The future of online casinos thanks to BGT & multiways

[steveh35]

As we know BGT have come along and taken over casino play with Bonanza and now Extra Chilli and I think Dunover said they account for 20% of casino profits now.

With Red Tiger launching their own multiways game will the future of casino play be just multiways is there a market for what are called "egg-timer" games, will these type of games eventually be faded out as they won't be able to bring in a profit.

Will smaller providers be swallowed up by the big players as they look for market share.

Will MG, NetEnt & Play & Go be forced into making their own multiways.

If more and more casinos try to gain back some ground with their own BGT style games where do you see online casinos in 2025 for example, will we all just be playing the same few games as all the none multiways look old fashioned.

What games will be remade for multiways could we get a multiways Rhino slot or a Rainbow Riches 60million ways slot?

 

[Valhalla]

Since I'm old school (mainly MGS and NetEnt), could you tell me what you mean by multi-way and egg timer?

 

[steveh35]

Since I'm old school (mainly MGS and NetEnt), could you tell me what you mean by multi-way and egg timer?

Multiways is when a slot has different ways of paying for example on Bonanza each spin has different number of pay lines as there could be more symbols per line, the new red tiger game has up to 60 millions ways of paying.

An egg-timer is where the base game pays zero over multi spins and you tend to only get big wins on the bonus feature.

I am sure someone else can explain it better.

 

[goatwack]

Well yep as with everything nowadays it will all become dumbed down to the point where every game looks the same, with the only discernible difference being which one one pays 'more ways'

Saddest part being 20/ 25 liners will be ancient history, never mind the classic 9- liners of days gone by. I don't see it as exciting times ahead, but rather stale, thanks to Bonanza's astonishing, industry- changing success. Creativity will almost certainly be stifled.............

 

[shadow123]

BTG are certainly a game changer, think Netent will be long gone.
I try all the new games as they are released on VS,perhaps 1 in 10 have some merit, the rest are
just rehashes of old ideas.Think the days of the standard 5*3 reels 3scatters for 10 crapspins
are getting numbered now.

 

[Valhalla]

If games like Thunderstruck 1, Tally Ho, Agent Jane Blond (etc) become a thing of the past I will be done.

 

[shadow123]

Think MG will be long too

 

[aceking123]

i would think that a gap has opened in the market, to make a good slot which pays on average 100x plus this doesn't have to be multi lines , maybe a slot with three levels going from low to super high.

 

[eizei]

Well yep as with everything nowadays it will all become dumbed down to the point where every game looks the same, with the only discernible difference being which one one pays 'more ways'

In my opinion the situation was actually pretty bad before these new providers like BTG, Red Tiger and Push Gaming started popping out. MG was mostly pushing out clones and Netent focusing on pretty graphics and sounds with almost zero innovation. Now there's at least some competition although admittedly Red Tiger for example also has a lot of games that are basically just clones of each other and BTG's popularity clearly has other providers going in the same direction. Even then I would argue we're in a much better spot game variability wise than some years ago.

 

[nikantw]

I wouldn't worry even if Bonanza got 80% of play.
I worry more about SOW and restrictions and max bet at $2 and max win at $5000 and crazy taxes up to 300% of net profit that will force TRTP down to 86%.

 

[dunover]

I actually said I hear at LAC one or two casinos state (confidentially so I won't name them) that BTG's few games account for 20%-ish of their turnover. Egg-timer slots are games with a math model or to coin Chopley's turn of phrase 'pernicious' pay tables such as many Netents which mean your balance can only go down irrecoverably once you are say 50x bet down on the session. Although recoveries are possible, they remain unlikely. I was down 250x bet on Bonanza yesterday for example, then an all-ways spin awarded 6 ways of 6OAK diamonds for 300x bet.
You can't really cite MG in this case as many of their slots behave similarly to Bonanza, like GoT, Term2, TFROL, IR etc.

There is though an undoubted trend towards 'adrenaline' slots as opposed to many 'grinders' that are out there.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Personally, I think part of the problem is the sheer amount of slots being churned out by the bigger providers.

