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Don't derail the thread with troll-like comments please.

I'd check that IP if I were you Bryan. I just checked my user CP and have neg rep from this thread, in particular my comments to Jan. No username that I know of either. It doesn't bother me, actually tells me that my comments are bugging someone.

Thanks for the screenshots Cindy and Rusty.....now at least I have an idea what the games look like. I thought of opening my own play account, but am actually leery of even downloading their software. I just don't trust them.

Re: Mansion and the VP fault. I'm not familiar with that issue, I'll have to go search it up.

Nice writeup Jetset.....that will go to all clients of Infopowa right? :thumbsup:

I wouldn't touch these guys either, none of them. It amazes me though that there will still be players who will continue to play there, and webmasters/affiliates who will promote them (in some cases heavily). This issue coupled with that Rome "chat" session is mindblowing to me, as well as TG's comments on this forum. As Rusty said, my head is spinning.
 
Hi Bryan,

No offense in any way but your statement

"Where is the due diligence? Where is the player trust? Why does it seem that these casinos have a contemptuous attitude toward players AND this forum?"

is a little generalistic no?

As Thebes Casino representative I most certainly do not have a contemptuous attitude towards players and this forum , I have been doing my best to respond to as many people in a timely and informative fashion.

Any player complaints that we have had a Thebes Casino (and Max will confirm this) have been resolved in a way that is satisfactory to the player.

I can understand why you feel this way especially with recent events but as I have said many times I am here to answer any and all questions that I can.

For those of you that are still waiting for the much heralded screenshot I requested from Topgame I am sorry to say that I have not yet received it from the TG technical department but will post it here as soon as I have it.


Best Regards


David
 
David, I do appreciate your participation and professionalism in this thread, and on the forum in general. I just hope you understand how frustrating it is for all of us here when Topgame themselves seemingly refuse to answer to any of this? Ignoring this forum (and Bryan in particular) is NOT a smart move.

I would like to ask you a question if I could. Are the games at your particular casino affected as well? Or is this issue confined to Rome Casino (and possibly others)? Is it a network wide thing? I'd actually be surprised if it didn't affect all the casinos. I always sort of assumed it was a software problem, not a casino specific problem. Have the jackpot versions of these games been pulled at Thebes Casino as well?

Also, perhaps you could shed some light on the comments/questions that Rusty made re: the paytables and the payout of five wilds while not on max bet. Do you get nothing for five wilds on a payline if you're not playing at the max bet?
 
Hi David,

Thanks for popping in.

David, can you tell us how Thebes is going too (or has already) handled this this problem with the non-existent winning symbols on the slots?

Thanks
 
<derail>
jan thanks for the negative rep... Hope you don't mind that I reciprocated.
</derail>

You too Lots0? LOL.....mine didn't come from him, but it's sure not anyone I know. Must be someone who just decided to sign in and dole out some neg rep. Pretty petty if you ask me, given the seriousness of this whole thing.

EDITED TO ADD: Bryan looked into the neg rep thing, and I may have been wrong. Whoever it was that did it, had no "rep" so it only showed as neutral. He said that neg rep shows up as red in your user CP. I don't want to accuse anyone (or imply anyone from TG) if that is not the case.
 
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Hi David,

My comments are directed solely at Top Game. They are seriously dropping the ball which will have repercussions with all of their clients.

What is at stake here is player trust and fair treatment. So far, Topgame's rep has pretty much shot that to hell. If I were a Topgame casino operator, I'd be looking for another software provider.
 
max bet is $5 per line so if all lines are selected 13 xs 5 = 65 bucks

So much worse even than the $45 we were previously told it was.
There are so many issues here I think my head is about to explode.

I think with Douguies Delights, it would be $45 a spin Rusty, as I believe it's a 9 line slot? The Diablo 13 one is a thirteen line slot, so $65 as you said. However you look at it, anyone who did play these games at TRUE max bet, with no chance of winning, spent a shitload of money for nothing. The amounts that we "could" be talking about are mind boggling actually.
 
Hi lots0

Always glad to pop in here ;)

Ill try to answer your question in the briefest and most concise way , ive been doing a lot of typing the last few days ;)

Seriously though the issue with the Wilds is a serious one and raises the same questions for you and others here as it does for me.

Now for as how we are handling it at Thebes Casino I have contacted TG management and am expecting and awaiting a detailed reply as to what and how.
Obviously I need to wait until I hear from them what exactly the implications of the 'missing' wilds are and who was affected but for any players that were adversly affected I will come up with a fair way of compensating them.
 
<derail>
jan thanks for the negative rep... Hope you don't mind that I reciprocated.
</derail>

That is absolutely unfreaking real for an Industry Rep and General Manager for an online casino group to act in this manner here. This guy is 54 years old too for gawds sake, and he is acting as though he is a teenager..:rolleyes:

About jan.strydom Date of Birth
March 13, 1955 (54)
General manager for online casino group/ Executive consultant to the industry
Senior VP - Software platform

The guy has been unprofessional in ways and limits that I have not seen before from someone in his position and the utter disdain he has showed toward players and posters here should get his ass fired if Top Game ever want to really try an make a positive mark on this industry!

