagering requirements you were actually $47.49 to the good and so has $52.49 in your account. The max $50 withdrawal could have been requested. Even at 20x wagering you were $39.09 to the good so could have cashed out around $44. The slots thus did not start miraculously losing when wagering was near as you allege.

My account was rudely closed by Alan(?) quite a while back. Basically I was told Inetbet didn't need my business. Did I receive any apology for this? No.

Then I received an email from YOU asking did I want a free chip. I NEVER contacted you and asked for my account to be re-opened, inetbet acted like it was never rudely closed in the first place.

Bottom line is you are fishing for money and I am not biting. I went through 3 or 4 years of losing money with sarcastic service.

Thanks but no thanks. I do not miss losing money AT ALL.
 
For the record here is the original email. My reply was short and I never asked to be re-opened. It was like it was never closed.


Hi Catrina,

Thanks for your mail.

Your username is catrinaxxxx, your password is xxxxxxx.

We've applied a free chip to your account to get you started! :-)

If there's anything else we can help with please ask.

Regards,

CSR Luke
iNetBet Support
----- Original Message -----
From: xxxx
To: iNetBet Support
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 12:35 PM
Subject: Re: iNetBet - do you require assistance?


If you give me a free chip I will play it and see.

I have forgotten my password.

Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: iNetBet Support
To: xxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:25 AM
Subject: iNetBet - do you require assistance?


Hi Catrina,

I hope this mail finds you well.



As you know, at iNetBet we like to review the accounts of our most valuable players on a regular basis.



We were checking your file recently and we noticed that you have not played for a number of months, I certainly hope this is not the result of any problems or dissatisfaction you may have with the service we have provided? If so, we would really appreciate your feedback.



If you do require some assistance with an aspect of the Casino please contact me directly by responding to this mail and I will look into any issues you may have as a matter of urgency.



I would also like to point out that we are currently offering a free chip for our returning players as a ‘welcome back’ gift, if you would be interested in receiving this please let us know?



If you are simply taking a break, please let us know and we will not bother you again.



Many thanks for your time.



Regards,



CSR Luke

iNetBet Support
 
I dug around a little and found the original thread. It was over 5 comp points. If after 9 or 10 months they are looking up closed accounts and trying to lure them back with free chips they must need business bad so watch out. They keep very good records, I am sure Luke knew the circumstances when he sent me that unsolicited email out of the clear blue sky.

I hate to dish up old stuff that doesn't mean anything to me anymore, Inet should have left me alone. I wish everyone well here and hope everyone has luck on their side, I will read here from time to time but looking up that old thread brought back some unpleasant memories of how casino's really operate. I do not miss it. I just miss the members here so I will try not to be such a stranger.



https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/thank-you-inetbet.31958/
 
I feel ya Catrina. Yesterday I was BBQ-N Steak. When I was done. I thru my Netspend card on the coal. I haven't made a deposit in 3 weeks now. I'm DONE also! Funny thing about it...I dont even miss it or even have an urge to play. I guess I've finally grown up. :rolleyes:
 
I have certainly apologized to Inet for my part in this dust up, perhaps your accredited sites should also use manners as well. After being banned, I will never ever comment again on any CM accredited casino as I do enjoy this site. How many other complaining posters in this thread were banned for saying the wrong thing here? Not flaming, just feel singled out after SO many are bitching about the same thing.
 
Now its emails telling me I have private messages on casinomeister.

I will address this in public and it will be my last thought on the matter.

I have been to casinomeister forums maybe 3 times in the 10 months or so since I quit handing my money over to casino's. I came back and posted because I thought it odd that inetbet basically spammed me with a free chip offer. There was no mention of re-opening accounts as you can read in my previous post's. It was a polite email but initiated by a casino which was supposed to have the integrity to honor a request to close the account.

Here is what I am supposed to answer:

Re: Your recent post
Hi Catrina,
Thanks for coming back to me but your reply doesn't answer my queries at all.

