The Playtech Problem

mitch said:
Karen I think I need to be blunt, not to insult you but to save you money.
What you have said is absolute bollocks!

These are the stories of snake oil salesman. No betting system can overturn probability. You are playing a negative progression system, therefore you will win the majority or large majority of betting sessions. You will however give it all back on your losing sessions.

That's how it works, believe me, the casino has not 'thrown a switch', they don't need to, they just need to wait for the inevitable to happen.

Do not believe, or worse, pay for these systems. Play them if you like, these methods are no worse or better than any other method, just don't expect to win overall in the long run unless you play sensibly with bonuses.

Mitch

True, they don't need to, but believe me, Playtech owns The Mother of all switches!!


It took me over 4 years and over 200 deposits in at least 25 different Playtech casinos to admit defeat. They will never see another dime of my money.
 
I know that Omni is not a Playtech Casino, but I have to share this story. Talk about flipping the switch....a few weeks ago I posted about an incredible winning streak playing BJ at Omni. I had something like 8 or 9 winning sessions in a row, a loss, then 4 or 5 more winning sessions. I was up $10,000. After that, I've had one losing session after another, and I mean ugly, bad losing sessions. Almost never up during any session. The majority of my doubles and splits were losers. Lots of 20's that lost to a dealer 21. I kept thinking it had to turn (classic gambler's mistake), but it didn't. I gave back a little over 1/2 my winnings (spread out over many sessions) before I just said to heck with it. On one hand, you can't complain about winning almost $5000, but on the other hand, it really makes you wonder. I've always thought Omni had a fair game of BJ, and I'm not ready to suggest there is anything "unusual" going on based on this latest losing streak (it is a relatively small small sample size), but man this really plays with your head and makes you ponder what is really going on behind the scenes. I can almost picture someone staring at my game logs and saying..."Ok, he's up $10,0000, lets take him down". I don't really think that is the case, but it is sure is a nagging thought in the back of my mind, especially since I have had similar situations at Omni in the past (several nice winning sessions, followed by a series of fast, ugly losing sessions).
 
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Vegas Red Experience

I had been reading this thread today and then deposited at Vegas Red Casino, a Playtech.

My initial balance is 320, every bet below is 10:

First 12 hands : -12 units, with 1 push, 0 wins.

Next 29 hands: -14.5 units, 7 wins, 20 losses, 1 push
On Doubles: 2 wins, 4 losses,
Blackjacks: 1 for me, 4 for dealer

Final 30 hands: -6.5 units, 3 Doubles lost, 1 double won.


I'm aware this doesnt mean anything and I dont know if I think playtech is rigged, but since everyone is speculating I thought I'd throw this in.
 
Sorry this is dumb. If you think the game is rigged, then don't play. If its not rigged, then using a WAG strategy is never going to make you any money.

Hahaha, I agree that the strategy is illogical, but for having put so much money and time using basic strategy (and almost never getting results), I thought that I should go against what the predicted play (or obvious play would be).

I can almost picture someone staring at my game logs and saying..."Ok, he's up $10,0000, lets take him down".

I know that I've never used the words "rigged" (implied or suggested yes, said no), and based on my poor results, all I can come up with is that same visual that you've come up with.

I'll agree that it was "dumb" of me to keep to sticking with PlayTech software for as long as I did AFTER I stopped winning. I did VERY well from '02 to early '03 :) , and that was the end of that :( . I've read of a few other people who've felt the same way (or shared the similar experiences), or who've stopped winning since that point in time.

These days, I only deposit at places like 32Red, Ladbrokes, RoxyPalace, Maple Casino, and Fortune Lounge. But for all the PlayTech's that I'd gone to, and the multiple deposits I'd made at most of them, I occasionally get bonuses dropped into my accounts (birthday/loyalty). And when I do play PlayTech BJ, I mix-up strategies, and get far better results. I've played at PlayTech enough to know NOT to stick with the same pattern (and not to go with the obvious play). Sorry if it doesn't work for some people, and it's certainly not something I wanted to do, but for whatever the reason, I've been winning more (but I still won't put another penny into PlayTech)

Well actually I agree with johnsteed on this one!
I have tried this in real real money play - and it does work!
I have been known to mock martingale players as being Kamikaze, preferring myself to double up when I win. But a few times when the 'switch' was definitely on, I reversed to doubling when I lost, and hey-presto, I stopped losing!

Give it a try, and let me know how you get on!


Thank you KK!

If the same strategy (basic) doesn't work 100 times in a row, why stick with it. On any other software, I've done alright using basic strategy. But with PlayTech, I approach it differently. I don't know if it's rigged, and I'd never be able to prove it anyhow, so I don't really care to investigate a losing cause. But in my opinion, after playing almost every second day for 2 years (and 2 good years EVEN before that) at various PlayTech casino's, it just "seems" that the cards come out a certain way. A perfect example would be splitting A's on a dealer showing a bust card. Those small holes, are supposed to be to the players advantage, and you MUST split. But I don't anymore. Why? Because when I start recording certain opportunities, I start to notice that all too often I'm winning on one hand and losing on the other (off the split). I would assume that if the dealers showing a 6, and I have two A's split, I have a pretty "frick'n" good chance at winning, but I don't. So these days, I don't split, almost always win as well. And it's a no-no to split bust cards, but it seems that golden opportunities come out of this. If it's "dumb" to play this way and win, then label me "dumb".
 
funeralparty said:
True, they don't need to, but believe me, Playtech owns The Mother of all switches!!