It's guys like this that tarnish this online casino business for everyone. I actually feel for David's position here in this thread and you know he has to feel utter embarrassment for his brand as well after his counterpart Jan.Strydom has acted here and showed his ass the way he has.
 
I think with Douguies Delights, it would be $45 a spin Rusty, as I believe it's a 9 line slot?

I don't think this is a Jackpot slot Pina and only reels 2,3 and 4 have wilds.
but who knows?


It's guys like this that tarnish this online casino business for everyone. I actually feel for David's position here in this thread and you know he has to feel utter embarrassment for his brand as well after his counterpart Jan.Strydom has acted and showed his ass the way he has.

Seconded Rob,
I think we can all feel for David here, he is caught between a rock and a hard place taking all the shots while Topgame leave Him in the frontline and hide.

I think I am right in saying Topgame are somewhere in Eastern Europe, possibly Russia.
 
You play at online casinos when you have kids living at home?! Go be a mother instead.

What a small minded nasty little remark and to someone who is giving up their time to try and help despite having health concerns.
Your Mother must be very proud.
If it was up to me I would ban your ass for that post alone.
 
I don't think this is a Jackpot slot Pina and only reels 2,3 and 4 have wilds.
but who knows?

Aren't there two versions of it Rusty? One with a jackpot and one without? The progressive jackpot of $192,000 was removed from the progressive one prior to any of this becoming public. The one that they have put back online this morning is the non-progressive version, according to the post from Jonathan (Jan) that I quoted from the CasinoScam forum.
 
Aren't there two versions of it Rusty? One with a jackpot and one without? The progressive jackpot of $192,000 was removed from the progressive one prior to any of this becoming public. The one that they have put back online this morning is the non-progressive version, according to the post from Jonathan (Jan) that I quoted from the CasinoScam forum.

Oh dear this is not getting any clearer is it?
There could be though there is only One version listed in Free play mode and it is not listed under Jackpots.
It would be strange to have the same slot except One has 3 Wilds and the other has 5 Wilds and is a Jackpot slot.

Maybe it is still offline if it exists and that is why it is not listed.
David from Thebes maybe able to clarify some of these points.
 
Oh dear this is not getting any clearer is it?
There could be though there is only One version listed in Free play mode and it is not listed under Jackpots.
It would be strange to have the same slot except One has 3 Wilds and the other has 5 Wilds and is a Jackpot slot.

Maybe it is still offline if it exists and that is why it is not listed.
David from Thebes maybe able to clarify some of these points.

I posted this earlier this morning Rusty. It was posted by Jonathan at the CasinoScam forum late last night.

Hi

ok the games were pulled and checked - and put back yesterday - BUT not in the Jackpot area - most of the confusion is related that the wild symbols are required to win the Jackpot now that is true but not so in the normal game were the wild can appear in any line.

so to clear maybe any confusion - the wild symbols missing in line 1 and 5 is only related to the Jackpot games and not relevant in the normal game - The jackpot games are not back yet.

anybody can contact me personally if he believes he was inconvenienced in any way

hope this clears it up

Jonathan

There is definitely a jackpot version of Douguie's Delights, as this is the game that had the $192,000 jackpot mysteriously removed. PRIOR to Topgame or Rome Casino even knowing there was any game malfunction, or so they say anyway. As to him saying the jackpot games are not back yet, not true. Diablo 13 is back, although according to what he posted on CAP, the game won't load if you try to enter it.

I just posted on this issue at CAP, and asked Dom if I could link back to here. Jonathan has posted there trying to make out like all is hunky dory, A-OK, when that couldn't be further from the truth. The admin of the Scam forum posts over there as ssd, and has not let him off the hook one bit, and clearly refuted his claims of things being "fixed". And of course, no one had brought up compensation to ALL of the affected players. All I know is that at $45 and $65 a spin, this could cost them a pretty penny. Of course, they could have saved themselves a ton of money and aggravation if they had taken the emails to them seriously, instead of telling a player there was nothing wrong with the game, and it was just a dropped internet connection. :rolleyes:
 
Ok peeps...

Bryan already made mention of 3jokers insulting comment. It was unfair and unneccessary, but let's move on from it. I'd hate to see generally bright, sound folks skid to 3jokers level.

Now back to our scheduled programming! :cheers:
 
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these have jackpots
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Crazy Jungle 15 lines 494,429.20
Dioblo 13 lines 152,348.31
Fandago 15 line 460,448.67
Fruit Slots 25 lines 404,429.20
Sweet Surprise 25 lines 460,448.68


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Fruit slots 3 lines an 5 lines share same jackpot from what I see 404,870.88
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Sweet Surprise 3 lines 460,480.60


only 1 version of Douguie's Delights an it is not a Jackpot Game might have been yesterday but as of right now it wasnt:eek:

an if you look at the size of them jackpots they will never be hit least not buy me as I wont be betting like $45 a spin or more :eek2:

that is outlandish:eek:

