Ukraine Mess

[Guntis]

Apart from shitposters and Western sources that work with Ukrainian CIPSO (a psyop), I'm seeing fewer stories about things like Russia using washing machine parts for military gear, Ukrainian babushkas downing drones with pickle jars, and granddads shooting down Su jets with rifles, etc. Decent authors are trying to be more adequate now, which makes sense - why keep people living in an illusion?

Don't count on a Russian economic collapse to save Ukraine, the Telegraph wrote.

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[Guntis]

The ginger one started shitposting as well, lol



Here's how it started:

 

[kg2025]

The ginger one started shitposting as well, lol



Here's how it started:

Lindsay Graham hasn't seen a War that he doesn't like . I think Russia were wrong to invade Ukraine but Americans can hardly complain about anyone invading/ attacking another country .

 

[mack341]

So since January Russia has lost men at 10x the rate of Ukraine, find this hard to believe. The initial invasion used 180,000 men iirc and was up against the best parts of the UKR army, fresh and determined, highly trained etc..so going by Trump's numbers here, they'd all have been decimated in a year and the invasion pushed back?

 

[TheAddict]

Why does the traitorous, child rapist protecting c*** of a president feel the need to capitalise the words "death" and "trump" ? Hard to tell anymore if his none American advisers are making a clown show out of him so he can take the fall or if he truly has just lost all self awareness. Though, being a gambler, I'd guess the safest bet would be both.

 

[Guntis]

Lindsay Graham hasn't seen a War that he doesn't like . I think Russia were wrong to invade Ukraine but Americans can hardly complain about anyone invading/ attacking another country .

Lindsey is a nutter, IMO. People like him create troubles for everyone. Here's him and McCain pissing in Ukrainian ears, not long after the above event.



Later on, Biden and Bojo added fuel to the fire. The result? Four Ukrainian territories said goodbye, billions in cash and weapons were dumped in, many people died, and geopolitics especially in Europe got messed up - and it keeps going. In 2022, Russia and Ukraine could have made peace before things heated up. Then Ukraine had way better position than it has now in 2025. Now Russia has much tougher conditions and things worsen.

As for Trump IMO, he plays the rockstar now who can control everything through trade tariffs and stop world wars to show that he can solve what others couldn't. It would work with Russia's case too, if Russia were interested in this - but not through ultimatums and tariff threats.

I'd also say Ukraine is just a pretext for Trump. The intent behind his actions is to show power in that region and find a way to quickly make money for the US. If the fighting stops, then what's the point they get from Ukraine? Mineral extraction? That would take ages just to set everything up for extraction, and they don't know whether it's really worth it.

Plus, if the fight stops, then weapon sales for Ukraine will stop overnight - which contradicts what he said recently about Europe buying weapons for Ukraine. Trump even touted cash benefits, saying "Each Patriot missile system costs roughly $1 billion"...

On the other hand, if the fight keeps going, he can then forget about Ukraine's minerals, which the US most likely knows, but weapon sales could mitigate those losses and bring back at least some of those billions that Biden sent to Ukraine.

It's a complicated matter.

In general, there is less to be gained from Ukraine by the day. BlackRock's move was a clear example of this when they stopped looking for investors for Ukraine's recovery.

 

[Guntis]

So since January Russia has lost men at 10x the rate of Ukraine, find this hard to believe. The initial invasion used 180,000 men iirc and was up against the best parts of the UKR army, fresh and determined, highly trained etc..so going by Trump's numbers here, they'd all have been decimated in a year and the invasion pushed back?

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Trump's always correct when he mentions Biden, lol

 

[mack341]

Lindsey is a nutter, IMO. People like him create troubles for everyone. Here's him and McCain pissing in Ukrainian ears, not long after the above event.



Later on, Biden and Johnson added fuel to the fire. The result? Four Ukrainian territories said goodbye, billions in cash and weapons were dumped in, many people died, and geopolitics got messed up - and it keeps going. In 2022, Russia and Ukraine could have made peace before things heated up. Then Ukraine had way better position than it has now in 2025. Now Russia has much tougher conditions and things worsen.

As for Trump IMO, he plays the rockstar now who can control everything through trade tariffs and stop world wars to show that he can solve what others couldn't. It would work with Russia's case too, if Russia were interested in this - but not through ultimatums and tariff threats.

I'd also say Ukraine is just a pretext for Trump. The intent behind his actions is to show power in that region and find a way to quickly make money for the US. If the fighting stops, then what's the point they get from Ukraine? Mineral extraction? That would take ages just to set everything up for extraction, and they don't know whether it's really worth it.

