UK Conservative Party Leadership Election

[mack341]

Labour are the only political party with a solid policy proposal on the table to get the people of the UK through the winter, windfall tax on the energy companies to pay to fix everyone's energy bills as they are now, saving the average household thousands of pounds.

Truss is the one banging the ideological 'profits are not evil' drum, even as we go into a winter where people are literally going to freeze to death in the sixth richest economy in the world, as UK energy companies make tens of billions of pounds in profits, extracted directly from the pockets of the people and businesses of the UK.

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I think truss will be more flexible once in the hot seat, realpolitik will take over, if not she'll have a shorter stay or tiny majority to govern with.

If the EU make significant changes it will affect uk energy prices too as it's an international market, so there's that angle to wait for.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I think truss will be more flexible once in the hot seat, realpolitik will take over, if not she'll have a shorter stay or tiny majority to govern with.

If the EU make significant changes it will affect uk energy prices too as it's an international market, so there's that angle to wait for.

Have to say I wasn't expecting 'hopefully the EU will fix it' to be an angle you'd go for

 

[interlog]

Labour are the only political party with a solid policy proposal on the table to get the people of the UK through the winter, windfall tax on the energy companies to pay to fix everyone's energy bills as they are now, saving the average household thousands of pounds

But if you put a windfall tax on the profits of, say, Centrica then surely you would then have to give them money if they post losses just as they did in 2019 to the tune of £1.1bn

Can't be surely having it both ways

Edit, interesting article in the Guardian where EDF was forced to sell energy at low prices by the French Government, so is suing them:

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[dunover]

But if you put a windfall tax on the profits of, say, Centrica then surely you would then have to give them money if they post losses just as they did in 2019 to the tune of £1.1bn

Can't be surely having it both ways

Edit, interesting article in the Guardian where EDF was forced to sell energy at low prices by the French Government, so is suing them:

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Wot? In an EU country? Never! State intervention in the market really worked well there then...

 

[mack341]

If a 7 billion subsidy meant energy is affordable to the country then that is not a lot, EU membership alone was costing 10 billion, and the various british govts never moaned once about that annual blackhole.

If you think about the current 'competitive' market setup, how much money do the energy firms spend on marketing and sponsorship [in a normal past year] for a product everyone needs. It's just a waste of money to the end payer, the consumer.

It wasn't such a problem when energy costs were low.

 

[mack341]

Have to say I wasn't expecting 'hopefully the EU will fix it' to be an angle you'd go for

I'm very pragmatic on this topic.

Briefly reading about it the other day some EU members have been dragging their feet and objecting to changing the market, don't know if it is the green political lobby not wanting their 'climate change' surcharges removed or something else. If they want to make changes that will affect this winter then they need to get a crack on, and in fact it is probably too late.

I bet the citizens of the EU countries are wondering what will be the EU response, it's a test of their usefulness and benefit to the average person, if they can't make a difference to this european energy issue, keeping homes warm and having electricity that doesn't cost a fortune, then really what can they do which makes a positive difference to quality of lives.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm very pragmatic on this topic.

Briefly reading about it the other day some EU members have been dragging their feet and objecting to changing the market, don't know if it is the green political lobby not wanting their 'climate change' surcharges removed or something else. If they want to make changes that will affect this winter then they need to get a crack on, and in fact it is probably too late.

I bet the citizens of the EU countries are wondering what will be the EU response, it's a test of their usefulness and benefit to the average person, if they can't make a difference to this european energy issue, keeping homes warm and having electricity that doesn't cost a fortune, then really what can they do which makes a positive difference to quality of lives.

Looks like it might be having the desired effect already.

Just the expectation of co-ordinated EU action on price caps and windfall profit taxes is already bringing down power prices.

Obviously the UK alone is too small of an actor to have that kind of impact, so we are essentially being shielded and protected by the strength of the EU here.

I'm old enough to remember when the UK was a major, and powerful member of the EU, now we're just hiding in its shadows, hoping that the big bad power company bullies won't see us cowering in the corner.