Cindy:rolleyes:
 
only 1 version of Douguie's Delights an it is not a Jackpot Game might have been yesterday but as of right now it wasnt:eek:

an if you look at the size of them jackpots they will never be hit least not buy me as I wont be betting like $45 a spin or more :eek2:

that is outlandish:eek:

Cindy:rolleyes:

It definitely WAS a jackpot game, and it had better be again at one point, as there's $192,000 to be accounted for. I posted this back when I started the thread, posted by Eviecakes at CasinoScam on May 26th:

I would just like voice a concern regarding my play Rome Casino. I have been playing there for a few weeks and did enjoy a couple of the slots like Dougiues Delights and Diablo 13. Dougiue had a rather large progressive of $192,000.00 that could only be won if the player got 5 wilds on a pay line, I played this game extensively and never once seen the wild symbol on reels 1 and 5, not even scroll by. Then one day the jackpot was gone so I concentrated on Diablo 13 as it currently has a jackpot of $145,000.00 running. Well, the game at first had wilds on all 5 reels consistently coming up at 3-4 many times making the payouts nice for the player, the bonus rounds which required at least 3 or more of the wizard to open was lousy, if you finally got it you may get $1 playing at 65 cents. Well then I logged on a few days ago to play Diablo 13 and they had changed the way the slot plays. The wilds had dissapeared from reels 1 and 5 and was rarely seen on 2, 3 and 4. But if you did get a five of a kind the payout was better than before but much harder to come by. The thing that really frustrated me was that the bonus rounds since the change now may or may not open. A few days ago when I was playing Diablo 13 I had gotten the 3 and 4 wizards 5 separate times playing max bets and not once did the bonus rounds open, which on the other few occasions when it did it was paying out better than the previous setting, but if it won't open, then the payer is being cheated out of bonus round winnings.
I wrote the casino an email voicing my concern which was not addressed. I played a $15 bonus they had put into my account yesterday and had moved on to the fruit slot that also had a progressive, but was totally irritated when the first bonus of getting 3 pineapples also did not open the bonus round.

Coupled with Jonathan's post from the same forum that I quoted above, it would lead one to believe there were two versions of this game, one progressive and one non progressive. When I questioned Jonathan as to how someone could have won the jackpot with the wild symbols AWOL, he replied that it hadn't been won, but had been "removed". WHY was it removed? According to them, their games were functioning fine, no reason to remove the jackpot....they certainly didn't see fit to remove the game, did they?

Why am I getting this feeling there's something more diabolical here? I know, just my overactive mind at work.

In re: bet size....I couldn't agree more Cindy. Never in a million years would I bet $50 a spin on a slot, progressive or not. The same poster Evie posted again today on the CSR forum about her play on Douguie, and that while she never thought she'd win it, it was nice to dream of a progressive win like that. I really have to wonder if she (and others) even realize that they have no chance of winning it unless they're betting $45 a spin? How many people actually bet that amount? I would guess the average player would bet anywhere from 5c to maybe 50c a line, or 45c to $4.50 a spin, tops. I would bet there are alot of players at Topgame who don't realize they would never win the JP playing normal stakes.

EDITED TO ADD: I have now also posted over at GIA, with a brief explanation of the issue(s), and a linkback to here. So that's the affy forums, tomorrow I'll start on some player forums. Friday is my shopping day, but I'll find the time to get in a post or two where I can.
 
Hi David,

My comments are directed solely at Top Game. They are seriously dropping the ball which will have repercussions with all of their clients.

What is at stake here is player trust and fair treatment. So far, Topgame's rep has pretty much shot that to hell. If I were a Topgame casino operator, I'd be looking for another software provider.

Totally agree. The manner in which Top Game are (mis)handling this situation is mind-boggling.

Kudos to David for communicating with the players despite his own difficulties in getting a Top Game response to these troubling issues, which must be impacting his business along with other TG clients.

And a big thumbs down to the guy who made the provocative comments about mothers (bless 'em!)
 
If someone doesn't have much experience posting in these forums, and try to jump into a forum like this over a problem/complicated thread without having any real forum interaction experience... I can see how it can be easy to get overwhelmed, stressed out, take things the wrong way, resulting in responding very poorly.

I don't think Jonathan's responses would have been the same had he been a savvy forum poster. And I do think that sometimes people can look guilty of things they aren't guilty of, just because of the way they mis-word their forum replies.

This is a very serious issue, of course. But there's been new game bugs/serious errors at MGS and RTG brands many times. The problem isn't that we found a problem with a game. It's a problem if after communicating the error, it's not properly handled. This obviously wasn't handled well at all.

In my opinion, I don't think this all adds up to intentions to defraud players, or lack of respect for privacy, or lack of integrity. I think this situation has escalated because of Jonathan's lack of understanding that being a new software, or any new casino, they haven't earned anyone's trust yet. And the only way to earn it is to be very careful with the words he uses in his communication, and the actions he takes to back-up those words.

Everyone really came down hard on this. Maybe after Jonathan re-reads things, he might see that had he responded differently, and acted on this issue immediately, things would never have gotten to this point.
 