As per my PM:

1. One of our team contacted you a few weeks back with a polite query.
You replied that you would like to have your account reopened and we applied a free chip. Nobody forced you to reopen the account this was your choice.
We did not just reopen your account on a whim it was requested by YOU in a reply to the mail.
Why would you ask for your account to be reopened
and accept a return chip if you felt so strongly about this?

2. You played for some time and had a good return on the chip we credited. Now a few weeks later you seem to want to jump on a bandwagon and post derogatory comments about us. Do you have some hidden agenda here? Why would you post such a thing?

3. Luke was simply sending a courtesy mail to see if you had fun on the free chip. Would common decency not dictate that you reply to the sender of the email asking if they could assist with anything and not post a reply on a message board?
Surely a simply "I had fun on the free chip but I don't want to play any more" would have sufficed.

None of the above has been addressed in your reply to me.

Best Regards
iNetBet Promos


The bold part is what aggravates me. It simply is not true.

I replied simply that if you give me a free chip I will play it. I didn't ask to re-open my account and they never mentioned it being closed. Why did they offer a free chip to someone who has had their account closed almost a year? Doesn't that seem a little spammy?

Again, here are the 2 original emails, The first part is my reply to the email beneath it, where did anyone mention re-opening anything?:

If you give me a free chip I will play it and see.

I have forgotten my password.

Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: iNetBet Support
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:25 AM
Subject: iNetBet - do you require assistance?


Hi Catrina,

I hope this mail finds you well.



As you know, at iNetBet we like to review the accounts of our most valuable players on a regular basis.



We were checking your file recently and we noticed that you have not played for a number of months, I certainly hope this is not the result of any problems or dissatisfaction you may have with the service we have provided? If so, we would really appreciate your feedback.



If you do require some assistance with an aspect of the Casino please contact me directly by responding to this mail and I will look into any issues you may have as a matter of urgency.



I would also like to point out that we are currently offering a free chip for our returning players as a ‘welcome back’ gift, if you would be interested in receiving this please let us know?



If you are simply taking a break, please let us know and we will not bother you again.



Many thanks for your time.



Regards,



CSR Luke

iNetBet Support

Banning me won't bother me, but what is right and what is wrong here? A "welcome back gift" to a returning player. Surely my account closing emails are on file. Surely. It is not worded " We know your account is closed, but welcome back" Make any sense? I requested it? I REQUESTED THEM TO OFFER A CLOSED ACCOUNT A FREE CHIP!

Like I said, I don't miss dealing with CSR's that feel superior to the people that feed them. I don't have anything further to say on this matter, feel free to bash me if you think it will make you look better. I accepted the chip, I played, I lost. Good Times!

Please to not email me or PM me anymore. I wish my Spam filter had caught the other one and I would not be discussing this. That is my only agenda.
 
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I have tried to ignore this thread bashing Inetbet, but there comes a time..................................................
Australia already has a law that is largely inacted that states it is an offence for casino's to sign up players phsyically present in Australia, I have contacted the office overseeing that law and am starting to nominate the casino's that break this law, It may only put some heat on them, but we have to somehow let casino's know their behaviour is unacceptable.

You actually turned an online casino in to the Australia authorities? If I was a casino with you as a customer, I would ban you faster than you can say "I got banned". It is hard enough to get away with playing online without you shining a spotlight on online casinos and turning them in to the authorities.

I just got a reply to my email about how Inet is Fing up their reputation by pissing off their customers. They closed my account because they didn't like what I said. I wasn't abusive to them, just pointed out that F'ing over players with shitty returns is not a long term business model for success. THey responded: "what a nice email to receive. Your language is not going to be tolerated, your account is closed." WELL EXCUSE ME!!! Your shitty, dodgey site will not be tolerated, SCREW YOU INET. Accredited or not, I am not the one to blame here, Inet is with their constant stream of complaints. WHat is the criteria for remaining accredited? or is their any, I have to wonder as it seems player input means nothing to them.

