Ukraine Mess

[geordiecolin]

And Churchill was always pissed while allowing those he engaged with see him naked so it seems. I would rather be a nobody posting in a random forum

 

[Guntis]

Some Ukrainians aren't happy with Trump's talk. "Why would Putin go if I'm not going?" - lol. Trump being Trump, as usual...



But it was clear Putin wouldn't be there because for negotiations like these they have dedicated teams. Aside from that, the Ukraine Defence Council has a decree that states no direct talks with Putin are possible.

Also, everyone remembers how things ended when Zelensky tried to deal with Americans at the White House on his own... Russians wouldn't want a similar show to happen. They don't even see Zelensky as the legitimate president.

What they will likely agree on today is a prisoner exchange, not much more I think. But let's see.

 

[Guntis]

Zelensky-Erdogan meeting has ended. Where Zelensky gonna move now?

 

[Guntis]

Zelensky-Erdogan meeting has ended. Where Zelensky gonna move now?

 

[Guntis]

 

[Guntis]

What they will likely agree on today is a prisoner exchange, not much more I think. But let's see.

It's what I thought. POW exchange, 1000 for 1000. Not much more in terms of ending the fight.

These are Russia's representatives.



I wonder whether the Russians will include mercs like James Scott (t.me/TrackAMerc/10760) or not? It could be that they prioritize Ukrainians but on the other hand, why would they keep and feed a foreigner on taxpayers money for 19 years in prison.

 

[Guntis]

This event happened this morning. I always thought all training camps were set up somewhere in western Ukraine, near Poland and Romania, far from the fighting. Having one just 20 miles away is handy but crazy.

 

[Guntis]

This event happened this morning. I always thought all training camps were set up somewhere in western Ukraine, near Poland and Romania, far from the fighting. Having one just 20 miles away is handy but crazy.




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This is how some Ukrainian fighters feel about running training camps near the front lines.

t.me/stanislav_osman/8962

 

[geordiecolin]

This is how some Ukrainian fighters feel about running training camps near the front lines.

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Seems like a very stark indication that some people are happy to see a slaughter of their own young adults.
Maybe they have shares in Ukrainian dating sites?

 

[Guntis]

Seems like a very stark indication that some people are happy to see a slaughter of their own young adults.
Maybe they have shares in Ukrainian dating sites?

Yes, things aren't going well there. There's no trust and it's a mess. Here's the latest info I've seen. These aren't Daily Mail tales. Both are some of the main Ukrainian TG channels where they write for their own people, not polished stories for Western media. One works for Ukraine's defense intelligence, and the other is a prominent journalist.

Both pieces are translations with small edits for clarity. Links to Telegram sources included.

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Picture: Oleksandr Shyrshyn (Magura)

I supported the Kursk operation in its early stages, but in recent months it feels like they're trying to eliminate us," - 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade Battalion Commander Shyrshyn.

While conducting operations in the Kursk region and along the Ukrainian-Russian border, the battalion commander of the 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade Oleksandr, faced tasks that were seemingly doomed to fail and unnecessarily put his personnel at high risk of casualties.

Before going public with my statement, I made numerous official and unofficial appeals about the feasibility of these missions, offering alternative proposals to various levels of our command. Almost all my appeals were ignored (except for one, thanks to the commander of the 117th Brigade).

Due to the lack of appropriate response, I wrote this post with a simple goal: we need to change our management approach and realistically assess our capabilities.

t.me/ButusovPlus/19981

censor.net/ua/n3553421

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Picture: Mykhailo Drapaty

To all who rob their own brigade, abuse their brothers-in-arms, and profit from blood. The retribution will be harsh — Commander of the Khortytsia Operational Strategic Group and the Land Forces of Ukraine Mykhailo Drapatyi on the scandal with the 155th Separate Mechanized Brigade.

pravda.com.ua/articles/2025/05/19/7512834/

Recently, "Ukrainian Pravda" published information about a business scheme involving combat pay in the 155th Separate Mechanized Brigade, which may implicate commanders in the brigade.

Very often in such cases, the authors of these materials might simply receive direct or indirect threats and there could be a coordinated response from other commanders claiming everything is fine and there are no problems, but not in this case.

