Unbelievable runs followed by bust - how frequent are they ? the doomswitch

approx amounts
20€ to 1500€ to 0€
100€ to 3600€ to 0€
10€ (!!!) to 1100€ to 0€
40€ to 600€ to 0€


Why would you not cash those amounts out? :eek::eek:
Those are insane returns! No reason to continue playing mate.
I know it is hard to stop once on a high and you feel you just can't lose.
But as you can see it is very well possible.

What I normally do is when depositing €100.00 (my standard deposit most of the times) and I get to let's say 400 or 500 Euro,I withdraw 300 and keep the rest for playing.
At least you know you end up with profit for that session.

That said I have busted out also depositing just a few tenners,boosted up to 1k in no time but because I was only playing so shortly I wanted to play on and busted eventually.
But I have learned from that and this actually does not happen to me anymore.

When in profit,TAKE THE CASH! :thumbsup:

For the doomswitch theory,I tend to leave a slot alone for a few months when I just have had a big hit on it.
I would play it at other casino's though.
 
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those disciplined stops were...

Why would you not cash those amounts out? :eek::eek:
Those are insane returns! No reason to continue playing mate.
I know it is hard to stop once on a high and you feel you just can't lose.
But as you can see it is very well possible.

What I normally do is when depositing €100.00 (my standard deposit most of the times) and I get to let's say 400 or 500 Euro,I withdraw 300 and keep the rest for playing.
At least you know you end up with profit for that session.

That said I have busted out also depositing just a few tenners,boosted up to 1k in no time but because I was only playing so shortly I wanted to play on and busted eventually.
But I have learned from that and this actually does not happen to me anymore.

When in profit,TAKE THE CASH! :thumbsup:

For the doomswitch theory,I tend to leave a slot alone for a few months when I just have had a big hit on it.
I would play it at other casino's though.



what i started with when gambling. and that was very successful. However there are periods of time when i am havin health issues and am extremely bored just inbed for weeks with very little sleep... than i sometimes get a bit no pain no gain no risk no fun...like...

however it is not sliding into a problematic zone. i can fullfill any of my financial duties and anyway reduced my gamblingbudget a lot since last year i had a little issue just forgetting that i already busted an amount and then looking very surprised when the account suddenly looked so... empty... that doesn´t happen anymore.

and yes - i agree - breaks or lowrolling after huge cashouts are best. fortunately i at least could manage to slice it and use it for realworld people.

somehow i also find out that lowrolling at a small deposit, trying to build it up over a period of time even thrills me more than those 45 € spins on thunderstruck... and i should maybe better keep secret that rtg allows 250$ on tripletwister... and you can spin about 40-60 times per minute... ;-)
 
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On the other hand any gambler knows that ultimately you must lose if you keep playing. For me it is just the nature of the losing streaks that raises an eyebrow and tbf sometimes the winning streaks seem just as unlikely.(...)

Exactly!

To give people a sense of what winning streaks may look like in a random game, try a dice site with 0 bets (just-dice or any)... Since I'm coming from the crypto currency gambling world.

A slot machine is basically a dice where the multipliers change between x1.1 (bet 0.10€, get only 0.01@) and, say x2000, jackpots excluded. Now, trying rolling x10 for a while, you should win on average little less than once every 10 rolls (house edge). Try with x100, x1000.

Imagine now, in a slot, the multipliers change all the time. And most importantly spins take an eternity 15-25spins/min. Dice sites throttle 0 bets to 120-300 rolls/min. Higher bets are not throttled. If you play with the money (btc etc..), it's tens of thousands per minute.

If you roll only x100 multipliers for a while (a LOT while), you might encounter, say, 4 wins within 6 rolls. Or maybe six x50 wins within 30 rolls. But remember, in a slot the x100 bets are diluted in an ocean of bets with multipliers x1.1, x1.25, x1.8, x2, x2.4, x ..... x50, x80, x166, x180 etc depending on the game design, and most of those bets are (net) losses. In would take on average millions of rolls to find crazy streaks like the ones of these crazy runs in casinos.

You don't find those crazy runs/busts every million spins in casinos !!! That would mean, 1'000'000 x 0.10€ = 100'000€ wagers or 1'000'000 x 2s = 23d 3h (assuming constant bets 24/7 non stop). EVEN if you divide the figure by 10, the frequencies just don't match! One should encounter these crazy runs. These crazy runs, and especially ensuing busts, happen way too often.

Someone said gamblers are expert at turning wins into losses. I'd say it's only because they're facing unfair games.