Wow, you are surprised and in denial about how crude and rude you were to them. I would ban your ass permanently, if I was Inetbet.
Isn't it interesting that they chose to be insulted right BEFORE they gave me my manager bonus (from considerable play I might add). Bunch of A-holes. Anyone playing at INETBET is a sucker. Enjoy your losses and then join the rest of us in bashing a now disreputable outfit. Again, just what does accredited mean anymore???

As I see it, you are not only "dissing" Inetbet, you are "dissing" Bryan and Casinomeister.

As many of us have had the very same conclusion of the return with RTG's, we have pretty much given up on trying to get true justice. Little by little more and more players are also finding that the long time concern about RTG and it's ever slipping fairness, will never be satisfactorily addressed.

Sorry, there are what, six or eight posters here, out of all the membership. I would not be surprised if there are some members here that are still having some "luck" at Inetbet. True justice? Ever slipping fairness? According to who?

So why even bother. I personally feel the days of overall fair return to the players as a whole are gone. There will continue to be a small handful that will get lucky, this is no different than putting cheese on the mouse trap, to keep the mice coming back.

If that's your opinion, just say "I quit"!

As it has been said, as long as players keep coming back, even if just rarely, then RTG will never improve, as they don't truly value the players opinions. If they did, then things would not have continued to escalate over the years to what it is today.

The more of us that drop out from this platform, the worse the return will be for those that continue to cling to this sinking ship. Because someone is going to have to pay the bills. So your money if you are still an avid RTG fan will be thier food stamps and the die hard fans will only then understand where we have all been coming from all this time, but it will be to late to turn it around since you didn't support those of us that cried out earlier and our numbers may have made a difference then.

OK, six or eight posting in this thread, where are all the rest of CM members? They aren't even here thanking anyone for their input. Could it be because they are still winning here and there? Cried out for what? That the casino is rigged? Where's the proof that they "turned off the win button" for you few people?

My final thought, then where do we play? Honestly if they all closed down because people are tired of being ripped off, think of how much money you will save not throwing it away at online casinos.
Players not thinking much about it and myself included, have probably already spent many Random Jackpot amounts and for what, to get a Random Jackpot? How dumb can we be, or how dumb do they take us for.

Dumb? That's your definition. I just think anyone who thinks the casinos are rigged, or changing payouts to screw the players, they should just uninstall and quit!

So log on to your banking, open a savings account just for when you want to play, then everytime you are thinking of dropping some money into an RTG casino, put it in the savings account instead. I'm sure that in no time you will see you have created your own Random Jackpot and didn't have to compete with anyone for it, nor watch it go to someone else.

Good idea!!

I just asked them specifically when my account would be reopened (date, time, etc.) they replied that it will be in the next few days. Apparently specific is too big a word for them. Funny that in the past when I bitch about the terrible game play the CSR people are able to comp me within minutes. Now, they seem to be playing some weird power trip game instead of taking care of the issue and shutting me up!! Pride goeth' before the fall I guess Inet. So much for accredited. Anyone from CM want to enlighten us as to why this site is so highly regarded in light of all these issues?? It would be appreciated to know just what makes Inet so special Bryan or Max!?? I think you guys are great, but silence on this thing makes it kind of look like some sort of pay for play on their part. Hope not.

Being accredited does NOT mean they have to put up with e-mails that are crude and abusive. And, I think you ought to hope Bryan and Max aren't paying attention. Once again, you are calling a long time accredited casino out as cheats and thieves. And, to even suggest that Bryan is involved with "some sort of pay for play on their part" is, at the least, highly insulting, if not a banning offense. Lucky for you, Bryan has more patience than I do.