 

[Webzcas]

Nationalising the energy producers who are getting oil and gas from UK fields in the North Sea and thus stopping them from selling it to the international marketplace is the only mid term solution - This will ensure our UK suppliers get the energy at just above cost price rather than the over inflated rates on the international market where they have to import it from.

It is ridiculous, we are pretty much self sufficient as a country, yet import pretty much all our energy requirements, while the likes of Shell and BP make an eye watering fortune from actual UK owned resources.

Starmer's solution in freezing the rise of the price cap is a short term outlook I am afraid, but it is substantially better for the population than all of us running to Argos to get a new kettle, which Johnson has advised LOL.

Long term, we need more nuclear power stations and a substantial amount of investment in renewables.

One other thing, whilst I personally agree with her ( Truss ) decision to raise spending on defence to 3% of GDP by 2030, the free money printing press ran out after furlough. This is going to cost a pretty packet, where we will all feel the pinch.

 

[Webzcas]

Obviously the UK alone is too small of an actor to have that kind of impact, so we are essentially being shielded and protected by the strength of the EU here.

See my post above. The UK Govt has in its power to have a MASSIVE impact on the prices we UK consumers pay for our energy bills. Other than Norway, we are pretty much the only country in Europe ( minus the Russians ) who are energy self sufficient.

In fact, by nationalising the oil producers and bringing the costs right down in our domestic market as a result, we can harness Brexit by attracting a considerable amount of foreign investment. As manufacturers will be clamouring to relocate here due to the low energy prices. We can do this as we are no longer shackled by EU red tape.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

See my post above. The UK Govt has in its power to have a MASSIVE impact on the prices we UK consumers pay for our energy bills. Other than Norway, we are pretty much the only country in Europe ( minus the Russians ) who are energy self sufficient.

In fact, by nationalising the oil producers and bringing the costs right down in our domestic market as a result, we can harness Brexit by attracting a considerable amount of foreign investment. As manufacturers will be clamouring to relocate here due to the low energy prices. We can do this as we are no longer shackled by EU red tape.

That's a great plan apart from the bits that will never happen, which is all of it.

1) Truss won't nationalise shit.
2) Manufacturers won't want to come here because the UK deliberately cut itself off from its biggest market, the EU. Cheaper energy won't overcome that, and the EU is taking action on it anyway.
3) Spoiler alert, we are subject to far more red tape when it comes to trading than we were as an EU member.

 

[mack341]

Nationalising the energy producers who are getting oil and gas from UK fields in the North Sea and thus stopping them from selling it to the international marketplace is the only mid term solution - This will ensure our UK suppliers get the energy at just above cost price rather than the over inflated rates on the international market where they have to import it from.

It is ridiculous, we are pretty much self sufficient as a country, yet import pretty much all our energy requirements, while the likes of Shell and BP make an eye watering fortune from actual UK owned resources.

Starmer's solution in freezing the rise of the price cap is a short term outlook I am afraid, but it is substantially better for the population than all of us running to Argos to get a new kettle, which Johnson has advised LOL.

Long term, we need more nuclear power stations and a substantial amount of investment in renewables.

One other thing, whilst I personally agree with her ( Truss ) decision to raise spending on defence to 3% of GDP by 2030, the free money printing press ran out after furlough. This is going to cost a pretty packet, where we will all feel the pinch.

I wonder though if it is a big part of our balance of payments as an export [edit: so the govt don't like the idea of changing things], be interesting to know what norway's domestic energy prices are, and whether they only sell on the surplus they don't need, so their domestic customers benefit first from lower cost energy.

 

[Webzcas]

That's a great plan apart from the bits that will never happen, which is all of it.

1) Truss won't nationalise shit.
2) Manufacturers won't want to come here because the UK deliberately cut itself off from its biggest market, the EU. Cheaper energy won't overcome that, and the EU is taking action on it anyway.
3) Spoiler alert, we are subject to far more red tape when it comes to trading than we were as an EU member.