Soldiers and commanders often note Drapatyi's fairness. And in this particular case, an additional investigation was ordered and an honest answer was given to society.

To manage such a complex brigade, newly formed from mobilized citizens, requires a person with experience, character, leadership, vision of systemic problems, and organizational talent. Finding such people is a real challenge.

Therefore, not all personnel decisions may appear justified and understandable to the public. To evaluate this, one needs to deeply understand the state of affairs in the unit and have an idea of the personnel reserve in the Armed Forces.

But whatever the achievements, I will not cover for anyone — for me, no one is untouchable. I await the results of all investigations and what the inquiry will establish. The State Bureau of Investigation's investigation is still ongoing.

The command of the military grouping fully supports exposing all those involved in extortion. I want to emphasize to everyone who sets up similar schemes: robs their own brigade, abuses their brothers-in-arms, profits from blood. The retribution will be harsh.

Currently, Ukrainian society is going through a difficult period, which physically is nowhere near what it was at the beginning of 2022, but is psychologically many times more difficult. In such times, there must be trust between the people and the army, and it cannot be lost.

t.me/DeepStateUA/21857

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What happened was that drone operators had to pay kickbacks from their combat bonuses to commanders "for battalion needs". They also had to spend their own money on drone repairs and upgrades because the military issued drones lacked proper tech to fight Russian electronic warfare systems. In March 2025, one of their lieutenants was arrested.

Strange. Where are all the millions and billions going that they get from Europe? The main drones they use cost peanuts, and they come from their own private factories. Only some electronics come from China.

Full article:

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(it's in Ukrainian, just give me a shout if you don't know how to read it)

 

[geordiecolin]

Yes, things aren't going well there. There's no trust and it's a mess. Here's the latest info I've seen. These aren't Daily Mail tales. Both are some of the main Ukrainian TG channels where they write for their own people, not polished stories for Western media. One works for Ukraine's defense intelligence, and the other is a prominent journalist.

Both pieces are translations with small edits for clarity. Links to Telegram sources included.

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Picture: Oleksandr Shyrshyn (Magura)

I supported the Kursk operation in its early stages, but in recent months it feels like they're trying to eliminate us," - 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade Battalion Commander Shyrshyn.

While conducting operations in the Kursk region and along the Ukrainian-Russian border, the battalion commander of the 47th Separate Mechanized Brigade Oleksandr, faced tasks that were seemingly doomed to fail and unnecessarily put his personnel at high risk of casualties.

Before going public with my statement, I made numerous official and unofficial appeals about the feasibility of these missions, offering alternative proposals to various levels of our command. Almost all my appeals were ignored (except for one, thanks to the commander of the 117th Brigade).

Due to the lack of appropriate response, I wrote this post with a simple goal: we need to change our management approach and realistically assess our capabilities.

t.me/ButusovPlus/19981

censor.net/ua/n3553421

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Picture: Mykhailo Drapaty

To all who rob their own brigade, abuse their brothers-in-arms, and profit from blood. The retribution will be harsh — Commander of the Khortytsia Operational Strategic Group and the Land Forces of Ukraine Mykhailo Drapatyi on the scandal with the 155th Separate Mechanized Brigade.

pravda.com.ua/articles/2025/05/19/7512834/

Recently, "Ukrainian Pravda" published information about a business scheme involving combat pay in the 155th Separate Mechanized Brigade, which may implicate commanders in the brigade.

Very often in such cases, the authors of these materials might simply receive direct or indirect threats and there could be a coordinated response from other commanders claiming everything is fine and there are no problems, but not in this case.

Soldiers and commanders often note Drapatyi's fairness. And in this particular case, an additional investigation was ordered and an honest answer was given to society.

To manage such a complex brigade, newly formed from mobilized citizens, requires a person with experience, character, leadership, vision of systemic problems, and organizational talent. Finding such people is a real challenge.

Therefore, not all personnel decisions may appear justified and understandable to the public. To evaluate this, one needs to deeply understand the state of affairs in the unit and have an idea of the personnel reserve in the Armed Forces.

But whatever the achievements, I will not cover for anyone — for me, no one is untouchable. I await the results of all investigations and what the inquiry will establish. The State Bureau of Investigation's investigation is still ongoing.

