What happened to the Rushmore Group?

[maxd]

Maybe you consider I was wrong.

I thought I'd made it clear that this was not the place to re-hash that old case again. In any case, he's not alone. You continue to distort the truth of that case for the sake of ... what? Having a cause célèbre?

Here's that situation in the OP's own words (here):

I used a Blackjack and VP bonus code at slotoasis, and won on Roulette. I didnt read the terms, and it was my mistake.

The fact that convenience lead him to change his story later doesn't change the fact that from the get-go he knew he'd screwed up. His case rested solely on his desire that the roulette winnings -- which totally violated the Terms -- should be withdrawn and he should get the rest. A creative interpretation of the Terms seldom yields a supportable case.

 

[Tengil]

I thought I'd made it clear that this was not the place to hash that old case again. In any case, he's not alone. You continue to distort the truth of that case for the sake of ... what? Having a cause célèbre?

Here's that situation in the OP's own words (here):


The fact that convenience lead him to change his story later doesn't change the fact that from the get-go he knew he'd screwed up. His case rested solely on his desire that the roulette winnings -- which totally violated the Terms -- should be withdrawn and he should get the rest. A creative interpretation of the Terms seldom yields a supportable case.

What terms? It didnt count towards wagering requirements but it wasnt a restricted game. Thats the only thing I need to know.

 

[maxd]

What terms? It didnt count towards wagering requirements but it wasnt a restricted game. Thats the only thing I need to know.

Wrong. What you do need to know is that the Terms that were in effect at the time for that bonus specifically stated that the restricted games would be listed in the bonus terms. Roulette, Craps, Baccarat and PaiGow were the listed games, therefore they were the restricted games.

You need to buck up on your knowledge of this case before you make pronouncements about what it was and was not. The bottom line is that the OP in that case tried to claim that the named games were not restricted because of his personal reading of the Terms text, and that was __after__ he admitted that he had not read the Terms and had screwed up. Virtually no one agreed with him then about his creative interpretation of the Terms and neither did we.

That case is done, your objections have been noted, and now it's time to cease with the bogus posts about it, especially in other non-related threads. Please note that Bryan closed the original thread and you need to respect that.

What you are doing is intentionally continuing to post lies and distortions of what that case was and why it was concluded the way it was. That's being a troll and we have Forum Rules applicable to such things.

 

[Tengil]

Wrong. What you do need to know is that the Terms that were in effect at the time for that bonus specifically named Roulette, Craps, Baccarat and PaiGow as being restricted games.

You need to buck up on your knowledge of this case before you make pronouncements about what it was and was not. The bottom line is that the OP in that case tried to build a case out of the claim that the named games were not restricted because of his personal reading of the Terms text. Virtually no one agreed with him and neither did we. That case is done, your objections have been noted, and now it's time to cease with the bullshit posts about it, especially in other non-related threads.

What you are doing is intentionally continuing to post lies and distortions of what that case was and why it was concluded the way it was. That's being a troll and we have Forum Rules applicable to such things.

Their terms when uungy played:
Bets placed in Roulette, Craps, Baccarat, Bingo and Paigow Poker do not fulfill players obligations towards wagering requirements.

Wagering on restricted games does not count towards the fulfillment of the wagering requirements and winnings from rounds played on restricted games before meeting the wagering requirements will be removed at the time of a cash-out request.

Wagering on restricted games may void all winnings won on this promotion.

There were no mentions anywhere what games were restricted. They of course changed the terms after the incident..

 

[Nifty29]

Sorry Max - didnt mean to feed the troll.....

 

[Pinababy69]

What terms? It didnt count towards wagering requirements but it wasnt a restricted game. Thats the only thing I need to know.

Sorry Spider, much as I hate the Rushmore Group and think they should be avoided.....I'm with Max and Nifty on this one.

IIRC, the terms also stated that any winnings from disallowed games would be removed...something like that? His INITIAL winnings came from roulette did they not? Without those winnings, he would not have had the bankroll to continue to play and amass a larger bankroll. Fruit of the poisoned tree, or the like. He even admitted that he "dipped into the roulette winnings" to play further.

Uungy is a well known advantage player (which is fine btw)....but I don't believe for one second, he didn't know exactly what he was doing. Win that one big bet in roulette, then play out the WR on allowed games. Again, nothing wrong with that if it's allowed...but IMO, in this case, it definitely wasn't.

Without even reading so much as one word on any page containing the T&C's, I would never redeem a coupon titled "Blackjack/VP Bonus" and then proceed to play any game BUT, I don't know........blackjack and or VP? Why redeem a blackjack/VP bonus and then play roulette? We all know why.

Sorry Max, just wanted to add my two cents....but won't comment further. As stated, it's old, over and done with IMO.

 

[Tengil]

Ok, my last post on this thread. Roulette was not a restricted game at the time uungy played. So no winnings to remove.

Sorry Max - didnt mean to feed the troll.....

And Im sorry for feeding the toolbox

 

[maxd]

Ok, my last post on this thread.

Insofar as your derail for Uungy, excellent! I hope you won't mind if I hold you to that.

Roulette was not a restricted game at the time uungy played. So no winnings to remove.

And my last word on this (hopefully): wrong. Individual interpretation and selective reading of the rules aside (as in you and Uungy), Roulette was a restricted game so the Terms were applicable, hence our decision on the case.

 

[all4greed]

Congrats with the win!
No WR, its immediately withdrawable if you want.
There's been said alot about Rushmore, but their freeroll tourneys are superb!


Never came close to the topspots, but the plan is to win the tourney coming weekend.

Think it was 44th place ($30). Won another time - around $40 but spent it on other games.

