UK Conservative Party Leadership Election

[ChopleyIOM]

The thing is though, who gets to decide what 'normal' and 'common sense' are, or indeed what 'normal people' are? One person's 'negative consequences' might be positive for someone else, 'traditional society' isn't a fixed entity that was defined at a single point in time and can never change.

There was a time it was normal for parents to physically assault their children as a form of punishment, it used to be normal for women not to have the vote, and I'm sure there were loads of people who thought that the legalisation of homosexuality was a 'negative consequence', brought on by the 'woke liberals' of the day no doubt.

Why do a bunch of straight, white, middle-aged men get to define what normality is for everyone else? For young people the whole trans debate is largely a non-issue, they're far more accepting of trans people and the notion that gender identity can change. Getting caught up on the whole CAN A WOMAN HAVE A PENIS thing misses the point by a country mile.

What is 'traditional society' anyway? Pick a year when this so called traditional society existed. 1955? 1968? 1947? 1972? It's a nonsense, it doesn't exist, society changes over time, normality changes over time, things that were normal 50 or 100 years ago we now rightly won't accept and/or have made illegal. 'Home correction' used to be a thing, whereby a husband could keep his wife 'well behaved' with physical violence, now we call it spousal abuse and you can get arrested for it. Or is that a bit of 'normality' and 'traditional society' that we can all agree should remain in the past?

The confected moral panic about trans people (already one of the most marginalised groups in society) is abhorrently close to what gay people had to suffer in decades past, I wonder if all the folks getting their knickers in a twist about trans people now (BUT WHICH TOILETS WILL THEY USE ZOMG?) would have been up in arms about THE GAYS in years gone by.....

 

[interlog]

You're comparing apples with oranges.

You are born either male or female. There is no between. Sexuality is different to changing ones sex or not recognising that you are either male or female. It is basic bioligy. Why would society want to change the basic bioligy.

 

[slot_zombie]

The problem is that it's not "confected" is it, when males compete (and win) female Olympic events because.. you know.. they decided they're a woman. Or biological males walking into female dressing rooms and toilets because.. again.

No problem with people dressing up or deciding they want to live as something that they are biologically not - I think we can all agree to live and let live, if nothing else - but they have to respect the limits of basic decency and decorum. But of course, being a straight, white middle aged man I have no right to an opinion (snide reference to this group noted).... talk about shitting on your own, eh?

 

[shadow123]

Think the UK is well on the way to a recession the likes of which we have never witnessed and will need very strong leadership
to steer us through it, cant see anyone on the horizon who is up to the job, certainly not Truss, she reeks of incompetance,
her body language reveals total lack of connection between brain and gob.God help us when she starts lecturing Putin again, she really
pissed him off last time and could start WW3 without trying if she became PM.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Think the UK is well on the way to a recession

I think there is a big recession on the horizon I am afraid.

Time to clear any debts and save some if you can.

 

[mack341]

The thing is though, who gets to decide what 'normal' and 'common sense' are, or indeed what 'normal people' are? One person's 'negative consequences' might be positive for someone else, 'traditional society' isn't a fixed entity that was defined at a single point in time and can never change.

There was a time it was normal for parents to physically assault their children as a form of punishment, it used to be normal for women not to have the vote, and I'm sure there were loads of people who thought that the legalisation of homosexuality was a 'negative consequence', brought on by the 'woke liberals' of the day no doubt.

Why do a bunch of straight, white, middle-aged men get to define what normality is for everyone else? For young people the whole trans debate is largely a non-issue, they're far more accepting of trans people and the notion that gender identity can change. Getting caught up on the whole CAN A WOMAN HAVE A PENIS thing misses the point by a country mile.

What is 'traditional society' anyway? Pick a year when this so called traditional society existed. 1955? 1968? 1947? 1972? It's a nonsense, it doesn't exist, society changes over time, normality changes over time, things that were normal 50 or 100 years ago we now rightly won't accept and/or have made illegal. 'Home correction' used to be a thing, whereby a husband could keep his wife 'well behaved' with physical violence, now we call it spousal abuse and you can get arrested for it. Or is that a bit of 'normality' and 'traditional society' that we can all agree should remain in the past?

The confected moral panic about trans people (already one of the most marginalised groups in society) is abhorrently close to what gay people had to suffer in decades past, I wonder if all the folks getting their knickers in a twist about trans people now (BUT WHICH TOILETS WILL THEY USE ZOMG?) would have been up in arms about THE GAYS in years gone by.....