1) She may have no option, if she sees what many of us see coming down the road towards us and I am not being alarmist!
2) Want to bet?
3) Really, I am not convinced. But, this is not a Brexit / EU thread so can we not derail it

 

[ChopleyIOM]

1) She may have no option, if she sees what many of us see coming down the road towards us and I am not being alarmist!
2) Want to bet?
3) Really, I am not convinced. But, this is not a Brexit / EU thread so can we not derail it

With respect old chap it was you who started down the not being shackled be EU red tape route

Anyway, we will see, nationalising anything is not in Truss's vocabulary and do remember that she'll be in thrall to the ERG nutcases too.

Honestly, I hope I'm wrong on this, because without massive government intervention on a Covid-style scale, this winter is going to be carnage for the people and businesses of the UK.

 

[Webzcas]

With respect old chap it was you who started down the not being shackled be EU red tape route

Granted I did mention the benefits of low cost energy and not being shackled by EU regulation - My Bad.

 

[Webzcas]

Anyway, we will see, nationalising anything is not in Truss's vocabulary and do remember that she'll be in thrall to the ERG nutcases too.

Honestly, I hope I'm wrong on this, because without massive government intervention on a Covid-style scale, this winter is going to be carnage for the people and businesses of the UK.

Yep, I am inclined to agree with you on both points. There will be a tipping point. We as individual consumers think we have it bad, at least we have a cap of sorts. Businesses are at the mercy of their suppliers.

From a personal viewpoint, already made the conscious decision to not use the central heating during the winter and also restrict the use of the washing machine and the time the cycles are run for. I will also cancel my DD with my energy provider should they decide to increase the monthly payment further. We are £300 in credit currently and paying double what we did in April a month, no more though. I will pay on the nose via card each quarter moving forward for what we exactly owe. Not based on sticking a finger in the air and coming up with an estimated monthly figure.

However, just by gauging the likes of twitter and other social media channels, this is not good, not good at all. Carnage is the right word to use as to what we will see if nothing is done.....

 

[dunover]

Most days including the standing-we'll-rip-you-fuckers-off-daily-regardless-charges we use £2.20-£3.00 worth. Gas very little as that's just hot water and heating which in the warm months (Scotland excepted) we don't use. We are hundreds in credit. It's frustrating knowing we're using almost every energy-reducing trick anyway and have been for years, yet cannot get that meter to go down any more!

I can see a new definition for a 'housewarming party' arriving this winter.

Stand out on the street, invite the next 25 strangers you see going past in for a chat and to watch telly say, then when their breath and body heat have raised the temprature to 20c kick 'em out. In fact, that's such a brilliant dunover idea I can see it being all the rage on antisocial media later this year.

 

[slot_zombie]

Stand out on the street, invite the next 25 strangers you see going past in for a chat and to watch telly say, then when their breath and body heat have raised the temprature to 20c kick 'em out. In fact, that's such a brilliant dunover idea I can see it being all the rage on antisocial media later this year.

We'll all be out in the streets, sat around burning braziers of anything scavengable and combustible. A hungry, wary look in our eyes.

 

[Webzcas]

Our firepit may get some use during the winter months!

 

[dunover]

We'll all be out in the streets, sat around burning braziers of anything scavengable and combustible. A hungry, wary look in our eyes.

And we can all pretend we are @ChopleyIOM fans and are on strike while we're at it.

 

[Kroffe]

Most days including the standing-we'll-rip-you-fuckers-off-daily-regardless-charges we use £2.20-£3.00 worth. Gas very little as that's just hot water and heating which in the warm months (Scotland excepted) we don't use. We are hundreds in credit. It's frustrating knowing we're using almost every energy-reducing trick anyway and have been for years, yet cannot get that meter to go down any more!

I can see a new definition for a 'housewarming party' arriving this winter.

