US political crisis

[dealer wins]

Just want to point out there is no such thing as a "trans" person.

You cannot change sex/gender from that what you were born, its biologically impossible. XX XY

Anyone who says you can is wrong, anyone that thinks they have is mentally ill, and anyone doing surgery on people is breaking their medical oath to do no harm.

 

[geordiecolin]

I agree with he doesnt have to out debate her. All he has to do is call out her policies like Tulsi did. She destroyed her.

One single policy can be your downfall.

She is on video stating and laughing she wants to jail parents if their kids miss school.

Aside from that, she is VP of a president who has been a disaster. Wars, inflation, open borders, riots, attacks on police etc.

He just needs to stick to the basics, not interrupt, not overly insult her and it should be pretty easy. Americans are pretty tired in general of this mess so shouldnt be too hard if Trumpy can keep his rhetoric down

Tulsi left her gasping like a stranded flounder.

 

[goatwack]

HE IS RISEN!

 

[Kroffe]

Wait....Kroffe hasnt transitioned? I always assumed he did. Huh..learn something everyday!

She*

 

[pinnit2014]

HE IS RISEN!

I told her, the instructions says give it 30mins to 1hr

 

[geordiecolin]

HE IS RISEN!

Without the aid of any medical interventions

 

[lockinlove]

She*

Im sorry

 

[Kroffe]

Geordies back!

 

[geordiecolin]

Just want to point out there is no such thing as a "trans" person.

You cannot change sex/gender from that what you were born, its biologically impossible. XX XY

Anyone who says you can is wrong, anyone that thinks they have is mentally ill, and anyone doing surgery on people is breaking their medical oath to do no harm.

What I find amusing is that it is the same people who struggle to answer what is a women that want people to vote for someone because she is a women

 

[Kroffe]

Im sorry

Its ok, sometimes i try to practice what i preach.

 

[goatwack]

Enough of the pleasantries already.

Can't we all just get along with calling each other names again?

What is wrong with people!

 

[geordiecolin]

Enough of the pleasantries already.

Can't we all just get along with calling each other names again?

What is wrong with people!

Ok you sporney eyed parrot faced wazzock

 

[lockinlove]

Enough of the pleasantries already.

Can't we all just get along with calling each other names again?

What is wrong with people!

Im not allowed

 

[geordiecolin]

I can't see the young in America voting for living in their parents back room for the next 4 years or more.

Starter homes now cost $1 MILLION DOLLARS in over 200 cities after nearly 4 years of disastrous Biden/Harris Democrat policies!!In 2019, under the Trump administration, the most expensive starter homes were in Washington DC at $335,700 down to $42,300 in WV.

 

[DreamRJ]

@Casinomeister I totally agree my posts have been antagonistic, aggressive and probably broke forum rules a few times.

Every few years I need a good blow up. I work in a high stress job and see what left policies have done to little kids as I work with them in hospitals. i cant do this in public or at work so Ive used your forum to go after the types who have supported such horrific policies. I knew beforehand what I was doing and have been surprised at how lenient you have been as I have clearly thrown some grenades in here. I totally admit it.

I am not sure if you read this post before you wrote to me but as you can see this post is directly insulting forum members. Saying we are dumb, vile, fucked in the head and sick.

He then openly suggested Im homophobic and continued on stating in a round about way, we are racists.

So while my post was inflammatory and antagonizing, I was responding to an extremely antagonizing post myself.

If I was a mod id probably kick us both out of the thread for a few days and probably infract us tbh. Clean it up abit. Up to you of course but just felt the need to address this as I was a bit surprised you addressed my post and not his.

I also apologise if what I said was antagonising as well. I will add though I was not calling everyone in this forum who support far right populist politicians fucked in the head, far from it, I was merely saying it to make a bad point I probably should have found less antagonising words though. So again I am sorry.

I am just very passionate about politics and I care a lot and it makes me angry when I see far righters take over and think their views are far more important than anyone in the centre or the left.

I will try and be more polite in how I express myself though from now on.

One final point though the far right are far worse with that type of antagonising posts though. Especially when they bring race and sexual orientation into the conversation........... For a start those 2 subjects should never even be brought into the conversation or used in a racist or homophobic way but hey they still do it any chance they get.