There were 3 letters in the times yesterday, wish I could reproduce them, all from people formerly connected to the tavistock gender clinic. Laying out all the problems, some of the kids are autistic, some lesbian, some with depression or troubled backgrounds; yet other solutions/reasons were not explored, they were promptly put on a gateway to biological realignment, first hormone drugs and blockers then surgery once 17/18.

This is a far bigger thing than the jenner guy or frank maloney, a man gets to his middle age and wants to come out as a woman, start wearing dresses etc...

An example of normal common sense would not be turning a blind eye to widespread abuse of youngsters [incl gang rape] because the perpetrators came from a certain background. You can be sure if we've got to this level, to this mindset, there'll be plenty more examples.

£40 billion wasted on a tracking app for covid, when it was already so widespread, could've built 2 nuclear power stations for that to help supply lower cost electricity to people's homes, an example of priority.

You moved to the IOM in the 90s, I bet it's almost the same today, with no dramatic changes to the size or kind of populace, low crime, low homelessness, low unemployment, can see a GP in no time etc.. etc..

From my basic maths the IOM population would have to almost triple from 85,000 to 243,000 and then you'd have the same population density as england [2016 figs] I think you'd start to notice a difference then, especially if 10% were from other parts of the world and form no go areas on the island where you can't safely walk through.

 

[TheAddict]

Just set my auto clicker on that like button mack.

 

[slot_zombie]

Why do a bunch of straight, white, middle-aged men get to define what normality is for everyone else?

It's this sort of hateful, divisive, racist, ageist chuntering by the far left that ensures that Labour will never get into power no matter how heinous the Tories' incompetence. If we didn't have people that should know better spouting this guff on social media and forums, perhaps we'd all get along. I'll shut up now but this post has really pissed me off and the author is on the ignore list which I believe will stop their posts appearing altogether from now on. Sanity restored.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

It's this sort of hateful, divisive, racist, ageist chuntering by the far left that ensures that Labour will never get into power no matter how heinous the Tories' incompetence. If we didn't have people that should know better spouting this guff on social media and forums, perhaps we'd all get along. I'll shut up now but this post has really pissed me off and the author is on the ignore list which I believe will stop their posts appearing altogether from now on. Sanity restored.

EDIT - << On balance, I'll delete that, it's not constructive >>

 

[dunover]

It's this sort of hateful, divisive, racist, ageist chuntering by the far left that ensures that Labour will never get into power no matter how heinous the Tories' incompetence. If we didn't have people that should know better spouting this guff on social media and forums, perhaps we'd all get along. I'll shut up now but this post has really pissed me off and the author is on the ignore list which I believe will stop their posts appearing altogether from now on. Sanity restored.

Funny post considering the NAZI Tory MP's have chosen the last 3 candidates of which 2 are women and one an ethnic, now being fought out between a woman and an ethnic.

I think @ChopleyIOM thinks most of the English southerners live in rich villages, own lots of land and all drive Jags and Range Rovers while dropping little Oliver and Phoebe off at their fee-paying schools, then going home to don their white robes and pointy hoods to burn effigies of Diane Abacus and Trevor McDonald. Then go and have afternoon tea and scones with their racist pensioner parents, before going into the fields for an hour's exercise flogging some east European labourers.

The funny thing is, he lives in a location more like old England than England is, and seemingly not choosing the multicultural paradise and Labour councils of his native city, which I do find surprising - it seems in his case, the cap doesn't really fit at all so he doesn't wear it......

 

[bamberfishcake]

I think we need some new parties, based more around common sense and priorities.

I really like this idea. I believe the red and blue divide is a deliberate design and would welcome a fresh approach because, currently, things are not looking good for the future.

Why do a bunch of straight, white, middle-aged men get to define what normality is for everyone else?

Mentioning colour kind of nullifies any moral high ground or point you try to make. Let me ask you this - why shouldn't a bunch of middle-aged white men decide what's best for a country if they are clean of corruption, full of good intentions, and the most qualified for the role?

 

[dunover]

I really like this idea. I believe the red and blue divide is a deliberate design and would welcome a fresh approach because, currently, things are not looking good for the future.



Mentioning colour kind of nullifies any moral high ground or point you try to make. Let me ask you this - why shouldn't a bunch of middle-aged white men decide what's best for a country if they are clean of corruption, full of good intentions, and the most qualified for the role?