I just got another email from Inetbet wondering what I was talking about as to when my account would be reopened. They responded that I played, I lost and now I am mad. Yes, I played and I lost, and I am mad. I am mad because I played, and played and played and played and played..... and when I lost I asked them about the RTP. THAT MAKES ME A SORE LOSER in their eyes. So, I guess we are suppose to lose and lose and lose and lose and..... and not say a GD word about the shitty results. OK, play this stupid game aimed at morons if you want, those of us here won't buy into your BS much longer. I would say maybe they haven't read this thread, but based on their replies to my emails, it is evident that they have been monitoring this thread. A company concerned with it's image would be reacting in such a way as to repair their image, a company that isn't would respond the exact way that Inet has.This, along with the silence from the owner of this site makes one wonder what is going on. As evidenced by all the complaints, they certainly cannot play the sore loser card, and I can only deduce that all this negative pub has left them without an answer. Pissing off already pissed off customers will not repair your image Inet, time for some humility. You used to be so good!

I really, really find this post to be offensive. If some of you can't find a way to post in a reasonably controlled manner, I would suggest that you stop posting, until you can calm down and not be so repugnant to the other members, and Bryan. To have the nerve to say "Pissing off already pissed off customers will not repair your image Inet, time for some humility", is ludicrous. You all might take your own advice. Humility, never enough to go around!

The only way you all will stop being pissed is when you can play with freebies whenever you ask for them, and always getting decent play time and, last but not least, winning more often. Does that about sum it up?


Your monikor says it all "cant get it right". I never requested them to close my account. They did that all by themselves, so I don't think your critism is warranted. Believe me, I never went begging to them for anything, you are totally out of line on this.

They closed your account because you treated them with absolutely no respect, your swore and were totally obnoxious.


Can't get right, I think we are on the same side with this one, hope so. So EXCUSE YOU too, these folks are on the edge of ROGUE, and we all know it. Once again, where are you CM?????

Once again, six or eight of you complaining. Bryan should put them on his rogue list based on what you all are ranting about in this thread? Please, you are only embarrassing yourselves.

For an extremely long time, forum members, myself included have enjoyed a good rant regarding a platform, RNG, RTP and what have you. But sometimes things can go a bit to far. I see no big thing about having a good rant, but to badger the mods or Bryan into taking action is going a bit far. Also using "colorful" language is one thing, but being downright vulgar is another and many of us don't appreciate it.
As Bryan stated, if we have a real problem then just pm him, but don't try to get him in on a typical rant for public satisfaction, it is uncalled for and none of us expect Bryan or the Mods to fix anything when we are going off on our regularly scheduled rant fest. It was kind of fun to blow off steam, so lets just leave it at that. Besides, no one can make us win or fix it for us, so don't spoil a good rant by forcing the principle to participate.

For Bryan and the Mods, appologies for your time off being so rudely disrupted.

Best post you have made in the recent past, Mavin. :thumbsup:
 
Jod, you seem enraptured with them, doesn't mean everyone is. Unless you are the new Inet rep, I don't see where you have any right to speak for them. Flaming me is a reason to be banned as well! Good luck with your new career!!! That's all I will say on this thread. THE END!
 
Catrina posted the below and I deleted the non relevant information that doesn't pertain to my post/response and.....I guess this is going to get me on the shitz list again, but I gotta say something. :cool:

.......Now its emails telling me I have private messages on casinomeister.
I will address this in public and it will be my last thought on the matter.

I have been to casinomeister forums maybe 3 times in the 10 months or so since I quit handing my money over to casino's. I came back and posted because I thought it odd that inetbet basically spammed me with a free chip offer. There was no mention of re-opening accounts as you can read in my previous post's. It was a polite email but initiated by a casino which was supposed to have the integrity to honor a request to close the account.

Notice you did say it was a polite email but later you call it spam. What:what:...that makes no sense?

Here is what I am supposed to answer:

Re: Your recent post
Hi Catrina,
Thanks for coming back to me but your reply doesn't answer my queries at all.

As per my PM:

1. One of our team contacted you a few weeks back with a polite query.
You replied that you would like to have your account reopened and we applied a free chip. Nobody forced you to reopen the account this was your choice.
We did not just reopen your account on a whim it was requested by YOU in a reply to the mail.
Why would you ask for your account to be reopened and accept a return chip if you felt so strongly about this?

2. You played for some time and had a good return on the chip we credited. Now a few weeks later you seem to want to jump on a bandwagon and post derogatory comments about us. Do you have some hidden agenda here? Why would you post such a thing?

