Ukraine Mess

[Guntis]

He would be better off staying here to figure out how to stop boats with illegal immigrants coming to the UK.

 

[TheAddict]

Give me a 2 man team and I could stop the boats.
I know every single inch of the White Cliffs of Dover. Am almost undoubtedly still the youngest person to climb up the side of them without a rope or pathway.
I know all the air raid shelters, every possible path intruders could try to take to get to the top and which paths are dead ends. If they run, I'll already know where they're heading, or where they're not.

All I ask is for an unlimited supply of (the badass, extra heavy) ball bearings for my BB gun, a legal right to import those extra large french firecrackers, and 2 dudes that ain't afraid of death or rape.

 

[Webzcas]

The King of Drones has only gone and done it again!

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[geordiecolin]

The King of Drones has only gone and done it again!

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I am really unsure why you seem so excited?
One pillar has some damage. The road had debrise from the blast on it so was closed for a few hours.
The Crimea bridge is also three bridges, two roadway bridges and a rail bridge so one underwater drone is unlikely to effect too much.
How about simply wanting it all to stop?

 

[Guntis]

Current reactions on Ukrainian channels:

The top one says "the Crimean bridge is closed." Everyone seems happy judging by the reactions, and the second one, after 4 minutes, is about a "ballistic missile threat, Oreshnik."

I'd say Russia is preparing something, but they won't fire Oreshnik since there are generally no valuable targets in Ukraine worth targeting with it. They'll likely just use a combination of fires with Iskander missiles + Geran drones against multiple targets across the country at once.

 

[geordiecolin]

Current reactions on Ukrainian channels:

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The top one says "the Crimean bridge is closed." Everyone seems happy judging by the reactions, and the second one, after 4 minutes, is about a "ballistic missile threat, Oreshnik."

I'd say Russia is preparing something, but they won't fire Oreshnik since there are generally no valuable targets in Ukraine worth targeting with it. They'll likely just use a combination of fires with Iskander missiles + Geran drones against multiple targets across the country at once.

Something is incoming so it seems.

 

[Webzcas]

 

[Guntis]

Something is incoming so it seems.

Yeah, that's an air raid siren in Kyiv. It seems like as soon as the Ukrainians hit something in Russia, they put it on. I don't think the Russians will fire anything during daytime. It usually begins late in the evenings.

 

[Guntis]

Quick. But more attacks should be expected.

 

[Guntis]

They were planes at an airfield, and not 40 as Ukrainians say but 8 (7 Tu planes and 1 An). Otherwise, Ukrainian TG channels would explode with videos. But there are none - except for those that are all over the internet now.

Not that it matters to me, but I was nearly correct without the satellite images, lol. It's amazing how terrible Western media is with research. What actually happened is that planes at Ivanovo and Dyagilevo air bases were not hit, only at Belaya and Olenya.

Today's article:

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[Guntis]

There is a public version that this is all about German Taurus missiles that they said they aren't sending, but in reality the missiles are going to be modified, renamed, and used against Russia, so it doesn't look like Germany is giving missiles to Ukraine to fight Russia but rather that Ukraine made their own.

Oh, people on X are talking about exactly that now:

 

[Guntis]

I see different inventions almost every day on TG, mostly with drones and mines. But this one is new. The rabbit's meat obviously went to a barbecue, and the skin to wrap a bomb.

 

[mack341]

Interesting aside that I heard, which is that the bombers have to be out in the open due to the nuclear agreements from the cold war era.

If true, and the info source is solid, then I can see Putin being even more pissed off, although I think the reporting in our media has overstated the damage inflicted.

It was a clever operation, have my doubts it was entirely carried out by Ukrainian operatives with no help from outside agencies.

The thing is it'll be the average citizen of the Ukraine, living near to a target or the war in the east that will bear the brunt of any russian retaliation.

Was reading in the newspaper on Saturday that Klitschko and Zelensky are not exactly on friendly terms and seeing eye to eye, some of Vitali's associates have been investigated/arrested for fraud, and it's been looked upon as deliberate targeting, because Klitschko is too big and popular to be taken down himself.

I can see him taking over at some point in the future.

 

[Guntis]

 

[Guntis]

 

[Guntis]

Interesting aside that I heard, which is that the bombers have to be out in the open due to the nuclear agreements from the cold war era.

If true, and the info source is solid, then I can see Putin being even more pissed off, although I think the reporting in our media has overstated the damage inflicted.

It was a clever operation, have my doubts it was entirely carried out by Ukrainian operatives with no help from outside agencies.

The thing is it'll be the average citizen of the Ukraine, living near to a target or the war in the east that will bear the brunt of any russian retaliation.