Stand out on the street, invite the next 25 strangers you see going past in for a chat and to watch telly say, then when their breath and body heat have raised the temprature to 20c kick 'em out. In fact, that's such a brilliant dunover idea I can see it being all the rage on antisocial media later this year.

Thats not very effective, you are just inviting cold people in to warm themselves up and once they are warm they leave again.
They are stealing heat from your house.

What you want to do is organize orgies.
Have a well insulated room in the basement that is a 24/7 open to the public orgy-room, it would be like a sauna in there at all times.
After that there is really nothing to it, you can now use your hot orgy-air powered AC unit to control exactly what temperature you want in all other rooms of your house.

 

[dunover]

Thats not very effective, you are just inviting cold people in to warm themselves up and once they are warm they leave again.
They are stealing heat from your house.

What you want to do is organize orgies.
Have a well insulated room in the basement that is a 24/7 open to the public orgy-room, it would be like a sauna in there at all times.
After that there is really nothing to it, you can now use your hot orgy-air powered AC unit to control exactly what temperature you want in all other rooms of your house.
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You have that the wrong way around. Remember your house is COLD before you invite them in, and they and your room gradually warm up when enough of them are crammed in. Like your freezing bed soon warms up from body heat when someone is in it, even if they and/or the bed felt cold to start with.

Food gives the body energy. Energy is used to keep the body warm. The guests have eaten their own food before coming in. So their warm breath and bodies will heat your house at their expense. They have left their heat in your house. Think of a pub in winter when crammed, freezing outside then sweaty and warm inside.

I'd suggest if your room was cold say 11-12c after a couple of hours it would likely be 19-20c if enough people were present and of course it's a well-insulated property. To avoid letting this heat out when they leave, aim them out of a small window as near to the floor as possible instead to avoid opening the door.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

And we can all pretend we are @ChopleyIOM fans and are on strike while we're at it.

It's a date, comrade!

 

[Kroffe]

You have that the wrong way around. Remember your house is COLD before you invite them in, and they and your room gradually warm up when enough of them are crammed in. Like your freezing bed soon warms up from body heat when someone is in it, even if they and/or the bed felt cold to start with.

Food gives the body energy. Energy is used to keep the body warm. The guests have eaten their own food before coming in. So their warm breath and bodies will heat your house at their expense. They have left their heat in your house. Think of a pub in winter when crammed, freezing outside then sweaty and warm inside.

I'd suggest if your room was cold say 11-12c after a couple of hours it would likely be 19-20c if enough people were present and of course it's a well-insulated property. To avoid letting this heat out when they leave, aim them out of a small window as near to the floor as possible instead to avoid opening the door.

Fair enough, but who wants to have a bunch of people hanging out in their living room/kitchen etc.
Also, in a country where people have to resort to inviting random people to heat their house, its bold to assume the invited people would have any food in their bellies.

The basement orgie is still a much better solution, it generates much more heat and with enough soundproofing its also 'out of sight out of mind'
No need for bellies to be full of food, exercise will cause the body to burn fat&muscle to produce body heat if it has to.
Plus your house will smell like love, or lovemaking i guess.

Strangers in your house is the way to go, you are just doing it wrong.

 

[mack341]

Due to dire food inflation, many of these visitors will probably have been dining on low cost baked beans the night before, and with all windows shut to preserve the heat there could be a few issues

 

[slot_zombie]

your house will smell like love, or lovemaking i guess.

Due to the lack.of affordable energy for hot water... sweaty cobblers, week old dingleberries and unwashed minge, more like.

Oh wait.

 

[dunover]

 

[bamberfishcake]

Has anyone seen this?

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Saw it on good old Russell Brands youtube channel where he talks about the energy companies making record profits again while our prices are being hiked. And how energy lobbyists don't need to put their visits into the parliamentary transparency log.



He also talks about how Risshit has significant investments in energy and how Lies Suss took a nice payment from them.

I like the idea of 1 million people giving the government the finger. Only by coming together will we stop the bullying. Doesnt matter who is the next PM because the system is completely broken.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Has anyone seen this?