Final part - I appreciate that the staff and mods allow politics chat and are pretty chill with it, I used to use Digital Spy for politics chat years ago until they decided to ban politics discussions altogether. So I never take for granted that CM allow it. I also hope CM do not ban the topic too. Freedom of speech is what matters banning a certain topic is not the way to go.

So thank you CM for allowing it, I hope the new owners do not ban it though (fingers crossed)

 

[sufferinsilence]

I can't see the young in America voting for living in their parents back room for the next 4 years or more.

Starter homes now cost $1 MILLION DOLLARS in over 200 cities after nearly 4 years of disastrous Biden/Harris Democrat policies!!In 2019, under the Trump administration, the most expensive starter homes were in Washington DC at $335,700 down to $42,300 in WV.

I'm sure you can still buy a nice trailer in states like West Virginia or Alabama for an affordable price...

 

[geordiecolin]

This is what happens when democrat base follows along like sheep instead of holding their party accountable. The average non political person looks at this mess and is in dire need to get rid of it.

Crazy gas prices, crazy sex policies aimed at children, insane trans policies that allow schools not to inform parents. Gay parades with naked men peeing on each other and giving each others bjs right out in public.

Ridiculous high crime rate. Allowing criminals to steal stuff under $1000. Ridiculous grocery prices, crazy housing prices.

Open borders which is causing violence, theft, sexual assaults etc.

Pro anti semitic rhetoric. Allowing people to target jews, jewish business and neighborhoods with both violence and vandelism

The average person simply wont put up with it and when they look at Trump when he was in office. Any wars? Any inflation? Low gas prices on and on we go.

Its a very easy choice for many and the democratic voters, instead of speaking out against it, they get behind it. YEAH YEAH fuk the jews! Or they just pretend nothing is happening and make excuses for it.

Like are you crazy?

It is not just children effected by gender affirming healthcare. This person is going through hell

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[goatwack]

As the hit-pieces start in earnest, the focus has begun shifting on Kamala Harris' less than agreeable governance of her staff, especially her self-proclaimed 'Momala' moniker.

The non-partisan Open The Books has revealed a near-92% staff turnover since 2021, with many staff either having been fired, or just quitting outright, shedding some light on her leadership.

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'It's clear [with Harris] that you're not working with somebody who is willing to do the prep and the work,' one ex-aide said. 'With Kamala you have to put up with a constant amount of soul-destroying criticism and also her own lack of confidence. So you're constantly sort of propping up a bully and it's not really clear why.'

I doubt these accounts paint the full picture, and it may well be resentful ex-employees airing their grievances at a particularly 'timely' juncture....yet seeing these snippets in the election run-up certainly puts an interesting spin on things!

 

[DreamRJ]

Well I just came across something I find very alarming. The supreme court has ruled that basically any crimes a sitting president commits while in office means he will not be prosecuted for them and is immune.

The reason the republican led supreme court justices made this ruling was for the 34 charges that Trump was convicted on and the court has been waiting before sentencing for appeals etc.

So I think it is obvious what has happened the trump cult has been contacting the judges and getting them to make a statement and do a ruling to try get the 34 convictions dropped. (Failed miserably) Mainly because the crimes took place before he was president so that ruling does not stand so now the sentencing of Donald Trump will take place on 18th September.

So basically if Trump wins in November it is basically giving him the go ahead to be a criminal while in office and he will get away with it all. So those other court cases that was about the insurrection means the new ruling from the supreme court should mean that will or should be dropped! Disgraceful!

Again this is exactly why American democracy is corrupted. NO ONE is above the law even the president. Same can be said in the UK as well. The royal family should also not be above the law either. I mean look what has happened with Prince Andrew, all those allegations he then settled out of court etc.

Everything about all of this makes me puke. No one should be above the law full stop!

 

[lockinlove]

You should be just as upset about Biden not being criminally charged then. Because he should be. There is pretty clear cut evidence from the oversight committee where he directly lied about his business dealings. He lied about the hunter laptop crap and everything else. Not only did he lie he double downed.

I dont think a US president should be charged while holding office unless its some pretty serious crimes.

Politically motived agencies will just arrest any president they dont like.

 

[lockinlove]

It is not just children effected by gender affirming healthcare. This person is going through hell

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Yeah this is the stuff Im talking about. Instead of getting people the mental help they need, for some strange reason they just give the go ahead. "Ya good for you! Go do it!"