The command of the military grouping fully supports exposing all those involved in extortion. I want to emphasize to everyone who sets up similar schemes: robs their own brigade, abuses their brothers-in-arms, profits from blood. The retribution will be harsh.

Currently, Ukrainian society is going through a difficult period, which physically is nowhere near what it was at the beginning of 2022, but is psychologically many times more difficult. In such times, there must be trust between the people and the army, and it cannot be lost.

t.me/DeepStateUA/21857

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What happened was that drone operators had to pay kickbacks from their combat bonuses to commanders "for battalion needs". They also had to spend their own money on drone repairs and upgrades because the military issued drones lacked proper tech to fight Russian electronic warfare systems. In March 2025, one of their lieutenants was arrested.

Strange. Where are all the millions and billions going that they get from Europe? The main drones they use cost peanuts, and they come from their own private factories. Only some electronics come from China.

Full article:

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(it's in Ukrainian, just give me a shout if you don't know how to read it)

What youngster or which parent would want their child to sign up to fight for a government who simply sees them as a tool that can be disposed with at will?
No wonder they are left with dragging people off the streets to fight and relying on mercenaries

 

[Guntis]

What youngster or which parent would want their child to sign up to fight for a government who simply sees them as a tool that can be disposed with at will?
No wonder they are left with dragging people off the streets to fight and relying on mercenaries

I'm not sure what their parents think, but for some 18-24 year-olds, they have an attractive offer. The total is about £20k. You get about £3.5k after joining and then around £2k a month. In addition, they promise a good social life, 0% mortgage, etc.

18-24.army.gov.ua

That's a lot of money for them and it all looks sweet. But the problem is that you may never reach the end of the 1-year contract. On the other hand, it's just best to join the army voluntarily instead of being caught by their man catchers.

Ukrainian people call this process 'busification'. It's madness.



What kind of fighter would he become if he's already mentally broken?

 

[Guntis]

F*ck that busification, lol. It's a sad thing. Ukrainians and Russians have the best drones, and it's a hot and interesting topic. Some are making crazy money on this now because the armies are constantly buying them.

 

[TheAddict]

I'm not sure what their parents think, but for some 18-24 year-olds, they have an attractive offer. The total is about £20k. You get about £3.5k after joining and then around £2k a month. In addition, they promise a good social life, 0% mortgage, etc.

18-24.army.gov.ua

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That's a lot of money for them and it all looks sweet. But the problem is that you may never reach the end of the 1-year contract. On the other hand, it's just best to join the army voluntarily instead of being caught by their man catchers.

Ukrainian people call this process 'busification'. It's madness.



What kind of fighter would he become if he's already mentally broken?

One that will want revenge, that will give zero shits about what he does next. One that now has nothing to lose, the most dangerously type of person. An untrustable companion to fight alongside.
One that will be of no use on the battlefield other than being used as a disposable sheild for bullets or drones. Though that's exactly what they require him for. One that may well decide to go out quickly by turning round and putting a bullet through an officers head. That kind of 'fighter' , imo.
Bravo Zelensky! To the last Ukrainian!

 

[Guntis]

One that will want revenge, that will give zero shits about what he does next. One that now has nothing to lose, the most dangerously type of person. An untrustable companion to fight alongside.
One that will be of no use on the battlefield other than being used as a disposable sheild for bullets or drones. Though that's exactly what they require him for. One that may well decide to go out quickly by turning round and putting a bullet through an officers head. That kind of 'fighter' , imo.
Bravo Zelensky! To the last Ukrainian!

Yeah, true, frustration and revenge would likely be the first reaction. And an automatic gun would easily solve the problem. But there are nuances.

I reckon after visiting their "office," where they decide who goes where, they use a systematic approach to make people change their minds.

They might send you to a place first where jobs are piece of piss and safe, you get paid, there's decent food, you can sleep enough, have showers, etc., to create the illusion that it's not all that bad.

Otherwise, running away from there isn't possible unless you seem fighting ready and then by some miracle get picked for training abroad.

And then disappear like those

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recently. If you try running away from a battle, it means you're betraying your country.

Another option is to surrender to the Russians. It's easy to get in touch with them via Telegram. But such plans often don't work because there are Ukrainians who kill those who want to give up.

So it's probably best to get on with it, stay strong, learn all the stuff, and wait for that dude who stuffed you in that van to show up someday on the frontline too, lol...

