Question Video Slot Odds. Win/Loss Ratio

[Frenzal]

I started playing Stash of the Titans a Microgaming game and let's say I was up quite convincingly at the time. I spun at the very least 23 times with zero return whatsoever and at least 35 spins with a return of 0.72c. I have screen shots of it. Can someone please tell me if this falls within the parameters of the win/loss ratio?


Also I told the casino through live help who denied such things can happen and all of a sudden I won a fair amount of the lowest bet per coin size but when I put in a larger bet it ceased to win for some time until I decided it's time to log out and see if it changes the next day and then cashed out because I was under the impression they had set the entire video slot games to some sort of money recovering setting.

 

[randomiam]

its in the normal ratio

i had rubs on net ent and microgaming software or 20 spins and nothing before even had runs of 1000 spins with no feature
but other times ive had 10 wins in a row and 5 features in 100 spins trick is if its not paying reload the game and you will have a new session.

 

[Frenzal]

i had rubs on net ent and microgaming software or 20 spins and nothing before even had runs of 1000 spins with no feature
but other times ive had 10 wins in a row and 5 features in 100 spins trick is if its not paying reload the game and you will have a new session.

Thanks, so have I. Also my Microgaming games always start where I left off from my last session although I did try that a few times logging right out of the casino and back in which gave me maybe up to 10 spins of seemingly fair play and then it would go back to very high loss rate again on all the games I was playing around that log in session.

 

[KasinoKing]

With MG software, every spin is random and independent of anything that has gone on in the past.
If you don't believe that, then you'd better ask Dunover for one of his special hats, or quit gambling.

With any random game, long runs of crap can, will and do happen. But so can a series of great wins - that's what makes slots so exciting to play.

KK

 

[Frenzal]

With MG software, every spin is random and independent of anything that has gone on in the past.
If you don't believe that, then you'd better ask Dunover for one of his special hats, or quit gambling.

With any random game, long runs of crap can, will and do happen. But so can a series of great wins - that's what makes slots so exciting to play.

KK

Okay so if it is completely random how come so many people notice patterns of winning and losing within sessions of random games played. Also the impression I get is that when you change your bet to the higher side of the coin size when you're on a losing streak it seems to never win no matter how many different games you try during the streak.
I believe if you play these online casinos long enough and you say you never notice any patterns of winning or losing you're either not on the level or somehow involved with profiting from them other ways than gambling.
I can't trust your word KasinoKing because you're advertising within this thread for your webpage which has advertising of casinos on it the same as I don't trust casinomeister.
No offence to anyone because business is business so I'll derive my trust in the people who seemingly have no affiliation to any casino except as a player or probably whistle blowers so to speak if they're out there.

I'm just saying that's all.

 

[Jono777]

What KK says is spot on!

I've being playing various casinos, various providers (software) for a long time, win loss runs can happen in days, weeks, even months.

What doesn't help matters is when the losing streak becomes a 'lengthy' one as players we all totally forget about the 'good times'

Nothing is rigged it is way too closely monitored by 3rd parties and is just luck.

Yes there are patterns galore I've noticed and I could even tell you on odd occasions what's gonna happen before the spin completes and even the reel layouts of my favourite games etc

CM is also an excellent source of information and there is no cause for you 'not to trust them' at all, its the casinos your depositing into, not CM

I'm on a very bad run atm but I know it will change, just have to take the rough with the smooth

Hang on in there.....

 

[mattsgame]

Okay so if it is completely random how come so many people notice patterns of winning and losing within sessions of random games played. Also the impression I get is that when you change your bet to the higher side of the coin size when you're on a losing streak it seems to never win no matter how many different games you try during the streak.
I believe if you play these online casinos long enough and you say you never notice any patterns of winning or losing you're either not on the level or somehow involved with profiting from them other ways than gambling.
I can't trust your word KasinoKing because you're advertising within this thread for your webpage which has advertising of casinos on it the same as I don't trust casinomeister.
No offence to anyone because business is business so I'll derive my trust in the people who seemingly have no affiliation to any casino except as a player or probably whistle blowers so to speak if they're out there.

I'm just saying that's all.

If this is the way you want to think or perceive what is happening, why bother playing? Patterns can form in any number of random events in anything let alone just gambling. Every individual spin you make is independent of the next, there are no gremlins switching buttons on you.


Anyway, cannot believe how many people you have insulted in a couple of paragraphs.