The fact is, if I play 1€, 1€, 1€ (wins) and then 1€ (loss), I have no way to verify that the slot decided to make me lose the last bet.

Same if play 1€, 1€, 1€ wins, 100€ loss.

Or just if I bet one 100€ spin and lose. How do I know the casino didn't decide to rig the game because he saw a big bet ?

In dice sites, I can see by myself that the rolling number hasn't been decided by the site after my bet. Although I cannot know what the rolling number will be, after the roll, I can ask the server secret key (which is used to compute the rolling number) and compare it with its hash which was available before my bet.

When you come from cryptocurrency gambling sites, you wonder why people here don't care about the game being fair.

I came to casinos for various reasons, but the fascinating high frequency of those crazy runs was one of the reasons... and the entertainment vs rather boring dice Hi-Lo 00.00 00 99.99 99 figures.


The very fact that online casinos are dark businesses (anonymous/fake agent names, no offices, game codes kept secret, user game data kept secret) and that none of the reps' makes any statement about these OBVIOUS facts is a blatant proof the games are not about chance, but about entertainment, behavioral analysis, addiction etc...

IF THE CODES ARE SECRET
How can you trust theoretical RTP published by game designers themselves ?
How can you trust actual RTP published by casinos themselves ?
How can you thrust any firm (that earns money of them!) or authority that certifies them ?
Remember any scandal recently (mortgage crises, cigarette industry, food industry, car industry) ?
 
The very fact that online casinos are dark businesses (anonymous/fake agent names, no offices, game codes kept secret, user game data kept secret) and that none of the reps' makes any statement about these OBVIOUS facts is a blatant proof the games are not about chance, but about entertainment, behavioral analysis, addiction etc...

IF THE CODES ARE SECRET
How can you trust theoretical RTP published by game designers themselves ?
How can you trust actual RTP published by casinos themselves ?
How can you thrust any firm (that earns money of them!) or authority that certifies them ?
Remember any scandal recently (mortgage crises, cigarette industry, food industry, car industry) ?

You mean sites such as 32red publicly traded ?
Or many other venues registered and regulated in multiple locations such as the UK Malta ?

Legit casinos are not dark business they are highly professional run enterprises that have no need to fix anything. As neither do the software providers such as MG or Netent to name a few.
I think you have simply lost big when you could have cashed out and are looking for a scape goat. If you dont trust the game - dont play simple.

I do trust it and have cashed out 1000s of times. Sure I loose - its the nature of the beast - its called gambling and something known as the house edge which ensures the casino always comes out on top in the end.

You are right on one point it is entertainment for sure and should never be seen as a way to make a living more the fool the person who thinks as such.

My own personal motto these past few years has always been "Don't gamble the rent and Dont gamble to pay the rent!"

End of :cool:
 
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holla ;-)

of course there is house edges and slots are designed for those who buy them - to make money.

still it is very funny to play them (on your level of capabilities, of course).

that there are many semi rogue or rogue places out there isn´t a secret. however the regulated majority of operations cannot influence the rng results. If I operated a game provider I would of course design the rngs to produce some kind of clustering results for streaks and anyone nows the more often you hit spin, the more likely it is to lose it all. player gets impatient and and increases spin frequency while the rng just calculates total losses... after it just generated one mega win after the other... thats mental misfunction and who loses selfcontrol busts.

thats no casinomanager monitoring any single player and creating traps and losing streaks. well at some places that could be however they dont use the big player´s software they are not lincensed.
 
Weekly but its my own greed to blame, I find that pretty much every week there will be one session with a few 200x wins thrown in quickly and a few other smaller or bigger wins, I up the stake and its gone in an hour. Literally my whole year has been like this and ive barely made withdrawals because of how reckless I am when I get a few good wins.
 
You mean sites such as 32red publicly traded ?
Or many other venues registered and regulated in multiple locations such as the UK Malta ?

Play devils advocate here for a minute - what evidence can you point me in the direction of that I can use to categorically prove OP is completely wrong?
 
holla ;-)
(...) If I operated a game provider I would of course design the rngs to produce some kind of clustering results for streaks (...)

AHAHA ! Where is Lady Luck in that ? And I think it's exactly the kind of tricks used.

I agree the play is and should be for entertaining. That why I try to keep my plays (in player terms, it means losses) balanced with the level of entertainment. I'm totally willing to pay a price (although less that I am now) for the chill of being the opportunity to cashout one of these.