It's true enough - @ChopleyIOM post is exactly why even many of the patriotic working class avoid voting Labour, as this toxic tripe is prevalent among their Marxist/Lib-fascist cliques. It's bad in a way, as it allows a low-standard almost permanent Conservative government an easy path to election victory. Even Starmer himself is making sure he's seen to crack down on the toxic Trots in his party but it isn't fooling anyone. Whatever your feelings about the woman, Thatcher effectively changed the landscape of UK politics permanently hence no socialist govts. elected since the 1970's and the masses wanting to avoid the bad old days of strikes, union power-grabbing and unelected commmunist firebrands trying to bring everyone down to their level.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I'm comfortable with which side of this argument I'm on.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sunak going full-1984 at this point, next up, thought crimes!

I mean, I get who the 0.3% of the electorate they're trying to appeal to are, but even so, fucking hell.

Could be tricky the next time a radio station plays Burden of Shame by UB40 - ‘I'm a British subject, not proud of it, while I carry the burden of shame’.

 

[paul7388]

Sunak going full-1984 at this point, next up, thought crimes!

I mean, I get who the 0.3% of the electorate they're trying to appeal to are, but even so, fucking hell.

Could be tricky the next time a radio station plays Burden of Shame by UB40 - ‘I'm a British subject, not proud of it, while I carry the burden of shame’.

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Sunak can say what he wants it will not matter.

It is almost a certainty that Liz Truss will win the vote and be next Prime Minister.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Sunak can say what he wants it will not matter.

It is almost a certainty that Liz Truss will win the vote and be next Prime Minister.

I hope so, I bet a point on her winning.

 

[paul7388]

I hope so, I bet a point on her winning.

Well as it is the members that vote for her and they mostly say they would vote her over him looks guaranteed. Also so heavily odds on. Think you can actually get 10/1 on Sunak in some bookies so looks a cert she wins.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Nothing to see here, well, apart from Rishi Sunak boasting to a load of rich Tories in a wealthy area that he deliberately siphoned funds away from poorer urban areas to give more money to the rich.

 

[dunover]

Nothing to see here, well, apart from Rishi Sunak boasting to a load of rich Tories in a wealthy area that he deliberately siphoned funds away from poorer urban areas to give more money to the rich.

OK, OK, you convinced me I will not vote for Truss and will support Risky instead.

 

[bamberfishcake]

OK, OK, you convinced me I will not vote for Truss and will support Risky instead.

That is the harsh reality of British Politics. Two parties are in contention and neither inspires confidence because of the history of lies and false promises. Voting, or supporting either is hard for some.

What happened to Screaming Lord Sutch? That's the party for a lunatics vote.

 

[mack341]

The gender ideologists, in govt and political circles, after pushing their agenda will now end up costing the NHS a fortune in damages, plus obviously life time problems to what were confused children:

 

[ChopleyIOM]

 

[paul7388]

The gender ideologists, in govt and political circles, after pushing their agenda will now end up costing the NHS a fortune in damages, plus obviously life time problems to what were confused children:

Yeah they should never have been able to give treatment to children. If adults want to change their sex thats their choice. But no way should children ever be able to get treatment. Feel sorry for some kids but guess it is the sociery we now live in. Where parents actually go about telling people there 3 year old boy wants to be a girl and they then start dressing and treating the 3 year old like a girl and change their name. WTF a young kid is way too young to ever know what they are or what they want to be,.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Liz Truss stays stop blaming things on the EU and immigrants and work harder, moaners.

 

[mack341]

Liz Truss stays stop blaming things on the EU and immigrants and work harder, moaners.

See told you she was a libdem under her tory costume

 

[ChopleyIOM]

UK inflation now at 10.1%, the highest for 40 years.

Real wages also falling at fastest rate for 20 years.

Truss and Sunak have absolutely nothing to offer.

This winter is going to be brutal, when people start getting cold and hungry, civil disorder is not very far away.

 

[goatwack]

Gotta admit, seeing Supertanskiii's 'heartfelt' appeal for donations to get rid of the Conservatives in various ways was fairly droll, even if the satire's rather one-sided. Didn't think I'd like her shtick, yet surprisingly, did!

Special shout-out to her usage of the term 'classholes', that's one to add to the glossary

 

[Webzcas]

Let's put this into some context. Below is the current inflation rates across Europe:

With the table below showing all G20 countries:

 

[Webzcas]

This winter is going to be brutal, when people start getting cold and hungry, civil disorder is not very far away.

