Ukraine Mess

[Guntis]

He even left behind his golden toilet so I see.
Pokrovsk has fallen and Kupyansk is reported to be not far behind it. Reports are that it is not long before Ukraine will have to give up unless the war pigs come to their aid. so maybe they are using the above to oust Zelenski?

What's mad about Pokrovsk is that Ukraine is still trying to send more troops in there, like small groups of 10 of their best fighters from GUR. Yes, it shows they don't want to lose it just like that, but those troops get killed almost instantly based on reports. If they had more men, aviation, and heavy artillery like Russia has, they'd have a chance to push back. Otherwise, those troops are simply being sent to their deaths.

 

[Guntis]

It's a crazy view, and it isn't even FAB-5000 or FAB-9000.

 

[Guntis]

The EU doesn't like "stupid" questions.

 

[Guntis]

X is filled with these warriors.

 

[Guntis]

If this piece about Zelensky was from Russian media, I can bet some groups of people would say, oh it's all pure lies and Kremlin propaganda. But this comes from the Telegraph.

 

[geordiecolin]

If this piece about Zelensky was from Russian media, I can bet some groups of people would say, oh it's all pure lies and Kremlin propaganda. But this comes from the Telegraph.


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How long before Zelensky gets implicated personally from profiteering?

 

[geordiecolin]

It seems that the entire leadership of the Ukraine is outside of their country in Israel funnily enough as well as in the USA Turkey and other countries.
Lets hope the 28 point plan has merit

 

[Guntis]

How long before Zelensky gets implicated personally from profiteering?

No idea. But I think Anatoly has the most insightful view of how things work in Ukraine. He's Ukrainian and anti-Zelensky system. Most Western people probably won't understand many things he says because they'd need to learn first who he's talking about, why, and how it's all connected. There is tons of info on his Telegram channel: t.me/ASupersharij, and sometimes he posts on X:

 

[Guntis]

It seems that the entire leadership of the Ukraine is outside of their country in Israel funnily enough as well as in the USA Turkey and other countries.
Lets hope the 28 point plan has merit

There's a lot of talk now that former defense minister of Ukraine Rustem Umerov is not going to come back to Ukraine. But it could be speculation or just opinions, though there's no smoke without fire, and it all looks very odd.

 

[geordiecolin]

There's a lot of talk now that former defense minister of Ukraine Rustem Umerov is not going to come back to Ukraine. But it could be speculation or just opinions, though there's no smoke without fire, and it all looks very odd.

Two years ago there where images of Zelensky's wife on a very expensive spending spree in London but most ignored it. Having ministers steeling millions while Ukrainian people freeze over winter will not go down well and no atter what country they hide in they will not be safe. I suspect that most people just want it over with

 

[Guntis]

A sad sight. Today Moscow handed over the bodies of 1,000 Ukrainian soldiers and received the remains of 30 Russian ones.

 

[Guntis]

Two years ago there where images of Zelensky's wife on a very expensive spending spree in London but most ignored it. Having ministers steeling millions while Ukrainian people freeze over winter will not go down well and no atter what country they hide in they will not be safe. I suspect that most people just want it over with

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Not caught - not a thief.

 

[Guntis]

A few good comments here:

 

[geordiecolin]

It seems to now being a 28 point plan based on what Russia originally based their agreement first time around. Trump may have been correct when he said last year than Zalelensky had very few cards to play with. So many lives lost later and so much bullshit propaganda from the media later we are left with Zelenski telling his people more or less that he lost. The EU floundering and those with hate Russia upset.
They should get over it and realise that Russia where forced into it.

 

[Guntis]

It seems to now being a 28 point plan based on what Russia originally based their agreement first time around. Trump may have been correct when he said last year than Zalelensky had very few cards to play with. So many lives lost later and so much bullshit propaganda from the media later we are left with Zelenski telling his people more or less that he lost. The EU floundering and those with hate Russia upset.
They should get over it and realise that Russia where forced into it.

