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UK Gambling commission to look into £2 stake limit for online slots. Decision within 6 months

I usually play at anywhere between 20p and £1 stakes, dependent on bankroll. However, I had a good run last week and upped to £3 spins on BOD. Ended up cashing out over a grand from a free £2 loyalty chip.

My point is, why shouldn't people be able to do a few a few spins at a bigger bet than normal if on a good run?
Well suppose it is like the min pricing on alcohol when it’s implemented it will be illegal just like the smoking and drinking was ruining life’s the government took action and it’s now the turn of on line gambling.
Don’t get me wrong last week I was doing £4 spins on bonanza because I was on a good run and my balance allowed it unfortunately some people aren’t as disciplined or they have been watching streamers and think it’s easy.
 
But then you still have the issue of the people who have built up a big bankroll from nothing or are funding their play via a big withdraw from elsewhere. Why shouldn't these people be able to up the bet?

In current SOW checks winnings from other casinos can be accepted as funds you can gamble, you just need to be able to provide proof of them and that they still exist.

In that speculative future situation, it would be much harder to know how long and which bet size your max bet could be increased if you have XXXXX pounds winnings on your account.

No believing that there would be such a compromise that your max bet would be based on your sustainable income, that wouldn't make much sense without controlling losses as well and like already pointed out, we have plenty of slots where you can throw quite good amount of money in one night with £2 bets.

Not much to do but hope they really not willing to take that step to control people from using their money. And like pointed out, it would be golden mine for some Curacao casinos where some of them could start to do fair business if can attract high rollers from UK to spend there instead, keeping these type of players not going to happen if not paying winnings but this change could change some habits of few of these to be nice to their VIP:s and build better reputation.

Not really see what UK would win by this kind of rulings.
 
One could argue that building up a small balance with 'sensible' bets, getting to a much higher balance and knocking out huge bets (huge = £5 - 20 stakes) is irresponsible gambling.

By the same token the whole concept of gambling is impulse and the odd reckless splurge. I'd imagine the desensitization and normalizing of big bets owes a lot to streamers' current penchant for doing them. A lot of sheeple being drawn in, and streamers warping expectation. Yeah I went there (again)
 
One could argue that building up a small balance with 'sensible' bets, getting to a much higher balance and knocking out huge bets (huge = £5 - 20 stakes) is irresponsible gambling.

By the same token the whole concept of gambling is impulse and the odd reckless splurge. I'd imagine the desensitization and normalizing of big bets owes a lot to streamers' current penchant for doing them. A lot of sheeple being drawn in, and streamers warping expectation. Yeah I went there (again)
Said what about who??
 
Jesus. I can't even mention streamers without you popping out of the crevices :D

I'd get that seen to
I’ve a phone like the old batman series had next to me that rings and flashes red when the heathens are mentioned. I immediately don my cape and get to work
 
You are not alone with these, if it helps at all, in Germany there are rumours for €1 max bets (but making difference to slots and table games)....
Sources that have seen the current draft of the Glücksspielneuregulierungsstaatsvertrag tell iGB that casino regulations are split between licences for ‘virtual slot machines’ and online casino games.

The slot licence effectively allows operators to provide an online equivalent of a land-based gaming arcade, without the other casino games. There will be significant additional restrictions, such as a €1 per spin stake limit.

In addition each spin must last at least five seconds, no autoplay function will be allowed, and licensees will not be able to offer slot jackpots. This effectively transplants the current regulations for gaming machines in arcades and pubs online, our source explained.

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For operators one option if these happen is just apply one license more and make some brand to operate under Curacao license and promote that to affected players and then cancel UKGC license. Problem solved.
 
I've said it before, the UKGC are getting too big for their boots and this is just yet another example of nannyism in action.

As an aside, won't this just drive more people to the ultra high variance slots more? The ones that can see you thousands down in no time at all, even on £1 stakes?

It's not them who are pushing the agenda. Do you think they, as the governing body, want to kill the industry making their jobs all but meaningless?
 