But also, let's not fool ourselves, do you cash out by just snapping fingers ? They work hard to keep you from doing that - terms, stalled payments, reverse withdrawal, fraud suspicion etc.

I don't deny my foolishness of not working as hard as they do to withdraw some of these wins.

of course there is house edges and slots are designed for those who buy them - to make money.
Yes, but how? that's were the devil is. Even if you can trust the global RTP (which is already a giant leap of faith, even for
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games), you don't know HOW was your once in a life-time unlucky 1'000€ roll (idk, just making up) was calculated. Doesn't that bother you ?

You could try smallest spins 0.01€. But the spins are so slow (and your money so limited) and the interface so unusable for testing purpose, that you can't gather sufficient statistical evidence (=millions of spins) to draw any conclusion.

Their goal is making money, yes. And I'm fine with that. But it's not because of the house edge resulting from the high number of spins in a fair game, it's because they choose who wins and loose NOT to maximize their instant profit, but to make the income STABLE. As I said, a player loosing ten times 10€ everyday on ten days is much more valuable than a player loosing 100€ once in ten days, because the first player will come back.

Theoretical RTP, house edge represents some money, but information is gold (or diamond). RTP/math house edge is just BS thrown at players so they'll think "it's math, I don't understand, but since it's math, it must be truth.
 
AHAHA ! Where is Lady Luck in that ? And I think it's exactly the kind of tricks used.
of course there is house edges and slots are designed for those who buy them - to make money.
Yes, but how? that's were the devil is.
I should have said it's not (only) the house that generates money. Actually I think it's not house edge AT ALL.
 
AHAHA ! Where is Lady Luck in that ? And I think it's exactly the kind of tricks used.

I agree the play is and should be for entertaining. That why I try to keep my plays (in player terms, it means losses) balanced with the level of entertainment. I'm totally willing to pay a price (although less that I am now) for the chill of being the opportunity to cashout one of these.

But also, let's not fool ourselves, do you cash out by just snapping fingers ? They work hard to keep you from doing that - terms, stalled payments, reverse withdrawal, fraud suspicion etc.

I don't deny my foolishness of not working as hard as they do to withdraw some of these wins.
TP, house edge represents some money, but information is gold (or diamond). RTP/math house edge is just BS thrown at players so they'll think "it's math, I don't understand, but since it's math, it must be truth.

Yes actually you can - some examples below :

Videoslots last cash out last week paid within 15 mins
Guts Yesterday paid within 2 hours
Betsafe (last time I cashed out was instant)


Prospect Hall no reverse time at all paid within 25 minutes (not accredited here)
RoyalPanda paid within around 12 hours (not yet accredited here)

the above is to name but a few.

So long as you get your documents verified which I did yesterday at one of the above casinos and they approved my documents and processed my withdraw (just over £600 in under half an hour)

A player can choose where to play - the accredited list here is a great place to start - you get up to date info on cash out times if thats your thing. Some dont mind waiting longer. But your statement above
is in accurate for a wide number of very respected casino operations.
 
Yes actually you can - some examples below :
(...)A player can choose where to play - the accredited list here is a great place to start - you get up to date info on cash out times if thats your thing. Some dont mind waiting longer. But your statement above
is in accurate for a wide number of very respected casino operations.
I'm not implying one can not withdraw money if they want to...

Considering the secret/obscure nature of the casino industry and more generally of all games implying "luck", I have learned to consider any opinion in favor of casinos/game owners etc with the utmost suspicion.

Small reminder of caution to all. I say it with the utmost respect but to give the slightest bit of credibility or good intention to the devils (casinos), you have to be completely ignorant or have a personal interest in that.

Believe me (or not, LOL!), I'm rather belong the former category. I might have a personal opinion but I'm am not saying or accusing anyone here. I'm totally willing to comply with forum rules.

Until the day every slot machine is equipped with a verify button (displaying the hash of the server secret key from which the reels are calculated) that allows me to check if my roll is not a function of my bet size, anyone reasonable has to assume that

Casinos is not the art of odds, it's the art of maintaining the highest and the longest lasting flows of money while making it look like odds and while staying below the radar(1) and above the laws (if any!).

(1) (re)read my previous post, "player investigations". Jeez, the bigger the scam, less likely it's detected. Don't you agree Bernie Madoff'?

Because the testing methods, accreditation process, certification authorities, game designs are so obscure, it's the simplest explanation. And hence the correct one.



Casinos can come forward and PM me, I will retract for 1'000'000€ ;)
 
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There is (or will be, they say) algorithms to detect and stop addicted, problematic players... which every player is but at different levels. The very same algorithms can be used to trigger the most profitable players by manipulating spins, which again, won't touch the RTP, should the RTP be trusted.