Would have easily been in the top 10 in the bonus (3x) when I hit 3 wilds, the 4th wild came down, popped back up (of course) and the 5th wild hit.

Five wilds would have been sweet. Did that once before on a bonus, screenshot posted awhile back.

 

[Nifty29]

Think it was 44th place ($30). Won another time - around $40 but spent it on other games.

Would have easily been in the top 10 in the bonus (3x) when I hit 3 wilds, the 4th wild came down, popped back up (of course) and the 5th wild hit.

Five wilds would have been sweet. Did that once before on a bonus, screenshot posted awhile back.

Do they still have payment issues, or is everything OK now?

I got a nice bonus offer from them and was giving it some thought. Personally, I have never had a problem with them at all.

 

[stevohhh]

@nifty

I don't think they have payment issues...except that it takes more than 24 hours to payout (like 2 days-ish to pay to QT)

lol I've been super tempted to play that columbus day bonus but now its too late in my mind...in the event of a cashout I can't wait through the weekend

 

[all4greed]

Do they still have payment issues, or is everything OK now?

I got a nice bonus offer from them and was giving it some thought. Personally, I have never had a problem with them at all.

I have no idea if they have any payment issues. Only play the weekly free tourney and haven't won enough to bother with a withdrawal.

 

[cheetahwind]

Last I read from people, most of the payment issues were cleared up, but the new rules caused some issues. Like if you paid in with quicktender, you had to withdraw via quicktender. If you paid in via credit card you had to a take a check or a wire transfer. You couldn't even withdrawal to an eWallet. Which to me with some of the problems with certain foreign checks these days. I really like being able to withdraw into an eWallet. That was my only problem with the new style of rules.
But this supposedly cleared up a lot of the payment issues. The last and only withdrawal I had took almost 4 weeks, and this was via wire transfer. So for now I've crossed them off of my list of playable places. Just because more than likely I'd deposit by credit card, and then have to probably wait a while again. For wire or even worse a check.

 

[sticaz]

trouble login @ rushmore....anyone?

 

[cricket1544]

I cashed out for the first time at Cherry Red last week. I received an e-mail saying it would take 6-10 days for my wire transfer. I received it in 2 days.

My only complaint would be that I wasn't aware that if you deposit with a credit card you can't withdraw to your e-wallet.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Well I had a great run of luck with rushmore over the weekend taking advantage of their `columbus week` promotion. I have hopefully a nice withdrawal pending, providing they dont try and play funny buggers in any way which im sure they wont with me depositing via neteller.

 

[reda]

let us know how your withdrawl goes as i have quit playing there since they were not accredited anymore. i had played there faithfully every weekend for months before they messed up.

 

[sticaz]

Well I had a great run of luck with rushmore over the weekend taking advantage of their `columbus week` promotion. I have hopefully a nice withdrawal pending, providing they dont try and play funny buggers in any way which im sure they wont with me depositing via neteller.

I hope the same....
They do NOT accept withdraw to QT if u deposit with a cc ..
although Ive used qt in past.!!!!!!!!!!my withdraw is stil pending since friday
They returned it to my balance without any email whatsoever

 

[just play]

I hope the same....
They do NOT accept withdraw to QT if u deposit with a cc ..
although Ive used qt in past.!!!!!!!!!!my withdraw is stil pending since friday
They returned it to my balance without any email whatsoever

So how do they expect you to withdrawal?

Don't they have live chat?

Boy am I glad I haven't played at one of their casinos in a while.

 

[funeral979]

I hope the same....
They do NOT accept withdraw to QT if u deposit with a cc ..
although Ive used qt in past.!!!!!!!!!!my withdraw is stil pending since friday
They returned it to my balance without any email whatsoever

I found out about this the hard way too.

I had made about 10 deposits in the course of two weeks via quicktender. Then I deposited with my Netspend card as my quicktender was empty at the moment. I happened to win on the card deposit...and made my withdrawal as usual. After the 48 hour pending cycle was up I got an email stating I could not withdraw to quicktender as that wasn't my method of deposit....and therefore my withdrawal was returned and I was asked to resubmit my withdrawal and select wire transfer. Boy was I pissed!!

I explained to chat that the majority of my deposits were via quicktender. They wouldn't budge. I asked for an exception as I have been a regular player for 3 years, depositing several times weekly.....and I didn't want to pay the wire fees. Too bad so sad....they wouldn't budge.

Of course I was paid....but their wires take forever.

 

[reda]

let us know how your withdrawl goes as i have quit playing there since they were not accredited anymore. i had played there faithfully every weekend for months before they messed up.

 

[sticaz]

I was forced to use "wire transfer" and pay 25 bux in fees over a cashout of 205.
net 180.
wont be back

 

[cricket1544]

My wire transfer was for $1,434. Cherry Red did not charge me any fees.
My bank charged me $10 .

I think I read somewhere that you get one wire transfer a month with no fee.

I know that they are no longer accredited but I still feel comfortable as Louise is still here and responding to e-mail.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Cashout request and approved from Rushmore in 28 hours straight to my Neteller account as requested.

Had a great weekends entertaining fun there, loads of bonus and free spins round before cashing out over 25 x my deposit amount.

No hassles here from Rushmore, documents approved straight away. Now if only i can get hit one of their mega nice randoms lol Will defo play again

 

[sticaz]

My wire transfer was for $1,434. Cherry Red did not charge me any fees.
My bank charged me $10 .

I think I read somewhere that you get one wire transfer a month with no fee.

I know that they are no longer accredited but I still feel comfortable as Louise is still here and responding to e-mail.

Mine was under 250 that's why I do pay fees