Watch my stats drop - Gambling Wages

[zebedy]

Maybe we would all be better off if the whole Virtual Group just disappeared. Yup 2010 and we still have long time Rogue Programs running around like little kids in a playground. Years of bitching and complaining perhaps something more aggressive is called for.

greek39

Look what you affiliates achieved with Grand Prive by putting all that work into blacklisting them you actually got them back into talks, just think what you could achieve if all you affiliates put your heads together and decided to do something about GW and the likes. some already do blacklist them but until all affiliates unite nothing will ever happen

 

[Simmo!]

Isn't that an oxymoron there?

No personal digs please

IMO, if the affiliate still has an open account there, then they are in fact supporting this group by accepting their money.

That's the bit I disagree with. IMO they are "supporting" the group if they are sending them business or reviewing them positively.

 

[RobWin]

Isn't that an oxymoron there?

No personal digs please

LOL Simmo, I will take note of your cruel kindness suggestion there...

That's the bit I disagree with. IMO they are "supporting" the group if they are sending them business or reviewing them positively.

Yea, we will just have to agree to disagree on that one fer sure...

I do think we have both made good and valid arguments though for both viewpoints..
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[dominique]

Look what you affiliates achieved with Grand Prive by putting all that work into blacklisting them you actually got them back into talks, just think what you could achieve if all you affiliates put your heads together and decided to do something about GW and the likes. some already do blacklist them but until all affiliates unite nothing will ever happen

They are widely blacklisted...

One issue is that getting ALL affiliates to agree on anything is like herding feral cats.

Another reason that the grand prive blacklist worked better than many others (and it didn't work as extensively as you think, grand prive made deals with their best affiliates and moved them to the aff program of Villa Fortuna, so they would not lose their promotion there) is that it warned off a lot of affiliates via google (try googling Grand prive).

Since affiliates depend on the industry for their food and rent payments, they are quick to heed a warning.

Unfortunately warning players off is not as successful, for some reason a good number of players heed no warnings and play there anyway, probably because of the huge bonuses.

I think the original purpose of this thread was to warn affiliates off Gambling Wages by demonstrating that earnings disappear into thin air.

 

[RobWin]

I think the original purpose of this thread was to warn affiliates off Gambling Wages by demonstrating that earnings disappear into thin air.

But that has not actually been demonstrated yet though!
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[dominique]

Not in this thread or situation. But affiliate forums have dozens of examples posted.

 

[KasinoKing]

WATCH MY STATS DROP!​

OK, the end of the month has been & gone - what did your stats drop to pleeeeze?

KK

 

[Casinomeister]

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Surely there is one amongst you that is willing to step forward and address this...where the heck is the owner of this site (Meisterman Himself) in this important discussion here? It would be beneficial I think to hear Bryans views on this as well, IMO...

My avatar hasn't changed for a reason...it's still the winter lull for me. It's the time for me to catch up on a number of domestic projects (like clearing out and reorganizing the cellar - and partying )

But back to this topic. Casinomeister hosts a rogue section - this rogue section includes casinos that range from being unethical to having crap service - from spammers to sloppy clip shot joints. One person's rogue may be not so rogue in another's eyes.

We also have a section outlining Casinomeister's philosophy and mission, and a section for webmasters/affiliates to absorb some guidelines and tips.

That saying - I leave it up to the webmaster to use their own discretion on how to deal with this. If they have a listing - where all casinos - even the roguish ones are listed, I would hope that they would include a disclaimer and a dead link. Or perhaps link the URL to some other place like

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There are creative ways to deal with this without compromising one's integrity.

On the topic of not being able to kill aff links because one's site is too big, I don't buy this - it'd take only a few searches in Homesite and you'll find your links. The same goes for vBulletin. It shouldn't take one more than an hour. Don't be a sloppy webmaster.

If the affiliate program went bust, would you search for these links as well? You're losing traffic when you don't - treat this the same way.

When Kiwi casino went rogue a year or two ago, it took me five minutes to kill the URLs - and they had been listed on this site since 2000.

Webmasters need to school one another on the levels of rogueness. We can suggest to each other on how to deal with this, but I don't think we should be dictating ethics or standards on other webmasters. We should be schooling them and persuade them to advertise responsibly.

I can understand people being reluctant on shutting off a program that may be putting bread on the table, but you know the saying "don't place your eggs all in one basket." There are plenty of really good programs out there - these are the ones that deserve to be promoted.

As for no nominations here - I forgot to add the forum ID number to the database I'll get to that now.

 

[Webzcas]

On the topic of not being able to kill aff links because one's site is too big, I don't buy this - it'd take only a few searches in Homesite and you'll find your links. The same goes for vBulletin. It shouldn't take one more than an hour. Don't be a sloppy webmaster.

Actually whilst this should be the case, I have a site, that has several thousand pages which are static html pages. The links of which are individual to each page

Major bummer but true. So to remove a casino link, means manually editing all the pages they appear on.

Put it this way, I am never building a site this way ever again

 

[Simmo!]

..plus if you utilise external news or RSS feeds as many sites do, you might be inadvertantly bringing in, or have bought in previously, links to dodgy places or places that, later on, go rogue.

 

[luckydabberbingo]

Actually whilst this should be the case, I have a site, that has several thousand pages which are static html pages. The links of which are individual to each page

Major bummer but true. So to remove a casino link, means manually editing all the pages they appear on.

