Unbelievable runs followed by bust - how frequent are they ? the doomswitch

[partyhummel]

I like that POV ;-)

first i should say: i trust the roguest of the roguest darkest riggedest casino far more than i would ever trust a government. ;-)

I really like your statement regarding rtp and calculations. Of course rtp of 98 or 95 % doesn´t mean that the operation would earn only 2-5 % of the deposit. so one player losing 20% his neighbour winning 15% cashing out casino has 5% everybody happy is a myth. however that IS the first thought a completely native person often has in mind, when reading about that - especially in some... well.... not soooooooooooooo correct affiliate site statements...

I know that from school. it is hard for most people who don´t deal with more complicated mathematical issues every day their brain is not trained to thing further. so a lot of people deposit and afterwards start complaining how they could lose more than x% of their deposit. I read that kind of complaint so many times throughout the internet. In forums like this one - and a few who manage to reach and maintain a comparable level of reputability, transparency and fairness you will find a lot of information provided that helps to explain and that helps to bust those marketing myths. 95% payout of the slots never ever means the casino cashes out 95% of the deposits. I would not waste a single thought on maintaining such an expensive operation, if i was an operator. no way. then you better run a garage for bikes or something that has a better perspective of earning money.

at the end of the day - no casino is inneed to rig any slots - these games have been under continous highest level iq-people development. ;-) they exactly work the way they are supposed to. as long as you keep disciplined or your financial substance is sufficient to support that hobby and maintain your life they are great However if i look around in berlin e.g. its the direct opposite. a big numbe of people is gambling away their lifes, the lifes of their families, kids and some of their friends. It is still their own decision - however of course slots work the way they are designed.

I think the uk regulations are a very decent step into the right direction. It is a shame that the german "government" is so greedy to the related taxes that they suppress any movement into the right direction. That in my opinion shows how ugly and free from any empathy and not in the best intention for their people - these shady guys rule that country. (ALL just my opinion)

Still also the more progressive regions have to develope far more efforts to minimize risks for customers.

and about casinos cashing out: most of those you can find here have very fast processing times. some of them do not offer reverse options so you cannot gamble your winnings away again. to me it happened once at slottyvegas after a very nice 4 digit win when i was chatting to support and talking about reversing and stuff - and i really had issues concerning reversals in the past - i just couldn´t place any more bets until it was processed.

There is no need for operations to stall or things like that. The opposite is the case - the operations are still profitable allthough they are acting more than just fair and caring for their customers. Payouts are solid part of financial strategies of casinos, of course. And it is great - just keeping it under control can turn to be an issue...

 

[roulettedonkey]

Yes, we've done all this before. Your 'feelings' (and that's all they are!) have no bearing on reality, which is demonstrated here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forum...icular-slot-or-can-casinos-adjust-them.56287/

Some of us (type kktmd into the search function as he was especially keen to dispel the rants of the foil-hatters) have run huge numbers (millions) of pulls through the games' RNGs and in EVERY case they RTP was pretty much bang-on the TRTP advertised for the game. Not only that, but the games are strictly audited by GC's before being licensed.

So, if you have some contradictory evidence that the GC's and us mugs who tested some of them are not party to, prithee share....

(do you offer me 1M € ? )

Thank you very much for pointing his posts. My apologies if I didn't look into deep of his posts. But I didn't seem to find his methodology. And if he/anyone does come forward with a testing method I can replicate, I wouldn't completely reverse my position either. As I said, until the full game code is public, in other words, until I can check if the spin hasn't been decided after sending the game my bet amount.

You'll guess it. For me, this only raises suspicion (the least I can say!!!!). If he was my twin brother running these tests and gathering the numbers next to me, even if I don't understand what's he doing, I could give him some credibility. But HELL seriously. It's casinos FFS!!! Who benefits of someone providing such "proof" (forum posts with numbers :notworthy: ) that they're fair ?

Don't get me me wrong, I'm being honest. I'm not even questioning his numbers.

C'mon guys ? A little bit suspicious ?

 

[sueyh]

How can you then tell me "the games are games of chance" with such confidence ?

I'll ask a same question to you. How can you tell us the all games are rigged with such confidence?

You said yourself you don't have any solid evidence.

We suppose to believe your word that comes from your experience-the experience that you couldn't control yourself and put the all the winnings back to a casino- not comes from any data or any evidence?

Do you know there are people who stop playing when they reach $1500 from $20 deposit and withdraw $1500 and go shopping with that money?

Do you know there are people who wins and withdraws from rime some time?

What do you expect to happen when you reach $1500 from $20 deposit? Keep winning until the balance become $15000?

With gamble you go up sometimes and you go down sometimes. And the fact is you go down more often than you go up, because all the slots are designed to make a casino earn money, not to make a player's bank balance bigger.

If you truly believe the games are rigged, please go find another hobby. People here are perfectly ok with how the games work.

 

[lockinlove]

I think the software detects when you raise your bets and cools you off.

