The $464,000 Bad Beat

[jerryg]

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That must be an incredible feeling.

 

[KasinoKing]

Unbelievable - the stuff dreams are made of!

 

[pokeraddict]

Too bad it is on one of the shadiest poker rooms on the internet. They are one of the least trusted poker rooms on the net right now outside of Futurebets. Absolute pocketed over $46,000 of that bad beat jackpot. That little tidbit is missing from the release.

Absolute has changed the terms of the BBJ twice already. They are infamous for changing terms without notice or notification. If you decide to take a shot at the BBJ keep that in mind. Read the terms often.

 

[jerryg]

Just because you do not like the terms being changed does not classify a site as being shady. So long as they honor the terms, as they are in place at the time of your play, then they are operating legitimately.

I've been playing here since they first opened. I don't win every time, but I do profit each month, and have never had any problem with this site at all.

Simply popping in and labeling a site as being "the shadiest" without providing any substance to back it up is a poor tactic.

 

[pokeraddict]

Well where to start....

1. In December Absolute retroactively changed bonus terms. This was the second time in 2006 they changed bonus terms on existing bonuses. They even sent out a reload offer the day before the change with the old terms. Bait and switch? They did not even change the terms on their website for several days. They have every right to change bonus terms on new offers but to change existing bonuses players are already clearing is rogue.

2. In February they changed the formula they use to figure out MGR. Again this would be fine for new players but they did it for players already signed up. They offer to pay affiliates and rakeback players a certain way and once they were signed up they decided they wanted to pay less.

3. Their management have repeatedly spammed 2+2 as shills. Go search "Pokermachine" at 2+2. He finally admitted he was an AP manager shilling.

4. AP launched the jackpot and emailed players (and spammed forums) that AAAKK had to lose. The next day 2222 had to lose, a few days later it was 8888. These changes were not emailed to players, at least not to those that post in poker forums. A player could have easily thought he won the jackpot.

5. Absolute drew out lies to players about cashouts when their EFT processor bailed. Players had money in limbo and were not told the truth about what was going on. Unfortunately many poker rooms acted this way.

6. AP states in their affiliate agreement that affiliates and rakeback players get a percent of all revenue their players generate. AP keeps 10% of the jackpot. In this last one it was over $56,000. Affiliates and rakeback players do not get their share of this.

7. Absolute also owns Ultimate Bet. UB changed the terms on affiliates and rakeback players just like Absolute did.

8. UB also retroactively changed their bonus terms. They went a shadier step then their sister site did though. When players noticed their bonuses were not crediting correctly they emailed support. The terms UB had has for years were still on the site. Support told players it was a bug in an update and to continue to play. When the bug was fixed their bonuses would be credited correctly. A week goes by and UB puts the terms they had been secretly using and refused to even correct the bonuses to players they had been promised by UB.


Add to this the fact that the BBJ has made anything below 5/10 FL or $400 NL unbeatable. In $100 NL a flop that has 2 players will have a rake of almost 30%. Did you also notice the BBJ has been completely ripped off from Party?

Is this enough substance? These are off the top of my head. I'm sure there are more. Go hit the zoo and make a poll asking who the shadiest online poker room is. If you leave off the DGN/Futurebet sites I will bet you AP and UB win #1 and #2 in a landslide.

 

[pokeraddict]

I almost forgot. The reason I even checked the thread was to report the big winner in this BBJ has donked off a good chunk of his winnings in 150/300. The estimate is in the last 48 hours he has dropped over $100,000. He has been playing non stop for over 48 hours, surely on a massive tilt.

 

[1819]

Just because you do not like the terms being changed does not classify a site as being shady. So long as they honor the terms, as they are in place at the time of your play, then they are operating legitimately.

I've been playing here since they first opened. I don't win every time, but I do profit each month, and have never had any problem with this site at all.

Simply popping in and labeling a site as being "the shadiest" without providing any substance to back it up is a poor tactic.

do some homework!