Casino can investigate level of wealth of their players in social medias, professional status via information found on internet. And invest more to make the most wealthy ones come back.

Who is giving me guarantee they don't do that?
 
Exactly!

To give people a sense of what winning streaks may look like in a random game, try a dice site with 0 bets (just-dice or any)... Since I'm coming from the crypto currency gambling world.

A slot machine is basically a dice where the multipliers change between x1.1 (bet 0.10€, get only 0.01@) and, say x2000, jackpots excluded. Now, trying rolling x10 for a while, you should win on average little less than once every 10 rolls (house edge). Try with x100, x1000.

Imagine now, in a slot, the multipliers change all the time. And most importantly spins take an eternity 15-25spins/min. Dice sites throttle 0 bets to 120-300 rolls/min. Higher bets are not throttled. If you play with the money (btc etc..), it's tens of thousands per minute.

If you roll only x100 multipliers for a while (a LOT while), you might encounter, say, 4 wins within 6 rolls. Or maybe six x50 wins within 30 rolls. But remember, in a slot the x100 bets are diluted in an ocean of bets with multipliers x1.1, x1.25, x1.8, x2, x2.4, x ..... x50, x80, x166, x180 etc depending on the game design, and most of those bets are (net) losses. In would take on average millions of rolls to find crazy streaks like the ones of these crazy runs in casinos.

You don't find those crazy runs/busts every million spins in casinos !!! That would mean, 1'000'000 x 0.10€ = 100'000€ wagers or 1'000'000 x 2s = 23d 3h (assuming constant bets 24/7 non stop). EVEN if you divide the figure by 10, the frequencies just don't match! One should encounter these crazy runs. These crazy runs, and especially ensuing busts, happen way too often.

Someone said gamblers are expert at turning wins into losses. I'd say it's only because they're facing unfair games.

The fact is, if I play 1€, 1€, 1€ (wins) and then 1€ (loss), I have no way to verify that the slot decided to make me lose the last bet.

Same if play 1€, 1€, 1€ wins, 100€ loss.

Or just if I bet one 100€ spin and lose. How do I know the casino didn't decide to rig the game because he saw a big bet ?

In dice sites, I can see by myself that the rolling number hasn't been decided by the site after my bet. Although I cannot know what the rolling number will be, after the roll, I can ask the server secret key (which is used to compute the rolling number) and compare it with its hash which was available before my bet.

When you come from cryptocurrency gambling sites, you wonder why people here don't care about the game being fair.

I came to casinos for various reasons, but the fascinating high frequency of those crazy runs was one of the reasons... and the entertainment vs rather boring dice Hi-Lo 00.00 00 99.99 99 figures.


The very fact that online casinos are dark businesses (anonymous/fake agent names, no offices, game codes kept secret, user game data kept secret) and that none of the reps' makes any statement about these OBVIOUS facts is a blatant proof the games are not about chance, but about entertainment, behavioral analysis, addiction etc...

IF THE CODES ARE SECRET
How can you trust theoretical RTP published by game designers themselves ?
How can you trust actual RTP published by casinos themselves ?
How can you thrust any firm (that earns money of them!) or authority that certifies them ?
Remember any scandal recently (mortgage crises, cigarette industry, food industry, car industry) ?

Right - there IS a 'doom switch' I hired a private detective who broke into Redbet for me and snapped it:

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Seriously, games are basically all about RTP. This is worked out by reel-maps. In other words, if you got ALL possible combinations of the reels on one winline ONCE then stopped, you would have lost approx 4% of the cost of doing so at say £1 a spin. The variance is then decided by the frequency of symbols on those reels and corresponding pay-outs. If the reels say had 50% 10's and only 2 diamonds you would find miniscule frequent pays for 10's but large ones for diamonds, in other words a high-variance game.
These games are all independently audited and CANNOT be 'fixed' by the casinos, none of whom serve their own games, but use independent servers.

What you have seen is simply RTP and variance in action. Imagine a horizontal line off a vertical axis 1-100, at '96' This is what you would get on the lowest-possible variance game, i..e. EVERY spin it paid 96p for your £1 spin.

In reality variance means this line is spikes above and below that 96% line, which will over time average 96%. So say you hit a lucky run, and you have spiked at say 260% RTP average for a few hundred spins - in other words a sequence of mid-big hits. This event is rare but happens due to the random nature of the games. Now the next spin has the same chance of awarding another big hit as the preceding one, but the law of large numbers means it's less likely. This is because say at the outset your chances of hitting that 260% over a few hundred spins was 1500/1, to keep it going further would mean that from the outset it would have been 3000/1 or 5000/1 against that run.

