US political crisis

[pinnit2014]

I think AI will change the world dramatically and very quickly unless controlled, and dare I say it, regulated in some way.

If the parameters were set accordingly though, I cant see how a human could do the democratic process better. Greed is, arguably, our biggest downfall as a species, and invites us to tread over others for personal gains. AI is impervious to greed unless it is programmed to behave that way.

I think the numbers that by the time you get your Coffee and go into work, you've already interacted with 15 forms of it.

Got a bit of criticism (he calls AI the Pandemic we're avoiding - bit sensationalist) but Mo Gawdat's Scary/Smart book on AI is a semi decent read, if not for distilling it down simply.

That's the challenge though - who is the AI learning off? If it's the dregs of society and encompassing things like greed/capitalism on steroids, then it's going to act accordingly etc.

 

[mack341]

He's back, his hair's gone a bit more candy floss but looks like a 2024 biden vs trump rematch is on the cards, and Joe can't campaign from a basement this time on account of covid!

 

[bamberfishcake]

I cant see Joe participating in a live debate. Surely they cant try and put the poor man through that.

 

[mack341]

I cant see Joe participating in a live debate. Surely they cant try and put the poor man through that.

I think he's going to, tbh he's managed longer than I thought he would. Don't think the dems have got anyone else that people warm to, gavin newsom looks like a presidential candidate, perhaps he might run for the top job.

 

[mack341]

Gave me a chuckle ol' Joe and his son who likes filming things and doing business deals...

 

[mack341]

Probably no one's business, but never known the amount of persistent smoke/rumours around someone, perhaps with the exception of Lindsey Graham. And of course the clintons - but they somehow got to a special level!

 

[bamberfishcake]

Bless ole' crooked Joe, clearly more fit and capable than many believe, just watch him execute this speech and inspire the idiots crowd...

 

[09237653]

Think hes bad, you should see the other guy.

 

[bamberfishcake]

How many?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Remember when it was the 'EU Army' we were supposed to be worrying about?

Well here's Trump saying he would encourage Putin's Russia to attack NATO countries, or specifically, 'to do whatever the hell they want'.

Sooner or later with this stuff, you need to pick a side.

 

[TheAddict]

And whichever side you pick, you lose.


Thanks for playing.


Honk.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And whichever side you pick, you lose.


Thanks for playing.


Honk.

Biden is clearly past it and has no business running again, but there's a big difference between a doddery forgetful old man, and a narcissistic maniac who's openly inviting, nay encouraging, Putin's Russia to invade a NATO country. The same Putin's Russia that's already invaded Ukraine.

So yeah, neither is a good choice, but one is clearly so much worse than the other.

 

[goatwack]

My recollection may be a tad hazy, but I recall God-Emperor Trump bitch-slapping Kim Jong Un into compliance whilst also keeping Putin in line. If anything, he maintained peace and avoided conflict and escalation, mostly through bravado, and yet it had the desired effect.

Given that, and the US' funding 22% of NATO's budget, I highly doubt they'd forfeit military involvement when called upon to defend a smaller nation, nor do I think it would even come to that (see above)

Yet the fact remains that those nations not wanting to pull their weight financially and expecting Team America to pick up the tab time and again rankles somewhat with ordinary people, and that was pretty much the summation of his rhetoric there.

The real question still remains though: when will we see the sequel to this cult classic?

 

[mack341]

Glad to see the 1st lady using her time wisely.

 

[Kroffe]

Pretty crazy run-up to the election, personally i wouldnt want Starmer or Farage in power.
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[satchnz]

Biden is clearly past it and has no business running again, but there's a big difference between a doddery forgetful old man, and a narcissistic maniac who's openly inviting, nay encouraging, Putin's Russia to invade a NATO country. The same Putin's Russia that's already invaded Ukraine.

So yeah, neither is a good choice, but one is clearly so much worse than the other.