If someone doesn't have much experience posting in these forums, and try to jump into a forum like this over a problem/complicated thread without having any real forum interaction experience... I can see how it can be easy to get overwhelmed, stressed out, take things the wrong way, resulting in responding very poorly.

I don't think Jonathan's responses would have been the same had he been a savvy forum poster. And I do think that sometimes people can look guilty of things they aren't guilty of, just because of the way they mis-word their forum replies.

This is a very serious issue, of course. But there's been new game bugs/serious errors at MGS and RTG brands many times. The problem isn't that we found a problem with a game. It's a problem if after communicating the error, it's not properly handled. This obviously wasn't handled well at all.

In my opinion, I don't think this all adds up to intentions to defraud players, or lack of respect for privacy, or lack of integrity. I think this situation has escalated because of Jonathan's lack of understanding that being a new software, or any new casino, they haven't earned anyone's trust yet. And the only way to earn it is to be very careful with the words he uses in his communication, and the actions he takes to back-up those words.

Everyone really came down hard on this. Maybe after Jonathan re-reads things, he might see that had he responded differently, and acted on this issue immediately, things would never have gotten to this point.

I'm very surprised at this post.
Come down hard?
I personally have never been so restrained.
I think this thread has been extremely cordial and balanced thus far given that Topgame have failed to respond to some very big issues.

There has been no escalation just CM members trying to make sense of this in the bewildering absense of Topgame and Jonathans response is One of the smaller issues IMO.
Of course you are entitled to your opinion but what are you basing it on?
Topgames silence?
As far as I can see there are many points Topgame need to address.

1) Progressive Jackpots that can only be won on $45 and $65 bets?

2) Progressive Jackpots that can not be won because of missing symbols.

3) Failure to inform players of any changes to software. (possible manipulation)

4) Failure to act decisively and remove games when the problem was known

5) Failure to inform players of fault even when it was known.

6) Removal of progressive Jackpot total yet to be reinstated

7) Failure to explain what changes were made to software and why that caused missing symbols.

8) Failure to respond to this thread or Casinomeister

9) unprofessional and confrontational behaviour from Jonathan.

10) Failure to adequately compensate affected players.

I may have missed some but those are off the top of my head.

Nothing personal daera but I'm stunned you have formed the opinion you have given all the outstanding issues.
 
Topgame Official Response

To all concerned

Please once again accept our sincere apology for this whole issue. We apologize to the players and to our operators, its affiliates and to all members of the forum.
As a platform software supplier, we never had any intention to mislead or to create a scenario where a player could not win the Jackpot. We know the industry well and as a new provider, understand more than most the importance of credibility and transparency.

There is currently a lot of confusion related to the games in question as the games were pulled and put back on the same day, except for the jackpot games where the glitch is and that the wilds did not appear in the lines correctly. Please understand that in the rest of the non Jackpot games the wilds in line 1 and 5 are not relevant at all and only reflect in the Jackpot game which is currently being repaired. The game will be returned as soon as possible for players to enjoy. I want to also ensure players that the current payout is at 96.7% reflecting a very decent and above average payout percentage.

We are also currently in the process being tested by TST and will share the outcome very soon. Certificates will be posted on all operator websites.

As a final goodwill gesture, Topgame offers all players concerned a return of all deposits and where we believe the players were compromised, a 100% return and some goodwill comps. Our technical team will in the next days proceed with the refunds on a player by player basis.

Also note that I personally only represent Topgame and not Rome or any other of our current Casinos.

Please once more accept our true and sincere apology for the software bug, also for the slow response but promise to stand by our operators and players 100%
.
Contact me personally at [email protected] related to any query.

Jonathan
Topgame
 
Hi Rusty,

I don't disagree with your post at all. This could have been handled better in a million ways.

Just stating something I happen to know first hand, that when you're new to forums it's easy to say things that can really upset people while not having any idea what you've said or done wrong at the time.

And fyi, I don't know Jonathan at all, except from his posts on the forums.
 
If someone doesn't have much experience posting in these forums, and try to jump into a forum like this over a problem/complicated thread without having any real forum interaction experience... I can see how it can be easy to get overwhelmed, stressed out, take things the wrong way, resulting in responding very poorly.

I don't think Jonathan's responses would have been the same had he been a savvy forum poster. And I do think that sometimes people can look guilty of things they aren't guilty of, just because of the way they mis-word their forum replies.

This is a very serious issue, of course. But there's been new game bugs/serious errors at MGS and RTG brands many times. The problem isn't that we found a problem with a game. It's a problem if after communicating the error, it's not properly handled. This obviously wasn't handled well at all.

In my opinion, I don't think this all adds up to intentions to defraud players, or lack of respect for privacy, or lack of integrity. I think this situation has escalated because of Jonathan's lack of understanding that being a new software, or any new casino, they haven't earned anyone's trust yet. And the only way to earn it is to be very careful with the words he uses in his communication, and the actions he takes to back-up those words.

Everyone really came down hard on this. Maybe after Jonathan re-reads things, he might see that had he responded differently, and acted on this issue immediately, things would never have gotten to this point.