 

[slaman29]

All countries do this in desperation and war, we all think we are safe from it. I'm wondering now what Russia's contracts look like.

 

[Guntis]

All countries do this in desperation and war, we all think we are safe from it. I'm wondering now what Russia's contracts look like.

Basics include monthly pay starting from around £2K, combat bonuses plus performance-based payments. Then they have a package of social and family welfare benefits, various insurances, etc.

I would say that £2K for a Russian soldier in Russia would be equivalent to around £6-8k (after tax income) for a British soldier in the UK.

The main incentive for Russians seems to be the signing bonus (around £25k), which the article mentions is paid within 5 days of joining, and debt forgiveness up to around £100K.

Here's a bit of new info (April 2025), likely written by some Russian recruitment agency.

dzen.ru/a/aBDCVSBxCH3lCaRy

I watched many videos of fighters who worked for their national service and Wagner, when it was available, and many said they'd rather work for Wagner. Because the national service is like working for some big company where bosses don't even know your name, but with Wagner everyone feels like family.

 

[Guntis]

F*ck that busification, lol. It's a sad thing. Ukrainians and Russians have the best drones, and it's a hot and interesting topic. Some are making crazy money on this now because the armies are constantly buying them.

The Russians are using some kind of new drones and the Ukrainian fighters are asking for samples to figure out how to counter them.

To me they all seem like recon drones:

t.me/serhii_flash/5582

Here's what they write:

Warning! On all fronts, we're seeing more attacks from a new type of AI-powered drone that I talked about recently. We're recording 30-50 flights daily across three directions.

The Russians are training the AI in it every day. For example, just this week these drones learned to dart around in the air on dangerous flight paths (constantly moving up and down, left and right), making it hard for our anti-aircraft drones to work. Thanks to AI and models, the drones can fly over roads, looking for military vehicles below.

I'm asking all military personnel on the fronts - not just from me, but from a whole group of agencies - with these requests:

- We really need samples. We're looking for countermeasures. Please pass any captured ones to your commanders or to military intelligence (GUR) or security service (SBU).

- Anti-aircraft drone crews. Please report to command when you spot these types of drones, even if you don't shoot them down.

And I advise everyone to think about how to fight this nasty stuff. Electronic warfare doesn't work on them.

 

[geordiecolin]

The Russians are using some kind of new drones and the Ukrainian fighters are asking for samples to figure out how to counter them.

To me they all seem like recon drones:

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Here's what they write:

Warning! On all fronts, we're seeing more attacks from a new type of AI-powered drone that I talked about recently. We're recording 30-50 flights daily across three directions.

The Russians are training the AI in it every day. For example, just this week these drones learned to dart around in the air on dangerous flight paths (constantly moving up and down, left and right), making it hard for our anti-aircraft drones to work. Thanks to AI and models, the drones can fly over roads, looking for military vehicles below.

I'm asking all military personnel on the fronts - not just from me, but from a whole group of agencies - with these requests:

- We really need samples. We're looking for countermeasures. Please pass any captured ones to your commanders or to military intelligence (GUR) or security service (SBU).

- Anti-aircraft drone crews. Please report to command when you spot these types of drones, even if you don't shoot them down.

And I advise everyone to think about how to fight this nasty stuff. Electronic warfare doesn't work on them.

Russia seem to be very fastidious with their AI innovations.
I am shocked that the Ukrainian forces have not rebelled yet or removed Zelenskyy.

 

[Guntis]

Russia seem to be very fastidious with their AI innovations.
I am shocked that the Ukrainian forces have not rebelled yet or removed Zelenskyy.

Zelensky is a traveler, he's not easy to find.

 

[geordiecolin]

Zelensky is a traveler, he's not easy to find.

But his travels have no influence on his position.
I wonder why Ukraine as a peoples are allowing their male population to be so decemated in a war that they invited to happen when Joining the EU was not on the table?
Corruption and abuse via other Countries seems quite creadible to me?

 

[slaman29]

The main incentive for Russians seems to be the signing bonus (around £25k), which the article mentions is paid within 5 days of joining, and debt forgiveness up to around £100K.