It's not them who are pushing the agenda. Do you think they, as the governing body, want to kill the industry making their jobs all but meaningless?
It’ll be the mp’s and parliament who actually decide this. It’s irrelevant what contacts you have With providers or casinos as certain desperate streamers are spouting saying they have info it won’t happen.
a £2 max wouldn’t bother me as it won’t rarely won’t bother the majority as stats here on the small poll prove.
however this controlling Of people in the uk is bordering 1984..
I mean they cut the sugar in my Dr Pepper, that’s way more important to me than a max stake on a slot.
 
It’ll be the mp’s and parliament who actually decide this. It’s irrelevant what contacts you have With providers or casinos as certain desperate streamers are spouting saying they have info it won’t happen.
a £2 max wouldn’t bother me as it won’t rarely won’t bother the majority as stats here on the small poll prove.
however this controlling Of people in the uk is bordering 1984..
I mean they cut the sugar in my Dr Pepper, that’s way more important to me than a max stake on a slot.

i know... yearn for the glory days of irn bru and coco pops At full flavour

bastards
 
It’ll be the mp’s and parliament who actually decide this. It’s irrelevant what contacts you have With providers or casinos as certain desperate streamers are spouting saying they have info it won’t happen.
a £2 max wouldn’t bother me as it won’t rarely won’t bother the majority as stats here on the small poll prove.
however this controlling Of people in the uk is bordering 1984..
I mean they cut the sugar in my Dr Pepper, that’s way more important to me than a max stake on a slot.

What is it with you and the Dr Pepper.

Tried that years ago when i was in England. Absolutely disgusting:puke:
 
i know... yearn for the glory days of irn bru and coco pops At full flavour

bastards
Forgot to mention irn-bru.
that fine beverage was also ruined, you can get real Dr Pepper from Mexico, cane sugar but isn’t cheap to import. Done it a few time’s, glass bottle aswel. Would choose it anyday over a fine champagne.
 
Ahh see you havnt such a distinguished pallet like myself.
I'm about as far as having a refined palette as they come :D if youre buying, im drinking
 
Your “palate” is the roof of your mouth, and by extension, your sense of taste. A “palette” is the flat board an artist mixes paint on (or by extension, a range of colors). A “pallet” is either a bed (now rare) or a flat platform

so here, it would be palate :)
 
To be honest, I thought affiliates / streamers would be making more fuss about these changes after all it will be them who are most affected. Sitting back and saying 'it won't happen' aka NickSlots and Chipmonkz. If I was still an affiliate I would be writing to the Gambling Commission and petitioning.

The guy I spoke to at ICE from UKGC said it was a priority but the sticking point was land-based casinos were at capped at £5. So it would be difficult to implement a lower bet on this type of licence class than a B1 category. I suggested £10 limit online and he said thereabouts most likely for slot based games. Roulette/blackjack would not be limited same as land-based. I think you can do £100,000 spins at Empire in London?

Personally, I welcome £2 limits to combat the growing number of problem gamblers in the UK. It would certainly stop people copying the silly bet sizes that the Bandit and streamers do.
 
Someone isn’t keen on moving to Malta

Technically it's possible not to move to Malta yet play under MGA rules instead of UKGC whilst residing in the UK. Simply rent an office space in Malta and setup a company there, sign up to casino's with your new company's address in Malta and then setup a computer there so you can use the "company VPN": work from home in the UK.
 
Technically it's possible not to move to Malta yet play under MGA rules instead of UKGC whilst residing in the UK. Simply rent an office space in Malta and setup a company there, sign up to casino's with your new company's address in Malta and then setup a computer there so you can use the "company VPN": work from home in the UK.

Most of my accounts were opened in Malta years ago and I can still buy bonus buys in the UK if I wanted to.
 
Not sure how much UKGC would have sympathy for affiliates loosing their revenueshares when their aim is to reduce gambling. They hardly listen much casino operators so can't really find them to stop some change because some affiliate contacting them worried to have financial losses if people gamble less :)
 
To be honest, I thought affiliates / streamers would be making more fuss about these changes after all it will be them who are most affected. Sitting back and saying 'it won't happen' aka NickSlots and Chipmonkz. If I was still an affiliate I would be writing to the Gambling Commission and petitioning.