I happen to appreciate your perspective here. :) It may not be popular, but there's nothing wrong with what you had stated.
 
To all concerned

Please once again accept our sincere apology for this whole issue. We apologize to the players and to our operators, its affiliates and to all members of the forum.
As a platform software supplier, we never had any intention to mislead or to create a scenario where a player could not win the Jackpot. We know the industry well and as a new provider, understand more than most the importance of credibility and transparency.

There is currently a lot of confusion related to the games in question as the games were pulled and put back on the same day, except for the jackpot games where the glitch is and that the wilds did not appear in the lines correctly. Please understand that in the rest of the non Jackpot games the wilds in line 1 and 5 are not relevant at all and only reflect in the Jackpot game which is currently being repaired. The game will be returned as soon as possible for players to enjoy. I want to also ensure players that the current payout is at 96.7% reflecting a very decent and above average payout percentage.

We are also currently in the process being tested by TST and will share the outcome very soon. Certificates will be posted on all operator websites.

As a final goodwill gesture, Topgame offers all players concerned a return of all deposits and where we believe the players were compromised, a 100% return and some goodwill comps. Our technical team will in the next days proceed with the refunds on a player by player basis.

Also note that I personally only represent Topgame and not Rome or any other of our current Casinos.

Please once more accept our true and sincere apology for the software bug, also for the slow response but promise to stand by our operators and players 100%
.
Contact me personally at [email protected] related to any query.

Jonathan
Topgame

an how are players supposed to get said refund an comps not all people come to CM yes there are a few in the world that dont come here so how is this process gonna be done?
Cindy
 
To all concerned

Please once again accept our sincere apology for this whole issue. We apologize to the players and to our operators, its affiliates and to all members of the forum.
As a platform software supplier, we never had any intention to mislead or to create a scenario where a player could not win the Jackpot. We know the industry well and as a new provider, understand more than most the importance of credibility and transparency.

There is currently a lot of confusion related to the games in question as the games were pulled and put back on the same day, except for the jackpot games where the glitch is and that the wilds did not appear in the lines correctly. Please understand that in the rest of the non Jackpot games the wilds in line 1 and 5 are not relevant at all and only reflect in the Jackpot game which is currently being repaired. The game will be returned as soon as possible for players to enjoy. I want to also ensure players that the current payout is at 96.7% reflecting a very decent and above average payout percentage.

We are also currently in the process being tested by TST and will share the outcome very soon. Certificates will be posted on all operator websites.

As a final goodwill gesture, Topgame offers all players concerned a return of all deposits and where we believe the players were compromised, a 100% return and some goodwill comps. Our technical team will in the next days proceed with the refunds on a player by player basis.

Also note that I personally only represent Topgame and not Rome or any other of our current Casinos.

Please once more accept our true and sincere apology for the software bug, also for the slow response but promise to stand by our operators and players 100%
.
Contact me personally at [email protected] related to any query.

Jonathan
Topgame

Nevertheless - it's a day late and a dollar short. Unacceptable - this should have been dealt with as soon as it was reported - not when players start freaking out in the fora.

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I'm on my way out, but wanted to say that I thought Rusty's post was great. It provides a very good overview of all the problems that need to be addressed.
 
Good summary, CM.

I'm still trying to get my head around what possible technology glitch could be responsible for the still mysterious disappearance of these Wilds.

You're right to be astonished at the time it took for the statement by Jan.Strydom to appear today (19 June).

Reported at the end of May and yet the issue is still on fire - that doesn't look like effective and efficient crisis management, I'm afraid and there may be trust consequences for Top Game as a result.
 
First off I'd like to say thanks to Pinababy69 for bringing this issue from our forums to Casinomeister so that it got the proper attention it deserves. And of course I would like to thank Evelyn (Eviecakes) for bringing this problem out to the entire community. Without her post it might have gone on for quite sometime.

As of this morning Diable 13 is showing all wild symbols on all 5 reels so Top Game did fix that problem.

There are although a few unanswered questions for Jonathan most of them were already posed by Rusty and Pinababy69 like the question about the max bet a player needs to put down to win the jackpot. $45 a spin? Is this true?


Rick
CSR
 
I'm on my way out, but wanted to say that I thought Rusty's post was great. It provides a very good overview of all the problems that need to be addressed.

Thanks Pina, I do believe there are still explanations and reassurances needed before many people can simply put this down to a glitch and poor PR and I would like to ask Jonathan some questions publicly and to add some detail onto his statement so that he can help us all understand exactly how this came about.


To all concerned

Please once again accept our sincere apology for this whole issue. We apologize to the players and to our operators, its affiliates and to all members of the forum.
As a platform software supplier, we never had any intention to mislead or to create a scenario where a player could not win the Jackpot. We know the industry well and as a new provider, understand more than most the importance of credibility and transparency.

There is currently a lot of confusion related to the games in question as the games were pulled and put back on the same day, except for the jackpot games where the glitch is and that the wilds did not appear in the lines correctly. Please understand that in the rest of the non Jackpot games the wilds in line 1 and 5 are not relevant at all and only reflect in the Jackpot game which is currently being repaired. The game will be returned as soon as possible for players to enjoy. I want to also ensure players that the current payout is at 96.7% reflecting a very decent and above average payout percentage.