Months later. Suicide. Regret. Depression. Physical pain.

 

[geordiecolin]

Yeah this is the stuff Im talking about. Instead of getting people the mental help they need, for some strange reason they just give the go ahead. "Ya good for you! Go do it!"

Months later. Suicide. Regret. Depression. Physical pain.

Yeah. One of my sisters is lesbian and she tells me that a large % of her friends and the LGBTQ community are against the trend promoting child sexualisation, mutilation and displays in public. The olympics last night shows us how much of it is being pushed by our governments and the media. And judging by most peoples reactions on social media it seems that most people are getting really fed up of it

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Democracy is overrated anyway, I guess.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Democracy is overrated anyway, I guess.

I'll never understand why he appeals to Christians. He went and had sex with another woman while his wife had just given birth to his youngest child. Other than that he must've violated at least 5 of the other 10 Commandments

 

[geordiecolin]

Democracy is overrated anyway, I guess.

Sounds very dictatorshippy to me. But in reality I doubt he would even want to see out 4 years never mind more at his age. He was more likely looking for votes from those who never vote. Kamala will have a field day with this though.

 

[geordiecolin]

I'll never understand why he appeals to Christians. He went and had sex with another woman while his wife had just given birth to his youngest child. Other than that he must've violated at least 5 of the other 10 Commandments

Prince Charlie broke many of his yet he became king,married Camilla in church and made her queen yet there was zero comment on it in the media. In fact they lauded them

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sounds very dictatorshippy to me. But in reality I doubt he would even want to see out 4 years never mind more at his age. He was more likely looking for votes from those who never vote. Kamala will have a field day with this though.

The guy is literally telling everyone that his big plan is to bring what is understood as the current system of democracy in America to an end. You don't even have to read between the lines, the exact words coming out of his mouth tell you the whole plan.

Trump said he'd be a 'dictator for a day', we already know that he admires dictators and autocrats around the world and has something of a disdain for democracies, does anyone really think he'd stop at a day, he's already said the 'I'd be a dictator' bit.

For me that's a bit of a red flag, y'know, 'I'll be a dictator'. I don't have to make anything up, there's a video of him saying it.

 

[geordiecolin]

The guy is literally telling everyone that his big plan is to bring what is understood as the current system of democracy in America to an end. You don't even have to read between the lines, the exact words coming out of his mouth tell you the whole plan.

Trump said he'd be a 'dictator for a day', we already know that he admires dictators and autocrats around the world and has something of a disdain for democracies, does anyone really think he'd stop at a day, he's already said the 'I'd be a dictator' bit.

For me that's a bit of a red flag, y'know, 'I'll be a dictator'. I don't have to make anything up, there's a video of him saying it.

I think that it is all political theatre. Both sides are just 2 cheeks of the same arse.

 

[itsme123]

Prince Charlie broke many of his yet he became king,married Camilla in church and made her queen yet there was zero comment on it in the media. In fact they lauded them

Nonsense, Diana had the media eating out of her hands and Charles was pilloried for years by the red top media. It’s only been in the last 5-10 years that the media has shown a more common sense approach to what happened between Charles and Diana.
And to try and compare that to Trump screwing a porn star the day his son is born….

 

[geordiecolin]

Nonsense, Diana had the media eating out of her hands and Charles was pilloried for years by the red top media. It’s only been in the last 5-10 years that the media has shown a more common sense approach to what happened between Charles and Diana.
And to try and compare that to Trump screwing a porn star the day his son is born….

I agree that the media controlled the narrative about the royals -that was what sold newspapers back then. Today their funding does not come mostly from sales but from who funds them

 

[mack341]

The guy is literally telling everyone that his big plan is to bring what is understood as the current system of democracy in America to an end. You don't even have to read between the lines, the exact words coming out of his mouth tell you the whole plan.

Trump said he'd be a 'dictator for a day', we already know that he admires dictators and autocrats around the world and has something of a disdain for democracies, does anyone really think he'd stop at a day, he's already said the 'I'd be a dictator' bit.

For me that's a bit of a red flag, y'know, 'I'll be a dictator'. I don't have to make anything up, there's a video of him saying it.

Is that really how you've interpreted that clip?