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Saw it on good old Russell Brands youtube channel where he talks about the energy companies making record profits again while our prices are being hiked. And how energy lobbyists don't need to put their visits into the parliamentary transparency log.



He also talks about how Risshit has significant investments in energy and how Lies Suss took a nice payment from them.

I like the idea of 1 million people giving the government the finger. Only by coming together will we stop the bullying. Doesnt matter who is the next PM because the system is completely broken.

I've said this before bamber but I honestly can't recommend Private Eye enough, they cover this stuff constantly. I'm not saying Labour are as pure as the driven snow (they routinely ripped Blair and Mandelson a new arsehole back in the New Labour days), but the Tories are breathtakingly corrupt. The money that was made by Tories and their mates throughout Covid was shocking (covered in their 'Profits Of Doom' series), and they have their fingers in all the pies, and indeed are largely bankrolled by rich business interests, which is why I think the chances of Truss doing anything meaningful to the power companies is approximately zero.

Also, as Private Eye is a written publication, they are vulnerable to being sued for libel (which does happens sometimes), so they have to be very careful that what they're printing is true, unlike the 'do your own research' crowd reading any old shite on the internet and passing it off as gospel.

The cover price is £2.99 but if you subscribe you can get it for as little as £1.46 per issue. There's basically nothing on their website because as they point out, they're entirely reliant on people actually buying the physical copies to survive.

Money very well spent IMO.

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[dunover]

Russel Brand? Now I wonder if he can afford his energy direct debits this winter?

 

[bamberfishcake]

The cover price is £2.99 but if you subscribe you can get it for as little as £1.46 per issue. There's basically nothing on their website because as they point out, they're entirely reliant on people actually buying the physical copies to survive.

Money very well spent IMO.

I would like a subscription to Private Eye, have read a few copies in the past, but trying to save the pennies for other stuff at the minute.

Russel Brand? Now I wonder if he can afford his energy direct debits this winter?

He says in the video that he can afford it, but he knows what it's like to be poor. I wonder how many leaders we vote for know that feeling.

One of the things that struck me about the potential of the internet was how it can bring people together and how it could be a tool for changing the world. Its not a conspiracy theory to suggest that freedom of speech is being stifled for a reason. Its about control.

I don't particularly like the way our governments are entwined with big business and medicine. A better system would be to pay the Prime Minister and his cabinet the best paycheck in the land but ban them from having investments and interests in the companies they push right before our eyes.

No way should businesses be lobbying governments either. It used to be called 'throwing a bung' or 'bribery'.

I've signed for the 1 million not to pay. Not a hard choice for me. About time we stood together. The energy hikes are blatant theft from our pockets on the road to record profits for the shareholders. The Ukraine war is just an excuse.

I see they are suggesting a multi-billion dollar aid package for Ukraine again from the US. I wonder who will profit from that. I am afraid I can see that being a very long war. Governments are adding fuel to the fire with no intention of a resolution from what I can see. I feel for Ukraine and Russian people giving up their lives while politicians profit.

 

[interlog]

I see they are suggesting a multi-billion dollar aid package for Ukraine again from the US. I wonder who will profit from that. I am afraid I can see that being a very long war. Governments are adding fuel to the fire with no intention of a resolution from what I can see. I feel for Ukraine and Russian people giving up their lives while politicians profit.

But what can Governments do. Any serious intervention by Western Governments in this conflict will only result in the escalation of the conflict and possible war in Europe.

 

[bamberfishcake]

But what can Governments do. Any serious intervention by Western Governments in this conflict will only result in the escalation of the conflict and possible war in Europe.

I see it as the same as any conflict - either decisively and objectively intervene or stay out of it.

But do not, under any circumstances, fan the flames so you can profit from it.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Man who uses no gas sent a standing charge bill of £136.

OK then you think, just get disconnected, right?

Man who asked to be disconnected from the gas supply sent a bill of over £2200.