It took me over 4 years and over 200 deposits in at least 25 different Playtech casinos to admit defeat. They will never see another dime of my money.

It took you 4 years to decide they were rigged?

I guess they forgot to throw "the switch" on me. I took them for several thousand on their generous sign up bonuses. Right around my expected result.
 
mgibson99 said:
I know that Omni is not a Playtech Casino, but I have to share this story. Talk about flipping the switch....a few weeks ago I posted about an incredible winning streak playing BJ at Omni. I had something like 8 or 9 winning sessions in a row, a loss, then 4 or 5 more winning sessions. I was up $10,000. After that, I've had one losing session after another, and I mean ugly, bad losing sessions. Almost never up during any session. The majority of my doubles and splits were losers. Lots of 20's that lost to a dealer 21. I kept thinking it had to turn (classic gambler's mistake), but it didn't. I gave back a little over 1/2 my winnings (spread out over many sessions) before I just said to heck with it. On one hand, you can't complain about winning almost $5000, but on the other hand, it really makes you wonder. I've always thought Omni had a fair game of BJ, and I'm not ready to suggest there is anything "unusual" going on based on this latest losing streak (it is a relatively small small sample size), but man this really plays with your head and makes you ponder what is really going on behind the scenes. I can almost picture someone staring at my game logs and saying..."Ok, he's up $10,0000, lets take him down". I don't really think that is the case, but it is sure is a nagging thought in the back of my mind, especially since I have had similar situations at Omni in the past (several nice winning sessions, followed by a series of fast, ugly losing sessions).

Quitting while one is ahead... THAT takes discipline.

So couldn't you also deduce that when you were winning $10,000, the switch for the player was "on"? I'm not sure if it necessarily has a switch...I prefer to call the play "streaky".

Just logged off from playing Omni. Decided that since my graduate paper was almost done, I'd shoot for the $100 bonus. Bought in for $1400, played only multi-hand blackjack, one to two hands. I figure I wanted to make at least the bonus...

Quickly went up to $1700. At one time, I was betting $45 per hand, two hands. The winning streak ended abruptly with a dealer 21. Logged off to calculate my wagering totals.

Wagered again...this time $20 per hand, two hands. Couldn't catch anything, usually faced with stiffs of 13 and 16 against the dealer 10. Went down to $1400 (my initial buy-in). The good news : I hit the WR for the bonus... bad news: decided to keep playing, since I felt that I had an additional $100 to play with.

Did the same - $20 per hand, two hands. Would occasionally add a third hand if things became too dicey - and THAT was a mistake, since it tended to land the dealer a blackjack. Went down to $900. So even with the bonus, I would be $400 in the red.

I decided to play one hand - with an initial bet of $20 - and run it up to $1000. Once I reached that goal, I'd go two hands at $20 each. The first run was choppy...then ultimately successful, as I would press my bets during the win streak and ended with a balance of $1200. Stopped playing one hand when I lost the hand.

Changed over to two hands. Once again, pressed my bets during wins. Quickly ran it up to $1500. Decided that it was the time to cash out. Including the bonus, I netted $200. One hour of work.

My run from $900 to $1500 occurred in two play sessions. The first one, with one hand, netted $300. The second one, with two hands, netted the same amount. My strategy involved pressing bets during wins, then stopping at a loss.

If I were to flat bet, I would still be in the negative, as I never Martingale during losing sessions. By pressing bets during winning sessions, my win streaks need not be as long as the losing streaks to make a profit. There ARE potential pitfalls, however, especially when you begin splitting and doubling.. and have large bets out there... and THAT was the time the losing streak begins. Talking about ouch. I once had two pairs of 8s against a dealer 6, with the initial bet of $60. Split and doubled down twice, with the result being $360 on the table, and no hand higher than 19.

Didn't even blink when the dealer flipped over a 4 from under the 6, then matched it with a 10.

Live by the sword, die by the sword - but a $720 swing.. that's some edge to that blade.
 
mitch said:
Karen I think I need to be blunt, not to insult you but to save you money.
What you have said is absolute bollocks!

These are the stories of snake oil salesman. No betting system can overturn probability. You are playing a negative progression system, therefore you will win the majority or large majority of betting sessions. You will however give it all back on your losing sessions.


Mitch

Mitch, honestly, what I said is not bollocks and if you PM me I'll give you a link where you can try this out for free and see for yourself. Just try it in fun money mode & you'll be gobsmacked. No need to spend a penny in real money though 'cos it don't work. I don't believe any system can be successful in the long term and haven't paid out anything for one either.

The point I was trying to make is that the software these operators are using is either different, or set up differently, depending on whether you're playing for fun or with real money. The system I tried worked 100% (apart from when the odd zero popped up) when playing for fun, but when you try it in real money mode it doesn't. They shouldn't tell you it's the same software for both real money and fun money, when its obviously not.

P.S. No offence taken to the "bollocks" either as that's exactly what I would have thought If I'd not seen this for myself.
 

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