Plus, if the fight stops, then weapon sales for Ukraine will stop overnight - which contradicts what he said recently about Europe buying weapons for Ukraine. Trump even touted cash benefits, saying "Each Patriot missile system costs roughly $1 billion"...

On the other hand, if the fight keeps going, he can then forget about Ukraine's minerals, which the US most likely knows, but weapon sales could mitigate those losses and bring back at least some of those billions that Biden sent to Ukraine.

It's a complicated matter.

In general, there is less to be gained from Ukraine by the day. BlackRock's move was a clear example of this when they stopped looking for investors for Ukraine's recovery.

Could it be an extension of business acquisition, 'so the Ukraine, we lent you all this money and equipment so that you could fight to preserve your 'freedom'.

But as your country is now wrecked and you can't pay us back, how about you hand over the deeds to some of that farmland you have, the breadbasket of Europe' etc...

The elites think in the middle to long term, and Starmer's inheritance tax on farmers here in the uk will mean the selling off of family farms to big business.

 

[kg2025]

Could it be an extension of business acquisition, 'so the Ukraine, we lent you all this money and equipment so that you could fight to preserve your 'freedom'.

But as your country is now wrecked and you can't pay us back, how about you hand over the deeds to some of that farmland you have, the breadbasket of Europe' etc...

The elites think in the middle to long term, and Starmer's inheritance tax on farmers here in the uk will mean the selling off of family farms to big business.

Seen a few Lefties supporting the inheritance tax on farmers online , well they had no reply when told , that the people who'd end up buying the farms would be a corporations or investors , the same people you complain about non stop. They don't know their arse from their elbow , tax everyone and everything and let the goverment waste it . But maybe that's the goverments long term plan to sort out their rich buddys with land .

 

[Guntis]

Could it be an extension of business acquisition, 'so the Ukraine, we lent you all this money and equipment so that you could fight to preserve your 'freedom'.

But as your country is now wrecked and you can't pay us back, how about you hand over the deeds to some of that farmland you have, the breadbasket of Europe' etc...

The elites think in the middle to long term, and Starmer's inheritance tax on farmers here in the uk will mean the selling off of family farms to big business.

For countries that provide loan-based help to Ukraine, or those that Ukraine has promised something to in exchange for help, it's better if Ukraine doesn't lose. Otherwise, if things come under Russia's control, they'll get nothing.

I'd say the UK's key interest in Ukraine is its Odesa commercial seaport. Of course, no official source would tell us what Ukraine promised and to whom for this help. Even if some do and it's true, Ukrainians would say it's Russian lies.

Giving billions out of pure altruism? Lol, I don't believe in that. It's usually tied to trade or money making deals, or political partnerships. Nobody gives billions to anyone in aid, even after earthquakes, floods, or tsunamis.

 

[Guntis]

This is something unusual. Romanians watched the fire in Ukraine last night:

t.me/s/voenacher/84227

 

[geordiecolin]

This is something unusual. Romanians watched the fire in Ukraine last night:

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I have just learned that Ukraine are enlisting men above 60 years old to fight and as low as 14 which is in indication of their loses.
Meanwhile ex presidential candidate Ralf Nader has suggested this.

 

[slot_zombie]

I have just learned that Ukraine are enlisting men above 60 years old to fight and as low as 14 which is in indication of their loses.
Meanwhile ex presidential candidate Ralf Nader has suggested this.
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I don't think this correct.. 18 is minimum age and that's voluntary.

 

[geordiecolin]

I don't think this correct.. 18 is minimum age and that's voluntary.

Yes,14 yo was stretching things a bit but this is where I got it from. One fact which is true is that USA, the EU and the UN do not care how decimated the male population gets. Will they offer the Palistinians a safe haven?

 

[Guntis]

Ukrainians published a photo of a Shahed-type Russian drone, the Geran-2, showing its size:

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Though it's hard to tell what exact model it is because, from what I've read, the Russians have modified the model 2 about six times and it was a time ago. On May 9th in Moscow, these drones also looked different from the one above:

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The US version:

 

[Guntis]

 

[mack341]

I can't quite believe that, the deepstate would be highly tempted to seize him, I don't think he'd even personally visit some of the brics nations like Brazil.

But I guess if Trump is putting it out there like this, there's a strong chance of a meeting taking place

 

[Guntis]

I can't quite believe that, the deepstate would be highly tempted to seize him, I don't think he'd even personally visit some of the brics nations like Brazil.

But I guess if Trump is putting it out there like this, there's a strong chance of a meeting taking place

Nah, I don't think the US would go for something like taking him. That's more of a European thing. But that would start a war. The Trump-Putin meeting was most likely set up after Witcoff met with Putin in Moscow. What the outcome will be is hard to tell. But i think the fighting won't stop.