So, you are expecting an exceptional random event to become an extremely exceptional event, whereas the likelihood is the random events will level out, which they invariably do. This means your temporary spike in RTP will drop suddenly which will appear over the 96% line as a big trough afterwards. This effect of course is exaggerated in your eyes due to the huge contrast between the 'streak' and more 'normal' play.

So then we get the feeling that the little (bastard) man has turned down our RTP with his switch of doom just because we have won. We rapidly forget that before that he spilled his coffee and got it stuck at 260% before he could clean it and loosen it again...;)
 
I'm not implying one can not withdraw money if they want to...

Considering the secret/obscure nature of the casino industry and more generally of all games implying "luck", I have learned to consider any opinion in favor of casinos/game owners etc with the utmost suspicion.

Small reminder of caution to all. I say it with the utmost respect but to give the slightest bit of credibility or good intention to the devils (casinos), you have to be completely ignorant or have a personal interest in that.
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I personally belong to neither of the above group. I do think your one bitter player who has load a shit load of money did not know when to cash out and your looking to lay the blame. No one asks you to gamble its a personal choice. I think most of what you write in this thread in misguided rubbish. There is no switch! There is nothing a reputable casino can (or needs to do) to fix the highs and lows of variance. Have heard this argument time and again and nothing has ever been proved - apart from 1 fact - the games are games of chance - random as can be made and sometimes you win sometimes you loose.

I am way up this year so far - so by your accounts the casinos must have chosen me to be the lucky one this month ?

get real fella!
 
These games are all independently audited and CANNOT be 'fixed' by the casinos, none of whom serve their own games, but use independent servers.

erm... 32Red have their own game servers, and after becoming curious about the subject. I have traced all the TCP from various Everymatrix sites, I'd say Everymatrix also host their own games. (EM servers appear to be located in Romania, of all places). i haven't checked any other groups yet
 
erm... 32Red have their own game servers, and after becoming curious about the subject. I have traced all the TCP from various Everymatrix sites, I'd say Everymatrix also host their own games. (EM servers appear to be located in Romania, of all places). i haven't checked any other groups yet

Sorry, badly worded. I should have said 'don't serve their own software' which is fully independent software, free of manipulation by the site.
 
Sorry, badly worded. I should have said 'don't serve their own software' which is fully independent software, free of manipulation by the site.

The actual games may be very secure (or at least are meant to be). But they are on the EM servers, rather than on say, MGS or NetEnt servers
 
(...) Now the next spin has the same chance of awarding another big hit as the preceding one, but the law of large numbers means it's less likely. (...)
So, you are expecting an exceptional random event to become an extremely exceptional event, whereas the likelihood is the random events will level out, which they invariably do. This means your temporary spike in RTP will drop suddenly which will appear over the 96% line as a big trough afterwards. This effect of course is exaggerated in your eyes due to the huge contrast between the 'streak' and more 'normal' play.
Yea, I know about
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or whatever it's called.

I appreciate your efforts to teaching mathematics... to a... well did I read law of large numbers :lolup: :lolup: ?! Maths is useless if your assumptions are wrong :
(1) rolls must be random (I pass you on the technical details) and (bets) must be of the same size. To establish randomness you must provide me with the RNG and the full game design (e.g. how the random number translate into reels)
(2) there must be enough of it, a few thousand rolls won't do.
To draw any conclusions with a reasonable level of confidence, you must have both.

On the other side, I don't have a solid statistical evidence of the existence of a doom switch (or that spins are post-calculated), but what's to be demonstrated is not the same. Please believe my "expertise" (for whatever you can believe on internet ;) ) when I say that frequency of those very particular "crazy-run & bust", even with variable bet sizes, just seem unlikely in a random setup. My biggest mistake is having thought too often that casinos were such random setup. What a fool.

Yes the topic completely slipped (it's good this way). all that discussion of the frequency of that and that is useless if the ROLLS ARE UNFAIR!

Because of the money we all put in, I can perfectly understand the denial or the unwillingness to accept that there is manipulation; it's only human. I didn't measure the power of it though.

But I hope that raised a little bit of awareness....