We are also currently in the process being tested by TST and will share the outcome very soon. Certificates will be posted on all operator websites.

As a final goodwill gesture, Topgame offers all players concerned a return of all deposits and where we believe the players were compromised, a 100% return and some goodwill comps. Our technical team will in the next days proceed with the refunds on a player by player basis.

Also note that I personally only represent Topgame and not Rome or any other of our current Casinos.

Please once more accept our true and sincere apology for the software bug, also for the slow response but promise to stand by our operators and players 100%
.
Contact me personally at [email protected] related to any query.

Jonathan
Topgame


Hi Jonathan,
Thank you for realising the importance of communicating properly with forum members (Your customers/players and business partners/affiliates)
I am sure David from ThebesCasino appreciates it too.

As I stated at the head of this post there are still some things I am unclear on that you may well be able to help me with for which I would be grateful.

When you state;
As a platform software supplier, we never had any intention to mislead or to create a scenario where a player could not win the Jackpot

You are not saying this situation developed out of nowhere I am sure so
can you tell us exactly what the intention behind modifying this game/s was?

The game/s functioned normally for some considerable time so there needed to be a deliberate intention to change something within the game to cause the Wilds from reel 1 and 5 to be removed.
If this removal of the wilds was a software bug caused by a modification to the game can you please explain how this came about?

Also could you inform as to how fewer reel stop positions (no wild) on reels 1 and 5 did not cause the game to crash but to apparently function normally including the correct award of prizes (except the Jackpot)
Do these slots function as bingo games rather than slots where prizes are preselected and the result displayed graphically rather than awarded for winning combinations from the 5 reel stop positions?

So what was the original motive to change the game/s and how did these changes cause the missing Wilds?
You continued.
We know the industry well and as a new provider, understand more than most the importance of credibility and transparency.

Again altering gameplay mechanics on a game that is live (especially Jackpot slots!) without the players knowledge is unethical in my view and anything but transparent but I realise you are not the only software provider that believes players should be kept in the dark.

Understand more than most the importance of credibility and transparency?
Empty statements with false sentiment will not wash.
(No wash no transparent :o)
If Topgame or any other software provider truly wants to be transparent then drop me line - I will make you crystal clear and squeaky clean!

There is currently a lot of confusion related to the games in question as the games were pulled and put back on the same day, except for the jackpot games where the glitch is and that the wilds did not appear in the lines correctly.

Why were the other games (Non Jackpot) pulled if they did not suffer from the same mysterious glitch?
the wilds did not appear in the lines correctly.
Bit of an understatement if I may say so since they did not appear at all because they were missing.

Can you confirm that the Jackpot totals will be the same as when the games were pulled when they are reintroduced?

Please understand that in the rest of the non Jackpot games the wilds in line 1 and 5 are not relevant at all and only reflect in the Jackpot game which is currently being repaired. The game will be returned as soon as possible for players to enjoy. I want to also ensure players that the current payout is at 96.7% reflecting a very decent and above average payout percentage.

Is that 96.7% with or without the Wilds on reels 1 and 5 or is your software designed in such a way it makes no difference?

We are also currently in the process being tested by TST and will share the outcome very soon. Certificates will be posted on all operator websites.

I assume this testing was not done previously then.
Can you confirm all games on your platform are being tested and not just the Jackpot games?

As a final goodwill gesture, Topgame offers all players concerned a return of all deposits and where we believe the players were compromised, a 100% return and some goodwill comps. Our technical team will in the next days proceed with the refunds on a player by player basis.

That is really the First positive thing to come out of this.
Are you going to be proactive in contacting affected players, doing all you can to contact them I mean, rather than just addressing those that contact you?

What are Topgame doing about the ludicrously high wagers required for a player to be eligible for a Jackpot - $45 and $65 a spin I believe?

It seems some players (probably many) are playing these Jackpot slots under the misapprehension they could win it on lower stakes.
Will you making extra clear the requirements for a Jackpot win?
Incidentally What is the prize for 5 Wilds on a winline that does not award the progressive Jackpot?

Sorry for so many questions and such a long post Jonathan but if you could answer each comment and question comprehensively it would be appreciated by all and will no doubt save us both some time in the future.
 
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Good summary, CM.

I'm still trying to get my head around what possible technology glitch could be responsible for the still mysterious disappearance of these Wilds.

You're right to be astonished at the time it took for the statement by Jan.Strydom to appear today (19 June).

Reported at the end of May and yet the issue is still on fire - that doesn't look like effective and efficient crisis management, I'm afraid and there may be trust consequences for Top Game as a result.

I can think of one. When Top Game started out, their games were criticised for being very "boring". Top Game have continually tweaked these games so as to make them more interesting.

One way of making games more interesting is to increase the variance. This can be done by altering the reel strips. Perhaps there was an intention to tweak these games, but the WRONG symbol was removed, and since there is only ONE wild, removing it has catastrophic consequences. The intent may have been to remove a different symbol, one that appears more than once, and balance this by tweaking the paytable, or the bonus round.