3. Luke was simply sending a courtesy mail to see if you had fun on the free chip. Would common decency not dictate that you reply to the sender of the email asking if they could assist with anything and not post a reply on a message board?
Surely a simply "I had fun on the free chip but I don't want to play any more" would have sufficed.

None of the above has been addressed in your reply to me.

Best Regards
iNetBet Promos


The bold part is what aggravates me. It simply is not true.

I replied simply that if you give me a free chip I will play it. I didn't ask to re-open my account and they never mentioned it being closed. Why did they offer a free chip to someone who has had their account closed almost a year? Doesn't that seem a little spammy?

OK this is the part that gets under my skin. I know I'm going to sound like a smart azz, but you've got to be kidding......you clearly told them you would play the free chip if they gave it to you, so they did......then you are turning around in the same breath and saying you never asked them to reopen your account. H E L L O.......how did you think you were going to play that free chip YOU TOOK???

Again, here are the 2 original emails, The first part is my reply to the email beneath it, where did anyone mention re-opening anything?:

If you give me a free chip I will play it and see.

I have forgotten my password.

Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: iNetBet Support
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:25 AM
Subject: iNetBet - do you require assistance?


Hi Catrina,

I hope this mail finds you well.



As you know, at iNetBet we like to review the accounts of our most valuable players on a regular basis.



We were checking your file recently and we noticed that you have not played for a number of months, I certainly hope this is not the result of any problems or dissatisfaction you may have with the service we have provided? If so, we would really appreciate your feedback.



If you do require some assistance with an aspect of the Casino please contact me directly by responding to this mail and I will look into any issues you may have as a matter of urgency.



I would also like to point out that we are currently offering a free chip for our returning players as a ‘welcome back’ gift, if you would be interested in receiving this please let us know?



If you are simply taking a break, please let us know and we will not bother you again.



Many thanks for your time.



Regards,



CSR Luke

iNetBet Support

Banning me won't bother me, but what is right and what is wrong here?

Like I said, I don't miss dealing with CSR's that feel superior to the people that feed them. I don't have anything further to say on this matter, feel free to bash me if you think it will make you look better. I accepted the chip, I played, I lost. Good Times!

Please to not email me or PM me anymore. I wish my Spam filter had caught the other one and I would not be discussing this. That is my only agenda.
__________________
Catrina

Catrina.......I'm not bashing you but I do call BS on your post. You took the free chip, no one twisted your arm and you know very well that they had to reopen your account to play it....:what: and now you are mad they sent you that PM because you have been bashing them......what the heck did you expect them to say to you? Personally I don't blame them one little bit for sending you that PM and if I were them it wouldn't have been as nice as it was.
 
Yes Jod5413, you have some very valid points, but you do come off like the Housemother chasing the kids with a paddle. Okay, there, that's my flaming towards you.

I know not everyone is going to like what everyone says, no big thing, it happens all the time, we can only work to try and get our point across differently that hopefully will not offend some. Which is harder said than done, but we try.

One of the things I do get uncomfortable with is when we have a rant, naming a casino. To me, knowing what casino has sparked such feelings is not important.
As I have said before, changes are coming from the software providers, not the casinos.

For Catrina, it is very easy to click on "Unsubscribe" when a casino emails you. I have been doing this with each one as they come to my email, one day they will all just be gone. Simple.

Now Jod, dear dear Housemother, I hope this did not get your buns in an uproar. Ooops, sorry, flamming again......:o


p.s. Could you mosey over to this thread, "supreme play", there's a new kid, Goldeye, picking on Rob.
 
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This is baffling. It seems like they do care a lot about what is said in the forum yet they continue to harass their customers with such rude emails. I have a couple of them in my pm archive.

Monday, April 07, 2008 10:44 PM

Please close my account here. I refuse to believe that your game of BJ is fair. Remove me from any promotions and leave me alone. I spend good money and all I asked for is a fair game.