I'm sorry to have to remind you about this, but Liz Truss will be Prime Minister and it'll be her job to fix this. This is a woman who got lost trying to leave a room with one door.

Good luck.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ahhhh well, it would have all been much worse under Jeremy.

 

[dunover]

Ahhhh well, it would have all been much worse under Jeremy.

I haven't watched the video, but I can tell you now that 3.9 seconds of his fantastical utterances would turn most people to fascism let alone a whole 39 seconds. That wouldn't be the same austerity that was triggered under Brown's tenure?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I haven't watched the video, but I can tell you now that 3.9 seconds of his fantastical utterances would turn most people to fascism let alone a whole 39 seconds. That wouldn't be the same austerity that was triggered under Brown's tenure?

Yeah thank God we got Boris Johnson instead, because otherwise things might have turned out really shit. LOL.

And then from Monday we'll have Prime Minister Truss, to really hammer home the point that however bad you think things have got, it's always possible to sink lower.

Her first encounter with Starmer at PMQs should be interesting.

 

[Webzcas]

Sorry but a chocolate fireguard would have been a better choice than Corbyn. He is the reason the Labour Party are still not an effective opposition. If Corbyn was PM, unlike Boris Johnson, the UK would not and continue to support Ukraine. Under Corbyn our second strike capability in the form of Trident would be rendered redundant - when asked whether he would push the button if we were subjected to a nuclear attack, he intimated that no he would not.

 

[dunover]

Sorry but a chocolate fireguard would have been a better choice than Corbyn. He is the reason the Labour Party are still not an effective opposition. If Corbyn was PM, unlike Boris Johnson, the UK would not and continue to support Ukraine. Under Corbyn our second strike capability in the form of Trident would be rendered redundant - when asked whether he would push the button if we were subjected to a nuclear attack, he intimated that no he would not.

Then toadying up to enemies of the state, Hugo Chavez was a paragon of virtue to Corbum, the man who single-handedly wrecked an oil-rich country reducing the population to penury, starvation and subsistence within a decade so people fled to neighbouring Colombia to get simple necessities like paracetamol for their kids. I saw a few news articles prior to the 2019 election where working-class Labour supporters mentioned this kind of fact and simply didn't trust him, thought he was a traitor. I mean marxism, a philosphy of lunacy and destruction as proven by 100-odd years of its existence and 100 million deaths in the duration. And these 1970's style CND-badge wearing lefty school teacher type loonies still exist in their own little dystopian and anachronistic underword. The burke never did a day's real work in his whole life, student from a middle-class family and a whole lifetime of paid and pensioned political positions from council to the leader of Labour.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

In a move that no one could have seen coming.

Remember everyone, The. Tories. Are. Not. On. Your. Side.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sorry but a chocolate fireguard would have been a better choice than Corbyn. He is the reason the Labour Party are still not an effective opposition. If Corbyn was PM, unlike Boris Johnson, the UK would not and continue to support Ukraine. Under Corbyn our second strike capability in the form of Trident would be rendered redundant - when asked whether he would push the button if we were subjected to a nuclear attack, he intimated that no he would not.

I'm not sure 'wouldn't have participated in the extinction of the human race' is quite the burn some people think it is.

Nuclear weapons do fuck all, they don't even act as a deterrent, witness Putin in Ukraine. He might even end up using a tactical nuclear weapon on the country if things continue to go badly for him, and what will the West do in that scenario? Just sit and watch, because the only other endgame is full scale nuclear war which is the end of life as we know it.

Anyway, Corbyn didn't get to be PM, we haven't had a Labour government for twelve years now, so pointing over at Dear Old Jeremy and saying 'But he would have been RUBBISH!' counts for bugger all, the absolute shitshow of a state that the UK is in at the moment is on the Tories.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

The burke never did a day's real work in his whole life, student from a middle-class family and a whole lifetime of paid and pensioned political positions from council to the leader of Labour.

As opposed to Johnson who really put in some graft to get to where he is!