 

[dunover]

Okay so if it is completely random how come so many people notice patterns of winning and losing within sessions of random games played. Also the impression I get is that when you change your bet to the higher side of the coin size when you're on a losing streak it seems to never win no matter how many different games you try during the streak.
I believe if you play these online casinos long enough and you say you never notice any patterns of winning or losing you're either not on the level or somehow involved with profiting from them other ways than gambling.
I can't trust your word KasinoKing because you're advertising within this thread for your webpage which has advertising of casinos on it the same as I don't trust casinomeister.
No offence to anyone because business is business so I'll derive my trust in the people who seemingly have no affiliation to any casino except as a player or probably whistle blowers so to speak if they're out there.

I'm just saying that's all.

Patterns of winning and losing are noticed and as KK said can, will and DO happen - because the games are random, not in spite of the fact they are random.
If you raise your bet during a losing streak you'll just lose faster probably, and it won't affect the RNG outcome. Contrary to what you say, there are many tales of people hitting max bet by mistake and getting a large win - last time I did this was on TSII and was playing 60p. entered the game again and hit spacebar (£3 spin) and got a £112 wildstorm...

What the hell has the fact that KK and CM advertise casinos got to do with this rant?? Yes, they get paid for sign-ups but that's as far as it goes - neither KK or Bryan are software developers and have NO influence on any games at any of the sites they advertise! Do your homework, and you'll see there are independent software/integrity testers that analyse games and Licensing Authorities (Including the UKGC) will not permit unfair, bent or uncertified games!
If KK and Bryan had the slightest doubt about any site/software they will boot it off immediately they become aware of the fact, and have done in the past.
This site absolutely battered a casino for having dodgy software recently (look up 'Spielo') so your assumptions and allegations hold no water.
P.S. I am NOT an affiliate and am not linked to any casinos.....

 

[Frenzal]

Patterns of winning and losing are noticed and as KK said can, will and DO happen - because the games are random, not in spite of the fact they are random.
If you raise your bet during a losing streak you'll just lose faster probably, and it won't affect the RNG outcome. Contrary to what you say, there are many tales of people hitting max bet by mistake and getting a large win - last time I did this was on TSII and was playing 60p. entered the game again and hit spacebar (£3 spin) and got a £112 wildstorm...

What the hell has the fact that KK and CM advertise casinos got to do with this rant?? Yes, they get paid for sign-ups but that's as far as it goes - neither KK or Bryan are software developers and have NO influence on any games at any of the sites they advertise! Do your homework, and you'll see there are independent software/integrity testers that analyse games and Licensing Authorities (Including the UKGC) will not permit unfair, bent or uncertified games!
If KK and Bryan had the slightest doubt about any site/software they will boot it off immediately they become aware of the fact, and have done in the past.
This site absolutely battered a casino for having dodgy software recently (look up 'Spielo') so your assumptions and allegations hold no water.
P.S. I am NOT an affiliate and am not linked to any casinos.....

That might be the case but how can I know for sure?

 

[Frenzal]

Look guys I'm not going to argue with you. I haven't been insulting to anyone!
If you take it as an insult well that's your problem not mine.

Also if I'm using a particular sites forums it's only because I personally feel they're probably reputable.
Like I said in the post above there is no way for me to know for sure.

 

[Jono777]

Oh dear!

Down the slippery slope we head again.

There is a place for this sort of thing its called Facebook!!

If you want help with online casinos / games etc, then this is the place but be prepared the response is not always going to be what you want to see.

The knowledgeable and experienced members on here will bend over backwards to help us out, but if we 'don't want to listen' then the fault then lies at our own door.

I'm one of these 'lucky sods' who hit 'max bet' accidentally 2 or 3 times and benefited big time, the best was a £6 spin on Lord of the Rings slot which paid nearly £500 when I'd being playing all afternoon at minimum bets on every game I'd tried. Cash out received no problem too

 

[AntiWiFi_RF_783]

31 consecutive dead spins

My record for dead spins on any slot is 31 consecutive dead spins on Tunzamunni, that has to be a world record. Best on Tunzamunni was 5 consecutive winning spins.

 

[Frenzal]

Lol.... OMG I'm just flipping the coin here. I pulled $4800 from I think $200 deposit at most from that particular session. So I'm far from having a cry
I've got my answer. I'm content.

 

[funnymunny]

That might be the case but how can I know for sure?