 

[EasyRhino]

I almost forgot. The reason I even checked the thread was to report the big winner in this BBJ has donked off a good chunk of his winnings in 150/300. The estimate is in the last 48 hours he has dropped over $100,000. He has been playing non stop for over 48 hours, surely on a massive tilt.

Ouch. I really would have thought that the jackpot would have been enough to make anyone take a break.

Kind of like winning the lotto then buying 2 million lotto tickets.

 

[lots0]

I don't know why changing the terms on the BBJ should be considered shady or why making a fair profit off of a promotion you set up be considered "shady".

AP is trying a brand new promotion, I think they were amazed at the amount of "bad beats" that do happen and adjusted the terms accordingly so the Jackpots would really be Jackpots and not just a few extra dollars.

(AP has paid out three bad beat jackpots since the promotion started the first week of July.)

And the affiliate does make a cut of the BBJ, as long as the affiliate follows the T&C.

Sounds to me like someone has a mouth full of sour grapes because AP changed the Bonus structure and AP does not really want bonus players anymore. I did notice that was pokeraddict's first complaint was about the new Bonus set up at AP and not the BBJ...

I have been playing at Absolute poker since they opened the doors and I have been an affiliate for at least three years and I have never had a problem with AP that was not corrected ASAP by the good folks at Absolute Poker.

I personally think this Bad Beat Jackpot at AP is one of the coolest things in Online Poker to come around in quite some time.

 

[pokeraddict]

Actually I have not played at AP in 2+ years, the game quality there is among the worst. I work/worked in the industry. When AP changed the bonus terms I took so many complaints from players. As I mentioned they certainly have the right to change their terms on NEW bonuses. If a player is clearing a bonus they accepted under the old terms and suddenly the terms are changed that is shady. The players were not even notified and the website was not updated for days. How can you tell me that isn't shady?

AP did the same thing with affiliate terms. Even though changing terms on existing players is shady at least they notified affiliates first. Did you know AP deducts deposit fees from players whether they deposit or not? Do you really think that is a fair way to do business? Affiliates agreed to get paid $x for sending AP players, then AP decided that they wanted to pay less even though players were sent to them under certain terms. Honestly I don't care as much that affiliates got screwed there, it is the fact that endless rakeback players got screwed.

I am NOT an affiliate for AP or any poker room. I don't work for one either. I simply think when a poker room can't keep its word over and over they are rogue. How many times have you seen a complaint about a casino change their T&C's after a player accepts a bonus? That casino is outed as being rogue. Why is it not the same for a poker room?

As far as the BBJ. Changing the terms on it over and over is by far the least serious of acts AP has done. If they want to charge for the BBJ then advertising "$464,000 BBJ is hit" Is false advertising. The actual BBJ was jut over $324,000. It is still a lot of money but certainly a big difference. I've played a ton of B&M and I've never seen a poker room rake the jackpot. Isn't that what the rake is for? This is just a way for AP to rake the games more in a subtle way.

Also as an affiliate you get none of that 10% that your players put in. AP will give you a tiny kickback if one of your players is involved in a BBJ. It is nowhere near the amount they rake in off their 10% and their carryover they have a guarantee on.

Really the main reason I do not like AP has to do with their spamming. When management of casinos or poker rooms shill I call them out and bust them out on it. I've done it here and I've done it at 2+2. It's spam. AP has endlessly spammed 2+2 until one of their board members finaly admitted he was just shilling. Then he came back as another shill. He finally admitted it because he was called out over and over, then he acted like a complete child lowering their reputation even more. If you would like I will post the link. I try to post as few links ot other forums as possible.

Also it seems the OP is upset because this post is nothing but a link to his AP affiliate link. I notice the same link was posted at Gambling911 by the OP. I'm sure those aren't the only 2 forums that the OP has posted a subtle way to get players to click his affiliate link.

