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daera

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WATCH MY STATS DROP!

I titled this thread "Watch my stats drop" because that is what I predict will happen. It is now December 29th, 2009. 8:07am PST.

Here are my current months stats at Gambling Wages for Cool Cat Casino.

I plan on taking a screenshot many times over the next few days, until December stats close. We've all heard affiliates complain that their earnings are wiped out at the end of the month by credits/bonuses etc. Let's just see what happens as it gets down to the wire.

Shall we take bets on what will happen
to my earnings between now and the end of December 2009?​



As a disclaimer... we do not promote these casinos. There has never been a banner that I know of for these casinos up at our site. However........... because we run a forum that is mostly based on the newest no deposit casino bonuses, and other casino bonuses, we encourage our members to share offers they find elsewhere that our members might also be eligible for.

Of course we have members that post free chip codes for Gambling Wages casinos as well as all other casinos. We don't tell members what casinos they can post about. But we do try and always post under any post for a Gambling Wages Casino (or any rogue casino) to the effect of "Please only use this coupon like fun money/fun play. We don't recommend depositing here and would suggest you use your hard earned money that you decide to deposit with for a more reputable casino like iNetBet, Club World, Casino 33, Mainstreet, etc."

We also have all these casinos listed in our Rogue Casino area. But affiliate links are linked in some places where the casinos are mentioned, therefore we have picked up some players over the years.​
 
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RobWin

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WATCH MY STATS DROP!

I titled this thread "Watch my stats drop" because that is what I predict will happen. It is now December 29th, 2009. 8:07am PST.

Here are my current months stats at Gambling Wages for Cool Cat Casino.

I plan on taking a screenshot many times over the next few days, until December stats close. We've all heard affiliates complain that their earnings are wiped out at the end of the month by credits/bonuses etc. Let's just see what happens as it gets down to the wire.

Shall we take bets on what will happen
to my earnings between now and the end of December 2009?​



As a disclaimer... we do not promote these casinos. There has never been a banner that I know of for these casinos up at our site. However........... because we run a forum that is mostly based on the newest no deposit casino bonuses, and other casino bonuses, we encourage our members to share offers they find elsewhere that our members might also be eligible for.

Of course we have members that post free chip codes for Gambling Wages casinos as well as all other casinos. We don't tell members what casinos they can post about. But we do try and always post under any post for a Gambling Wages Casino (or any rogue casino) to the effect of "Please only use this coupon like fun money/fun play. We don't recommend depositing here and would suggest you use your hard earned money that you decide to deposit with for a more reputable casino like iNetBet, Club World, Casino 33, Mainstreet, etc."

We also have all these casinos listed in our Rogue Casino area. But affiliate links are linked in some places where the casinos are mentioned, therefore we have picked up some players over the years.​

WTF Daera!! In the highlighted red "Disclaimer" above you say you do not promote these rogue casinos but yet at the end of your post here you state "But affiliate links are linked in some places where the casinos are mentioned"...so how the hell did that just mysteriously happen when you are clearly an affiliate there?

You've had to of also signed up to be an affiliate there as well, since you are clearly showing everyone a pic of your stats from the affiliate client...are you shitting us here or what?

Jeeze, I never thought you would actually promote this rogue ass bunch of shitty casino sites!!

Sure you can say that you don't promote them but if you just have one affiliate link linked to them then lets not f*cking kid each other here ok...you are clearly promoting them..:rolleyes:

And now your main worry seems to be that you will get screwed out of that $21K commission check...I guess some can be bought, huh?:thumbsup:
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I didn't really understand this from "suzecat" of all people either...as much as you have been adamant about people promoting Gambling Wages Casinos and the utter disdain you have had for that type of behavior, or you either Laurie...what was your reasoning behind thanking that post if you don't mind me asking.

I mean, are you condoning the fact that Daera is in fact promoting these rogue ass casinos or the fact that she actually admitted to promoting them or do you guys just simply not truly understand what that post was all about? :what:

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daera

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Jeeze, I never thought you would actually promote this rogue ass bunch of shitty casino sites!!

Sure you can say that you don't promote them but if you just have one affiliate link linked to them then lets not f*cking kid each other here ok...you are clearly promoting them..:rolleyes:

And now your main worry seems to be that you will get screwed out of that $21K commission check...I guess some can be bought, huh?:thumbsup:

My posts often are not as clear as I'd like them to be. I apologize for that.