The only way to know for sure is to have total access to all software used to program both the game(s), and the RNG(s), as well as having an outstanding understanding of both maths, and software programming. As it's incredibly unlikely you will get the access, you will have to take other peoples word for it. If you cannot do this, then I'd suggest that perhaps gambling (especially slot play) is not for you.

One of the down-sides of being human, is our intelligence - in order to try to make sense of random events, our brains try to spot patterns and trends. Unfortunately, this means we can very often over-think things & make problems where there aren't any. Try standing on any street & watch traffic - you may see 3 red cars coming in quick succession, then see none at all in the next 100 cars that pass you. If the next time you see a red car, it again is closely followed by another, does this mean red cars are only driven in packs? Of course not, but our brain may interpret the limited information it now has about the frequency of red cars in that way. (Perhaps this is a REALLY bad example / way of trying to explain it, but I hope you get what I mean).

I am one of the fortunate(?) ones who works (predominantly in the B2B side) in the online gambling industry, I gamble, and have posted many winning screenshots on this site (from both land-based and online slots). There are also many others in the same situation as me both here, and on other sites. Now I appreciate you'll have to take my word for it, but I (and others like me) would have to be all kinds of stupid to partake in this form of entertainment if we thought anything untoward was happening.

Not sure of this helps, but thought I'd add my 2c


Edit to add: Seems we posted updates at the same time. Congrats on your win

 

[dunover]

That might be the case but how can I know for sure?

You'll just have to trust people who've been here years and are known to each other. If you can't then there's really no point in you posting here if you are too insecure or paranoid to take what we say at face value. In fact, why don't you actually check out the facts in my last reply to you and then if I've told the truth maybe you can start trusting what I and others have said.......

 

[dunover]

The only way to know for sure is to have total access to all software used to program both the game(s), and the RNG(s), as well as having an outstanding understanding of both maths, and software programming. As it's incredibly unlikely you will get the access, you will have to take other peoples word for it. If you cannot do this, then I'd suggest that perhaps gambling (especially slot play) is not for you.

One of the down-sides of being human, is our intelligence - in order to try to make sense of random events, our brains try to spot patterns and trends. Unfortunately, this means we can very often over-think things & make problems where there aren't any. Try standing on any street & watch traffic - you may see 3 red cars coming in quick succession, then see none at all in the next 100 cars that pass you. If the next time you see a red car, it again is closely followed by another, does this mean red cars are only driven in packs? Of course not, but our brain may interpret the limited information it now has about the frequency of red cars in that way. (Perhaps this is a REALLY bad example / way of trying to explain it, but I hope you get what I mean).

I am one of the fortunate(?) ones who works (predominantly in the B2B side) in the online gambling industry, I gamble, and have posted many winning screenshots on this site (from both land-based and online slots). There are also many others in the same situation as me both here, and on other sites. Now I appreciate you'll have to take my word for it, but I (and others like me) would have to be all kinds of stupid to partake in this form of entertainment if we thought anything untoward was happening.

Not sure of this helps, but thought I'd add my 2c


Edit to add: Seems we posted updates at the same time. Congrats on your win

Now we know where Prince (latterly known as 'artist named squiggle') got his inspiration for his 'Little Red Corvette' hit. Perhaps he saw 2 on the same street having not seen one for months.

The OP obviously had the benefit of 'the little man who turns the pay-out dial' it seems.

 

[suzecat]

This thread was headed for the chit pit, and surprisingly it turned around. What are the chances of that? Would I form my own opinion, read the thread and assume that CM is busy at the controls and typing furiously, or figure the long term posters know what they are talking about?

Tin Foil Hat or none, if you need to know "for sure," when you die maybe the Angels will tell you. It is called Heavenly craps and it works as well as anything else. Personally, I believe in luck.

 

[KasinoKing]

Anyway, cannot believe how many people you have insulted in a couple of paragraphs.

Just for the record, I wasn't insulted at all by the OP's comments.
We all have different opinions and of course it's natural for us all to be sceptical about the games we play when things aren't going the way we'd like them to.

I didn't trust online slots myself either when I started playing them back in 2004; up to that point I had only been used to playing UK Fruit Machines (FAR too much!) and so was expecting online slots to be the same sort of non-random crap as them. It was mostly the wonderful other members here at CasinoMeister who taught me most of what I now know about slot machines.

What the OP may also not know, is that I have been an online casino player myself since 2001 (table games only for the first 3 or so years), and the reason I initially made my own website, was not to make money from it, but to help my fellow players find the best bonuses and the best casinos to play at, based on my years of personal experience.

KK