There's is not a week going by without a new slot from each: Play'n GO, MG, Red Tiger, Pragmatic Play or NYX. Netent and Yggdrasil have 1 - 2 every month, Quickspin a little less frequent. As always with quantity, the chance that it is nothing special and bound to be buried in the 1,000+ slots nearly every casino offers nowadays is rather high.

BTG is keeping the numbers to just a few and they are all crackers with unique features and layouts that keep players on their toes (except the early releases and the new Spinfity clone nonsense). It is like they have not 1 but 6 DOA's on offer, all having everyone chasing that killer screenshot.

When the first 243-ways games came along it was a great addition to the endless cloned 5-, 9-, 15- and 25-liners with a rather simple Free Spins round or a Bonus game which were the absolute majority at the time. Now we suddenly had Wild Storm and a choice of different bonus rounds, which we had never seen in a slot, not even close. And we all welcomed them and hammered away on TS2, IR and the like.

Then the numbers started creeping up to 1,024, 4,096 and more. It is in humans' nature to go higher all the time, we are just never satisfied with what we got. However, the 60 Mio from RT will be hard to match, I would think.

 

[lockinlove]

Simple. Other providers need to step up their game instead of churning out BS.

there is always a leader in the industry and right now its BTG. Bonanza and danger are a hit.

Happens.

 

[dunover]

Well we have RT's potential 10-reel monstrosity, WHO IS GOING TO GO TO 11 ????

 

[Reelsoffun]

Well yep as with everything nowadays it will all become dumbed down to the point where every game looks the same, with the only discernible difference being which one one pays 'more ways'

Saddest part being 20/ 25 liners will be ancient history, never mind the classic 9- liners of days gone by. I don't see it as exciting times ahead, but rather stale, thanks to Bonanza's astonishing, industry- changing success. Creativity will almost certainly be stifled.............

I cant see 9,10, 15, 20, 25 liners etc ever going away the fact that 20% is BTG share says that 80% isnt.

I for one would soon give up slots if all i had to play was 1024+ Line games and im more than sure im lot alone.

High variance is all well and good but can see the bubble bursting sooner or later when people start constantly not winning and realize just how few times your going to get a win before your at bust town. Five of my mates have given online slots up this year already and its mostly due to games like bonanza.

You dont need megaways to make a high variance slot IR is just as, if not more capable of giving 12,000x bet so i really dont see the fascination with all this megaways baloney

 

[goatwack]

I cant see 9,10, 15, 20, 25 liners etc ever going away the fact that 20% is BTG share says that 80% isnt.

I for one would soon give up slots if all i had to play was 1024+ Line games and im more than sure im lot alone.

High variance is all well and good but can see the bubble bursting sooner or later when people start constantly not winning and realize just how few times your going to get a win before your at bust town. Five of my mates have given online slots up this year already and its mostly due to games like bonanza.

You dont need megaways to make a high variance slot IR is just as, if not more capable of giving 12,000x bet so i really dont see the fascination with all this megaways baloney

I agree. I don't like it either.....and I don't like change in general

But it is what it is. Bonanza's started a trend, more like a revolution really. The 'line' games will surely be around for a while yet, but having seen how companies move their older titles discreetly out of the back door I can only see one type of slot dominating the scene for a long time to come

Hopefully I'll be dead by then

 

[dionysus]

I agree. I don't like it either.....and I don't like change in general

But it is what it is. Bonanza's started a trend, more like a revolution really. The 'line' games will surely be around for a while yet, but having seen how companies move their older titles discreetly out of the back door I can only see one type of slot dominating the scene for a long time to come

Hopefully I'll be dead by then

what i do see going the way of the dodo, is selecting lines, and that all 9, 20, 25 etc will be set

 

[lotusch]

I find it unbelievable that BTG games are so popular.
People must be losing unimaginable amounts of money on these monsters.
I am so stuck at Bonanza and cannot believe it is normal for a slot to not give free spins in nearly 3000 spins.
It is actually sickening me but hey, I started to play it and now I have to pay the price because I can never recover the funds I spent on that slot every again unless it comes up with a monster hit in the FS.
I like HV slots, I seek them and play them like most Novomatic slots or MG's 243 lines portfolio but I have never ever witnessed a slot behaving so bad as Bonanza.