These are a bunch of shitty casino sites. The worst!!

If you look at the stats, you'll see there's only 7 Click Thru's. 7 Clicks in a month is not what you see in stats that we are promoting, or should I say... we clearly are not putting out anything positive about these casinos, or making it seem like these casinos are a place that we would play at.. nor do we lead our members to believe that they should deposit and play at these crap casinos.

This isn't an account we make money from. I know it might appear that way by the large earnings amount.

This isn't about me being worried about getting screwed out of a $21k commission check. I can assure you that I have not even a twinkle of hope for that. I'm not that stupid! There's no way in hell these people would pay me or anyone else that, especially not someone who doesn't bring in players or revenue.

To be honest, this is one of very few months ever that I showed new depositors. That's pretty much a fluke. And the amount of money shown in earnings isn't because I make money from these people on a regular basis, because don't. They send me $20 here and $60 there, that's about it.

I don't know exactly what happened yet. But these stats aren't normal for us at all. Usually there's not much activity deposit/earnings or new player wise. That's a fact. But from the looks of last month, I'm guessing someone won big from a Real Series Random Jackpot or something. So last month had a lot of negative activity, whereas normally there would not be much at all. Last month ended in a big negative.

For what seems like forever now, affiliates complain about GamblingWages wiping out their earnings at the end of the month with bonuses etc. It never really affected me. But of course I'm aware of their dirty bonus practices. I thought it would be interesting to see how they explain things and how they finish this month. They sure as hell aren't going to pay me or anyone else this kind of money.... especially when it's a fluke situation that seemed to occur because of a winner that won at the end of last month and the whole no negative carryover situation.

Anyway... please feel free to go through our history at the forum at our current forum and the old one on Yuku.. if you think we're pushing players to play here. We're not. Simple as that. Never have, never will.
 

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My posts often are not as clear as I'd like them to be. I apologize for that.

These are a bunch of shitty casino sites. The worst!!

If you look at the stats, you'll see there's only 7 Click Thru's. 7 Clicks in a month is not what you see in stats that we are promoting, or should I say... we clearly are not putting out anything positive about these casinos, or making it seem like these casinos are a place that we would play at.. nor do we lead our members to believe that they should deposit and play at these crap casinos.

This isn't an account we make money from. I know it might appear that way by the large earnings amount.

This isn't about me being worried about getting screwed out of a $21k commission check. I can assure you that I have not even a twinkle of hope for that. I'm not that stupid! There's no way in hell these people would pay me or anyone else that, especially not someone who doesn't bring in players or revenue.

To be honest, this is one of very few months ever that I showed new depositors. That's pretty much a fluke. And the amount of money shown in earnings isn't because I make money from these people on a regular basis, because don't. They send me $20 here and $60 there, that's about it.

I don't know exactly what happened yet. But these stats aren't normal for us at all. Usually there's not much activity deposit/earnings or new player wise. That's a fact. But from the looks of last month, I'm guessing someone won big from a Real Series Random Jackpot or something. So last month had a lot of negative activity, whereas normally there would not be much at all. Last month ended in a big negative.

For what seems like forever now, affiliates complain about GamblingWages wiping out their earnings at the end of the month with bonuses etc. It never really affected me. But of course I'm aware of their dirty bonus practices. I thought it would be interesting to see how they explain things and how they finish this month. They sure as hell aren't going to pay me or anyone else this kind of money.... especially when it's a fluke situation that seemed to occur because of a winner that won at the end of last month and the whole no negative carryover situation.

Anyway... please feel free to go through our history at the forum at our current forum and the old one on Yuku.. if you think we're pushing players to play here. We're not. Simple as that. Never have, never will.

Where the hell is the "shaking head" icon Max and I have been wanting?

Lori, Lori, Lori...I have to say girl, I am so disappointed in you here. I know that that probably don't mean a damn thing or even a hill of beans to you but Jesus Christ Lori!!! :rolleyes:

When the hell did you even sign-up to be an affiliate there and the more important question is WHY??

You say and it also shows in the pic that there have only been 7 click thrus for the month of Dec., but yet for the entire year you have had 2171 click thrus and 1810 downloaders!! And that is just for Cool Cat, not counting all of their other shitty casinos.

Has it really gotten that hard to make an honest living as an affiliate promoting the good programs that what were once great affiliates IMO are now in fact moving over to the dark side of the industry??