 

[dunover]

As opposed to Johnson who really put in some graft to get to where he is!

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Ah! So BoJo never worked as a journalist, columnist etc?

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Ah! So BoJo never worked as a journalist, columnist etc?

'Worked' might be stretching it a bit, since he was notoriously lazy, and of course got sacked from The Times for lying as well. Also his columns at The Telegraph were largely based on him literally just making nonsense up about the EU.

Uncle Jeremy has dedicated his life to public service, and I am proud to have him as my avatar. HAIL JEREMY.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

So I've watched Truss's interview with Laura Kuenssberg. The UK is in big trouble. (If you go onto iPlayer you can watch in on BBC1 by rewinding a bit.)

I mean, she's not completely incoherent or anything like that, but she clearly has no plan. Just endless bland platitudes and no commitments on anything, and she readily admits that her tax cutting plans will benefit the rich most.

 

[Webzcas]

I'm not sure 'wouldn't have participated in the extinction of the human race' is quite the burn some people think it is.

Nuclear weapons do fuck all, they don't even act as a deterrent, witness Putin in Ukraine. He might even end up using a tactical nuclear weapon on the country if things continue to go badly for him, and what will the West do in that scenario? Just sit and watch, because the only other endgame is full scale nuclear war which is the end of life as we know it.

No they do. If Ukraine had kept theirs, there wouldn't have been a Russian invasion. It is called a deterrent and for very good reason. This is why Putin has only issued cry wolf threats when it comes to nuclear weapons and his use of them. He knows by doing so, that Moscow will be turned to glass. It is called MAD for a reason.

 

[Webzcas]

So I've watched Truss's interview with Laura Kuenssberg. The UK is in big trouble. (If you go onto iPlayer you can watch in on BBC1 by rewinding a bit.)

I mean, she's not completely incoherent or anything like that, but she clearly has no plan. Just endless bland platitudes and no commitments on anything, and she readily admits that her tax cutting plans will benefit the rich most.

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I watched it, she does come across quite scripted and dare I say it, robotic!

 

[Webzcas]

'Worked' might be stretching it a bit, since he was notoriously lazy, and of course got sacked from The Times for lying as well. Also his columns at The Telegraph were largely based on him literally just making nonsense up about the EU.

Uncle Jeremy has dedicated his life to public service, and I am proud to have him as my avatar. HAIL JEREMY.

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I suppose he is a tad better than his brother Piers

 

[dunover]

'Worked' might be stretching it a bit, since he was notoriously lazy, and of course got sacked from The Times for lying as well. Also his columns at The Telegraph were largely based on him literally just making nonsense up about the EU.

Uncle Jeremy has dedicated his life to public service, and I am proud to have him as my avatar. HAIL JEREMY.

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LOL...Every school in the 70's and 80's had a teacher that looked like that, shabby, dishevelled with the obligatory SWP or CND badge who would readily jump on every right-on cause or bandwagon to the ridicule of the pupils. Cross between a hippy and a Lenin, usually had halitosis along with other personal hygiene issues and bad teeth with dried food in their beard.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I watched it, she does come across quite scripted and dare I say it, robotic!

Joe Lycett's amazing deadpan pisstaking afterwards was excellent though.

You can almost see the exact moment in Laura's eyes when she resolves to hunt down and murder whoever booked him for the show.

 

[mcgameboy]

Also, as Private Eye is a written publication, they are vulnerable to being sued for libel (which does happens sometimes), so they have to be very careful that what they're printing is true, unlike the 'do your own research' crowd reading any old shite on the internet and passing it off as gospel.

The cover price is £2.99 but if you subscribe you can get it for as little as £1.46 per issue. There's basically nothing on their website because as they point out, they're entirely reliant on people actually buying the physical copies to survive.

Money very well spent IMO.

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There really isn't any need to be putting yourself down like that mate.

And apart from anything else, don't you think that it's rather unsporting of you to deny us lot the chance to deliver the putdowns instead?

In all honesty, shame on you.....