This is very very attractive. 100k debt forgiveness is something I would really look into for sure. It makes sense why many ex Soviet countries have people joining (talking about the Central Asian countries where I know from foreign workers they say a lot of relatives joined up). That's practically 20-30 years salary worth of debt repayment.

 

[Guntis]

This is very very attractive. 100k debt forgiveness is something I would really look into for sure. It makes sense why many ex Soviet countries have people joining (talking about the Central Asian countries where I know from foreign workers they say a lot of relatives joined up). That's practically 20-30 years salary worth of debt repayment.

Yeah it sounds good, but remember that those offers aren't for people who want to join just a regular army where you have breakfast in the morning, then learn military skills, and then go back safely to the barracks for lunch and sexy time with your GF over the phone. Those benefits are for people who go to conflict zones. It's a different game. And those from Central Asia most likely work under different contracts.

 

[Guntis]

Russia seem to be very fastidious with their AI innovations.
I am shocked that the Ukrainian forces have not rebelled yet or removed Zelenskyy.

I think nobody there would dare to go against the Ukrainian Nationalists. It's simply too dangerous, and nobody has more power than they do right now. The Russians also don't want him dead - they would rather take him alive. It would create too much noise and wouldn't solve the problems.

 

[Guntis]

No surprise.

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Tonight something's brewing again according to Ukrainian air raid channels.

 

[Guntis]

Bombings have just stopped. Regarding the above, he's pretty much right:

 

[Guntis]

Examples of donation requests in Ukraine and Russia. What do you notice?

In Ukraine:

Fundraiser for electronic warfare systems and FPV drones for AZOV, military intelligence and Armed Forces

Main goal - help the guys survive and kill Russians.

Donate regardless of whether you have 300 hryvnia, even 1 hryvnia will help cover the need. Glory to Ukraine!

We're raising money for FPV drones, electronic warfare systems and equipment for AZOV, Special Operations Forces and other Defense Forces units.

300 hrn donation - one chance to win an Italian sports car
600 hrn - two chances and so on.

If the donation isn't from Mono [bank] - include your last name, first name and phone number.

Source: t.me/stanislav_osman/8993

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One more in Ukraine:

On Marine Corps Day we're starting a fundraiser for marines from the 35th Separate Marine Brigade

We're raising money for FPV drones for the brigade and Vampire [drone system] for the 137th battalion of the same brigade, which will torch Russian asses and won't let them get to Dnipropetrovsk region.

Fundraising goal — 1,835,000 [hryvnia]. Donation jar — [i've cut it out, find through the link if needed.]

Among donations of 300+ hrn we'll raffle a PlayStation 5. Join the fundraiser and become part of destroying the Russians!

Source: t.me/DeepStateUA/21872

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In Russia:

Fighters on the Kursk front need our help to repel enemy attacks.

Due to increased enemy activity in the Tetkino area on the Kursk direction, fighters are writing to us asking for help with drones, thermal imaging devices, drone detectors, radios, etc.

In 12 days we've raised 5 million 841 thousand out of 8.5 million rubles for the units. If someone is ready to help, you can purchase and transfer directly to the fighters - contact through our bot @rvvoenkor_bot

We are the "Russian Spring" media outlet (rusvesna.su) and since 2014 have been collecting funds on the cards of our war correspondent - Anastasia Mikhailovskaya (t.me/RVvoenkor/34242)

Source: t.me/RVvoenkor/92140

 

[Guntis]

This TG channel is usually spot-on about events way before the papers write about them.

This is what they published today. Let's see what comes next and test whether it turns out to be true.

One thing that's challenging to understand is what those countries crying for peace while supplying the weapons expect to happen. When looking back through events that happened during the last 30 days, as soon as Ukraine hits something in Russia, the fire starts coming back to them in a few hours, usually from around 8-9pm when it gets darker, and the next day we see Zelensky complaining.

Anyone can find Ukrainian air monitoring TG channels and check the history. They warn people about what flies and towards which city in real time.

If they really decide to raise the stakes using Taurus, then I'd say we can expect more like this:

 

[mack341]

I suppose the Ukrainians won't need any technical help from the Germans to operate these missiles , could put Russia in a bit of a spot if these cruise missiles land deep into their territory, across the border, the average russian may conclude we've been attacked by Germany (again) so we need to respond.