And don’t forget there is a highly competent team behind Biden. Voters need to factor that in. I’m a citizen and am seriously thinking about voting for the first time.

Biden’s performance last night was simply atrocious though…

 

[The Dude]

I hate to say it, but that probably sunk him. It was a sad thing to watch. One stage it's about personality - a big mouth liar up against an out-of-breath grandpa will win every time.

 

[itsme123]

Looking from this side of the pond, what a horrendous decision the Americans need to make in November unless Biden does the sensible thing and hand the baton over to a younger democrat. And it’s apparent that Harris isn’t in the hunt as she seems to have been sidelined big style.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Biden needs to step down and hand the reins over with dignity, but will he?

 

[dunover]

I hate to say it, but that probably sunk him. It was a sad thing to watch. One stage it's about personality - a big mouth liar up against an out-of-breath grandpa will win every time.

I.E. Johnson vs Corbum 2019 in the UK lol.

 

[sufferinsilence]

I hate to say it, but that probably sunk him. It was a sad thing to watch. One stage it's about personality - a big mouth liar up against an out-of-breath grandpa will win every time.

It was a car crash for the Dems, and not even in slow-motion...

Hindsight is 20/20 of course but VP Harris should've taken over the reigns around half term and the Dems should've prepared someone like Gov. Newsom to run. I have absolutely no hope they can salvage this situation now, Trump will win easily. Dems should shift focus to 2028.

 

[Nightfly]

I hate to say it, but that probably sunk him. It was a sad thing to watch. One stage it's about personality - a big mouth liar up against an out-of-breath grandpa will win every time.

The out-of breath granpa has his shares of falsehoods.

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President Joe Biden spent three days this week campaigning in the critical swing state of Pennsylvania. He littered his remarks with false and misleading claims on subjects ranging from his annual earnings to his cap on seniors’ prescription drug spending to the demographics of China to the frequency of his past travel to Iraq and Afghanistan.
And in Biden’s most eyebrow-raising remarks of the campaign swing, he

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in which he strongly suggested his late uncle, Ambrose Finnegan, was eaten by cannibals after his plane was shot down while he fought in World War II. Biden’s dramatic details don’t match the Defense Department’s official account of the plane crash.

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[mack341]

The world of politics is full of liars, admittedly some have smaller mouths but 90% are at it.

Somebody like Thomas Massie is in the 10%, willing to take stances that make him unpopular with the party machine.

 

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[DreamRJ]

It was a car crash for the Dems, and not even in slow-motion...

Hindsight is 20/20 of course but VP Harris should've taken over the reigns around half term and the Dems should've prepared someone like Gov. Newsom to run. I have absolutely no hope they can salvage this situation now, Trump will win easily. Dems should shift focus to 2028.

Well Trump thinks he will never die and he will think he can run in 2028 even though he can not without scrapping the 2 term rule from their constitution. I also highly doubt he will be able to without a lot of protests.

So if the disgusting Trump gets in again the 2028 election goes out the window. (anarchy could happen if he changes the election rules and constitution for more terms) Saying that his age will play a huge factor then anyway so he will surely be more frail than Joe Biden is right now.

USA needs to stop trump getting back in look what he did to congress when he got all the far right mob to storm the capitol. I know that Joe is showing his age and is very frail now but no idea why the dems did not challenge Biden months ago to find a replacement for him.

 

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[sufferinsilence]

Well Trump thinks he will never die and he will think he can run in 2028 even though he can not without scrapping the 2 term rule from their constitution. I also highly doubt he will be able to without a lot of protests.

So if the disgusting Trump gets in again the 2028 election goes out the window. (anarchy could happen if he changes the election rules and constitution for more terms) Saying that his age will play a huge factor then anyway so he will surely be more frail than Joe Biden is right now.

USA needs to stop trump getting back in look what he did to congress when he got all the far right mob to storm the capitol. I know that Joe is showing his age and is very frail now but no idea why the dems did not challenge Biden months ago to find a replacement for him.