I have nothing to gain by posting all of these reasons that AP has acted in a less then ethical way. I don't promote any poker room and don't work for anybody that does. I can't think of any other poker room outside of the Futurebets that have acted so unprofessionally though. Try to find this much dishonesty in other poker rooms. I don't think you can.

 

[pokeraddict]

I have been playing at Absolute poker since they opened the doors and I have been an affiliate for at least three years and I have never had a problem with AP that was not corrected ASAP by the good folks at Absolute Poker.

I too played there since the start. I actually was a prop there back when a 2/4 game would have been a high limit game to them. They helped me get my bankroll started and I thank them for that. That was a much different AP though.

I personally think this Bad Beat Jackpot at AP is one of the coolest things in Online Poker to come around in quite some time.

Why is this cooler then the one that Party has? The idea was stolen directly from them. Everything down to the losing hand and the distribution and the amount of extra rake they keep. Is it because you promote Absolute?

There are many poker rooms that do not rake extra for their BBJ's and pay them out of the normal rake they take. I would hardly say making most lower limit games unbeatable due to the atrocious rake (as high as 28% in some instances) is the coolest thing to happen in online poker in a long time. We are both entitled to our own opinions though.

 

[pokeraddict]

Out of my own curiosity I created a poll at 2+2 about who is the least trusted poker room. I took the top 7 US friendly poker rooms according to Poker Site Scout. In 159 votes UB, a site owned by Absolute, is winning in a landslide. Full Tilt just had a big scandal involving the locking on tons of 2+2 accounts so they are #2. AP is actually #4 out of 7. I'm a bit surprised about that but I had to think UB would win for sure. FWIW I voted for UB.

 

[jerryg]

Actually I have not played at AP in 2+ years, the game quality there is among the worst.

Then you have no idea what the game quality is. The software is revised on a regular basis, and is nothing like it was when you were a player.

I work/worked in the industry. When AP changed the bonus terms I took so many complaints from players.

Yeah, I'm familiar with your forum. I'm not sure I'd classify running a message board as working in the industry, nor does it quantify you as an expert in game quality, but, if you say so.

I am NOT an affiliate for AP or any poker room. I don't work for one either.

Silly me, I thought you worked in the industry.

Also it seems the OP is upset because this post is nothing but a link to his AP affiliate link.

It would seem that you are babbling without knowing what you're talking about. You obviously did not click on the link if you think it is an AP affiliate link.

Why is this cooler then the one that Party has? The idea was stolen directly from them.

What makes you think they stole it from Party? Do you think Party invented the bad beat jackpot? You haven't been to very many card rooms then. If anyone invented it, it would probably be George Hardy from way back when he was running Commerce Casino in LA.

 

[The Dude]

Hi Jerry,

Pokeraddict has some legitimate gripes here, some of which I was not aware about. No reason to get hyper-sensitive.

Global Gaming News is your site, right? It's cool to come here and have an open discussion about this event - but it's uncool to come here and just post a link to your site without much explanation.

BTW - pokeraddict is well versed in the poker field, and I consider him a regional expert in pokerland. He's even written articles for me, and I've met the guy face-to-face more often then I've met you. So yes, I would say he is involved in this industry.

@pokeraddict - please let the shills at 2+2 know that they are welcome to open an account at Casinomeister and post away. I rather enjoy busting out shills

 

[lots0]

Pokeraddict, you did not mention where Absolute Poker was in your poll.

All you mentioned was that Ultimate Bet was leading the pack and they are now owned by Absolute, but that has been a recent take over (AP bought UB within the last two months) and before Absolute Poker took over UB, I would not play at UB or promote them. But now Absoulte Poker has bought them out, I'll wait and see how they do. Chances are once Absolute Management cleans up Ultimate I will start promoting them as well.

Pokeraddict - I asked you in another thread about you providing proof that Absolute Poker is Spamming as you claim. As I said in that thread, if you can show me where Absolute is sending spam, I will stop promoting them.