Any of these peace deals for Ukraine is essentially bad. I mean, they all have unfavorable terms. But if they don't accept one, things will only get worse, just like they did every time before.

Looking back, prolonging the conflict has never benefited Ukraine or the countries sending weapons and money. Every time, Ukraine ends up losing more soldiers and territory, and Europeans keep throwing cash and ammo down the drain.

 

[geordiecolin]

Any of these peace deals for Ukraine is essentially bad. I mean, they all have unfavorable terms. But if they don't accept one, things will only get worse, just like they did every time before.

Looking back, prolonging the conflict has never benefited Ukraine or the countries sending weapons and money. Every time, Ukraine ends up losing more soldiers and territory, and Europeans keep throwing cash and ammo down the drain.

This person summed it up

"The imperialist West has catastrophically lost its senseless proxy war against Russia. It cynically sacrificed Ukraine and its people on the altar of profit for the military-industrial complex and its pathological, decades-long obsession with crippling and dismembering the Russian state.zelensky—an obedient puppet hand-picked and installed by Washington and its NATO vassals—was put in power for one purpose only: to provoke an unwinnable war against a nuclear superpower that any individual with at least one functional brain cell knew would end in disaster. Nearly two million human beings have now been slaughtered in a conflict that was doomed from day one, all to advance the geopolitical fantasies of a decaying Atlanticist empire.When the inevitable collapse comes, zelensky will flee with tens of billions siphoned from Western “aid,” retiring to his Florida mansion and luxury estates while the Ukrainian nation he betrayed is reduced to a bombed-out, depopulated wasteland. Ukraine has been deliberately bled dry, its youth exterminated, its future mortgaged to BlackRock and the IMF—all so the neoliberal ruling class could pretend, for one last moment, that it still runs the world.This is not just a Ukrainian tragedy; it is one of the greatest crimes in modern history, and the blood is on the hands of every Western leader, think-tank strategist, and arms lobbyist who engineered this catastrophe…"
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Christopher Miller

 

[Guntis]

Madness...

Video: t.me/voenacher/87692

 

[Guntis]

Interesting:

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Grok says...

 

[Guntis]

There are a few YouTube channels like 'Ukraine Live Camera' where someone set up cameras in six or so Ukrainian cities to capture Russian missile strikes and make money from views. But this is something else.

A mad man, an affiliate of Polymarket decided to create a thing where you can gamble on whether Russia takes a settlement or village by a certain date.

 

[geordiecolin]

There are a few YouTube channels like 'Ukraine Live Camera' where someone set up cameras in six or so Ukrainian cities to capture Russian missile strikes and make money from views. But this is something else.

A mad man, an affiliate of Polymarket decided to create a thing where you can gamble on whether Russia takes a settlement or village by a certain date.

Given the numbers of money reported to have been laundered I can not see Americans or the European people allowing what is reportedly Ukraines demand that their be no investigation as part of the agreement

 

[Guntis]

Given the numbers of money reported to have been laundered I can not see Americans or the European people allowing what is reportedly Ukraines demand that their be no investigation as part of the agreement

I wouldn't mix Americans and Europeans. Most Europeans don't seem like care what happens with the money they send to Ukraine. The US has a different view of what's going on.

Stick "European Union" or "the EU" in X search and you'll see a lot of fun. Even better, search "Kaja Kallas." She's that Estonian weirdo from the EU that Rubio refused to meet for the second time.

 

[Guntis]

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[Guntis]

Locals think it's all done for show and nothing will be discovered.

 

[Guntis]

Huh...

The Telegraph wrote the story today, detailing how the Trump administration is set to recognize Russia's control over Crimea and other occupied areas as part of a 28-point peace framework.

This acknowledgment would lock in current front lines in regions such as Kherson and Zaporizhzhia, easing sanctions on Russia in exchange for a ceasefire and troop withdrawals from non-core areas.