The guy I spoke to at ICE from UKGC said it was a priority but the sticking point was land-based casinos were at capped at £5. So it would be difficult to implement a lower bet on this type of licence class than a B1 category. I suggested £10 limit online and he said thereabouts most likely for slot based games. Roulette/blackjack would not be limited same as land-based. I think you can do £100,000 spins at Empire in London?

Personally, I welcome £2 limits to combat the growing number of problem gamblers in the UK. It would certainly stop people copying the silly bet sizes that the Bandit and streamers do.
That’s the thing nic, as much as it’s denied and you get the clowns saying (watching you gamble £20 a spin helps me) there has been a massive spike in gambling related addiction since steaming was a thing.
i mean these lot started begging for donations to fund there streams, yes the likes of Mensa member nick got lucky with casinogrounds, but now you even have the likes of chip hitting £20 spins and trying to promote responsible gambling, streaming and RG is a oxymoron.
yes they can afford to do it, but really can they? Without the constant bonus reloads and possible behind the scenes deals I don’t thin many could at all, that’s without affy earnings mentioned.
its so far removed from the reality of gambling its comical, said before and its relevant to the £2 max stake limit.
What kind of person would class that as ‘normal stakes’ 500 spins is £1000.
most people would class 500 spins at almost a normal session.
a tiny percentage of folk can afford to lose a grand a session.
when I’m in work offshore, I do get v good money, but at over a grand a week I’d struggle to play with £2 being my ‘sensible stake’
Obviously I’m so against streaming it’s clear for all, this wasn’t jealousy based or anything else, the early days I enjoyed it until the lies and clear deception started to happen, all to take losses for your own gain from a fellow human.
I’ve spoken to affy managers, had proof of lies and deceit, then have the streamers ignore it, block you and label you a troll.
The dark side of this is there are many viewers whom will and do think you can win playing slots like these parasites do, that’s people losing families, lives, jobs, cars whatever.
as proven on here when chipmonkz was called out, he lied about abuse towards him and ran a mile without addressing a thing and I was banned..
no matter how you look at it it’s a grubby business streaming, not something that would sit right with me in bed of a evening.
anyhow hope this latest rant doesn’t get me banned again, was rather restrained I do think.
 
I agree with pretty much everything you say @Playford7 and once I saw the toxic side of affiliates I jacked it in for those reasons.

There are many responsible affiliates just like this site for example but it's the YouTube lot that ruined it all. I visited a library the other week as my phone battery was dead and I needed to e-mail someone. On the front page of YouTube was Stop and Step with a service station video as it was trending in the UK. The Bandit often trends under 'Gaming' which is heavily viewed by kids. You can count on one hand the number of streamers that label their videos 18+ that require a sign in to view.



The thing that makes me laugh is when streamers say I don't make much money from affiliation - Chipmunkz said it last week on stream. How is that possible? Some make £100 CPA + RevShare. When I worked on affiliate site which was RevShare alone, the income was £30-£50k a month just from search engine and social traffic.

I still watch streamers like Hypa, The Hideous Creature and Rocknrolla because there is no affiliate agenda and they play with their own money only.

I think I said here or maybe another forum in January, that 2020 will be the end of streaming at least in the UK. The Hideous Creature said recently that YouTube will ban all gambling videos soon. A step in the right direction :)

Any changes that the UKGC make to make gambling more responsible is only a good thing.
 
I agree with pretty much everything you say @Playford7 and once I saw the toxic side of affiliates I jacked it in for those reasons.

There are many responsible affiliates just like this site for example but it's the YouTube lot that ruined it all. I visited a library the other week as my phone battery was dead and I needed to e-mail someone. On the front page of YouTube was Stop and Step with a service station video as it was trending in the UK. The Bandit often trends under 'Gaming' which is heavily viewed by kids. You can count on one hand the number of streamers that label their videos 18+ that require a sign in to view.



The thing that makes me laugh is when streamers say I don't make much money from affiliation - Chipmunkz said it last week on stream. How is that possible? Some make £100 CPA + RevShare. When I worked on affiliate site which was RevShare alone, the income was £30-£50k a month just from search engine and social traffic.

I still watch streamers like Hypa, The Hideous Creature and Rocknrolla because there is no affiliate agenda and they play with their own money only.