But if you can't provide some proof that Absolute is in fact sending out Spam, you should stop accusing them of it.

BTW - I do promote Absolute Poker, but if you think these discussions on CM are putting any money in my pocket you are way wrong. This is actually costing me money, I should be taking care of my business instead of speaking up for a poker room I like.

@CM, I have never met you, so I guess I am not involved in the industry...

 

[lots0]

I think the start of the "Bad Beat Jackpot" was in the Golden Nugget Casino in Vegas way back in the early 1970's when Steve Wynn owned the Golden Nugget.

Of course, I could be wrong.

 

[pokeraddict]

I work/worked in the industry. When AP changed the bonus terms I took so many complaints from players.

Yeah, I'm familiar with your forum. I'm not sure I'd classify running a message board as working in the industry, nor does it quantify you as an expert in game quality, but, if you say so.

OK, where to start. I worked as a prop for endless poker rooms (including Absolute). Then I launched Rakerebatereview.com, a rakeback directory and affiliate watchdog site. Then after I sold that site I went to work for BonusWhores.com until those of us involved in the site moved on. Currently I just play poker for a living and mod the forum at 2+2 to continue to help players not get screwed by rogue affiliates. This also provides a place for affiliates to discuss industry issues and helps players find the best deals. Also at BW we ranked rooms by their game quality. We used data we collected ourselves and combined it with data shared by Pokersitescout.com. I certainly saw AP's game quality daily as well as all poker rooms.

Also it seems the OP is upset because this post is nothing but a link to his AP affiliate link.

It would seem that you are babbling without knowing what you're talking about. You obviously did not click on the link if you think it is an AP affiliate link.

The second paragraph of the press release is "Absolute Poker" hyperlinked with your (or someone's) affiliate link. So yes I did click on the link, IMO it is spam. Your OP was to inform/promote AP and almost certainly to get people to click the link in hopes of them clicking your AP affiliate link. So yes it is a link to your affiliate link.

Why is this cooler then the one that Party has? The idea was stolen directly from them.

What makes you think they stole it from Party? Do you think Party invented the bad beat jackpot?

No, but AP copied their terms word for word.

Pokeraddict, you did not mention where Absolute Poker was in your poll.

Yes I did "AP is actually #4 out of 7".

Pokeraddict - I asked you in another thread about you providing proof that Absolute Poker is Spamming as you claim. As I said in that thread, if you can show me where Absolute is sending spam, I will stop promoting them.

It's in the other thread twice, here it is here.

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This is a link to all his posts. His name is Tom, he is VP of Absolute. As you see he endlessly spams UB and AP. Several called him out (including me). He finally admits in his last post that the accusations are true. Of course another spamming account reemerged but was deleted soon after by admins at 2+2.

Also UB was bought by Absolute in 2006. It was shortly after the UIGEA passed. UB did this to go private so they could accept US players.
It has been much longer then just a couple of months. If you need I will find the exact date, from a small search it looks like late November 2006. They announced it on October 12th 2006.

I understand you two promote AP, that's your choice. Obviously one of you at least really enjoys playing there. That is great, everyone has a favorite room. I don't think they are a room that can be trusted and I list many reasons. I have never accused them on non payment and they do have that going for them.

To ligten up the conversation here is a photo to show that even Absolute doesn't know if they trust themselves. Notice the scrolling text at the bottom of their software.

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Like I said before, I don't have a vendetta against them. You guys asked me to provide proof of my accusation and I did. I have certainly posted warnings about other poker rooms too as well as compliments when they are due.

To CM, thx for the kind words. The AP shiller seems to have retired after being busted out twice. Hopefully he is gone forever.

 

[lots0]

having multiple threads about the same conversation is no fun at all and very hard to follow, so this will be my last comment about this. I am off to Absolute Poker to play a one table $2.00 "Sit and Go", no chance for the BBJ there. (I am such a whale.)

As I said in the other thread...