Put it this way, I am never building a site this way ever again

I have html pages with few thousand pages ,I use the find replace tool(do find all option then type in what you want to find) and can remove thousand of links at once in a few seconds.There are other nifty tools to do this ,some for free

 

[dominique]

On the topic of not being able to kill aff links because one's site is too big, I don't buy this - it'd take only a few searches in Homesite and you'll find your links. The same goes for vBulletin. It shouldn't take one more than an hour. Don't be a sloppy webmaster

With thousands of pages and some older than the hills, this doesn't work.

We have been converting pages for over a year now, and managing the links on the converted pages in a central location which will solve the issue. But we still have a ways to go to capture the entire site.

That said, we have painstakingly done things manually when links are removed in the non-converted section and I haven't seen anything missed so far.

Re. gambling wages and affiliates, have a look at this person's statistics:

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[Webzcas]

I have html pages with few thousand pages ,I use the find replace tool(do find all option then type in what you want to find) and can remove thousand of links at once in a few seconds.There are other nifty tools to do this ,some for free

LOL - Been in IT for some 15+ years and a full time webmaster for 5, yet I learn something everyday - Or a case of being stoopid.

Thanks CBG

 

[greek39]

Been in cyber land since the late 70s webmastering is a part time job. My full time work involves the internet and has for the last 25 years minus 5. The fact is removing links from site DOES NOT mean they no longer exist. The pages and referral links linger across the web, message boards, types of media, various search engines, cache versions, scrapped sites, Google adword buffs, porn sites etc for months if not years.

And unfortunately this is a fact. Hence the unexplainable fact removing referral links from site does not equal no more hits from the rogue program, why some are reluctant to close their accounts down, and why quite frankly there is no easy kill switch.

Although I have closed several accounts down over the years I know for FACT these programs are generating income from my dead URLs and account.

Now the intent of this thread created by daera subject: Watch my stats drop - Gambling Wages

The link Dominique posted

For me, I don't watch my stats anymore because it's sickening. There was a thread running here but it must have been deleted; it said that only "legitimate" claims get responded to at Gambling Wages. Maybe someone here can legitimize how its possible that with deposits in the 10-30k range per month, I cant break the 1k threshold (like 1 month). In fact, my earnings are usually wiped out by months end.
Source:

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Now it does appear this is not so isolated. Go spit venom on this member as well and the thousands of others who toy with Gambling Wages.

greek39

 

[Simmo!]

Another reason why using a redirect script is so much better. Any traces you leave will still go centrally so one simple change will cover everything ancient and new, wherever it can be found on the Interweb

 

[dominique]

Thats what we are implementing now and almost done....

 

[dominique]

Now it does appear this is not so isolated.
greek39

It's not isolated at all and you will find plenty other threads with screenshots there, including the one the author couldn't find again, and still newbies fall into the trap.

Sometimes you can warn people all you want and it falls on deaf ears.

Like I always say, if they screw players they screw affiliates and vice versa.

 

[Casinomeister]

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Re. gambling wages and affiliates, have a look at this person's statistics:

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Sheesh! Makes me wonder why I even have a rogue section here at Casinomeister.

 

[dominique]

You can lead a horse to water, but you cannot make him drink....

all we can do is make noise and show things to folks.

 

[RobWin]

Re. gambling wages and affiliates, have a look at this person's statistics:

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LOL, and the best part of his/her

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is the fact that they were not concerned in the least with whether or not their players were getting paid or not but rather the almighty affiliate dollar...classic!!

"I should have done more research on who we promoted. To be fair though we really only started to promote them in March 2007 and stopped about a year later because of too many backpayments".

No wonder so many of you choose not to close your affiliate accounts there. If you did that then who would we have to make great posts like this one here and that one there...lol!
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[Webzcas]

Another reason why using a redirect script is so much better. Any traces you leave will still go centrally so one simple change will cover everything ancient and new, wherever it can be found on the Interweb

Thankfully I use this method on my other sites - Actually it is your redirect script lol

 

[Webzcas]

Now it does appear this is not so isolated. Go spit venom on this member as well and the thousands of others who toy with Gambling Wages.

Unfortunately this is true, as many affiliates still put their interests first in front of the players who by and large put their trust in affiliate sites. Even though the Virtual Casino Group have one of the worst reputations in the entire online gambling industry.

As Bryan stated

Sheesh! Makes me wonder why I even have a rogue section here at Casinomeister.

Either affiliates who promote Gambling Wages are blind to what is going around them in the industry they work in ( Then surely they should not be a gambling affiliate ) - Or the power of the almighty $ makes them conveniently disregard the widespread negative information concerning Gambling Wages and their brands.

 

[Simmo!]

Or the power of the almighty $ makes them conveniently disregard the widespread negative information concerning Gambling Wages and their brands.

That would be a bit ironic really - if you promote a group that doesn't pay the players they're clearly gonna shaft the affiliates too

I think it's simply that a lot of affiliates simply can't be arsed to spend time doing their research. Affiliate-dom is a low barriers to entry domain and it's only natural that a large proportion will do it by trial and error initially.

 

[RobWin]

OK, the end of the month has been & gone - what did your stats drop to pleeeeze?

KK

I see Daera never bothered to come back to this thread or the other two exact same ones that she created at GPWA and AGD to let everyone know whether or not she ever got her big payment from these blood sucking a$$holes.
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