From: [email protected]
To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx
Subject: Close Account
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 23:43:52 +0100


You certainly seem to know a lot.
I would however suggest you take up another pastime as gambling is clearly not working for you.
Your account has been closed

iNetBet Support
Alan
 
Catrina posted the below and I deleted the non relevant information that doesn't pertain to my post/response and.....I guess this is going to get me on the shitz list again, but I gotta say something. :cool:

.......Now its emails telling me I have private messages on casinomeister.
I will address this in public and it will be my last thought on the matter.

I have been to casinomeister forums maybe 3 times in the 10 months or so since I quit handing my money over to casino's. I came back and posted because I thought it odd that inetbet basically spammed me with a free chip offer. There was no mention of re-opening accounts as you can read in my previous post's. It was a polite email but initiated by a casino which was supposed to have the integrity to honor a request to close the account.

Notice you did say it was a polite email but later you call it spam. What:what:...that makes no sense?

Here is what I am supposed to answer:

Re: Your recent post
Hi Catrina,
Thanks for coming back to me but your reply doesn't answer my queries at all.

As per my PM:

1. One of our team contacted you a few weeks back with a polite query.
You replied that you would like to have your account reopened and we applied a free chip. Nobody forced you to reopen the account this was your choice.
We did not just reopen your account on a whim it was requested by YOU in a reply to the mail.
Why would you ask for your account to be reopened and accept a return chip if you felt so strongly about this?

2. You played for some time and had a good return on the chip we credited. Now a few weeks later you seem to want to jump on a bandwagon and post derogatory comments about us. Do you have some hidden agenda here? Why would you post such a thing?

3. Luke was simply sending a courtesy mail to see if you had fun on the free chip. Would common decency not dictate that you reply to the sender of the email asking if they could assist with anything and not post a reply on a message board?
Surely a simply "I had fun on the free chip but I don't want to play any more" would have sufficed.

None of the above has been addressed in your reply to me.

Best Regards
iNetBet Promos


The bold part is what aggravates me. It simply is not true.

I replied simply that if you give me a free chip I will play it. I didn't ask to re-open my account and they never mentioned it being closed. Why did they offer a free chip to someone who has had their account closed almost a year? Doesn't that seem a little spammy?

OK this is the part that gets under my skin. I know I'm going to sound like a smart azz, but you've got to be kidding......you clearly told them you would play the free chip if they gave it to you, so they did......then you are turning around in the same breath and saying you never asked them to reopen your account. H E L L O.......how did you think you were going to play that free chip YOU TOOK???

Again, here are the 2 original emails, The first part is my reply to the email beneath it, where did anyone mention re-opening anything?:

If you give me a free chip I will play it and see.

I have forgotten my password.

Thanks
----- Original Message -----
From: iNetBet Support
To: xxxxxxxxxxxxx
Sent: Wednesday, March 31, 2010 6:25 AM
Subject: iNetBet - do you require assistance?


Hi Catrina,

I hope this mail finds you well.



As you know, at iNetBet we like to review the accounts of our most valuable players on a regular basis.



We were checking your file recently and we noticed that you have not played for a number of months, I certainly hope this is not the result of any problems or dissatisfaction you may have with the service we have provided? If so, we would really appreciate your feedback.



If you do require some assistance with an aspect of the Casino please contact me directly by responding to this mail and I will look into any issues you may have as a matter of urgency.



I would also like to point out that we are currently offering a free chip for our returning players as a ‘welcome back’ gift, if you would be interested in receiving this please let us know?



If you are simply taking a break, please let us know and we will not bother you again.



Many thanks for your time.



Regards,



CSR Luke

iNetBet Support

Banning me won't bother me, but what is right and what is wrong here?

Like I said, I don't miss dealing with CSR's that feel superior to the people that feed them. I don't have anything further to say on this matter, feel free to bash me if you think it will make you look better. I accepted the chip, I played, I lost. Good Times!