The suggestion that the removal of the wilds does NOT affect the payout of the non-jackpot version is consistent with Rusty's suggestion that they work like "bingo slots". If a 5 of a kind were determined, the software, bereft of wilds on reels 1 & 5, would simply use the normal symbol instead. It MAY even credit the win, but not display correctly, rather than crashing altogether.

When Mega Moolah had the error in the jackpot wheel, it did NOT crash, but incorrectly displayed the wrong segment. Unfortunately, it was the segment for the "MEGA" jackpot that was selected for display (because latter frames showing the move onward to the "mini" were missing), and created quite a stir.

It should be possible to analyze the reel strips of a simple Top Game slot, and run it through a slot analyzer. If this shows the true UNWEIGHTED payout, based on reelstrips, to be way out of line of the 96% quoted, then we would have evidence that Top Game slots are NOT what they seem.

Stating that the progressive jackpot of some $192K was simply "removed" rather than won is even MORE worrying. Many of those progressives are large, and what guarantee is there that others will not simply be "removed" at the whim of Top Game. Since this removal was BEFORE Top Game knew of the problem with the missing wilds, there has to be another reason, but thinking up a LEGITIMATE one that will convince players that Top Game can be trusted is going to be a problem.
If Top Game say it WAS the problem with the missing wilds that prompted the removal of the progressive, Top Game then have the problem of explaining why they were effectively LYING to players about the problem merely being down to "internet connections".
 
I figured I would post this too. I tried to get this resolved, but it's been 9 days and it doesn't seem to be working.

I was playing blackjack on my first deposit and was getting to my last $120 or so. I played two hands at once, each for $50 a bet.

One hand was dealt a 19, and the other 11. The dealer was showing an 8. I decided to gamble and went to see if I could double down for less on the 11 since I only had $20 left.

I went to double down, then it said I didn't have enough funds. Whatever, guess I can't do it for less. So I clicked cancel, and the blackjack game exited. I went back to blackjack, and it wouldn't let me resume. It only showed my prior hand to that.

So, I went into my game history and saw it was saved there. It shows I lost $100 to the dealers 8. It won't show what the dealer had, so obviously it's an error on the software part. Don't want to call it rogue yet, but if this software is already getting this many complaints, I wouldn't be surprised.

Anyways, heres a screenshot of the hand.

lostmoney.jpg
 
With all due respect to David from Thebes (who seems the only rep involved being genuine and upfront), why would anyone play at any TopGame site after reading this????

I wouldnt even deposit SOMEONE ELSES money with any of them.

David - my advice to you mate is take Thebes over to RTG or MGS or something before TopGame ruin your brand any further.
 
With all due respect to David from Thebes (who seems the only rep involved being genuine and upfront), why would anyone play at any TopGame site after reading this????

I wouldnt even deposit SOMEONE ELSES money with any of them.

David - my advice to you mate is take Thebes over to RTG or MGS or something before TopGame ruin your brand any further.

In the absence of any further response or explanation from Topgame I am afraid I have to agree with you.

No explanation as to why the Jackpot games were being tampered with.

No explanation as to how these changes caused the missing Wilds.

No explanation (If Pinababy's timeline is correct) as to why the Jackpot was removed before the games were removed because of the fault.

No explanation as to how the RTP is calculated - are these Bingo slots where prizes are preselected and the slot reels merely a graphic representation of the result and not true slots?

No explanation as to why the stakes need to be so ludicrously high to win a Jackpot - $45 and $65 a spin.

No explanation as to what 5 Wild symbols pay if the game is not played at $45 and $65 a spin. -It appears this may be nothing!

No explanation or mock screenshot provided of the 5 Wilds that a player hit on a 45c bet but only won under $5 from other combinations.

No explanation as to when the Jackpot that was removed will be reinstated to the Jackpot game. (Just a promise it will)

Readers may well have a few more of their own but when so many very important questions that actually challenge the integrity of the software and its provider go unanswered then we are left to draw our own conclusions as to why.
The Casinomeister warning should be very well noted.
 
Player Privacy

to answer

1. we responded the day we received a notification - I personally don't frequent these forums for the simple reason that I would not get any work done - with respect!

2. please this is out of proportion - emails are for everybody to see today.

3. firstly the progressive jackpot was removed from the game and not won.

4. I believe we shall take look at every player related and take the proper action as stated above but for you to dictate to us what to do is unacceptable, we are a professional operation doing our best to service our product.


I believe we have more than satisfied the players issue and are sure that she will be a good ambassador for Topgame's Casino's.

to close - We as a fairly new gaming software supplier are going out of our way to ensure proper games, payout ratio's and providing a service to our operators(currently 22) we certainly have some issues to resolve but as we are a serious company with many years of combined online gaming experience, We are sure to prevail and give many players from around the world a decent gaming experience - bear with us and see.

thank you

Jonathan
Topgame

PS: the games in question will be up as soon as possible with the fixes in place.

2. please this is out of proportion - emails are for everybody to see today.