Surely he's just boasting that he's going to run things so well and fix all the problems, that they can stay at home next time?

 

[itsme123]

Is that really how you've interpreted that clip?

Surely he's just boasting that he's going to run things so well and fix all the problems, that they can stay at home next time?

How does the statement " they can stay at home next time" make any sense whatsoever in terms of voting? Are you trying to say Trump is telling his base not to bother coming out to vote in the 2028 election?
Your interpretation is probably one of the most blinkered statements I have seen, how can he possibly, in any reality, be telling his base to stay at home? That is just lame, and just making excuses for another example of Trump speaking before he thinks.

 

[mack341]

I still can't believe that stormy Daniels story, he could get with any VIP hooker or companion for the night, planned and arranged for him.

But instead he meets this pornstar at a golf exhibition, and can't resist, and then has his slippery lawyer pay her off. There's no planning to it, the repercussions - pornstars do stuff for money, they're hardly likely to be discreet, and have no reputation to protect.

Just reading the wiki and it comes across like a bad scene from these movies (which I've erm heard people talk about)

"Daniels said, most recently under oath, that after briefly meeting Trump in 2006, she was invited to dinner and to meet him at his hotel room.[8] Daniels testified that Trump asked her many questions about her life, and at some point Daniels said she'd grown up poor.[8] Trump also allegedly asked wide-ranging questions about the business model of pornographic video production, including but not limited to details about condom use and testing for sexually transmitted diseases.[8] Daniels also said Trump talked about making Daniels a guest on The Apprentice.[9][10] Daniels testified that she thought they would be going to a restaurant, and eventually used the bathroom in Trump's hotel room, but upon re-emerging was surprised to find Trump stripped to his underwear sitting on the bed."

 

[geordiecolin]

I still can't believe that stormy Daniels story, he could get with any VIP hooker or companion for the night, planned and arranged for him.

But instead he meets this pornstar at a golf exhibition, and can't resist, and then has his slippery lawyer pay her off. There's no planning to it, the repercussions - pornstars do stuff for money, they're hardly likely to be discreet, and have no reputation to protect.

Just reading the wiki and it comes across like a bad scene from these movies (which I've erm heard people talk about)

"Daniels said, most recently under oath, that after briefly meeting Trump in 2006, she was invited to dinner and to meet him at his hotel room.[8] Daniels testified that Trump asked her many questions about her life, and at some point Daniels said she'd grown up poor.[8] Trump also allegedly asked wide-ranging questions about the business model of pornographic video production, including but not limited to details about condom use and testing for sexually transmitted diseases.[8] Daniels also said Trump talked about making Daniels a guest on The Apprentice.[9][10] Daniels testified that she thought they would be going to a restaurant, and eventually used the bathroom in Trump's hotel room, but upon re-emerging was surprised to find Trump stripped to his underwear sitting on the bed."

FFS I'm eating my cornflakes Mack

 

[mack341]

How does the statement " they can stay at home next time" make any sense whatsoever in terms of voting? Are you trying to say Trump is telling his base not to bother coming out to vote in the 2028 election?
Your interpretation is probably one of the most blinkered statements I have seen, how can he possibly, in any reality, be telling his base to stay at home? That is just lame, and just making excuses for another example of Trump speaking before he thinks.

They won't be his base, he won't be running in 28, it'll be some lame rino up against newsom.

He's clearly trying to make a joke in that clip, so it doesn't come across like vote begging, just make this one effort and I'll be so good you won't have to next time.

I think your/chopley's interpretation that it's a stated intention to remove democracy and install a Trump dictatorship is a bit far-fetched to say the least!

 

[geordiecolin]

They won't be his base, he won't be running in 28, it'll be some lame rino up against newsom.

He's clearly trying to make a joke in that clip, so it doesn't come across like vote begging, just make this one effort and I'll be so good you won't have to next time.

I think your/chopley's interpretation that it's a stated intention to remove democracy and install a Trump dictatorship is a bit far-fetched to say the least!

It is just another example of Trump not doing himself any favours, but that's why he build such a fan base

 

[mack341]

It is just another example of Trump not doing himself any favours, but that's why he build such a fan base

Yeah definitely a case of foot in mouth syndrome, giving opponents all the ammunition they need.