As far as whether or not the stats will drop by the end of the month, I truly hope the hell that they do! Any affiliate willing to promote this rogue ass bunch of casinos, even if it is only one live link...needs to be screwed out of their commission from Gambling Wages IMO!

Again I ask...WTF Lori???????????? :what::rolleyes:
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daera

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Where the hell is the "shaking head" icon Max and I have been wanting?

Lori, Lori, Lori...I have to say girl, I am so disappointed in you here. I know that that probably don't mean a damn thing or even a hill of beans to you but Jesus Christ Lori!!! :rolleyes:

When the hell did you even sign-up to be an affiliate there and the more important question is WHY??

You say and it also shows in the pic that there have only been 7 click thrus for the month of Dec., but yet for the entire year you have had 2171 click thrus and 1810 downloaders!! And that is just for Cool Cat, not counting all of their other shitty casinos.

Has it really gotten that hard to make an honest living as an affiliate promoting the good programs that what were once great affiliates IMO are now in fact moving over to the dark side of the industry??

As far as whether or not the stats will drop by the end of the month, I truly hope the hell that they do! Any affiliate willing to promote this rogue ass bunch of casinos, even if it is only one live link...needs to be screwed out of their commission from Gambling Wages IMO!

Again I ask...WTF Lori???????????? :what::rolleyes:
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Robwin,

First, I don't appreciate you using my real name repeatedly when I myself am not. My forum name is "Daera".

The "but yet for the entire year you have had 2171 click thrus and 1810 downloaders!! And that is just for Cool Cat, not counting all of their other shitty casinos." that you speak of is not for the entire year. It's for summary to date. That means since the beginning of time! Meaning since I first opened this account which was many years ago. I don't know why you'd think I just opened this account. You know I'm not new to this stuff. This account has been around a long time.
 

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Robwin,

First, I don't appreciate you using my real name repeatedly when I myself am not. My forum name is "Daera".

LOL...you might want to edit your real name out of that pic above then! ;)

The "but yet for the entire year you have had 2171 click thrus and 1810 downloaders!! And that is just for Cool Cat, not counting all of their other shitty casinos." that you speak of is not for the entire year. It's for summary to date. That means since the beginning of time! Meaning since I first opened this account which was many years ago. I don't know why you'd think I just opened this account. You know I'm not new to this stuff. This account has been around a long time.

Whatever, this year...lifetime...like it really f*cking matters!

One more time and then I give up...

WHY??

Why, do you still have live links to these casinos on your site and available for your forum members to click on?

By the way, you did manage to send GW $2,150 for the month of Dec., now didn't you..:)
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When the hell did you even sign-up to be an affiliate there and the more important question is WHY??

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I am signed up there too. I signed up many years ago, and back then I didn't know s#!t from shinola and signed up for everything I came across.

My account has always been "dormant", and I have a lot of dormant accounts at all kinds of places. Unless they got deleted, aff programs clean up their database sometimes.

In any case, I think the intent of the post is to show how that casino group doesn't pay affiliates either, and the point of it is to deter affiliates from sending players to these places.

And that is a good thing, imo. So I think we should let Daera make that point as public as can be.

It is interesting to see how the math at that place just doesn't add up. And how any earnings disappear just before each month ends. No one in their right mind promotes that.

I am afraid though that the experiment won't work in this case, because of all the publicity, and Daera will actually have a positive balance at the end of the month. We'll see.

Still, I have seen many, many screenshots over time showing how earnings get wiped out at the end of the month.

Look at the huge numbers there - new and ignorant affiliates will be salivating to promote this - until they realize that month after month there are no actual earnings.
 

daera

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LOL...you might want to edit your real name out of that pic above then! ;)

I don't know why you think any of this is funny. But thanks for pointing out about the image. I didn't even realize that til you pointed it out. I'll see what I can do to fix that.
 

daera

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LOL...you might want to edit your real name out of that pic above then! ;)



Whatever, this year...lifetime...like it really f*cking matters!

One more time and then I give up...

WHY??

Why, do you still have live links to these casinos on your site and available for your forum members to click on?

By the way, you did manage to send GW $2,150 for the month of Dec., now didn't you..:)
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Why don't you show me exactly which LIVE links you're referring to and I'll explain them one by one.
 

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I don't know why you think any of this is funny. But thanks for pointing out about the image. I didn't even realize that til you pointed it out. I'll see what I can do to fix that.