Oh on this we completely are in agreement. The 1970’s what a decade! We are about to return to it.

Major industrial strike actions planned. Out of control inflation, oh and war in continental Europe still a raging.

Happy days!

 

[Webzcas]

Inflation likely to jump even higher if the information with regards the energy price cap in the Mail is to be believed. Absolutely frightening!

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[ChopleyIOM]

Cartoon in the current Private Eye gave me a chuckle.

 

[mack341]

 

[goatwack]

It's true, Sunak's odds are diminishing rapidly, ever since he knocked himself out on that baggage handling conveyor belt

 

[justdoit]

Has Rishi even done a big tory conference speech, passed me by if he has. I think the members might choose him to prove they're not racist, plus Truss comes across as though she's not plugged in, winging it far too much.

Rishi's explanation re his wife's tax situation is not acceptable and she's received lockdown handouts for some of her failing businesses [something like that] not good optics. So either way we, or conservatives, are *****d.

Bring back Boris I say, for all his faults he's better than these two put together.

they got nothing prove 70% of parliament are foreigners is not many real Brits left in parliament, soon you see some Nigeria dud UK PM,same time he will send scam emails Prince died we need to transfer $100000000
nothing agains Nigeria but UK should run by Brits not foreigners or have some Rules like to be UK PM they need to have 4-5 UK generation in UK, not from illegal channel crossings jump in Parliament run all UK

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Well let's see how that pans out....

Cutting taxes means bugger all to a lot of people, and it won't help them one jot with the appalling crisis that is going to descend on the UK this winter.

 

[mack341]

Well let's see how that pans out....

Cutting taxes means bugger all to a lot of people, and it won't help them one jot with the appalling crisis that is going to descend on the UK this winter.

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Lower tax still means a lot in the uk, we're not sweden or denmark happy to trust the govt will and can spend the money well and provide top services in return.

But also 'no nonsense conservatism' is the 2nd part of the Vulcan's message.

 

[slot_zombie]

I'd be happy to pay high taxes if in return we got top notch services. But in this country, we pay high taxes and get knob all, relatively speaking.

The Tories need to get their arses in gear because Labour's "freeze energy bills" message is bloody seductive, even if it's being delivered by a charmless, left wing lawyer-politician.

I actually agree they should simply say the cap isn't going up this winter, end of. The energy companies pleading poverty are mostly raking it in upstream at the point of extraction/generation, so they could and should well afford to take a hit at the retail end.

 

[goatwack]

The only crisis is the manufactured one foisted unto unsuspecting populations, if going by food prices alone - lest we talk about the world's worst-kept secret of how many tonnes of food are destroyed daily to control prices.

Or how energy companies are busting a cap in caps because they can, as politicians meekly watch on. And what was the point of their presence at Downing St, other than to gloat at their record quarterly profits? Pardon me if I don't do leaps of joy at politicians' apathy and pledges to 'freeze' supposed price caps that slide around more than Torvill & Dean.

Much like this 'Cost of Living Crisis' brought about by the Media's drumming up yet another alarmist, doomsday scenario to keep people in constant fear. So what happens? Well, companies seize this opportunity to take the piss of course!

So up go the prices, much like earlier, when upon returning from my pseudo- gym workout, I scoured the Tesco Direct shelves for the ever-reliable £5 Daz washing powder, only to have to do a double-take as the price now read '£5.05'. No great shakes you might say, but an obvious, cynical price-hike without merit. What, has the price of phosphonates risen in the last few days? Zeolites? Wankers

Short of griefing the till lady, who'd seemingly already got jip from the customer before me, I chose to forego the pleasure and vowed to direct my ire at the politicians that choose to let everyone run amok, and so laugh at their condescending attempts to quell discontent with promises of 'freezing' caps.

Anyone still of the belief that any one of those goons in Westminster are here to help ordinary people out, and lead them out of this situation we're facing, should consider giving their head a wobble

 

[dunover]

The only crisis is the manufactured one foisted unto unsuspecting populations, if going by food prices alone - lest we talk about the world's worst-kept secret of how many tonnes of food are destroyed daily to control prices.

Or how energy companies are busting a cap in caps because they can, as politicians meekly watch on. And what was the point of their presence at Downing St, other than to gloat at their record quarterly profits? Pardon me if I don't do leaps of joy at politicians' apathy and pledges to 'freeze' supposed price caps that slide around more than Torvill & Dean.