Was reading in the newspaper on Saturday that Klitschko and Zelensky are not exactly on friendly terms and seeing eye to eye, some of Vitali's associates have been investigated/arrested for fraud, and it's been looked upon as deliberate targeting, because Klitschko is too big and popular to be taken down himself.

I can see him taking over at some point in the future.

I think it has more to do with the treaty signed in 2010 between Russia and the US. But Russia, as far as i remember, suspended its participation in 2023.

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[Guntis]

Something new every day, lol. The Ukrainians aren't happy here because the Russians are testing things, and looks like they're using a bigger drone to drop off a smaller one somewhere behind their lines. This is likely what both will start doing soon but in a more advanced way.

 

[Webzcas]

 

[Webzcas]

 

[slaman29]

Not such a big damage as Ukraine would like I think but the embarassment for Putin is big. Prepare bigger slap back. No ceasefire for sure.

 

[Webzcas]

Oh I don't know about that, especially now the satellite images of the airfields after the drone attacks have been released. But yes, incredibly embarrassing for Russia, even if the total of destroyed aircraft is less than the 40 originally thought that were hit.

 

[Guntis]

This was probably the biggest hit Ukrainians made last night. It's a storage of aircraft fuel or oil products. Two or three of those containers were hit. Those red squares are fires fixed from Nasa.

Videos: t.me/astrapress/83087

It's near to Engels airbase from which Russian bombers Tu-95 usually take off.

 

[Guntis]

From Ukrainian sources: a map of the approximate route of Russian UAVs and missiles. June 6, 2025 (night).

What this means is that there is no safe place even in Western Ukraine. This video, taken from t.me/lost_armour and published on X, is from last night when the Lutsk Repair Plant "Motor" was hit, which is around 50 miles from the Polish border. It's the only plant where they repair engines for MiG-29 fighters, but what is actually in there is hard to tell.

 

[Guntis]

 

[Guntis]

A "key" question is floating about:

Just invite Yermak instead.

 

[geordiecolin]

Is he admitting that he was the puppet master during Bidens tenure?

 

[Guntis]

Is he admitting that he was the puppet master during Bidens tenure?

Well yes that's what he said, but i don't think that he's the one who ended Nord Stream 2. Trump is someone who can say something one day and then later claim he doesn't remember saying it, and there's nothing one can do about it.

 

[Guntis]

Ukrainians aren't happy with the F16 planes and Patriots. Do they have anything better?

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[geordiecolin]

Ukrainians aren't happy with the F16 planes and Patriots. Do they have anything better?

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Ukraine are fucked no matter what bombast their supporters post. Unless it goes to WW3.

 

[Guntis]

Ukraine are fucked no matter what bombast their supporters post. Unless it goes to WW3.

This played a big role:

 

[mack341]

One can't fail to be in awe of the Ukrainian bravery, the men who survive this war when it eventually ends will never forget their fallen.

But then bearing that in mind, I can't help feeling anger and loathing of the politicians, making decisions that will only prolong the inevitable, when they have literally no skin in the game, nothing.

 

[Guntis]

One can't fail to be in awe of the Ukrainian bravery, the men who survive this war when it eventually ends will never forget their fallen.

But then bearing that in mind, I can't help feeling anger and loathing of the politicians, making decisions that will only prolong the inevitable, when they have literally no skin in the game, nothing.

I bet that neither the UK, France, nor Germany even understands what the actual reason is for why those countries are fighting. And it's not that they care about Ukrainians as they claim - they simply hate Russians for some reason. Many others just go along. If they cared about Ukraine and Ukrainians, then helping to stop the fighting would be the most logical approach.

By the way, there is a hot topic brewing about the fallen. During the last talks in Istanbul, they agreed to return the bodies of dead soldiers (6,000 for 6,000). The Russian side said that they have over 6,000 bodies, many of which have been identified, and if Ukraine has any to exchange, then they can load them into the Russian refrigerator lorries, and Russia will take them away.

Now I see many people are saying that Ukraine is refusing the exchange, like this poster on X. His post isn't entirely correct, likely because he doesn't understand Russian and uses translators for content that he finds on Telegram or other sources.



What happened is that Russia in addition offered to stop the fighting for 2-3 days so they could pick up the dead from the frontline and hand them over to the opposite side for burial. Zelensky refused that. But I haven't heard about refusing the exchange altogether.

However, there are rumors among Ukrainians that Zelensky avoids taking the dead bodies because they'd then need to pay death benefits to the relatives/parents, which would amount to over $2 billion for 6,000.