The uk/french cruise missiles didn't seem to do much and have probably run out (in terms of not using all our reserve stocks) hence the need to have some of these german taurus ones, otherwise ukraine has no long range offensive capability I guess.

 

[Guntis]

I suppose the Ukrainians won't need any technical help from the Germans to operate these missiles , could put Russia in a bit of a spot if these cruise missiles land deep into their territory, across the border, the average russian may conclude we've been attacked by Germany (again) so we need to respond.

The uk/french cruise missiles didn't seem to do much and have probably run out (in terms of not using all our reserve stocks) hence the need to have some of these german taurus ones, otherwise ukraine has no long range offensive capability I guess.

The thing is that even if the Ukrainians got the missiles already, it isn't clear whether they can use them right away. They don't work on their own. You need special planes to launch them. Or they would need to modify F 16s, which would take time because the Ukrainians don't have the right equipment to do it. Otherwise, F-16s should be sent already modified.

If the Ukrainians still have any Russian Su planes left, then these would be faster to modify simply because they already have the right gear and knowledge. Some are saying that it would take around 2 months for the Su planes and over a year for F 16s.

Even if everything is sorted and ready to go, the Ukrainians would need Patriots for air defense (4-7 million per shot). They're vital. You can't just shoot and hope the enemy never fires back... The air become open without this system.

From what I've read, they're nearly out and nobody gives more. It's also worth noting that Russian Iskander missiles (that they usually fire) are modified, and Patriots don't easily get them.

It could just be one load of nonsense in the end.

 

[mack341]

The thing is that even if the Ukrainians got the missiles already, it isn't clear whether they can use them right away. They don't work on their own. You need special planes to launch them. Or they would need to modify F 16s, which would take time because the Ukrainians don't have the right equipment to do it. Otherwise, F-16s should be sent already modified.

If the Ukrainians still have any Russian Su planes left, then these would be faster to modify simply because they already have the right gear and knowledge. Some are saying that it would take around 2 months for the Su planes and over a year for F 16s.

Even if everything is sorted and ready to go, the Ukrainians would need Patriots for air defense (4-7 million per shot). They're vital. You can't just shoot and hope the enemy never fires back... The air become open without this system.

From what I've read, they're nearly out and nobody gives more. It's also worth noting that Russian Iskander missiles (that they usually fire) are modified, and Patriots don't easily get them.

It could just be one load of nonsense in the end.

I forgot they have got those US missiles atcams iirc or a similar name, but again there has been no mention of them recently, they were supposed to be a game changer.

My impression is the west are making it difficult for Russia to end the war and sign a peace deal, in one way I can understand their reasoning and stance from a power game pov but it's the Ukrainian men dying in their thousands not the west's, so it's a bit of a phony sacrifice, even Graham Lindsay admitted it's the best value for money they're getting - in terms of damage to russia vs $ spent (He ought to be parachuted into the front line).

 

[Guntis]

I forgot they have got those US missiles atcams iirc or a similar name, but again there has been no mention of them recently, they were supposed to be a game changer.

My impression is the west are making it difficult for Russia to end the war and sign a peace deal, in one way I can understand their reasoning and stance from a power game pov but it's the Ukrainian men dying in their thousands not the west's, so it's a bit of a phony sacrifice, even Graham Lindsay admitted it's the best value for money they're getting - in terms of damage to russia vs $ spent (He ought to be parachuted into the front line).

ATACMS are ground-launched ballistic missiles. The Ukrainians first used them within the conflict zone to hit airfields and Russian ammo stores. Once Biden gave the green light to fire into Russia, they used them again.

As far as I remember, one missile hit an ammo depot somewhere near the border in Russia. But I don't hear about them being used anymore, or it could be that they've run out.

Buy the way, Ukrainians have their own missiles called Neptune, which are based on Soviet anti-ship missiles but modernized. These missles and Ukrainian naval drones (Magura), I reckon are the most dangerous for the Russians.

Russia has all sorts of weapons to effectively fight almost any threats, except for these naval drones:

Russians don't have the ideal approach yet to fight them. They usually bring choppers or drive speedboats and shoot them with machine guns. This is risky and costly, especially when these little things hit one of their boats, let alone ships.