Much like this 'Cost of Living Crisis' brought about by the Media's drumming up yet another alarmist, doomsday scenario to keep people in constant fear. So what happens? Well, companies seize this opportunity to take the piss of course!

So up go the prices, much like earlier, when upon returning from my pseudo- gym workout, I scoured the Tesco Direct shelves for the ever-reliable £5 Daz washing powder, only to have to do a double-take as the price now read '£5.05'. No great shakes you might say, but an obvious, cynical price-hike without merit. What, has the price of phosphonates risen in the last few days? Zeolites? Wankers

Short of griefing the till lady, who'd seemingly already got jip from the customer before me, I chose to forego the pleasure and vowed to direct my ire at the politicians that choose to let everyone run amok, and so laugh at their condescending attempts to quell discontent with promises of 'freezing' caps.

Anyone still of the belief that any one of those goons in Westminster are here to help ordinary people out, and lead them out of this situation we're facing, should consider giving their head a wobble

Hmmmph....my Morrisons Blue Slime ice lollies boxes of 5 have gone from £1 to £1.20, as have the bubblegum ones. The only saving is if I buy 3 boxes, whereupon the price is £3.25 IIRC. I use Daz as it's nice to have my name in the kitchen always, and I have to say the price has been fixed at £8 for the 5200g box for nearly 2 years where I shop.

 

[satchnz]

5p and 20p price increases….pffft! The Beluga Royal caviar that I get delivered from Harrods has gone up from £1,750 to £1,995 per 250g tin. I’ve even had to cut back to one tin per month. Cost of living crises are not becoming.

 

[dunover]

Dread to think what my Fortnum and Mason Christmas hamper will cost this year...

 

[ChopleyIOM]

More fool me for making a political prediction, but I think that if Truss wins the leadership election (which she almost certainly will), the Tories will lose the next general election.

Her planned tax cuts will help the rich far more than middle and lower earners, and those on fixed incomes such as pensioners who don't pay tax anyway, if you're on £30K per year her tax cuts won't even touch the sides of the energy price rises, whereas Labour's pledge is to completely eliminate any further rises for at least six months, which would get everyone through the winter.

And then you've got shite like her pledge to have a bonfire of EU rules that are still on the statute books, which basically no one gives a fuck about now, they're far more concerned about the fact they can't go to the beach on a sunny day because the privatised water companies are pumping out millions of gallons of untreated shit into the sea and onto the beaches. Against that backdrop, regulation starts to look like quite a good idea.

The mood has turned IMO, there is decent public support for the strikers, for example, as working people are starting to realise that organised labour movements are the only defence they have against rampant neoliberal capitalism.

Truss has nothing the people of the UK want, she'll be in thrall to the ERG as well, so she'll make increasingly headbanging anti-EU noises as if there are still some votes in that, when everyone knows now that Brexit is a busted flush, they won't get a second election win out of it.

End of the line after twelve years of disastrous Tory rule, good riddance to bad rubbish, they'll be out at the next election. Hopefully the damage they've done can be repaired.

 

[mack341]

More fool me for making a political prediction, but I think that if Truss wins the leadership election (which she almost certainly will), the Tories will lose the next general election.

Do you believe if Rishi were to win instead the tories would succeed at the next GE?

I agree re the raw sewage issue, this is the modern tories weakest aspect when they kowtow to shareholder interests and appear to have an indifference to anything other than bottomline profit.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Do you believe if Rishi were to win instead the tories would succeed at the next GE?

I agree re the raw sewage issue, this is the modern tories weakest aspect when they kowtow to shareholder interests and appear to have an indifference to anything other than bottomline profit.

I think Sunak would fare better, but he's still got too many weak spots, not least his wife's Non-Dom status and the fact he had a Green Card for years (including when he was Chancellor), because that's how much he loves the UK..... Also being one of the richest men in the country whilst people freeze to death in winter (which absolutely will happen on the current trajectory) isn't a great look either.

The Tory philosophy works 'well' (I deliberately put the word 'well' in inverted apostrophes there) when the majority of normal people feel like they're doing OK too, so they don't care so much about the rich making out like bandits because things are going decently for them too - this breaks down when the rich continue to make out like bandits, but everyone else gets fucked - which is the state we're in now.

 

[goatwack]

Decent support for the strikers

Apart from the fact that this isn't he 1970s anymore, most can see their demands as unreasonable and greedy, and given many people's financial standing currently, relatively privileged. Nor are people as resentful or as inconvenienced as one might think, with many having adapted to WFH and even grateful for saving on the travel expenditure.