Many also reckon that Ukrainians simply don't have this many dead Russian soldier bodies, or have way fewer, which would make them look foolish because they claim massive Russian deaths daily.

 

[mack341]

I bet that neither the UK, France, nor Germany even understands what the actual reason is for why those countries are fighting. And it's not that they care about Ukrainians as they claim - they simply hate Russians for some reason. Many others just go along. If they cared about Ukraine and Ukrainians, then helping to stop the fighting would be the most logical approach.

By the way, there is a hot topic brewing about the fallen. During the last talks in Istanbul, they agreed to return the bodies of dead soldiers (6,000 for 6,000). The Russian side said that they have over 6,000 bodies, many of which have been identified, and if Ukraine has any to exchange, then they can load them into the Russian refrigerator lorries, and Russia will take them away.

Now I see many people are saying that Ukraine is refusing the exchange, like this poster on X. His post isn't entirely correct, likely because he doesn't understand Russian and uses translators for content that he finds on Telegram or other sources.



What happened is that Russia in addition offered to stop the fighting for 2-3 days so they could pick up the dead from the frontline and hand them over to the opposite side for burial. Zelensky refused that. But I haven't heard about refusing the exchange altogether.

However, there are rumors among Ukrainians that Zelensky avoids taking the dead bodies because they'd then need to pay death benefits to the relatives/parents, which would amount to over $2 billion for 6,000.

Many also reckon that Ukrainians simply don't have this many dead Russian soldier bodies, or have way fewer, which would make them look foolish because they claim massive Russian deaths daily.

Yes there is an historic hatred or grudge against russia and russians amongst some of the elites, but also in countries like Poland. Some of that relates to the communist era under Stalin, he was a ruthless psychopath so ordered a lot of horrible things to happen. (In Ukraine and Poland)

Other than that era, afaik Russia has never really done much invading into Europe, it has more than enough land to rule over not to want more. In the future China might even want to take a bit off their hands in the east.

So I don't buy the argument this war needs to be won to protect the main part of europe from russian invasion.

Geographically Ukraine has to be a neutral bridge between east and west imo, how they do that politically when they also have had long term endemic corruption issues is the big challenge.

Being that bridge they could make a lot of money and benefit as a go between, but I suppose that's highly unlikely now, far too much killing & destruction has gone on for relations to be restored in a genuine way.

 

[Guntis]

Yes there is an historic hatred or grudge against russia and russians amongst some of the elites, but also in countries like Poland. Some of that relates to the communist era under Stalin, he was a ruthless psychopath so ordered a lot of horrible things to happen. (In Ukraine and Poland)

Yeah, i know a bit about Poland's history. But i never understood how they forgave Germany after Nazi Germany occupied half the country, built extermination camps there, and planned to remove the Polish nation... This was part of Generalplan Ost, the Nazi blueprint. The Soviets essentially freed them from all this, and only set up a government in the country controlled from Moscow. Yea it sucks being a puppet, but still better than if the first one had happened

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, according to Wikipedia (.en).

 

[Guntis]

So I don't buy the argument this war needs to be won to protect the main part of europe from russian invasion.

That's a Ukrainian thing that (apparently) made Europeans believe it - if you won't support us, you're next. Nonsense.

 

[Guntis]

Geographically Ukraine has to be a neutral bridge between east and west imo, how they do that politically when they also have had long term endemic corruption issues is the big challenge.

They have an anticorruption bureau which was set up relatively recently. Their site is also available in English, even though the country isn't English-speaking. So it could be that they want to show Europeans and others their work.

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[Guntis]

The Russians hit the "Bolshevik" plant in Kyiv in June 2025, but what was underneath is intriguing. The plant was started by two Czechs in the 1880s and became the biggest maker of sugar production equipment in the Russian Empire. It later became known as the Kyiv Machine-Building Plant. After WW2, besides military products, it produced equipment for building the metro.

By 2020, most of it was largely abandoned, with only a few worker remaining:

In 2021 it was sold via auction:

glavcom.ua/kyiv/publications/hto-kupiv-bilshovik-ta-shcho-z-cogo-mozhe-viyti-794851.html

After the missile strike, the following image appeared online. I don't know how they connected the pictured bunker with the Bolshevik plant basement.

P.S. You can visit the URL shown in the corner. They have images of bunkers, factories, and different underground facilities across Europe, but you won't get anywhere because they only allow accounts via invitation.

The next images show what appears to be a UAV production facility with a modern industrial appearance. The white columns their shape, and floor height look identical to those in the previous image.

This image shows where the missile hit. You can see there are some newly built or refurbished places next to the factory.

What's interesting is that there was another explosion from underground later after the missile hit. Was it one of Zelensky and NATO's meeting bunkers and one of UAV production places in Ukraine? Could be.