Please to not email me or PM me anymore. I wish my Spam filter had caught the other one and I would not be discussing this. That is my only agenda.
__________________
Catrina

Catrina.......I'm not bashing you but I do call BS on your post. You took the free chip, no one twisted your arm and you know very well that they had to reopen your account to play it....:what: and now you are mad they sent you that PM because you have been bashing them......what the heck did you expect them to say to you? Personally I don't blame them one little bit for sending you that PM and if I were them it wouldn't have been as nice as it was.


I guess it wouldn't look the same if I admitted I had a gambling problem. Closed account means do not tempt them back.

I didn't contact them, I just took the bait when it was dangled.

It was wrong. Period.

Polite Query

Is that a new word for what its called?

What are they going to do? Close my account?

I thought that is the way it was.
 
Monday, April 07, 2008 10:44 PM

Please close my account here. I refuse to believe that your game of BJ is fair. Remove me from any promotions and leave me alone. I spend good money and all I asked for is a fair game.

From: [email protected]
To: xxxxxxxxxx@xxxxx
Subject: Close Account
Date: Mon, 7 Apr 2008 23:43:52 +0100


You certainly seem to know a lot.
I would however suggest you take up another pastime as gambling is clearly not working for you.
Your account has been closed

iNetBet Support
Alan

Sounds like Alan had a case of the Mondays...
 
I guess it wouldn't look the same if I admitted I had a gambling problem. Closed account means do not tempt them back.

I didn't contact them, I just took the bait when it was dangled.

It was wrong. Period.

In their defense they had no idea why you closed your account and they would need to have specific information such as you had a gambling problem......if that was the case. I'm sure if someone admits a gambling problem they are going to give them a lifetime exclusion and not be dangling any carrots in front of them. That would be highly unethical and I can't see them doing that.

And........I'm not a shill just in case anyone wants to go there. I seldom play there. :)
 
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In their defense they had no idea why you closed your account and they would need to have specific information such as you had a gambling problem......if that was the case. I'm sure if someone admits a gambling problem they are going to give them a lifetime exclusion and not be dangling any carrots in front of them. That was be highly unethical and I can't see them doing that.

And........I'm not a shill just in case anyone wants to go there. I seldom play there. :)


I have known that about you for a while. Never crossed my mind.

Gambling seems to be about arguing your point to someone. Maybe thats why I left.

You have always made sense to me.
 
Sorry to have to post one last thing here. Bryan, I realize that I got very upset over this whole poor gameplay thing, but why was I banned from the forum when others are saying the same thing? I understand if you don't appreciate me putting it bluntly, but read these posts and tell me I am alone in this frustration. I'm sure the rude remarks by Inet reps are just as bad as anything I have posted, so please try to understand that if I was banned, why aren't the rest of those who have posted negatively?? I don't want anyone to be banned, just don't want to singled out for speaking against Inet who believe it or not, I have liked a lot in the past. Right now there are concerns. Maybe I should have presented my frustration in a more eloquent manner, but as evidenced by all this negative posting, there is something not right (be it perception or reality). Contrary to what JOD says, it is more than just a few of us questioning things these days. Reference all the various RTG issue related threads.

Bryan, it is not my intention to degrade or "flame" this forum. I really appreciate the service you provide to us online gamers. No hard feelings I hope and I will temper my emotions in the future. Thanks
 
I'm going to chime in here on defense for INetBet.

I closed my INetBet account in 2006 and told them my gambling had become compulsive. I don't recall who replied but it was written sincerely and stated that if I ever wanted to reopen my account, to contact them. I never received anything after that email until I reopened my account in 2009. I don't have the compulsiveness I did before.

You closed an account and were probably a good customer. Try to look at it from their perspective. Sometimes that can be hard when emotions are involved...
 
I will read here from time to time but looking up that old thread brought back some unpleasant memories of how casino's really operate. I do not miss it. I just miss the members here so I will try not to be such a stranger.


This is a great forum, always has been. The people here are utterly fantastic. I will be back but not in an arguing capacity.

I am glad to see Kakata back.

I am going to catch up on the webcast's Mr. Casinomeister.
 
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