The only ones thinking their deployment has any real bearing in 2022 are Corbyn acolytes like Long-Bailey who still think flares rule the roost and ordinary workers cower at the sight on Union officials and their grandstanding , blackmailing methods. But yes, down with the fat cats! Raa!!

Unless what was being inferred had actually been the merits of using a 4-4-2 as opposed to a single striker, and whether Aguero had been getting the service a player of his calibre warranted, when compared to say Shearer, or whether the likes of Tevez were overrated. In which case, my bad

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Decent support for the strikers

Apart from the fact that this isn't he 1970s anymore, most can see their demands as unreasonable and greedy, and given many people's financial standing currently, relatively privileged. Nor are people as resentful or as inconvenienced as one might think, with many having adapted to WFH and even grateful for saving on the travel expenditure.

The only ones thinking their deployment has any real bearing in 2022 are Corbyn acolytes like Long-Bailey who still think flares rule the roost and ordinary workers cower at the sight on Union officials and their grandstanding , blackmailing methods. But yes, down with the fat cats! Raa!!

Unless what was being inferred had actually been the merits of using a 4-4-2 as opposed to a single striker, and whether Aguero had been getting the service a player of his calibre warranted, when compared to say Shearer, or whether the likes of Tevez were overrated. In which case, my bad

Goodness me Goaty, do you have a version of that post that actually makes any sense?

These are people on £20-£30K in the main, they're not living lives of luxury, they're pretty much just getting by, maybe able to pay a mortgage, therefore just about able to think about owning their own house eventually once they've finished giving the banks their pounds of flesh. They're struggling with their shopping bills, they're struggling with their energy bills, and this is before winter kicks in.

Why is there this constant race to the bottom amongst the working class? Why do we get annoyed with other working class people who've actually managed to secure themselves a reasonable wage and reasonable conditions? I see it so many times, 'Well that person has X, Y and/or Z', why don't I have that too, take that off them!'

The bad guys here aren't working class people who've managed to secure themselves decent working conditions and pay through unionisation and the willingness to exercise their power in the only meaningful way they have available to them, namely that there are far more of them than there are rich fuckers, and their ability to withdraw their labour in a co-ordinated and impactful manner.

Sheesh man, pick a side, the lass who's earning £20K per year and just wants to keep a roof over the heads of her family in the face of the highest taxes and inflation in decades, or the cunts heading up the privatised water companies, earning millions of pounds per year, whilst pumping endless gallons of literal fucking shit into our seas and onto our beaches - and they'll still get 'performance related bonuses' because their shareholders have made out like bandits.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I wish this wasn't still as relevant today as it was in 1940:

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Lower tax still means a lot in the uk, we're not sweden or denmark happy to trust the govt will and can spend the money well and provide top services in return.

But also 'no nonsense conservatism' is the 2nd part of the Vulcan's message.

So here are some numbers on the tax cut plans, what Truss is proposing will put one pound - (yes, one single pound) - back into lower income households, whereas the better off will be getting about £30 per week.

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These numbers are coming from the Tories, by the way. (Yes from Sunak's side, it's true to say, but the fact remains that Truss is peddling dangerous inflationary nonsense here.)

Labour's plans would save every household thousands of pounds.

 

[Webzcas]

I had the misfortune to meet John Redwood back in 1994 when I was working for the Welsh Office in Carmarthen, where in his role as then Secretary of State for Wales, he visited our outpost. Typical politician. Anyhow /EndOfThreadDerail

 

[mack341]

So here are some numbers on the tax cut plans, what Truss is proposing will put one pound - (yes, one single pound) - back into lower income households, whereas the better off will be getting about £30 per week.

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These numbers are coming from the Tories, by the way. (Yes from Sunak's side, it's true to say, but the fact remains that Truss is peddling dangerous inflationary nonsense here.)

Labour's plans would save every household thousands of pounds.

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Sunak has been guiding the ship, now the ship is heading towards rapids, his claim as best man to avert disaster is highly questionable.

Her idea is [I'm guessing] that families with £30 extra income a week will help prevent a deeper recession. But if it gets spent on amazon it will do bugger all to protect the high street jobs.

It is a very difficult situation, rising energy costs and interest rates etc... I still don't feel a groundswell reaction from the public of looking towards labour to solve the problems.

When you put the TV on, with all the adverts for electric cars and £800 mobile phones etc...you wouldn't think there was a big recession looming.