I was bettin smallish. RTP was 98%. 1500 spins bonus rounds were triggering ever 100-150 spins

I upped my bets to $3 and $6 a bet and rtp changed to 32% 1500 spins bonus rounds were triggering 500-700 spins

 

[dunover]

I think the software detects when you raise your bets and cools you off.

I was bettin smallish. RTP was 98%. 1500 spins

I upped my bets to $3 and $6 a bet and rtp changed to 32% 1500 spins

That's a thing people often observe. It's not impossible to have an algorithm to produce this effect while still being random. I suspect however, that the effect of a few losing high-stake spins on a balance harvested by a good run on smaller stakes is far more noticeable, hence people's observations.

Take Jasminebed and her colossal win in Canada while raising stakes continuously....

 

[EbeeDog]

Chiming in

I have not posted on here for quite a while and fwiw Roulette, I would like to share some of my past beliefs about online gambling in general. (Please note that I rarely play anything except bj.)

-Doomsday Switch
-Rigged gaming
-Arcane mathematical formulas designed to bilk me personally out of my dough
-RTG tracks my betting habits from casino to casino
-As my bet goes up, the RTP goes down
..etc. etc.

On Casinomeister itself:

-Most of the members are affiliates and only pump their own casinos
-Bryan just doesn't "like" me and plays favorites (heh...my favorite
-They would subtly dismiss my arguments because it threatened their own interests.
..etc. etc. ....yeeesh..

All of these gripes eventually led me to flaming and trolling and being flagged for it. Not proud of that but in the interest of full disclosure...

Here is the main point: I was too close to the online thing, taking it way too personal and most of all, as somebody mentioned, disgruntled because I lost. Repeatedly. So I acted like an a**.

I am NOT saying you are doing the same thing or headed in the same direction. What I'm saying is, take a step back, go to a B&M and play, whatever it takes.

These folks on here are not your enemies. They have a lot more experience with this crap than end- users like you and I. Yes, there are some rather out-sized egos and whatnot, but the fact is you are probably playing at an accredited casino BECAUSE of their experience.

Almost done here. A few observations:

-If not for this site, I would have been preyed upon to the tune of thousands by rogue casinos.
-When I lose, it is ME losing, not somebody trying to take it away. I am the one that has my hand on the mouse.
-The minimum bet is your friend. The minimum bet is your friend. (Yes, I repeated that.)
-Casinos have to make money or there would not be any casinos, simplistic as that may sound.
-Whether online gambling has rigged software etc. or not, it doesn't even come close to the inane antics of other players at a typical bj table

Finally, this is not ass-kissing the Meister and others - I already enjoy a crappy rep and I really don't give a shit. But...but...but, I may need these folks someday so it will not be in my best interests to totally alienate myself.

Again Roulette, I am not dogging you or casting aspersions on your feelings, thoughts or beliefs. I just wanted to recount some of my misguided thinking in the past.

OY! That's my post for the year. Good Luck everybody.

 

[roulettedonkey]

(...) We suppose to believe your word that comes from your experience-the experience that you couldn't control yourself and put the all the winnings back to a casino- not comes from any data or any evidence?

Thank you for your input. I regret that the whole thing kept turning around the right time to time to withdraw, long term trend, probability of occurrence, impressions, etc. I'm guess I am to blame.

Hell by any means NO don't take any of my word for it, or for instance, the word of anyone.

And if until now you only trusted casinos/game designers are fair, and now you get the means of investing by yourself and you get solid proof that they are, wouldn't you be happier ? You have my total support in that mission (...)

-Most of the members are affiliates and only pump their own casinos

Huh. As I was continuing to write over and over again, that (I mean, your whole post of the year) came right on time to reconsider what's essential. Thank you.

 

[Paultje82]

Biggest mistakes I made when I started playing slots was when i had a huge win streak too just kept going, costed me alot.
If I have a good run now i set myself a limit and then i withdraw most of the time a part of it and then i stop playing or im switching casino.
Not in any way this works,but keep playing with a high bankroll always ends up in tears.

 

[roulettedonkey]

This is not really topic related but....

Deposited 30, plus 30 bonus.

Few spins.

Doom switch off

Up 500€. I try to crash it to 0 with max allowed bet during bonus.

Down 20€, then up 1'500€. Wagering requirement met.

Taking out a first few hundreds. All the time, I am like -_- : " it's not in my pocket yet".

Let's wait and see more randomness.

Tops at 2k'ish (+1st withdrawal)

During this journey, a dozen things like that happened in 5-6 games of the ~20 i played.
No screen of a funny 1000€ win on a 3€/spin at Monster from the Black Lagoon.

Balance 1800€, bet 8€

Balance 1900€, bet 7.5€

Plenty of more than generous consecutive x50, x300 bonus

Doom switch is on. In-games bonuses are now throttled to x4 to x12.

I stop with a four figure balance.

Thanks Mr Randomness.

Everything is random, every slot is independent, right ?

How many times do I see things like this happen in a play-for-fun session ? in a no bonus 100€ deposit session ? ...