 

[goatwack]

Some pretty zany interpretations out there from the Trump detractors, and their inability to not take everything he says completely literal

Don will don his favourite dictator garb for 24 hours, from his vast array, then close the borders and get workers to drill oil. He'll be doing this in haste, after which he'll neatly put his uniform away!

I think he also said they (the Dems, for clarity) would likely have car users use windmills on their cars in another comment......which is of course flippin' ridiculous. You can't fit a windmill to a car!!

Bigot!!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Yeah definitely a case of foot in mouth syndrome, giving opponents all the ammunition they need.

Maybe he could not do the bit where he says the words 'I'll be a dictator', that might be a start.

Or not instigating a riot at the Capitol where his mob set up a gallows to hang Mike Pence. That'd be good too.

The amount of stuff people are prepared to handwave away when it comes to the deeply dangerous, narcissistic, sociopath Trump is genuinely jaw-dropping.

One of the most telling things for me is the sheer number of lifelong Republicans who've actually worked with him, and got to know him, who say with absolute clarity that the man represents a clear and present danger to democracy in the United States and he should never get anywhere near the levers of power ever again.

 

[mack341]

Maybe he could not do the bit where he says the words 'I'll be a dictator', that might be a start.

Or not instigating a riot at the Capitol where his mob set up a gallows to hang Mike Pence. That'd be good too.

The amount of stuff people are prepared to handwave away when it comes to the deeply dangerous, narcissistic, sociopath Trump is genuinely jaw-dropping.

One of the most telling things for me is the sheer number of lifelong Republicans who've actually worked with him, and got to know him, who say with absolute clarity that the man represents a clear and present danger to democracy in the United States and he should never get anywhere near the levers of power ever again.

So in his 1st term what did he do with the levers of power, that's in line with your description of him as 'deeply dangerous'.

Can you point to a few things, things that went beyond any previous president's actions?

(Clearly not including covid, where iirc you wanted greater restrictions on freedoms)

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So in his 1st term what did he do with the levers of power, that's in line with your description of him as 'deeply dangerous'.

Can you point to a few things, things that went beyond any previous president's actions?

(Clearly not including covid, where iirc you wanted greater restrictions on freedoms)

How about Roe Vs Wade, which Trump boasts of 'killing' and 'getting rid of', again, no need for projection or hyperbole, he said the words himself, he boasted about taking away women's reproductive rights, the right of a woman to choose what happens to her and her body.

He's picked a running mate who says that a woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term even in cases of incest and rape, and advocated for 'tracking' women who try to travel to states where they can get an abortion, so they can be arrested and prevented from getting an abortion.

This is fucking medieval stuff, Trump has boasted about what he managed to do in his first term, and he's made it clear he'll go further in a second term.

EDIT - And yet apparently it's trans women that women should be afraid of. Sheesh. Give me a break.

 

[thr0b]

Don’t you understand? The things he says and does don’t mean he’ll say and do them, and when he does the things he said he’d do, they’re great things, the best.

It’s astonishing to see so many people utterly brainwashed by Lyle Langley.

 

[satchnz]

As a former doctor and now in upper management for hospitals across Ontario, I support his policies mostly because he will stop the transitioning of children, puberty blockers and that sort of thing.

The human brain isn't done growing until your 20's.

We dont allow children to decide if they want to drink alcohol, smoke, gamble until 19-21 because we do not trust their judgement. Same reason as a parent doesnt allow their kid to eat junk food and provides them nutritious food. If it was up to a kid, they would eat cookies all day.

You arent even allowed to get a tattoo until you're 16 (with parental permission)

But suddenly a child should be able to choose to be castrated, puberty blockers?

I have seen the damage it has done to kids. The suicide rates of trans people is through the roof. They need medication and therapy first. This is not opinion, this is fact based.

Then when they reach the proper age, they can do as they please.

Then I agree with closed borders. Opening borders destroys countries. Look at Canada and the housing crisis because they let immigrants pour in. It's a mess.

Immigration is fine but you have to have it controlled. The health care system, economy and housing simply cannot support it and in turn it will cause inflation, crime, housing crisis' etc


I saw what he did in his 4 years. No inflation, no wars, closed borders. Those are important to me so I support that. He sounded like a tool on the world stage with covid (not the greatest speaker), I would say that and fighting with the media was really the only thing that annoyed me about him.