I have printed out and reviewed their own rules and rule 27 states: Rome casino is dedicated to the privacy of it's players and as such will only publish the first name and last initial of the player when required to do so.
So if they follow their own rules, players personal information is confidential. I thank those of you who snipped that info.
 
In the absence of any further response or explanation from Topgame I am afraid I have to agree with you.

No explanation as to why the Jackpot games were being tampered with.

No explanation as to how these changes caused the missing Wilds.

No explanation (If Pinababy's timeline is correct) as to why the Jackpot was removed before the games were removed because of the fault.

No explanation as to how the RTP is calculated - are these Bingo slots where prizes are preselected and the slot reels merely a graphic representation of the result and not true slots?

No explanation as to why the stakes need to be so ludicrously high to win a Jackpot - $45 and $65 a spin.

No explanation as to what 5 Wild symbols pay if the game is not played at $45 and $65 a spin. -It appears this may be nothing!

No explanation or mock screenshot provided of the 5 Wilds that a player hit on a 45c bet but only won under $5 from other combinations.

No explanation as to when the Jackpot that was removed will be reinstated to the Jackpot game. (Just a promise it will)

Readers may well have a few more of their own but when so many very important questions that actually challenge the integrity of the software and its provider go unanswered then we are left to draw our own conclusions as to why.
The Casinomeister warning should be very well noted.

And here we are all this time later....and STILL no answers to these questions. Personally, I want to know WHY the Progressive Jackpot of $192,000 was removed in the first place...when the software supplier denies any knowledge of game malfunction during that time. And has it been reinstated IN FULL?

Also, where is the screenshot of the player who got five wilds on a game, but got no payout for the five wilds? And, an explanation for a progressive jackpot that can only be won a $45 bet (for the nine line slot), and a $65 bet (for the 13 line slot).

Answers to all of Rusty's questions would be a great start.
 
And here we are all this time later....and STILL no answers to these questions. Personally, I want to know WHY the Progressive Jackpot of $192,000 was removed in the first place...when the software supplier denies any knowledge of game malfunction during that time. And has it been reinstated IN FULL?

Also, where is the screenshot of the player who got five wilds on a game, but got no payout for the five wilds? And, an explanation for a progressive jackpot that can only be won a $45 bet (for the nine line slot), and a $65 bet (for the 13 line slot).

Answers to all of Rusty's questions would be a great start.

I doubt very highly if TG will answer anybodies questions, they have yet to stand up, I can hear these little voices from a makeshift basement HQ, we will just let the casino's take the bullets, its worked so far.
 
And here we are all this time later....and STILL no answers to these questions. Personally, I want to know WHY the Progressive Jackpot of $192,000 was removed in the first place...when the software supplier denies any knowledge of game malfunction during that time. And has it been reinstated IN FULL?

Also, where is the screenshot of the player who got five wilds on a game, but got no payout for the five wilds? And, an explanation for a progressive jackpot that can only be won a $45 bet (for the nine line slot), and a $65 bet (for the 13 line slot).

Answers to all of Rusty's questions would be a great start.


I think exactly like you:

I want to know WHY the Progressive Jackpot of $192,000 was removed in the first place...when the software supplier denies any knowledge of game malfunction during that time. And has it been reinstated IN FULL?

Everything you said has a lot of sense :lolup:
 
Bump

We still do not have the answers that have been asked many times and in many ways.
The issues are just as important as they were when this thread was started, so how about it?
 
I know 1 of the Top Game casino reps posted some where in this forum that the jackpot that was taken from " Douguies Delights " was in fact added to another game

I will find it might take me a few days to find it but I will unless after they posted it they deleted it but I know for a fact that I read it

Cindy
 
From Noah at Rome Casino

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rome-casino-top-game-support-disaster.31711/

post 129

this is the closest I can find about where the missing jackpot went I know there is still a post that says it was actually put on a certain game


Cindy

Hi Cindy,

I think you will see in the response by the Thebes representative that he too said there was no indication the jackpot amount was removed, but that the jackpot game was. To this date I still have found no evidence of the jackpot amount actually being removed from the game while the game was allowed to continue without it.

Kind Regards,

Noan
 
Hi Cindy,

I think you will see in the response by the Thebes representative that he too said there was no indication the jackpot amount was removed, but that the jackpot game was. To this date I still have found no evidence of the jackpot amount actually being removed from the game while the game was allowed to continue without it.

Kind Regards,

Noan

Hiya Noah<
what he says is Prior """""No explanation (If Pinababy's timeline is correct) as to why the Jackpot was removed before the games were removed because of the fault.

As far as I am aware the jackpot was not removed prior to the games being removed however I could be wrong here and this issue I still have to confirm. As TG have stated testing by TST is underway and we are eagerly awaiting the results.""""

No explanation as to when the Jackpot that was removed will be reinstated to the Jackpot game. (Just a promise it will)

Rusty's post #130

""""" Also we agree on the response from Topgame being unprofessional and I thank you David for your response and also informing us that One of the Jackpots has now been reinstated."""""""

an it is very odd that No 1 can say where $192,000 went


Cindy
 

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