Don't be silly, the bulk of this is certainly not funny. The funny part was that you were chastising me for using your real first name when it was you in fact that had left your entire name in the pic above...that's all...:)

Seriously Daera, if you truly are not attempting or trying to promote these casinos then I do hope that you will remove all of their live links from your forum site. If it is like you say, that you never really promoted them too much, then it should not be that hard to remove those few links...correct? ;)
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RobWin

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Why don't you show me exactly which LIVE links you're referring to and I'll explain them one by one.

Daera, if you didn't have live links somewhere on your site then you wouldn't have any new click thrus in your affiliate account there, now would you?

How do you explain new click thrus and downloaders if you don't have any live links??
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daera

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Daera, if you didn't have live links somewhere on your site then you wouldn't have any new click thrus in your affiliate account there, now would you?

How do you explain new click thrus and downloaders if you don't have any live links??
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I never said I didn't have any live links or do have any. I don't pay that much attention to these guys. I'm sure there are *some* links out there somewhere. Over all the years and a forum that has been on several different urls. God knows where to find exactly each place my affiliate tag could be right now. :(

Heck, I could have a link from our old Yuku board from even years ago that would still be available if someone happened to come up with the right page in a search result. Considering our forum started in 2000, and was originally on Ezboard and then to a few other Ezboard servers, and finally then to a Yuku domain name... and then finally we started anew on the url we're at now.. I would say YES it could be very difficult to find any and every link that could possibly be out there over the years. You're the one making the issue of me promoting them... so please show me where I'm doing that and I'll either remove it or explain it.

I said this month showing 2 depositors is really a fluke.

I received an email from Vipin shortly after posting this. He says I only have 2 depositing players in December. Actually, his email did not make a lot of sense to me.
 

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Ok, I thought a while before posting this because I know it sounds stupid, but it's true and so I'll say it.

I have never found a decent explanation for this - although two do come to mind.

Repeatedly, after I pulled all links to a casino ( and checked and double checked) I would still record clicks in the program's statistics and on occasion even sign ups. For quite some time, like a year later still.

There seems to be no rhyme or reason for it. Possibly people click on cached pages, or possibly it's the program's way to try to entice you back into being productive for them....

I'm not saying that this is what happened to Daera, she may well have old links in old forum posts that are just buried and someone pulled them up.

Look at the numbers, 7 clicks and 9 downloads, total deposits $2150 and profit to casino 135,510. How does that happen?
 

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I never said I didn't have any live links or do have any. I don't pay that much attention to these guys. I'm sure there are *some* links out there somewhere. Over all the years and a forum that has been on several different urls. God knows where to find exactly each place my affiliate tag could be right now. :(

Heck, I could have a link from our old Yuku board from even years ago that would still be available if someone happened to come up with the right page in a search result. Considering our forum started in 2000, and was originally on Ezboard and then to a few other Ezboard servers, and finally then to a Yuku domain name... and then finally we started anew on the url we're at now.. I would say YES it could be very difficult to find any and every link that could possibly be out there over the years. You're the one making the issue of me promoting them... so please show me where I'm doing that and I'll either remove it or explain it.

I said this month showing 2 depositors is really a fluke.

I received an email from Vipin shortly after posting this. He says I only have 2 depositing players in December. Actually, his email did not make a lot of sense to me.

Explain it? What is there to explain...you obviously don't care enough yourself to seek out those still active links and kill them, so why the hell should I care...it's your business if you want to keep promoting these rogue casinos, whether you are doing it actively or inactively...doesn't matter!

The fact is, you are still sending players there to make deposits whether you are willing to admit that or not...how else would $2,150 show up in your affiliate stats there as new deposits?

And it may only be (2) depositors like it shows but (1) depositor there is (1) too many IMO!

Just ask your affiliate manager where the click-thrus came from. They can see those links on their end...I do know that for a fact. That would be the first step I would take to kill them.

Why have you not closed this affiliate account yet if like you say, you are no longer promoting them?

Are you willing to accept that $21K affiliate check if it does make it to the end of the month? That's the question...actually never mind on that one...that is none of my damn business like most of this thread here is...:rolleyes:
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daera

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I probably should have included my November stats in my first post. Anyway, here they are. This shows a more complete picture of what probably happened to create the unbalanced looking Dec. stats.