I actually do like Danger High Voltage and my biggest win I had on White Rabbit on my second ever Free Spins (Well over 1700x if I remember correctly) but boy oh boy,their slots are dangerous and again I wonder how they pass the tests as they are so enormously HV, people must be getting robbed blind on them on a massive scale so that the chosen few can get their monster hit.

If I look at my own play I tend to stick to my old favourite slots and hardly play any of the new slots coming out..I try them but get bored fairly quickly.

Besides that I do not like the new kids on the block like Red Tiger (I never give any bonus games ever) or Pragmatic (Low Variance 15x = Mega Win Crap).

I stick still to MG and Netent and Greentube / Novo. mostly.

 

[dionysus]

I find it unbelievable that BTG games are so popular.

same; the wins I see can be produced in other higher variance games - I dont get the appeal either

 

[Gaz237]

I find it unbelievable that BTG games are so popular.
People must be losing unimaginable amounts of money on these monsters.
I am so stuck at Bonanza and cannot believe it is normal for a slot to not give free spins in nearly 3000 spins.
It is actually sickening me but hey, I started to play it and now I have to pay the price because I can never recover the funds I spent on that slot every again unless it comes up with a monster hit in the FS.
I like HV slots, I seek them and play them like most Novomatic slots or MG's 243 lines portfolio but I have never ever witnessed a slot behaving so bad as Bonanza.

I actually do like Danger High Voltage and my biggest win I had on White Rabbit on my second ever Free Spins (Well over 1700x if I remember correctly) but boy oh boy,their slots are dangerous and again I wonder how they pass the tests as they are so enormously HV, people must be getting robbed blind on them on a massive scale so that the chosen few can get their monster hit.

If I look at my own play I tend to stick to my old favourite slots and hardly play any of the new slots coming out..I try them but get bored fairly quickly.

Besides that I do not like the new kids on the block like Red Tiger (I never give any bonus games ever) or Pragmatic (Low Variance 15x = Mega Win Crap).

I stick still to MG and Netent and Greentube / Novo. mostly.

I think you answered your own question as to why they are so popular.

 

[lotusch]

I think you answered your own question as to why they are so popular.

Well in this case I only go back to get at least once those bloody FS..I know...........

 

[slotter999]

Its been said before that a typical casinomeister player does not equal a typical slot machine player. I'm sure one of the casinomeister elders has written about this before.

Casinomeister players tend to be more fond of high volatile stuff where as average players are not.

Dead or alive has God like status among many on this site and yet it wasn't considered a particularly successful product within netent. This is the same netent who have the data to determine exactly what is / is not popular from their catalogue.

If the world is really screaming out for megaways then there are a lot of very big companies with the resources to copy the BTG formula. I suspect outside of the hardcore slotting community the demand for HV or Super HV isnt there but the market will speak.

 

[dionysus]

Its been said before that a typical casinomeister player does not equal a typical slot machine player. I'm sure one of the casinomeister elders has written about this before.

Casinomeister players tend to be more fond of high volatile stuff where as average players are not.

Dead or alive has God like status among many on this site and yet it wasn't considered a particularly successful product within netent. This is the same netent who have the data to determine exactly what is / is not popular from their catalogue.

If the world is really screaming out for megaways then there are a lot of very big companies with the resources to copy the BTG formula. I suspect outside of the hardcore slotting community the demand for HV or Super HV isnt there but the market will speak.

Agree. Look how here in the forum Starburst is referred to as Sh*tburst, yet 'out there' remains one of the more popular games.
I only have to look at friends and family who arent forum members and are casual players, who more go for easy-to-understand, basic slots.

 

[SpinUk]

Even thiugh I hated then at first, at least the MG 243 line slots have the “decency” to bounce eventually, more than you can say for most slots around at the monent. Dreading the day they are withdrawn, which is inevitable sooner or later.

 

[snorky510238]

Yeah strange how we all get suckered in by what these new megaways slots potentially claim to offer.The fact that in all probability it will never materialise seems to go over our heads.If a slot has a rtp of 95% that's what it is, no more no less.Despite all the glossy claims and potential your super exciting megaways, multiplying, retriggering,glitterball will payout no more than starburst.Its just a more exciting way of arriving at the same destination.