 

[mack341]

Nah, I don't think the US would go for something like taking him. That's more of a European thing. But that would start a war. The Trump-Putin meeting was most likely set up after Witcoff met with Putin in Moscow. What the outcome will be is hard to tell. But i think the fighting won't stop.

It is timely though to Trump's decision or intention to stick tariffs on Russia's trading partners, I think India is one.

Plus Trump needs a victory or some good news after Epstein and ME events that are damaging his public popularity.

I can't see Putin going unless it is to sign something and have the photos, even a ceasefire might be enough.

Zelensky has been in trouble, with crowds in kyiv angry at his taking over the corruption investigations, so it could be all these things coming together and major change is afoot?

 

[Guntis]

It is timely though to Trump's decision or intention to stick tariffs on Russia's trading partners, I think India is one.

Plus Trump needs a victory or some good news after Epstein and ME events that are damaging his public popularity.

I can't see Putin going unless it is to sign something and have the photos, even a ceasefire might be enough.

Zelensky has been in trouble, with crowds in kyiv angry at his taking over the corruption investigations, so it could be all these things coming together and major change is afoot?

These tariffs seem more like the US is testing their influence to see whether they can push around other countries like they've easily managed to do with the EU. They put 15% tariffs on most EU goods, plus forced them to buy $750B in US gas and invest $600B in the US. It's a crazy deal, lol.

But as for who really benefits from their tariffs, it doesn't seem like the US themselves. Here's what Grok says.

Trump can play with tariffs but it won't stop RU/UA fighting.

 

[Guntis]

I can't see Putin going unless it is to sign something and have the photos, even a ceasefire might be enough.

I think for Putin, the relationship between the countries is a key part of this meeting.

Zelensky won't agree to Russia's demands. It's clear from his X account that yesterday and today he was phoning to those in Europe for advice. What's interesting is the following:

 

[Guntis]

Based on X posts, it seems like Ukraine and its European supporters are trying to wreck the Trump-Putin meeting, doesn't it?

 

[geordiecolin]

Based on X posts, it seems like Ukraine and its European supporters are trying to wreck the Trump-Putin meeting, doesn't it?

They are happy to see the sensless murdering continue,but for what goal? Russia can go on and on.

Elsewhere there are videos of totally sensless murders of Doctors and Nurses by the new Syrian regime ( formerly known as AlQaida) at Sweida hospital simply because they are Druze. These are puppets placed in charge by Israel and America. The videos are to bad to be posted in this forum but the numbers must be way above 40.
No wonder our young around the world have no interest in conflicts or the military

 

[Guntis]

They are happy to see the sensless murdering continue,but for what goal? Russia can go on and on.

Many Europeans believed in a miracle and went all in when Sleepy Joe was in charge and Bojo hanging around, shot themselves in the foot, and then started cutting off their nose to spite their face.`

Europeans or anyone else who thinks they can do a harm to Russia by pushing Ukraine to keep fighting are fools. Yes, they can - but mainly Ukrainians will suffer in this case, not them sitting on warm beds. Sure, those BS bingo lists like '1,000 Russians killed, 27 tanks destroyed, 15 out of 11 Kinzhal missiles downed, and 378 Russian Shahed drones shot down in a night' sound good for shitposting on social media. But none of it helps Ukraine one bit in reality.

See this TG post from one of the Ukrainian senior lieutenants. I follow him, they post no-nonsense stuff for people about what's going on. The translation is a bit wonky because they use slang, but you can get the point about what they say and think about upcoming Trump-Putin talks.

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Another decent source I read about how Ukraine is doing is from a fighter with the call sign Muchnoj Jugend. They're into those German symbols a bit from WW2, but they're spot on when it comes to talking straight so their regular people know what's happening.

t.me/muchnoyairborn/12351

This moment probably is worth remembering, it was a hilarious time.



Since then the guy has been sitting and reading a script off the screen, like today.

 

[Guntis]

It would be interesting to see what would happen if Ukraine opened its borders so people could leave if they wanted to. Right now, everyone is locked in the country, and places are only evacuated when there's already fighting in the area.

 

[Guntis]

Frontline cats. There must be dozens of them about.

 

[Guntis]

 

[Guntis]

One of the Azov commanders, Bohdan Krotevych, addressed Zelensky yesterday.

Dear Mr President,

I honestly don’t know what exactly is being reported to you, but I’m informing you: on the Pokrovsk–Kostiantynivka line, it’s, without exaggeration, an absolute shambles. And this shambles has been growing for a long time, worsening with each passing day...