Posting on a forum is not spamming. If you don't want the posts, ban the person. Spamming is sending out unsolicited emails.

 

[pokeraddict]

having multiple threads about the same conversation is no fun at all and very hard to follow, so this will be my last comment about this.

As I said in the other thread...

Posting on a forum is not spamming. If you don't want the posts, ban the person. Spamming is sending out unsolicited emails.

Yeah my head is spinning. The forums would be useless if we all had the same opinion wouldn't it?

I have to disagree with your definition of spam. I'm sure anybody that has ever been involved in a forum would too. Spamming is a commercial post made in a forum where the poster has something to commercialy gain.

Example

Somebody owns a poker room, creates an account hiding this fact and says "I love this poker room try it out".

This is spam IMO.

If a player that truly loves the room but is not involved in the poker room or an affiliate then that is not spam. At least that is my definition.

Good luck!

 

[jerryg]

He's even written articles for me, and I've met the guy face-to-face more often then I've met you. So yes, I would say he is involved in this industry.

Yeah, I usually have too much going on to go socializing at conventions on a free press pass. Either that, or I have too little going on to be concerned with conventions. In either event, they do not typically draw the crowd that is of interest to me, so I wouldn't be surprised if you've met anyone more than you've met me; Elvis included.

In fact, I think I've only met you once. At the time, you were running around with Mike Craig to tout the OPA, and with big plans of cornering RTG and forcing them to come clean. What funny times.

As for pokeraddict being involved in the industry, it makes no difference to me if he is or isn't. I just found it humorous that he starts out with grand remarks about working in the industry, but then turned around to say that he does not promote or work for any poker rooms. To me, it made about as much sense as commenting on game quality, while at the same time saying he hadn't played there in years. Although, I have to say that for me personally, there is a difference between "working in the industry" and being a mod on another person's forum, at least in the terms of the way he was presenting himself as an authority.

Anyway, I am not hyper-sensitive about it, or even plain sensitive. I just find it humorous. It makes no difference to me either way. If he wants to blacklist a site because they change their terms, then that's up to him. I do not personally care what the terms are (or were) for this jackpot, and I think most of the thousands of people playing on that site agree.

 

[jerryg]

The second paragraph of the press release is "Absolute Poker" hyperlinked with your (or someone's) affiliate link. So yes I did click on the link, IMO it is spam. Your OP was to inform/promote AP and almost certainly to get people to click the link in hopes of them clicking your AP affiliate link. So yes it is a link to your affiliate link.

There's no need to get revisionist with this topic. This is clearly not what you said. What you said was

this post is nothing but a link to his AP affiliate link

This clearly is not the case. The thread is a link to the story. Whether or not that story contains a link to the site being mentioned is of no consequence. It is certainly a far cry from the entire post just being an affiliate link.

 

[The Dude]

...In fact, I think I've only met you once. At the time, you were running around with Mike Craig to tout the OPA, and with big plans of cornering RTG and forcing them to come clean. What funny times...

Ha ha. That was at the G2E 2001 where we met briefly in the press room, and yes - we were in the process of tackling RTG (which we did - but it didn't last). I think Michael Shackleford and Ted Loh were in the room as well.

 

[pokeraddict]

I work/worked in the industry.

Not clear enough? You are right, currently I am unemployed and only mod 2 fora at 2+2 and make a living as a professional poker player. If working as a pro combined with launching an insanely successful poker portal and making rakeback a household word and then going to what is almost certainly the authority in online poker bonuses as site director isn't involved and working in the industry I don't know what is. Oh, I still mod what is one of if not the biggest poker bonus and rakeback forums on the net. I'm sorry if these credentials are not good enough.

I still don't understand your other post about the affiliate link. You link to a press release to your affiliate tags. You copy and pasted what AP emailed you, added your link and came here and posted it to your site. As pointed out the second paragraph has a link to your AP affiliate link and I'm sure the point of you posting it is to get players to sign up through you in this amazing, massively -EV promotion AP runs. If that is not a link to your affiliate link what is? IMO it's spam. I did not say your link was an actual affiliate link, I said it was a link to your affiliate link. Splitting hairs? You put your affiliate link into a press release and posted nothing but the link to it here.

If you really wanted to pass on this fascinating story about this promotion where AP takes extra rake from and makes playing there an almost certain losing proposition at almost any limit casual players play then you just would have posted the story, not just a link to your site with your affiliate link sitting in the story.

 

[The Dude]

Yeah, I usually have too much going on to go socializing at conventions on a free press pass. Either that, or I have too little going on to be concerned with conventions. In either event, they do not typically draw the crowd that is of interest to me, so I wouldn't be surprised if you've met anyone more than you've met me; Elvis included...

Curious thing though, if your business is primarily involved with presenting online casino news and information, why wouldn't you be attending these conferences? Doesn't make much sense to me.

There is a difference between socializing and collecting information. If you were well versed in my attendance at these functions, you wouldn't have pulled up a brief 5 minute passing we had six years ago, and allude that is about all I do.

And yes, your initial post in this thread is spammy. You fail to provide any content or discussion material, it's merely a link to your site. This is not good forum etiquette - and you've been around long enough to know this.

Please don't use this forum as a springboard for your website. That's uncool.

 

[jerryg]

Curious thing though, if your business is primarily involved with presenting online casino news and information, why wouldn't you be attending these conferences? Doesn't make much sense to me.

I wouldn't really call that site a business. More of a hobby. I sometimes work with net gambling sites on media projects, but for the most part, the places I work with these days have nothing to do with either the internet or gambling.

As for the socializing remark, I wasn't intending to allude that it is what you do. It is what I have a tendency to do at those conferences.

I think Michael Shackleford and Ted Loh were in the room as well.

Yeah, I remember Ted being there. He's a really good guy. Shackleford was not, but Mary was also there. She's perhaps the most intelligent person I've ever encountered in this crazy internet world.

 

[jerryg]

You copy and pasted what AP emailed you, added your link and came here and posted it to your site. As pointed out the second paragraph has a link to your AP affiliate link and I'm sure the point of you posting it is to get players to sign up through you in this amazing, massively -EV promotion AP runs.

Wrong again. I think you must fail to read before you write. To begin with, I did not even write that. Beyond that, nothing there is copy and pasted from anything AP has sent out. Run the page through copyscape if you like. I do not allow plagiarism on my site. I know you're accustomed to message boards and that internet forums have a tendency to attract copy and paste, but that is stealing as far as I'm concerned, and you won't see anything on my site that wasn't submitted by the author.

It seems to me that your primary complaint stems from the fact that you are grossly involved with bonus whore sites and that AP decided that they do not want this kind of business. I can't say that I blame them. If I was running a gaming site, I wouldn't welcome that crowd either.

I do not personally keep tabs on what their bonus promotion is, let alone the terms for it. I do not promote gambling sites and I haven't been required to make a purchase at AP in over two years, so the topic does not affect me. I can keep myself in profit and in chips without whoring.

 

[pokeraddict]

It seems to me that your primary complaint stems from the fact that you are grossly involved with bonus whore sites

I think you've missed something in my earlier posts. I'm not employed and the limits I play make bonuses pretty useless. It's simply a moral thing. I could care less that they changed the terms on new bonuses, it's the fact that players were clearing bonuses and had the terms of the bonus changed. They were misled and lied to. I think I had spelled that out clearly already.

No point in carrying on this any longer. You seem stuck on the position that it is OK for a poker room or casino to act the ways AP has. If you don't care that is fine, play there. Everybody has a favorite poker room. You asked me to point out why I called them shady and I did. You have not denied any of the accusation, only saying that their lies and changing already agreed on terms with players and affiliates is OK. I don't see how this is going to go anywhere if you feel that way.

Enjoy Absolute, you obviously like them very much. Honestly other then their shills/spammers I've never run into anyone in a poker forum that is as gung ho as you about them or really any poker room.

Enjoy!

 

[BBKPoker]

Not that unusual! (okay, yeah it is, but I wanted to brag anyway).

Back when Party took US customers, I got a table share of a $480,000 jackpot (about $14,600) when the exact same hand happened, quad aces beaten by royal, hand history below (I was HeSheSays).

***** Hand History for Game 4852181655 *****
$3/$6 Texas Hold'em - Tuesday, August 01, 04:39:10 ET 2006
Table Monster #1281422 (Real Money)
Seat 5 is the buttoner

Total number of players : 10
Seat 1: kylightning ( $176 )
Seat 2: leroychin ( $402.78 )
Seat 4: scavenger_ ( $292.41 )
Seat 6: IGotDaNutzI ( $30.84 )
Seat 8: milash ( $74.68 )
Seat 9: jaybeecee ( $211.50 )
Seat 3: HeSheSays ( $107 )
Seat 10: alipapa40 ( $88.50 )
Seat 7: mylovelyBB ( $100 )
Seat 5: Sheriff ( $11 )
IGotDaNutzI posts small blind [$1].
milash posts big blind [$3].
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to HeSheSays [ 4s 6s ]
alipapa40 folds.
kylightning folds.
leroychin raises [$6].
HeSheSays folds.
scavenger_ folds.
Sheriff folds.
IGotDaNutzI raises [$8].
milash folds.
leroychin calls [$3].
** Dealing Flop ** [ As, Td, Ah ]
IGotDaNutzI bets [$3].
leroychin calls [$3].
** Dealing Turn ** [ Ad ]
IGotDaNutzI bets [$6].
leroychin calls [$6].
** Dealing River ** [ Qd ]
IGotDaNutzI bets [$6].
leroychin raises [$12].
>You have options at Four Flush Table!.
IGotDaNutzI is all-In [$6.84]
leroychin calls [$0.84].
leroychin shows [ Jd, Kd ] Royal Flush.
IGotDaNutzI doesn't show [ Ks, Ac ] four of a kind, aces.
The time at which hand ended:Aug 01 2006 04:40 ET
Congratulations! This table has just hit the PartyPoker.com Monster Bad Beat Jackpot!
leroychin wins $61.18 from the main pot with Royal

Then I got this email:

Dear HeSheSays,

Congratulations!

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$14679.38 has already been added to your account for participating in this winning hand!

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It simply doesn't get much bigger than this! Good luck and we'll see you at the tables.


and then I was $14,679.38 richer.

 

[pokeraddict]

Bragger! Congrats on the hit. So how did that Party Monster tourney they mention in the email go?

 

[jerryg]

Honestly other then their shills/spammers I've never run into anyone in a poker forum that is as gung ho as you about them or really any poker room.

Enjoy!

You think my posts were gung ho about AP, huh? lol. That's funny. I've barely mentioned them.

Anyway, I'm not sure what it is you are looking for me to dispute.

That they changed their bonus terms? Maybe they did. I haven't collected a bonus there in a couple of years, so I really do not follow what the bonus offering is, let alone what the terms attached are. I generally do not like bonuses at any site because of the conditions attached, which is why I never fell in line with the bonus whore crowd.

Maybe you're looking for me to dispute that no email was sent out? Maybe it was, maybe it wasn't. I get emails from them all the time, but I don't recall having ever opened one. I get promo letters from lots of sites, and they all end up in the same trash pile without being opened. They could be sending me a $100 ND and I would never know. Promotions just don't interest me. What I do know is that it is a player's responsibility to know the terms.

Maybe you're looking at me to dispute that it was changed retroactively for people who already met the terms. I don't know if it was or wasn't. I see one person ranting and raving and stomping his foot (talk about gung ho) and that's about it. Meanwhile, I see many people every day, myself included, who play there quite happily with no problems at all.

I don't see anything else you mentioned here. Again, it seems to be that your biggest complaint is that AP took a measure to cut out bonus whoring. I would have probably done the same thing. I would have probably honored existing engagements, but I see no evidence that they did not. Forum rumors and rantings is hardly tangible, particularly when it is one sided banter from someone who comes off as having an ax to grind.

 

[pokeraddict]

I don't see anything else you mentioned here. Again, it seems to be that your biggest complaint is that AP took a measure to cut out bonus whoring. I would have probably done the same thing. I would have probably honored existing engagements, but I see no evidence that they did not. Forum rumors and rantings is hardly tangible, particularly when it is one sided banter from someone who comes off as having an ax to grind.

This should clear it up.

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Since you do not trust my word as any credibility maybe a 150+ post thread from 7 months ago at the biggest poker forum will help you see it. It includes responses from AP like "We are pleased to inform you that with our new policy changes, all the players will be able to release the bonuses from your pending account faster than before." When this is most obviously an insulting lie to players. You will also see players report that the bonus info on their site still showed the old terms even though the software was using the formula that cleared bonuses much slower. Support sent me a response saying the catch all clause "We reserve the right to change our terms at any time". I believe when casinos use that term to not honor bonuses they get rogued, especially when they don't even have the class to put their new, retroactive bonus terms on their site or notify players. I only found it because I was working at BW at the time and got emails from several players saying their bonus was not clearing correctly. I found it in mice type on their deposit page of their software while the place you saw your bonus status still had the old terms.

You don't seem to be reading my posts if you think I am so sympathetic to bonus whores. Many rooms have changed their bonus terms, for example Stars went from 5x to 7x but they honored the existing 5x bonuses, many Ongame skins went from dealt to contributed but they honored the existing bonuses, Party has stopped offering generous bonuses but still honored the existing ones that had not been cleared. I'm sure there are many more. There is a big difference, you don't see me calling out any of those rooms.

I don't see any point in continuing the conversation, you are an affiliate for that room that seems to be very loyal, that's great. Like I said we all have poker rooms we love. We are going to have to agree to disagree I think. The great thing about foras is that we all can voice our opinions. If we all agreed then there would be no point to these boards. If you like and trust AP then play there and promote them but I don't see how you can bury your head in the sand and blow off all the things AP has done. These changes have affected you too if you were an affiliate for before March 1st when they started paying you about 20-35% less then they used to pay. If you don't care then that's fine, most everyone else involved does. It doesn't affect me at all and I care.

Who knows what will happen with the BBJ. They are up slightly in traffic now but how long will people play games with an unbeatable rake? At Party they still do. Maybe AP will have the same luck. It's too bad AP is the biggest winner of the BBJ but it is their business. Just like any poker room they don't care or care little if their players win or lose all they want is the rake. They found a subtle way to rake the games more and if they get away with it good for them. The one thing I have heard is that game quality is much better. I'm not sure that matters at the most popular limits though as I think the extra rake makes the games unbeatable or at least destroyed winrates.

That's just my opinion and you have yours.

 

[BBKPoker]

The Monster tournament didn't go at all. They dropped all US players and paid out Monster tournament entries cash values to all of those who had free entries. I think I got like $200 or something for mine, but I don't recall to be honest.

 

[maaster]

did kevinhobbes donked away the rest of his money made from the BBJ?

just curious...

 

[pokeraddict]

He has been seen in the 150/300 game as recently has 5 days ago. The consensus is that he has lost a good chunk of the BBJ but still has about 20% of it left.

 

[pokeraddict]

Absolute changed the terms on the BBJ AGAIN! Now only 65% of the massive # that scrolls in the lobby is split up instead of 70%. Also AFAIK players were not notified of this change by email or in the software. It seems extremely misleading to not only not tell players about a big change but to scroll a massive number in the lobby that is 50% bigger then the actual BBJ.