 

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Look at the numbers, 7 clicks and 9 downloads, total deposits $2150 and profit to casino 135,510. How does that happen?

That happens at rogue casino sites like this because they have their RTP ratio set so high and with the bonus monies on top of that it makes it easy to win big there and run your balance sky high. The average player is able to wager far more at these rogue sites that they ever could at a legitimate casino site because of the RTP settings.

I know because I played at those and got burned several times over the years and in the past when I had my head up my a$$ and didn't know any better.

They know they are not going to pay the player out their winnings that are lucky enough to win...so it does not matter how high the player runs their balance up there as far as wagering goes.
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Hi All,

I've just stumbled in on this one. I must admit its a shock :eek:

Laying cards on the table I find it hard to believe that this wasn't an issue whether you got paid or not Daera.

Why would you make such a post and statements in BIG Black Writing if it wasn't :confused:

I'll surmise the disclaimer was applied because you knew you shouldn't be promoting such rogue casinos.

What I find extremely disturbing it's your forum. But you permit people to post bonus codes to these clip joints. Knowing full well they are the lowest of the low. Worse you've admitted to editing these links and add your aff tags :rolleyes:

If it was me I'd be banning these links and casinos from every being posted to my forum again. But it's your place and you can do what you want.

However making a post like this here and your going to get jumped on by integrity driven webmasters, it's as simple as that.


Cheers

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daera

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Hi All,

I've just stumbled in on this one. I must admit its a shock :eek:

Laying cards on the table I find it hard to believe that this wasn't an issue whether you got paid or not Daera.

Why would you make such a post and statements in BIG Black Writing if it wasn't :confused:

I'll surmise the disclaimer was applied because you knew you shouldn't be promoting such rogue casinos.

What I find extremely disturbing it's your forum. But you permit people to post bonus codes to these clip joints. Knowing full well they are the lowest of the low. Worse you've admitted to editing these links and add your aff tags :rolleyes:

If it was me I'd be banning these links and casinos from every being posted to my forum again. But it's your place and you can do what you want.

However making a post like this here and your going to get jumped on by integrity driven webmasters, it's as simple as that.


Cheers

Dave

Perhaps my posting skills have much to be desired since I definitely didn't get the message across that I was trying to.

I admitted to having links where they were because I wasn't trying to hide anything. I'm not currently actively putting links for these guys out. But I wanted to be honest about how I ever got any players over the past years. I guess I didn't have to admit that, but I'm not trying to be dishonest here about anything.

I have the best of intentions, but definitely have made my share of mistakes along the way, and make mistakes everyday. I'm constantly learning as I go. Because i didn't know everything on day one, doesn't make me less integrity driven.

I think GW and these casinos are total crap. I never say otherwise. I don't really communicate with them. This is an account I've had for over 4 years. I have lots of dormant accounts that I've signed up for at some point.

I don't know what I said to make anyone think I felt anything different than all of you do about these casinos.

I was hoping to point out and share what rogue casinos/affiliate programs in action.

If a player did win over $35k or whatever they won in November........ and now December is over and my account went from positive, to a big negative, back to positive just this month, because the player is STILL playing their winnings a month later.... that goes to show that Coolcat Casino is most likely playing games and prolonging that players cashouts to the point that they keep playing. It seems to me that what the casino is doing is making sure they don't have to pay the player for a big win, or an affiliate (whether it's me or someone else is not the point).

I guess I just wanted to document rogue in rogue action here. I didn't expect to be attacked or deemed as a GW-Lover or a webmaster with less integrity. Maybe so if I posted above in the player section. But I thought amonst my peers in the webmaster area you'd clearly see that 9 click throughs in a month from an account that's been open for years does not mean I'm actively promoting this clip joint.
 

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I guess I just wanted to document rogue in rogue action here. I didn't expect to be attacked or deemed as a GW-Lover or a webmaster with less integrity. Maybe so if I posted above in the player section. But I thought amonst my peers in the webmaster area you'd clearly see that 9 click throughs in a month from an account that's been open for years does not mean I'm actively promoting this clip joint.

Now you are starting to sound like John w/Rockbet about being attacked :rolleyes:...no one is attacking you here...I for one am just totally floored with this new revelation you have just released here today...that's all...just simply trying to make some sense of it all...

OK, so if you really want to split hairs here then fine...you are not actively promoting them but you are in fact
inactively still promoting them
...would you not at least agree with that fact?
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