 

[Guntis]

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Zelensky's closest ally, Yermak, decided to resign. What's happened?

 

[Guntis]

president.gov.ua/documents/8682025-57241

 

[Guntis]

“Yermak came with me and will leave together with me.”

Zelensky in June 2021.

 

[Guntis]

Thank fuck that both tankers were empty and nothing spilled into the sea. But huh... who's actually behind it? Surely Ukraine's job, but Ukraine couldn't pull off strikes like this in Turkish waters without outside help. They don't have their own satellites, and these sea drones need control and real time feeds with tanker moves.

 

[Guntis]

Both were the Chinese ships:

• Kairos, registered to Alafia Trading Ltd., a company based in Shanghai, China.
• Virat, owned by Glory Shipping HK Ltd., based in Hong Kong, China.

 

[Guntis]

 

[Guntis]

A shitposting job, around $20 a day. Lol...

 

[MichaelN]

“Yermak came with me and will leave together with me.”

Zelensky in June 2021.

and it's really funny

 

[Guntis]

and it's really funny

Thousands of those who believe in Ukrainian superheroes probably reckon that he's at the front already.

AI is getting out of hand again...

 

[Guntis]

 

[Guntis]

 

[Guntis]

Then there was a Twitter lion spotted...

 

[Guntis]

It's rather odd that Bild publishes stories unfavourable to Ukraine.

 

[Guntis]

From the Finantial Times article:

The European Central Bank has blocked a major EU plan to give Ukraine a €140 billion loan backed by frozen Russian assets. The ECB says the proposal is illegal under EU law.

The European Commission wanted the ECB to act as a safety net for this massive loan. If something went wrong and Russia suddenly got its assets back, the ECB would step in to prevent a crisis.

But the ECB concluded this would violate EU treaties because it would essentially be financing governments directly, which central banks can't do. This practice leads to high inflation and undermines central bank independence.

The timing makes this urgent. Ukraine needs funding for the next two years as it deals with intensified Russian attacks and uncertainty around US support. The EU has frozen about €210 billion in Russian assets since 2022, and the plan was to use these as collateral.

Belgium is particularly worried about the risks. Prime Minister Bart De Wever calls the plan "fundamentally wrong" and wants ironclad guarantees from all other EU countries before moving forward. His concern: if EU sanctions lapse (they need unanimous renewal every six months, and Hungary sometimes objects), Russia could demand its money back immediately. Euroclear, the Belgian institution holding these assets, would be stuck.

The European Commission is now scrambling to find alternative ways to provide the necessary backstop. EU leaders are supposed to decide on Ukraine funding at a December 18 summit, so they need a solution fast.

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[TheAddict]

2 years? There will be no Ukrainian males left to be dragged off the streets and sent to be killed before then. Or perhaps that's been the other part of Zelenskey's plan all along.

 

[Guntis]

From the Finantial Times article:

The European Central Bank has blocked a major EU plan to give Ukraine a €140 billion loan backed by frozen Russian assets. The ECB says the proposal is illegal under EU law.

The European Commission wanted the ECB to act as a safety net for this massive loan. If something went wrong and Russia suddenly got its assets back, the ECB would step in to prevent a crisis.

But the ECB concluded this would violate EU treaties because it would essentially be financing governments directly, which central banks can't do. This practice leads to high inflation and undermines central bank independence.

The timing makes this urgent. Ukraine needs funding for the next two years as it deals with intensified Russian attacks and uncertainty around US support. The EU has frozen about €210 billion in Russian assets since 2022, and the plan was to use these as collateral.

Belgium is particularly worried about the risks. Prime Minister Bart De Wever calls the plan "fundamentally wrong" and wants ironclad guarantees from all other EU countries before moving forward. His concern: if EU sanctions lapse (they need unanimous renewal every six months, and Hungary sometimes objects), Russia could demand its money back immediately. Euroclear, the Belgian institution holding these assets, would be stuck.