He's got TG videos in the comments:

 

[Guntis]

Someone with Down syndrome from the Daily Mail team who only found out where Ukraine is in 2022 decided to write a story claiming that Russia could launch a nuclear strike on Odessa or Kyiv.

The reactions of Ukrainians:

 

[Guntis]

I bet that neither the UK, France, nor Germany even understands what the actual reason is for why those countries are fighting. And it's not that they care about Ukrainians as they claim - they simply hate Russians for some reason. Many others just go along. If they cared about Ukraine and Ukrainians, then helping to stop the fighting would be the most logical approach.

By the way, there is a hot topic brewing about the fallen. During the last talks in Istanbul, they agreed to return the bodies of dead soldiers (6,000 for 6,000). The Russian side said that they have over 6,000 bodies, many of which have been identified, and if Ukraine has any to exchange, then they can load them into the Russian refrigerator lorries, and Russia will take them away.

Now I see many people are saying that Ukraine is refusing the exchange, like this poster on X. His post isn't entirely correct, likely because he doesn't understand Russian and uses translators for content that he finds on Telegram or other sources.



What happened is that Russia in addition offered to stop the fighting for 2-3 days so they could pick up the dead from the frontline and hand them over to the opposite side for burial. Zelensky refused that. But I haven't heard about refusing the exchange altogether.

However, there are rumors among Ukrainians that Zelensky avoids taking the dead bodies because they'd then need to pay death benefits to the relatives/parents, which would amount to over $2 billion for 6,000.

Many also reckon that Ukrainians simply don't have this many dead Russian soldier bodies, or have way fewer, which would make them look foolish because they claim massive Russian deaths daily.

 

[Guntis]

This is the news that WPLG shows in the US. What do you notice?

 

[geordiecolin]

This is the news that WPLG shows in the US. What do you notice?

I guessed that Israel where looking to see Gazans flee to the Ukraine

 

[Guntis]

I guessed that Israel where looking to see Gazans flee to the Ukraine

Yes, they didn't even bother to put in some real videos like there is no difference. Madness.

 

[geordiecolin]

Yes, they didn't even bother to put in some real videos like there is no difference. Madness.

So manipulative. No wonder the media is so distrusted

 

[Guntis]

Ukraine has taken 1,212 bodies. Russians got 27.

 

[Guntis]

This img shows a burning residential building in Kharkiv. What do you think caused this to happen? The reason is simple but not obvious.

 

[geordiecolin]

This img shows a burning residential building in Kharkiv. What do you think caused this to happen? The reason is simple but not obvious.


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It looks like a Seseme Street kid got upset about getting banned from buying credits on minecraft.

 

[Guntis]

It looks like a Seseme Street kid got upset about getting banned from buying credits on minecraft.

Hah, this one is a bit different. There are plenty of people who don't understand how Russian drones fall onto residential areas.

 

[Guntis]

When a special correspondent Chuck needs to quickly knock up a story:



It's a wonderful piece by Chuck for those who read and listen to war stories with their mouths agape. Chuck even added a damaged building from Israeli strikes in Tehran and got over 100 X reposts, lol.

 

[geordiecolin]

When a special correspondent Chuck needs to quickly knock up a story:



It's a wonderful piece by Chuck for those who read and listen to war stories with their mouths agape. Chuck even added a damaged building from Israeli strikes in Tehran and got over 100 X reposts, lol.

If Israels bombs are so precice then why have there been so many women and children killed in Gaza?

 

[Guntis]

If Israels bombs are so precice then why have there been so many women and children killed in Gaza?

I have no idea how those in Israel think or what they want to do, but one reason why we see so many people getting killed could be the tunnel networks under Gaza. The entrances and exits might be near or even right inside hospitals, schools, residential buildings, etc. So when Israel fires a missile at these tunnels, they hit a lot of civilians.

In Ukraine, there are also lots of Soviet pre and post WW2 tunnels, bunkers, and underground structures, including ones for Kyiv elites. There's lots of info on Yandex, and you could find even more details in old Russian books or magazines. Russians definitely know where these are. But when Russian drones hit civilian targets, there's a simple explanation.

A good example is in this video, he shot down a drone, and guess what it fell onto?



Now imagine Ukrainian air defense trying to shoot down Shahed-type drones above a big city like Kyiv or Odessa with heavy machine guns. The damaged parts will fall onto whatever is below and set it on fire, especially when they hit a drone slightly and it gets knocked off course while carrying a warhead.

But in general, there's no reason for either side to target civilians because both would rather destroy something of military value.

Still, why such things happen is hard to tell: