The Joy of UK gaming

[bamberfishcake]

Surely nobody is playing online slots at those RTP’s??

As we all know, the majority of players are unaware.

I suppose on one side of the coin, you may get a withdrawal refused. On the other, you will be lucky to get a chance to cashout.

And let's face it, most Curacao, MGA, Estonian, UKGC, or 'fill blank with licencing authority' casinos will all try and find a way to not pay out if they can.

 

[pinnit2014]

Players will play on low RTP's, always have, forever will. Even sites where players are informed, they'll trade off the lower RTP's with so-called perks (VS being the most obvious). Which i kinda get - 96% and no perks, v 94% and a few perks.

 

[Guntis]

For me, it's like this:

I won't play games in a casino knowing that elsewhere they're set to pay out better. Gambling wins are naturally rare, so it goes against the grain for me to play them at a casino which has decided to reduce my chance of potentially winning.

- If I had to choose between a crypto casino and a decent UK real money casino that runs their games equally (by decent, I mean the one that sets my monthly deposit limit and leaves me alone), I would opt for the real money one. This is simply because it's more convenient with payments, and I don't play often anyway.

- If I had to choose between a crypto casino with default RTPs and a UK one with lowered ones, I would go for the crypto casino. This is because, in the long run, even from just 10 deposits, I would naturally have more withdrawals than playing the same games at licensed UK casinos.

- For big wins, i don't think if win big at crypto casinos i won't be paid. Those top crypto casinos have more players a day than most UKGC-licenced casinos a month, except for Bet365. And there are just a few complaints on the internet, which often are related to some players breaking casino rules.

- What i find weird about UK casinos is that they all operate under the same rules set by UKGC, but some are trying to invent new wheels with some additional bullshit that eventually makes their players go.

They don't see that in the UK everything is the same -- same red busses, same looking underground stations, same corner shops with that Indian man, same Wetherspoons pubs, same libraries, same Tesco and Sainsbury's supermarkets, etc ... and none of them tries to introduce some kind a new crap that would make their customers run away.... lol

 

[shadow123]

Bearing in mind that The National Lottery and their scratchcards pay back less than 70% , just proves people will play
anything.Anybody notice that they dont put play responsibily messages on the adverts.Still its for good causes
so thats ok.

Just had a massive thunderstorm in Nottingham, dog slept through it

 

[pinnit2014]

As players, we hardly helped ourselves - even when the low RTP's were just starting (not that i think it would have made a difference, maybe delayed at best), players stuck with those who weren't running at the max.

Yet, oddly, many still complain(ed) about the play of games being crap- d'oh. We're now being conditioned to think that 94's are ok, come next year that will be 92% etc.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Why would anybody play a slot in one place that they can (with a few keyboard strokes) play somewhere else with a better return?? Never understood why people would do that when they started lowering RTP and I still don’t get it now?

What the fuck is wrong with people??

I appreciate the clueless don’t know what rtp is but seasoned players rowing stuff on 92-94% is baffling.

 

[justdoit]

 

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[Ant1975]

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"No evidence of significant impact to gamblers enjoyment"
On what planet was this survey taken?

 

[bamberfishcake]

Let's face it, the UKGC was never going to say enjoyment had been impacted. Just another example of a useless UK regulatory body, created to save face and give the illusion of care but serve the needs of the minority.

 

[bamberfishcake]

Confirms what we already suspected.

The biggest losers (problem gamblers) get preferential treatment and are encouraged to spend, while the persistent winners (sensible gamblers) are subjected to underhand tactics to trim the customer base in the casinos favour.

 

[Mr Wild]

Confirms what we already suspected.

The biggest losers (problem gamblers) get preferential treatment and are encouraged to spend, while the persistent winners (sensible gamblers) are subjected to underhand tactics to trim the customer base in the casinos favour.

What he is referring to is sportsbook players. Casinos cant lose when RTP is 94-96 as each 100 that goes in they will make 4-6 eur regardless of one customer win and another loses. If one customer is lucky it will not matter to close him down as the game still need to pay out its RTP.

 

[satchnz]

I’m so fortunate that they stopped sounds and animations for wins under stake amount. I was about to get hopelessly addicted to slots until they made that change.

 

[Lemon]

I’m so fortunate that they stopped sounds and animations for wins under stake amount. I was about to get hopelessly addicted to slots until they made that change.

I know mate. And what about that autoplay button eh? It was like crystal meth dusted in cocaine - the second I pressed that button it was like I had passed into another dimension where I lost track of time, stopped eating and looking after myself, sometimes for weeks on end. You just have to applaud the UKGC for acting swiftly and getting it outlawed. Saved my life, honestly it did.

 

[pinnit2014]

Our house has a 3.5k withdrawal still o/s 4 days-apparently, going through a 'thorough' review process with a UK casino. What there is to be thorough about is baffling - no bonus, no table games, money in Beef Lightning and hit the 2500x on a quid.

Needless to say Mrs P isn't very happy, compounded by me saying: Betfury, crypto, paid my 4200 out in 5 minutes last year

As predictive as the BoE hiking interest rates 18 months too late, i envisage a: oh, time for a SOW.

 

[shadow123]

If I win at BC game I know the withdrawal will be processed within an hour max, usually in a few minutes, no questions, no excuses.
Makes the Uk market look a total joke,UKGC are mostly responsible but UK casinos are taking the piss, misusing the regulations to
delay payments, been doing it for a long time now and its just getting worse.

 

[bamberfishcake]

What he is referring to is sportsbook players. Casinos cant lose when RTP is 94-96 as each 100 that goes in they will make 4-6 eur regardless of one customer win and another loses. If one customer is lucky it will not matter to close him down as the game still need to pay out its RTP.

He certainly refers to sportsbook players, but from personal experience, the same approach is applied to winners and losers on slots.

On the whole, I don't believe casinos take a different approach with successful slot players.

p.s. I must add @Mr Wild that I have never got that kind of treatment from Videoslots. But I have been banned and labelled a 'bonus abuser' by casinos who kept sending me bonus offers and have faced unreasonable requests for information at the most inconvenient/convenient times.

 

[pinnit2014]

He certainly refers to sportsbook players, but from personal experience, the same approach is applied to winners and losers on slots.

On the whole, I don't believe casinos take a different approach with successful slot players.

p.s. I must add @Mr Wild that I have never got that kind of treatment from Videoslots. But I have been banned and labelled a 'bonus abuser' by casinos who kept sending me bonus offers and have faced unreasonable requests for information at the most inconvenient/convenient times.

I will say that about VS. -with that 3.5k we're waiting on, if it was VS, it'd have been in the account 4 days ago. Not ones for intentionally messing around.

Re bonus banned and being sent offers - lazy CRM systems by some casinos i think.

 

[justdoit]

What he is referring to is sportsbook players. Casinos cant lose when RTP is 94-96 as each 100 that goes in they will make 4-6 eur regardless of one customer win and another loses. If one customer is lucky it will not matter to close him down as the game still need to pay out its RTP.

this was in White Paper...page 106 UK GOV know casinos banned winning accounts, like my self I got banned from WHG after 5 years playing there but I was up a lot, same think happen in PartyCasino last October I won £10k next day I got email your lose limit is £200pm you are problem gambler
it show UK casinos can banned all Winning accounts and GOV do nothing...so whats the point gambling in UK casino? get banned next day if you win.. UK gamblers have 0 rights on UK

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[justdoit]

If I win at BC game I know the withdrawal will be processed within an hour max, usually in a few minutes, no questions, no excuses.
Makes the Uk market look a total joke,UKGC are mostly responsible but UK casinos are taking the piss, misusing the regulations to
delay payments, been doing it for a long time now and its just getting worse.

most of crypto are fast payout

 

[justdoit]

He certainly refers to sportsbook players, but from personal experience, the same approach is applied to winners and losers on slots.

On the whole, I don't believe casinos take a different approach with successful slot players.

p.s. I must add @Mr Wild that I have never got that kind of treatment from Videoslots. But I have been banned and labelled a 'bonus abuser' by casinos who kept sending me bonus offers and have faced unreasonable requests for information at the most inconvenient/convenient times.

m8 end of the day casinos do as they wish, did GOV sad they banned all VIP bonus? I see many ppl gets 300% VIP bonus in Mr Vegas