The problem is that I’m not hearing any specific policies or tangible details on how he is going to implement his policies. That’s what I’m trying to understand.

 

[mack341]

How about Roe Vs Wade, which Trump boasts of 'killing' and 'getting rid of', again, no need for projection or hyperbole, he said the words himself, he boasted about taking away women's reproductive rights, the right of a woman to choose what happens to her and her body.

He's picked a running mate who says that a woman should be forced to carry a pregnancy to term even in cases of incest and rape, and advocated for 'tracking' women who try to travel to states where they can get an abortion, so they can be arrested and prevented from getting an abortion.

This is fucking medieval stuff, Trump has boasted about what he managed to do in his first term, and he's made it clear he'll go further in a second term.

EDIT - And yet apparently it's trans women that women should be afraid of. Sheesh. Give me a break.

So the one thing you can point to, is actually pro-democracy, each state's elected representatives can decide their abortion law rather than have it imposed against their wishes (majority).

The supreme court made the decision, the same court that ruled against all the 2020 election vote cases, so clearly not under his control.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So the one thing you can point to, is actually pro-democracy, each state's elected representatives can decide their abortion law rather than have it imposed against their wishes (majority).

The supreme court made the decision, the same court that ruled against all the 2020 election vote cases, so clearly not under his control.

It's pro-democracy for a state to tell a woman that she can't decide for herself if she has to carry a baby to term or not? To remove a woman's own reproductive rights?

This only happened because Trump loaded the Supreme Court with judges who he knew would vote down Roe Vs Wade, which is why he's boasting about being the one who killed Roe Vs Wade in the clip above.

Just so we're clear, you're calling it pro-democracy for a US State to tell a woman that she no longer has control over what happens to her own body when she's pregnant?

 

[thr0b]

He packed the Supreme Court with conservative judges. After saying he wouldn’t. Doesn’t seem very democratic to me.

And his side are now saying they’ll stop people travelling to states where abortion remains legal.

They hate women. They’re not exactly big fans of kids either.

 

[mack341]

I hope old harrybkk is reading and enjoying this thread, seeing me reappear as a Trump defender

Just hope there's no smashed keyboards or screens going on out there, better still perhaps a 'new' member with a strong interest in US politics might yet turn up...

 

[mack341]

It's pro-democracy for a state to tell a woman that she can't decide for herself if she has to carry a baby to term or not? To remove a woman's own reproductive rights?

This only happened because Trump loaded the Supreme Court with judges who he knew would vote down Roe Vs Wade, which is why he's boasting about being the one who killed Roe Vs Wade in the clip above.

Just so we're clear, you're calling it pro-democracy for a US State to tell a woman that she no longer has control over what happens to her own body when she's pregnant?

Yes because it's a law, and many women agree with the change. Nothing stops someone moving to a liberal state, where their elected reps vote to allow it etc...people already move to states that are more in line with their outlook.

I saw mention of Vance wanting restrictions on the morning after pill, don't see the need for that, in fact it solves the rape issue that pro abortion people argue.

I remember looking up this topic before, cases of 'aborted' foetuses still very much alive, which then the medical practitioner dispatches, horrific stuff.

Edit: I haven't read the state anti abortion laws, but it's probably focused on the practioners and medical services rather than the woman's rights, did they actually make it illegal for a woman to travel to another state for the procedure?

 

[goatwack]

I think the crux of the matter is that there's no definitive answer to this highly contentious issue, based on each unique circumstance.

It most definitely is the right of a woman to have autonomy of her body, yet it's the age-old question of when a foetus is considered alive, and where its right to life comes into it.

The Roe vs Wade didn't need removing from what I can see, and yielding autonomy to each individual state sounds like the fairest outcome, but not at the cost of forcing women to give birth to children conceived from rape and incest. Perhaps Federal law is best - there will always be good mothers, bad mothers and everything else in between.

The religious zealotry that is rooted in non-practical solution or compromise is borderline cult-like, nor would any of them likely encounter having to make these life-altering decisions bar medical reasons.

Outright banning travel to other states is draconian and the furthest thing from democratic freedom that we'd expect to see in developed nation in all honesty.

The onus lies on the mother, each situation is unique and beholden to them, and should never be a continuous lifestyle choice. Because if we go down that route, I think we're going to have a problem

 

[justdoit]

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