Well for what it's worth, according to a Dutch political adviser on X Moscow thinks Trump is too unpredictable towards Russia atm and they're not going to "back" him (aka engage the bot farms). They even think Biden can get a 2nd term.

 

[DreamRJ]

Well for what it's worth, according to a Dutch political adviser on X Moscow thinks Trump is too unpredictable towards Russia atm and they're not going to "back" him (aka engage the bot farms). They even think Biden can get a 2nd term.

Yeah but even if Biden was fortunate to win the election he can surely not last the full term at all. I mean chances are he might get ill during that term or even worse die. So that would trigger yet another election with the vice president sitting in until election and I wonder if Trump would stand in that too?

The thing with Trump is he just never stops until he gets what he wants. Age does not bother him.

 

[sufferinsilence]

Yeah but even if Biden was fortunate to win the election he can surely not last the full term at all. I mean chances are he might get ill during that term or even worse die. So that would trigger yet another election with the vice president sitting in until election and I wonder if Trump would stand in that too?

The thing with Trump is he just never stops until he gets what he wants. Age does not bother him.

Not like Trump is a spring chicken Both of them are at an age where they could get very ill or pass away while in office.

Both major parties are being held hostage by old people...

 

[itsme123]

Not like Trump is a spring chicken Both of them are at an age where they could get very ill or pass away while in office.

Both major parties are being held hostage by old people...

It says a lot of western politics when the four leading lights in upcoming elections are Trump, Biden, Starmer and Sunak, and throw the political situation in France in to the mix it makes you fear for democracy in the years to come.

 

[weesie]

It was a car crash for the Dems, and not even in slow-motion...

Hindsight is 20/20 of course but VP Harris should've taken over the reigns around half term and the Dems should've prepared someone like Gov. Newsom to run. I have absolutely no hope they can salvage this situation now, Trump will win easily. Dems should shift focus to 2028.

OMG! Have you not seen Harris in any conversation/interview? She's a walking, talking word salad Hyena laughing disaster! She qualified by having the correct boxes checked, period!

 

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[goatwack]

Biden's latest masterpiece, in what could be his magnum opus, introducing Zelensky onstage as 'Putin'.

Apparently that's to be accepted now, just a genteel old man having a lapse of concentration, yet clearly ravaged by cognitive decline.

Imagine then all the sycophants and hangers-on that are suddenly noting his incompetence, despite the fact this has been all too apparent ever since he took office, with them forming cues to publicly denounce him as they realize that 'anyone but the Orange Man!' only gets you so far!

Biden should have been allowed to retire years ago, be reading books under a tree and eating bloody ice cream, but has been exploited by those with terrible agendas.

Shame on all of them

 

[lockinlove]

It was a car crash for the Dems, and not even in slow-motion...

Hindsight is 20/20 of course but VP Harris should've taken over the reigns around half term and the Dems should've prepared someone like Gov. Newsom to run. I have absolutely no hope they can salvage this situation now, Trump will win easily. Dems should shift focus to 2028.

Id be shocked if they put Newsom forward. The guy has destroyed California and that would be shown to the voters easily. If he ran the country like he did Cali, goodbye USA.

Harris is not liked by anyone so not sure who they have to put up.

Trump is mostly likely a shoe in regardless. Dems have done way too much damage

 

[Webzcas]

Vice President Trump being the latest

If you need me, I will be on the phone.

 

[goatwack]

Man, they're really dogpiling now aren't they!

From Clooney to Obama, they're all at it, lining up neatly to take pops at pops Joe himself.

Fully of the realization that he's 'suddenly' unfit for office after four years of the world's knowing this since he took office, the 25th amendment looks set to be played out on the grandest stage of all.

Fearful of the fact that Trump-hatred isn't enough to contest the Presidential race, whereby the Democrats could have fielded a tramp's sock and still been confident of winning, recent events have conspired to mark an uptick in Trump's likelihood of stomping home in November, and so comes the revelation of Biden's sudden weariness and....