So then we get the feeling that the little (bastard) man has turned down our RTP with his switch of doom just because we have won. We rapidly forget that before that he spilled his coffee and got it stuck at 260% before he could clean it and loosen it again...;)
Awww that's cute, you think the f***er is worried the slightest bit (from his mom's basement) to the point of spilling his morning caviar/champagne at any point in time after receiving deposit ? 1. They have millions. Period. 2. With a few exceptions, Casinos are not legally forced to pay any withdrawal (although I'm not a lawyer). If they don't, they just jeopardize the future of business. If they pay, it's just in the hope of future business and to avoid legal astle.

PS Casinos: my offer stands !!!
 
Yea, I know about
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or whatever it's called.

I appreciate your efforts to teaching mathematics... to a... well did I read law of large numbers :lolup: :lolup: ?! Maths is useless if your assumptions are wrong :
(1) rolls must be random (I pass you on the technical details) and (bets) must be of the same size. To establish randomness you must provide me with the RNG and the full game design (e.g. how the random number translate into reels)
(2) there must be enough of it, a few thousand rolls won't do.
To draw any conclusions with a reasonable level of confidence, you must have
both.

On the other side, I don't have a solid statistical evidence of the existence of a doom switch (or that spins are post-calculated), but what's to be demonstrated is not the same. Please believe my "expertise" (for whatever you can believe on internet ;) ) when I say that frequency of those very particular "crazy-run & bust", even with variable bet sizes, just seem unlikely in a random setup. My biggest mistake is having thought too often that casinos were such random setup. What a fool.

Yes the topic completely slipped (it's good this way). all that discussion of the frequency of that and that is useless if the ROLLS ARE UNFAIR!

Because of the money we all put in, I can perfectly understand the denial or the unwillingness to accept that there is manipulation; it's only human. I didn't measure the power of it though.

But I hope that raised a little bit of awareness....


Awww that's cute, you think the f***er is worried the slightest bit (from his mom's basement) to the point of spilling his morning caviar/champagne at any point in time after receiving deposit ? 1. They have millions. Period. 2. With a few exceptions, Casinos are not legally forced to pay any withdrawal (although I'm not a lawyer). If they don't, they just jeopardize the future of business. If they pay, it's just in the hope of future business and to avoid legal astle.

PS Casinos: my offer stands !!!

Yes, we've done all this before. Your 'feelings' (and that's all they are!) have no bearing on reality, which is demonstrated here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...icular-slot-or-can-casinos-adjust-them.56287/

Some of us (type kktmd into the search function as he was especially keen to dispel the rants of the foil-hatters) have run huge numbers (millions) of pulls through the games' RNGs and in EVERY case they RTP was pretty much bang-on the TRTP advertised for the game. Not only that, but the games are strictly audited by GC's before being licensed.

So, if you have some contradictory evidence that the GC's and us mugs who tested some of them are not party to, prithee share....:thumbsup:
 
I personally belong to neither of the above group. I do think your one bitter player who has load a shit load of money did not know when to cash out and your looking to lay the blame. No one asks you to gamble its a personal choice. I think most of what you write in this thread in misguided rubbish. There is no switch! There is nothing a reputable casino can (or needs to do) to fix the highs and lows of variance. Have heard this argument time and again and nothing has ever been proved - apart from 1 fact - the games are games of chance - random as can be made and sometimes you win sometimes you loose.

I could have worded completely ignorant differently partially ignorant or in complete/partial denial could have suited. Again, no attack intended. And I also apologize if offended.

No matter one's experience, situation, English proficiency, level of knowledge, education etc.. that should discredit any little bit his/her rational argument. The main issue, I regret it wasn't made clear soon enough, is the fact that one doesn't know how a spin is calculated. How can you then tell me "the games are games of chance" with such confidence ?

Even for provably fair dices sites, I don't have the IT expertise to analyze the correctness of the hash functions used. But HELL, they're public at least, and the security of your credit card, VPN, wifi etc depend on them. So how can you speak of "chance" without seeing a single line of code of the game (assuming you're not a game developer:p )

I am way up this year so far - so by your accounts the casinos must have chosen me to be the lucky one this month ?
If you are in the positive, you may be lucky. This year. You may have been chosen. Only conditionals...
 
If you are in the positive, you may be lucky. This year. You may have been chosen. Only conditionals...


Pretty much sums everything up about what you have been trying to say. As I said I rek you have lost big time cant handle it so spouting on with your pseudo maths
- the very logic of which is flawed. But what ever - you seem to think its all rigged rigged i tell ya ... ;)


By the way the man in the back room with the switch must have it in for me today as just hit another 400x bet :cool:
 
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