I think I said here or maybe another forum in January, that 2020 will be the end of streaming at least in the UK. The Hideous Creature said recently that YouTube will ban all gambling videos soon. A step in the right direction :)

Any changes that the UKGC make to make gambling more responsible is only a good thing.

Totally agree and I’ve stated many times this isn’t against the affiliate, per se.
Just the morally bankrupt lot on YouTube/twitch.
ive no doubt of decent affiliates, I’ve PM’d many on here over the years to tell them what I say isn’t against them at all.
I’ve also been saying for years about the joint ‘gaming’ accounts..
also the time many stream are of times in which many younger people are out of work and watch these people stream thinking it’s easy, many still don’t know what affiliation is, it’s just a quick way to lose the dole or whatever it is now signing up to a link to emulate there favourite actor, sorry streamer.
I watch the likes of daz, and have also said he’s made some dubious choices of casinos he promotes, which shocked me coming from a guy who’s v v in the know of good and bad casinos and general affiliate practice.
also hyperlynx, slot excitement channel.
not aware of the hideous creature lol! Is it a picture of Bryan naked? (Joke Bryan :-))
Also the casinos that are promoted are questionable at least, nektan brands, genesis... most popular actors, sorry streamers still promote these sites, 48hr pending periods and terrible RTP and not to mention talk to the hand tactics.
i do genuinely hope the lot are banned, there isn’t enough defence of how they earn a livng for it to be morally correct.
 
That's exactly what will happen. Obviously, the UKGC doesn't feel that players can choose their own wagering limits, and they will do this for them. Yet, I am sure the land based casinos in the UK won't be held to these same standards.

This will just drive that UK traffic to the Caribbean casinos - and Bob's yer uncle.

The landbased casinos already have this in place as the max possible bet on slots is £5 per spin.
You can only bet higher at a casino that has a regional supercasino licence, none of which exist.
 
Slots as a medium don't need high-stakes play anyway, it's a completely different beast to Table games.

They're generally sneered at and aimed at non-gambler masses that like a good lights & sounds show.

They have virtually no interaction and serve as a gambling/ 'entertainment' hybrid, especially online where they look more like casual app games or video games that could entice someone that's never even thought about gambling before. Lord knows that's how I got into it, through sheer accursed 'luck' :rolleyes:

Problem is they're not even entertaining anymore, nor can I win on them. So whilst the sole preserve of the great unwashed, high-stakes slotting is an unnatural fit anyway for the vast majority. Seeing streamers play these video games sorry 'modern slots' at ridiculous bet levels is no doubt the link to the UKGC's clampdown.

And let's face it, can you imagine the Earl of I'mFuckingRich slumming it on slots in a dank corner even doing £5 or £20 bets. I think you'll find them playing Table games, Roulette, Baccarat etc :cool:
 
I agree with pretty much everything you say @Playford7 and once I saw the toxic side of affiliates I jacked it in for those reasons.

There are many responsible affiliates just like this site for example but it's the YouTube lot that ruined it all. I visited a library the other week as my phone battery was dead and I needed to e-mail someone. On the front page of YouTube was Stop and Step with a service station video as it was trending in the UK. The Bandit often trends under 'Gaming' which is heavily viewed by kids. You can count on one hand the number of streamers that label their videos 18+ that require a sign in to view.



The thing that makes me laugh is when streamers say I don't make much money from affiliation - Chipmunkz said it last week on stream. How is that possible? Some make £100 CPA + RevShare. When I worked on affiliate site which was RevShare alone, the income was £30-£50k a month just from search engine and social traffic.

I still watch streamers like Hypa, The Hideous Creature and Rocknrolla because there is no affiliate agenda and they play with their own money only.

I think I said here or maybe another forum in January, that 2020 will be the end of streaming at least in the UK. The Hideous Creature said recently that YouTube will ban all gambling videos soon. A step in the right direction :)

Any changes that the UKGC make to make gambling more responsible is only a good thing.


You mean the chap that did a joint stream with Fruityslots the other week? The same Fruityslots that promoted dodgy casinos and had the non gamstop casinos on their website?
 

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