"Covid"

Still, the scramble for damage control is not only predictably hypocritical but somewhat sad, truth be told

 

[goatwack]

Aaaand to no one's surprise, Biden steps down!

Kamala's in!

 

[itsme123]

Best thing he could have done , he was really looking his age over the last few months, maybe they should have tried the anti ageing stuff they are testing on mice at the moment , though I think the Donald beat him to that….

 

[goatwack]

Now all the talk's of whether Biden should resign from office, as him not standing in the next election doesn't mean he won't still serve until January!

If he's not fit to stand in November, is he viable now? Who would take over as President? The Democrat nominee?

This is more chaotic than the Tories in their pomp!

 

[sufferinsilence]

Now all the talk's of whether Biden should resign from office, as him not standing in the next election doesn't mean he won't still serve until January!

If he's not fit to stand in November, is he viable now? Who would take over as President? The Democrat nominee?

This is more chaotic than the Tories in their pomp!

The Veep would take over. Simples.

 

[goatwack]

So the puppeteer we all suspected will run the country, and simultaneously, we'll have the Democrats put forward a nominee to contest Trump?

Now that's a hot coconut mess!

 

[sufferinsilence]

So the puppeteer we all suspected will run the country, and simultaneously, we'll have the Democrats put forward a nominee to contest Trump?

Now that's a hot coconut mess!

Sir, it's the 25th amendment.

 

[goatwack]

Sir, it's the 25th amendment.

I know about the 25th, I've mentioned it many times

Just bemused as to the conflict of interest to have a lame duck caretaker President whilst a party would potentially put forward someone else to contest an election!

At this juncture, Harris running would be the least confusing option, even if she's not the most popular candidate. Just no one wheel Hillary out, please

 

[sufferinsilence]

I know about the 25th, I've mentioned it many times

Just bemused as to the conflict of interest to have a lame duck caretaker President whilst a party would potentially put forward someone else to contest an election!

At this juncture, Harris running would be the least confusing option, even if she's not the most popular candidate. Just no one wheel Hillary out, please

I don't think that Biden should resign tho. Not seeking a reelection is different from not being fit to be president right now.

Anyway, seems like VP Harris will be the candidate. If news channels are to be believed money is already pouring in in support of her after Biden's endorsement earlier tonight. The DNC next month will be very interesting to follow nonetheless.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well it's a bit late in the day but Biden got there in the end, with what was, by all accounts, a lot of pushing.... Should have done it far sooner but at least this gives the Democrats a fighting chance now, and also might get some eyes on Trump, who isn't looking too sharp himself in a lot of ways, but Biden always eclipsed him in the 'doddery old man' stakes.

For my money you won't find much better analysis of this election than on The Rest Is Politics US podcast, who did an 'emergency broadcast' last night.

Most interestingly of all, one of their hosts is Anthony Scaramucci, who worked in the White House under Trump as Director Of Communications, and is now very much of the opinion that Trump is genuinely dangerous and must never get near the levers of power in America again.

 

[Webzcas]

Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart - Will give that a WIDE swerve.

Two individuals who have no credibility whatsoever.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Alastair Campbell and Rory Stewart - Will give that a WIDE swerve.

Two individuals who have no credibility whatsoever.

Yeah what do those two know about politics eh?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

For reference though, if you really don't like Campbell and Stewart, then they generally stick to The Rest Is Politics UK edition, Scaramucci and Katty do the US version by themselves normally - but last night was an EMERGENCY PODCAST, whatever that's supposed to mean.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nigel 'Anything But Clacton' Farage casually referring to Kamala Harris as a 'black African woman'.

Harris herself was born in California (so she's, y'know, American), her mum is a Tamil Indian and her dad is Jamaican.

Still, let's not allow some facts to get in the way of Nigel 'I'm Over Here Donald!' Farage's ignorance and racism.

 

[dealer wins]