They're talking about the event where Russian troops broke through into unfortified areas behind Ukrainian defense lines.

 

[Guntis]

The president of the European Central Bank, Christine Lagarde, was asked what she thinks about Putin and Trump. It was easy for her to describe Putin but not Trump, lol..

 

[Guntis]

Looks like Russia's delegation has already arrived in Alaska, ready to rock & roll with Trump. It should be interesting if they let journalists ask questions.

 

[Guntis]

Two more Russian planes are heading to Anchorage, Alaska. The one above was tracked by over 76k people.

 

[Guntis]

Over 460k people thought this was Putin's plane, which had just landed, but it wasn't, lol

 

[Guntis]

 

[geordiecolin]

Whatever the politics lets hope they can come to a lasting agreement soon

 

[Guntis]

Whatever the politics lets hope they can come to a lasting agreement soon

True, but i don't see the UA/RU conflict ending soon.

Let's see how Monday goes.

 

[Guntis]

 

[Guntis]

A comedy film awaits in the White House today if they let Europeans in along with Trump and Zelensky, and allow journalists to ask questions.

 

[geordiecolin]

A comedy film awaits in the White House today if they let Europeans in along with Trump and Zelensky, and allow journalists to ask questions.

No doubt that the EU Countries leaders will rush to Zelenski's defence if Trump tries to get mouthy.But fingers crossed for a quick solution

 

[Guntis]

No doubt that the EU Countries leaders will rush to Zelenski's defence if Trump tries to get mouthy.But fingers crossed for a quick solution

I's say if Europeans and Zelensky come to the White House with the same talk they've been having daily, then there will be no solution for ending the RU-UA conflict. They'd better in this case just get some food and take photos at 2:30 PM...

 

[geordiecolin]

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I's say if Europeans and Zelensky come to the White House with the same talk they've been having daily, then there will be no solution for ending the RU-UA conflict. They'd better in this case just get some food and take photos at 2:30 PM...

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Somebody has been evesdropping

 

[Guntis]

Somebody has been evesdropping

Here's his new message

 

[Guntis]

The fun already is starting>

 

[Guntis]

I'm watching the action here. He's got cameras showing both embassies:

 

[geordiecolin]

I'm watching the action here. He's got cameras showing both embassies:

I'm watching the action here. He's got cameras showing both embassies:

That guy presenting on Agender gets very upset very easily.

It looks like Zelenski has been set up to fail by his own people

 

[Guntis]

That guy presenting on Agender gets very upset very easily.

It looks like Zelenski has been set up to fail by his own people

Zelensky seems fine this time at the White House, better clothes, thanking everyone after every word, and looks better than he did in Europe a few days ago.



Now with Trump:

 

[Guntis]

Every time Trump mentions Biden, I go LOL. This time he said that Joe Biden wasn't smart even 40 years ago.

 

[Guntis]

From yesterday’s White House meeting, only this makes sense to me, but it clashes with Russia’s demands for Ukraine’s demilitarization and no NATO ties. Bringing money to the US is what Trump wants, and that’s what Europeans offered.

Ukraine will promise to buy $100bn of American weapons financed by Europe as part of a deal to obtain US guarantees for its security after a peace settlement with Russia, according to a document seen by the Financial Times.

The thing is, nobody knows what Putin is offering the US that would stop the conflict and benefit both the US and Russia in a long run. I'm pretty sure they have more to offer than the Europeans, even stuff they don't really need like a lithium mine near Shevchenko village in Ukraine. Lithium is critical for the US, and they rely on China for it. Plus, for the US it's much easier and more beneficial to deal with Russia than with Ukraine.

And I don't think the US cares about who owns the territories that Ukraine lost during the conflict, unless there's something in those territories that was promised to the US earlier. But even then, it can be sorted out with Russia.

The point also is how to stop the conflict so everyone's OK, which isn't simple. What each side wants goes almost 100% against the other.

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This was good one,

 

[Guntis]

The day before yesterday, Ukraine attacked the Nikolskaya oil pumping station that sends oil to Hungary and Slovakia. Both countries have confirmed supply disruptions. Russia is rebuilding it.

Some were cheering, and it looked like a good PR stunt before Zelensky's meeting with Trump at the WH. What's odd is that Ukraine imports about 50% of its electricity from those same countries, lol.. Then comes the usual routine:

 

[geordiecolin]

Trump even took over the live commentary for Fox which gave us a glimps of what he truely thought of his visitors

 

[geordiecolin]

This guy was a member of Ukraine parliement until Zelenski threw him in prison but he is highlighting that Zelenski has no mandate because the people do not support him and there is no elections after his term has passed.
So opposition is beginning to be heard.