The European Commission is now scrambling to find alternative ways to provide the necessary backstop. EU leaders are supposed to decide on Ukraine funding at a December 18 summit, so they need a solution fast.

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They have an update:



I'd say if Europeans want the war in Ukraine to keep going, then at some point, and likely very soon, they'll have to take Russia's money. If not, their own taxpayers cash or national budgets will have to keep funding Ukraine's aid and ammo. The profits generated from those Russian assets won't be enough.

When the EU says Ukraine only repays if Russia ever covers war damages - That most likely sounds like a joke to the Russians.

 

[Guntis]

2 years? There will be no Ukrainian males left to be dragged off the streets and sent to be killed before then. Or perhaps that's been the other part of Zelenskey's plan all along.

Two years seems too long. They'll need to fill trenches with something or get the EU to pay for mercs or foreign volunteers, whatever they call them. Yes, they can train women and even grandmothers running drones, but they'd still need manpower to hold the frontline and go on the offensive at least at times.

I don't know whether it's true, but according to Ukraine's prosecutor general's office, they have around 311k AWOL and desertion cases since 2022. That covers 255k AWOLs and 56k desertions, with over 162k AWOL cases this year.

This 162,000 seems like a massive number, essentially over 10k a month disappeared this year. How many new recruits they get through busification and incentives a month, probably nobody knows.

Likely many want to run drones because it's relatively safe. Essentially you can put them together and fly them right from your bedroom towards the Russians. The game ends when somebody who needs a bit of cash grasses the spot to the Russians.

 

[Guntis]

Zelensky in Ireland. Check the most liked comments.

 

[Guntis]

The headlines in the papers and on TV should be funny in the following days. They'll sound like Putin is already going to war with Europe.

In reality, he said this:

Putin: "We are not going to go to war with Europe. I have already said this a hundred times. But if Europe suddenly wants to fight with us and starts, we are ready right now."

 

[Guntis]

Napoleon wants China to put pressure on Russia and keep Europe as a China's respected partner, not just a pawn in US-China rivalry.

 

[Guntis]

They have an update:



I'd say if Europeans want the war in Ukraine to keep going, then at some point, and likely very soon, they'll have to take Russia's money. If not, their own taxpayers cash or national budgets will have to keep funding Ukraine's aid and ammo. The profits generated from those Russian assets won't be enough.

When the EU says Ukraine only repays if Russia ever covers war damages - That most likely sounds like a joke to the Russians.

Belgian TV channel VRT:

The Belgian Parliament greeted with applause the refusal of the prime minister to hand over frozen Russian assets to the European Commission.

Video: t.me/ASupersharij/48858

 

[Guntis]

What happened to the Daily Mail? There used to be the pickle jar story where babushkas with cucumbers were smashing Russian drones. There was the Ukrainian grandma slingshotting Russian spies. The Ghost of Kyiv, supposedly an ace pilot who shot down six Russian jets in a single day over Kyiv. The chicken as anti-tank hero. A naked Ukrainian wrestler body-slamming a Russian soldier. Then there was the grandfather shooting down SU planes and keeping parts in his garage.

Now...

Golden lavatories in their bathrooms.

 

[Guntis]

There are two best ways to avoid busification off the streets in Ukraine and being sent to the front: you either have cash or a hand grenade. Having a nice dog seems to work too, huh...



busification.org is approaching 5,000 videos already.

 

[Guntis]

The Russians seem surprised by the quality of fake HIMARS in Ukraine.

Video: t.me/voenacher/75359

Real:

This one seems fake or decoy:

 

[Guntis]

This is Chechnya. Let's see if it was worth it.

Current situation:

 

[Guntis]

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This is Chechnya. Let's see if it was worth it.

Current situation:

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If you think about it, it's incredible how those things work. The Ukrainian side almost always knows what was launched and where it's roughly heading in real time.

MiG-31Ks are Kinzhal (or "dagger" in Eng) carriers.