Taurus missiles, I reckon, are just another hype. They aren't useless, but using them means having pilots and planes. The Russians know when each plane takes off (they have live military satellite survilance), so it always gives them time to get their air defense like the S 400 or Pantsir ready. Plus the planes risk being shot down before they even launch a missile, especially when they approach conflict zones.

 

[geordiecolin]

I forgot they have got those US missiles atcams iirc or a similar name, but again there has been no mention of them recently, they were supposed to be a game changer.

My impression is the west are making it difficult for Russia to end the war and sign a peace deal, in one way I can understand their reasoning and stance from a power game pov but it's the Ukrainian men dying in their thousands not the west's, so it's a bit of a phony sacrifice, even Graham Lindsay admitted it's the best value for money they're getting - in terms of damage to russia vs $ spent (He ought to be parachuted into the front line).

Thanks to UN assistance Putin was subject to an assassination attempt via drones and when Trump was told by reporters on live tv he stated that that information was with held from him. Who is advising Trump and is the EU plotting to scupper peace deals behind Trumps back?

Russia are playing the long game,taking ground bit by bit.

 

[Guntis]

Source: t.me/DeepStateUA/21911

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There is a public version that this is all about German Taurus missiles that they said they aren't sending, but in reality the missiles are going to be modified, renamed, and used against Russia, so it doesn't look like Germany is giving missiles to Ukraine to fight Russia but rather that Ukraine made their own.

Meanwhile according to Umerov's post on X, Ukraine has just handed over a ceasefire document to Russia.

 

[geordiecolin]

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Source: t.me/DeepStateUA/21911

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There is a public version that this is all about German Taurus missiles that they said they aren't sending, but in reality the missiles are going to be modified, renamed, and used against Russia, so it doesn't look like Germany is giving missiles to Ukraine to fight Russia but rather that Ukraine made their own.

Meanwhile according to Umerov's post on X, Ukraine has just handed over a ceasefire document to Russia.

Like Trump said. Ukraine do not hold any cards and Russia are doing ok under sanctions. History will show that the USA and the EU forced Russia to this war.
Russia have been very careful with their combat and arggretion so far.
So much for Trumps "I will stop it within one day" bullshit.
To me it just underscores the fact that a president of America only has the teeth that the deep state allows him to have otherwise he will become another Kennedy

 

[mack341]

Trump is not exactly putting on an 'Art of the deal' masterclass, to believe that the US can be an independent arbitrator in this war when they continue to provide one side with technical assistance as well as weaponary and finances is a bit nonsensical.

However, I still would not rule out Trump somehow playing a big part in getting this war to end, bet against him at your peril, I think he is in need of a bit of a rest and thinking time though, he's been non-stop for months now, and presidents didn't always need to give a rolling update to the media, they can wait longer than a few days.

 

[geordiecolin]

Trump is not exactly putting on an 'Art of the deal' masterclass, to believe that the US can be an independent arbitrator in this war when they continue to provide one side with technical assistance as well as weaponary and finances is a bit nonsensical.

However, I still would not rule out Trump somehow playing a big part in getting this war to end, bet against him at your peril, I think he is in need of a bit of a rest and thinking time though, he's been non-stop for months now, and presidents didn't always need to give a rolling update to the media, they can wait longer than a few days.

If he can get things by his handlers that control his country then he would want his legacy hopes to pravail.
But his party is just as in the hands of Is rael as the Dems are. Just as the UK and so many others are.
Money and controlling is at the heart of this world

 

[Guntis]

Trump is not exactly putting on an 'Art of the deal' masterclass, to believe that the US can be an independent arbitrator in this war when they continue to provide one side with technical assistance as well as weaponary and finances is a bit nonsensical.

However, I still would not rule out Trump somehow playing a big part in getting this war to end, bet against him at your peril, I think he is in need of a bit of a rest and thinking time though, he's been non-stop for months now, and presidents didn't always need to give a rolling update to the media, they can wait longer than a few days.

There's no point for the US in supporting the fight going on in Ukraine, except for selling weapons to Ukraine that they can buy with European money.

 

[Guntis]

Grok can add more details to the above:

 

[Guntis]

Ukrainians came up with a new way to hit targets farther inside Russia. Their drones flew out of a lorry in Russia and then hit several planes at a military airfield.

Before

The same plane a second after

 

[Guntis]

Here's a video of Ukrainian drones coming out of a truck in Russia:

t.me/mash/64537

Many sources report that they've planned this for over a year.

 

[geordiecolin]

Here's a video of Ukrainian drones coming out of a truck in Russia:

t.me/mash/64537

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Many sources report that they've planned this for over a year.

I'm think that I need to have this explained to me as if I am not yet old enough to have hair that I can sit on?

 

[Guntis]

I'm think that I need to have this explained to me as if I am not yet old enough to have hair that I can sit on?

It's something like this overall:

 

[geordiecolin]

It's something like this overall:

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OIC. So they where planted in Russia long in advance. Seems quite risky.

 

[geordiecolin]

OIC. So they where planted in Russia long in advance. Seems quite risky.

I have been trying my best to avoid The Ukrainian and Middle East crisis lately because I want to practice what I preach to my daughters who get very down following these events.
No way could the Ukraine conduct such a strike without the help of others. No way will this one hit make any sort of dent in Russias capabilities. They have various means of using there nukes. But I fear for what the response will be and how soon it will be before Ukraine try it again?

Targetting civilians on a a train is an act of terrorism and there is a suspicion that some drone attacks where launched from Finland and Norway. Lets see how that pans out. Taking out 4 rail bridges in Russia while Russia has not taken out one Bridge in the Ukraine tells me how careful Russia has been. I suspect that they will not pussy foot around for much longer.

So much for the peace talks in Turkey this week!

 

[Guntis]

OIC. So they where planted in Russia long in advance. Seems quite risky.

I reckon the 1.5-year planning story sounds like BS. They most likely recruited local people in Russia who did the manual work and then the Ukrainians waited for a suitable situation, and that's it. Some of those people may not have even known that they were doing anything wrong, lorry drivers, for example.

But overall, this move undoubtedly worked great for the Ukrainians because they managed to hit Russian planes with just small, $500 drones and no human casualties.

I see now on TG that Ukrainians are firing drones into Russia and the Russians seem to be staying quiet, probably because of the talks tomorrow. And then the rock and roll will likely start...

 

[geordiecolin]

I reckon the 1.5-year planning story sounds like BS. They most likely recruited local people in Russia who did the manual work and then the Ukrainians waited for a suitable situation, and that's it. Some of those people may not have even known that they were doing anything wrong, lorry drivers, for example.

But overall, this move undoubtedly worked great for the Ukrainians because they managed to hit Russian planes with just small, $500 drones and no human casualties.

I see now on TG that Ukrainians are firing drones into Russia and the Russians seem to be staying quiet, probably because of the talks tomorrow. And then the rock and roll will likely start...

Russian seem to have been very calculated to me during this conflict. But hitting their Nuc bases will require with a big response.
Imagine if the USA was hit with theirs.
Without over doung it Eussia could flatten the uk with one bomb.
But that will not happen yet.
I do fear for what happens next to Ukrain.
So much for Trumps pre election promises.
America.Two parties predending to be opposite then going to bed at the end of the night

 

[Guntis]

Russian seem to have been very calculated to me during this conflict. But hitting their Nuc bases will require with a big response.
Imagine if the USA was hit with theirs.
Without over doung it Eussia could flatten the uk with one bomb.
But that will not happen yet.
I do fear for what happens next to Ukrain.
So much for Trumps pre election promises.
America.Two parties predending to be opposite then going to bed at the end of the night

They were planes at an airfield, and not 40 as Ukrainians say but 8 (7 Tu planes and 1 An). Otherwise, Ukrainian TG channels would explode with videos. But there are none - except for those that are all over the internet now.

As for what will happen to Ukraine, nothing much. It will just lose more territories and face tougher demands from Russia every time in talks.

The fighting will likely keep going the same way, e.g., a few troops here and there, drones, FAB bombs, artillery, bikes, though it will depend on what Ukraine fires and where.

 

[Guntis]

A meaningful image from Ukrainian publics. It refers to lorries filled with drones:

 

[Guntis]

Interactive count games, lol.

Today Ukraine provided a list with 339 children's initials to Russian officials. So it's not 20,000 or millions as we were told in the papers, on TV, and Wikipedia. Though Russia and Ukraine still disagree on whether these children were abducted or moved for safety.

Video: