Statement from Warren Jolly

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Already there

 

[Dave]

Yep, ABF is cool (I'm "Engineer" over there). Link Removed (invalid URL) is another good resource for affiliates. Lots of familiar faces over there.

 

[BingoT]

I seen this and I like to know more about it.
Where do you sign up or who do you contact for more info?
Thank You

An exciting new affiliate network has been established by three legends

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/29782/

 

[lots0]

Dom that was good post.

CAP has a history of free speech having been curtailed by the business arm.

It was not so much Free speech that was being curtailed as it was deleting any criticism of anything CAP related.
Lou and Warren worked hard over the years to APPEAR to be honest and concerned for the affiliates.. when in fact we all know it was just the opposite.

I am going to have a real problem trusting anyone that claims to be an affiliate advocate. I already have some concerns about a few things going on over at GPWA... I have now had three posts deleted at GPWA and they were not name calling or attacking posts.
I even told Michael today that I wanted to withdraw my application for private membership that I submitted just a week or so ago.

I submitted a new post about a program that was "certified" by GPWA that was delaying my payments and feeding me bullshit. The post was never published, but the unnamed affiliate program was informed about my post (that was never published) and the affiliate program the day after I submitted the post at GPWA made a public announcement about them changing their wire fees, after the fact.

Like In another post over at the GPWA...

Affiliates we are on our own.
Don't be so TRUSTING, especially of those that just want to help you...

Maybe a better model is to start an affiliate membership driven forum. Where no casinos are "certified" and the ForumBoard is paid for by affiliate membership fees (that would be very low - enough to only cover hosting and costs). Where Members vote on every major action taken by the community.

I know it's Just a pipe dream...

 

[GaryWatson]

I was banned at CAP in my first thread. I think I managed 4 posts, stuck to the facts and kept away from ranting. I wanted a resolution, not to be picked on. Thread deleted, avator changed and account taken over. That was a couple of years back.

I currently have an account there. Only made a few posts but decided to stop after seeing the same old complaints being deleted week after week. CAP have a policy of pruning forums like Absolute Poker, and with good reason, an over inflated certification fee.

The certification is a joke. Its a false certificate. it provides a smokescreen for the rogue sites. Alter the certification process? Do away with it. It has no true merit and only helps the rogues.

A lot of people are laughing at the CAP argument at the moment. It is run by sociopaths.

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a person, as a psychopathic personality, whose behavior is antisocial and who lacks a sense of moral responsibility or social conscience.
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We as a community thank you, Lou and warren for looking out for us. We understand that you promised to take a hard stand on absolute/ ultimatebet if they were caught cheating. We realize that certification fees took presidence. We let you off.

Cardspike? The first I heard of the situation was a post from Ridge, a respected member at PAP. He was banned along with a few others. Maybe his check is in the post, im guessing damage limitation. Poor Ridge, he has his own family to feed and a sick elderly long lost girlfriend to support. Hopefully his rakeback players wont be too upset that you let him down badly. Lou, It's a pity you never considered that before posting your charity appeal.

I may as well cut off my nose to spite my face and boycott Pokerstars for the meantime. I do not trust CAP nor their intentions. Im going with the "bad neighborhood" theory.

I rate pokerstars highly & their support staff but I know how rot spreads, I only have to look in my fridge to know I am making the right decision on this.

Back to a solution

Affiliate forums have been a great help to many. Affiliates can bring in more players.

Affiliates soon realize players are not thick and browse search engines for info. What happens is that the affiliate puts in the effort to assist the player, the player puts in the money to assist the affiliate and the gambling site. Thiis bridges a big gap and helps affiliate/player/gambling site.

Clash of interests

CAP certification. You cannot sit on all sides of the fence.

CAP view on Absolute Poker

They are certified. They pay us.
Be respectful or we will block you and harass you.
We have you over a barrell.

CAP view on Cardspike

We run, own, pay wages and certify. Consider yourself owned.


Personally, I think CAP has/should expire. It has run its course. The morons will still be involved in some way but that is where CM's experience comes in.

Dom has battled to save a sinking ship. CAP wouldnt be in the crap it was if she was at the helm. If the plasters come out and Dom is again sitting pretty as mod at CAP, the same would happen.

The CAP issue is broken and cannot be mended. Many people knew that it was seriuusly flawed, as with its owners.

As for the power struggle for the scraps, sure its happening! IMO, this is by far the number 1 site for both player and affiliate. PAL is making their move but that is a business forum, if they ever certify, same old story.

My contribution will be to quarantine all sites with the CAP badge. Support Dom as a person, not as a CAP mod and avoid CAP like the plague. I will continue to support CM because I see no other reason not to.

 

[rowmare]

Dominique, you have made a few very well thought out posts, one of which I have even nominated.

The way I see it, however, is that three CAP members with the highest profile, you, Lou and Warren, are split three ways, and it's a fight for who can garner the most credibility.

You were there with Lou - and Warren for years. You knew the certification was phoney. You knew members were not free to speak their minds. You sat by and did nothing while members were banned, posts edited, and on and on and you said nothing! You knew probably of a at least a dozen other infractions that the public doesn't know ... yet.

Only now you speak up. Now that CAP has been destroyed. How are any of us to believe you truly mean what you say? I believe in my heart that you are saying what you need to say to cling to your 'status' in the industry, because you didn't go to bat until you had no choice. Not until speaking out would benefit you.

I'm sorry, but I remain very skeptical about your sincerity.

I realize my saying this isn't going to be popular, because many reading actually believe you are sincere in what you've been saying .. for the past week or two. That's ok. I'm not running for Miss Congeniality here, and somebody needs to speak up and confront you about these issues, even if only so that you can explain why you remained silent about CAP's lack of ethics for all these many years.

 

[BingoT]

I think Bryan should consider Dom to be part of this place.(The CM Family)But I know Dom will stay at CAP.
It would be great to see her more after all this mess that's taken place.

 

[jod5413]

Dominique, you have made a few very well thought out posts, one of which I have even nominated.

The way I see it, however, is that three CAP members with the highest profile, you, Lou and Warren, are split three ways, and it's a fight for who can garner the most credibility.

You were there with Lou - and Warren for years. You knew the certification was phoney. You knew members were not free to speak their minds. You sat by and did nothing while members were banned, posts edited, and on and on and you said nothing! You knew probably of a at least a dozen other infractions that the public doesn't know ... yet.

Only now you speak up. Now that CAP has been destroyed. How are any of us to believe you truly mean what you say? I believe in my heart that you are saying what you need to say to cling to your 'status' in the industry, because you didn't go to bat until you had no choice. Not until speaking out would benefit you.

I'm sorry, but I remain very skeptical about your sincerity.

I realize my saying this isn't going to be popular, because many reading actually believe you are sincere in what you've been saying .. for the past week or two. That's ok. I'm not running for Miss Congeniality here, and somebody needs to speak up and confront you about these issues, even if only so that you can explain why you remained silent about CAP's lack of ethics for all these many years.

I am sure that a lot of people are interested in this explanation. I am not bashing Dom, I don't know her, and I am not an affiliate. It does seem strange though that she could have been unaware of what was going on, with the bannings, the deleted posts, the avatar changes, etc. Her posts seem articulate and sound, she is obviously quite intelligent, so what gives, Dom?

 

[dominique]

Lol, what are you gonna say if someone asks if you are sincere? Yes I am, yes I am?

I say what I mean and I mean what I say.

You and I have not agreed on the subject of CAP until recently, that is true. I just didn't have a problem with Affiliate Media making money, and I still don't. In any case, the aff program listings will be changed now, there is a post about it at CAP. As far as I know, bannings were far and between until this last year. I have no admin access and a lot of bannings I never heard about until recently. I have a feeling there are more even than I know now. CAP is a busy board, people come and go. Unless they are regulars I established a relationship with, I don't notice if someone stops coming around.

The noticeable excess of bannings started at PAP and since I don't go there, I had no idea until the card spike thing started spilling into CAP and GPWA and Meister.

And admittedly, I sat there for a long time hoping to hear explanations and waiting for fixes.

Back in the day Lou and I used to talk a lot, but he discontinued using messenger and I hate the phone, and he got busier and busier and so did I. So we have not had much contact in a long time, and I never talked to Warren at all until Lou resigned this last time.

This disconnect is likely why Lou blasted me for starting the open discussions when he returned - we had spoken briefly in London and I assumed he wanted me to fix things. In the old days, he would have contacted me on messenger if there was a problem. I was available on skype, but I guess he was just not in the habit of contacting me anymore.

Being a mod at CAP was not a very time consuming thing, I left a window open during my work day and when I was waiting for something I would bring CAP up and see that thread titles were in the correct forums. Takes seconds if you do it a few times a day. If something caught my interest, I would post.

My main focus is my own site, it takes up more than enough time. That is what I spend my time on, and that comes first. I get info on CAP and Meister and AGD primarily for making decisions regarding my own site. And yes, I value CAP as a resource.

Dunno really what I am writing about here, looks like rambling to me.

 

[Simmo!]

Look no further!
The new site started recently by the net's most trusted & honest Blue Muppet is ready & waiting:-

LOL...can I just point out that a) this was up and running well before any of the recent CAP issues were about and b) it's got a slightly different focus to yer regular affy forum in that it imports player issues and "Meister Warnings" from CM to make affiliates more aware of this side of things when they come to make decisions.

 

[jod5413]

No, Dom, you are not rambling. I admire that you are so willing to answer and try to explain your situation at CAP. I also have admired your self control as many were bashing you when this started. I do not know you, but to me you seem quite calm and rational.

That said, I believe, as do many others, that CAP can not survive this fiasco. And, if I was you, I wouldn't believe or trust either Lou, who seems to have gone over the edge emotionally, or Warren, who does not seem to realize the severity of the situation. Having spent years in the business world, I can not understand how either one of them could possibly believe that what they pulled is forgivable or forgettable.

 

[GaryWatson]

dom. I had very little faith in the industry. The CAP monopoly thing surprised me when you took me on. I was skeptical about that, even in my position. I had a few big issues, we spoke on that but you are a different entity and I wouldnt have allowed my services on you otherwise. Dom, You have done me a very big turn and for many people. I appreciate you, and many others do too.

I want CAP to burn and die!

 

[dominique]

Boy, if I don't end up with some mental problem by the time this is all said and done, nothing is ever gonna kill me.

You got to understand that after years of helping build something, it hurts to see it crash and burn. And you don't want it to crash and burn.

It has nothing to do with Affiliate Media or Lou or Warren, and it has nothing to do with money.

It has to do with years of building a resource. It's not something altruistic I did, and I didn't do it to help Lou or Warren, I built it for myself as well as my peers. I use it every day for years and years. Regardless of what recent events are, CAP (and Lou for that matter) helped solve a lot of industry problems over the years. What Casinomeister did for players, CAP did for affiliates.

And I just can't sit here and suddenly say it's all worthless.

 

[lots0]

...What Casinomeister did for players, CAP did for affiliates.

Thats not true Dom.
Maybe many many years ago CAP helped Affiliates.

But since I been hanging around here the last couple of years all I've seen casinoaffalateprograms.com do has been to hurt the affiliate community.

888
Absolute Poker
UltimateBet
Grand Prive
Gambling Wages
Luckyace

And those are just off the top of my head...

 

[rowmare]

Thanks for your response to my post, Dominique.

You're ok in my books.

 

[GaryWatson]

The self styled 'Professor' Lou Fabiano

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/29754/

Warren

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CM, all you members ask of you, is for you to do what you so well.

 

[GaryWatson]

It doesnt matter how much you disagree with another site, you often have mutually beneficial links. For non affiliates, links bring in new viewers.

When my future mother inlaw stated to sweep a certain situation under the carpet I disagreed. Well our relationship didnt last well and since my fiance ended up a scabby junkie.

My response? Im not proud of but pretty delighted I got to 5 different places and extented the finger.

It cannot come to court so I am laughing.


Lou, warren. If you have ever learned anything, dont screw with people who have nothing to lose, otherwise your mug will draw the short straw.

CM, be the person we respect you for

 

[RobWin]

I still have not heard anyone mention their thoughts on whether or not they believe this admission by Lou & Warren of their involvement in an online poker room will be escalated to a further, more serious impact on themselves and their businesses if and when an indictment is handed down by the powers that be.

This is just now starting to get out into the main stream media and as J. Todd mentioned in his video that this may possibly be another story picked up by 60 minutes or the like's of another major media outlet. I still find it really hard to believe that things will ever return to normal at "CAP" as this is only the beginning of possibly many investigations into this company's business and their involvement in other online betting operations.

I think the one thing that both Lou and Warren have working in their favor at the moment is the fact that Obama is in and Bush is out. Other than that, this is still one major can of worms here that the lid has not even been totally pulled back on yet. Both of these guys are US Citizens and both have publicly admitted their involvement and their US Corporations involvement in an online poker room taking bets from US Citizens.

Am I the only one here that can see the possibility of their potential demise and confiscation of their businesses by the US Authorities ??

There are thousands of folks here in the US that have been indicted before on much lesser offenses than what we see Lou and Warren admitting to in public here.

 

[BingoT]

For what it's worth I see if this goes further I see Jail time for both of them.
Or who knows Rob maybe someone leaked it out to the right people to get this on tv.
You Steal You Pay
If you steal from people you know or not know You will Steal from your own Mother.

If this goes to court we will know the Truth.

 

[lots0]

I have been contacted just this morning by a reporter from a "major network", wanting an interview over the crap at cap.

I don't know if I will do the interview or not, I'll decide later today.

I would expect others have been or will be contacted.

I would also expect the SEC and DOJ to be VERY interested in all this.

I don't know how stupid you would have to be to admit in public and on the www that you are the owner an online casino and an online poker room when you are a resident and citizen of the USA.

 

[bb1webs]

Hi all (Robwin)

in answer to R's post: hardly.

When Lou comes down from whatever meds he's been taking (because that's the best spin I can come up with) its going to be real bad under the best of circumstances because eventually people who haven't realized it yet are going to become aware that he hung more than just his and other owner's of the company's butts out in harms way.

Everyone ever a member at CAP that lives in or visits the states could potentially see a hassle which was completely unnecessary (unless of course you feel Lou's missing money and control of his cash cow are worth it).

We've seen injustice after injustice and even on a large scale in the matter of cardspike but this action of admitting publicly he owned an online casino and poker room .. whatever the % might be ... unnecessarily placed the privacy of every member both present and past ... at risk.

I don't want nor can afford to pay a lawyer a ton of money (and anytime its a lawyer its a ton of money ... I imagine that's true anywhere in the world) just to prove I had no further association with CAP than that of a posting member as I do here or at any forum including my own.

I don't want to have to prove I never took a bet or handed any money to anybody that was the direct result of my owing them money for a gambling transaction having taken place. When you get money from me there is no risk involved therefore there is no gambling.

Who needs it?

No I doubt either of us are the only ones who can imagine what a can of worms this could be ... but I think there are many who would prefer to ignore the possibility rather than deal with facing its potential outcomes, non of which are pleasing or beneficial to anybody including and perhaps most of all Lou.

I may have questioned his ethics but not until now have i ever questioned his common sense of not sticking your foot down on the spring of a loaded bear trap.

 

[rikkerbuddy]

Very much

I still have not heard anyone mention their thoughts on whether or not they believe this admission by Lou & Warren of their involvement in an online poker room will be escalated to a further, more serious impact on themselves and their businesses if and when an indictment is handed down by the powers that be.

This is just now starting to get out into the main stream media and as J. Todd mentioned in his video that this may possibly be another story picked up by 60 minutes or the like's of another major media outlet. I still find it really hard to believe that things will ever return to normal at "CAP" as this is only the beginning of possibly many investigations into this company's business and their involvement in other online betting operations.

I think the one thing that both Lou and Warren have working in their favor at the moment is the fact that Obama is in and Bush is out. Other than that, this is still one major can of worms here that the lid has not even been totally pulled back on yet. Both of these guys are US Citizens and both have publicly admitted their involvement and their US Corporations involvement in an online poker room taking bets from US Citizens.

Am I the only one here that can see the possibility of their potential demise and confiscation of their businesses by the US Authorities ??

There are thousands of folks here in the US that have been indicted before on much lesser offenses than what we see Lou and Warren admitting to in public here.

I would be worried as a program - I am sure CAP has some sensitive information. Also I would be a little worried if your a US affiliate - I hope no affiliate including myself gets a letter to show up in court

I still think the funnest part is warren saying he is going to start a certification process lmao - what good poker room or casino room let themselves get audited by the biggest snake in the biz right now.

Did I tell you I love this biz

 

[bb1webs]

btw: anybody who thinks this won't go further probably hasn't heard that bank statements were floating around.

I honestly cannot tell you what it was because I immediately said no I don't want to see or know but a download of some sort was offered to me and the person claimed it was Lou's bank statements and that Lou was the one who let the loose.

Well I suppose it will require the prosecuter to actually approach the microphone and say "the prosecution rests". But that's about how the trial is going to go.

I'm not sure they even give a break on temp insanity when it comes to this sort of charge but if they do and I was a juror I'd surely allow it because I have likely never seen such an insane action in my lifetime in respect to doing the most opposite action you could possibly take if you were wanting to avoid prosecution.

sidenote:
I once was paid $125 for posting something or for winning a raffle ... now i'm worried that'll cause me to have to spend time straightening that out. Thank God I don't have anything to hide short of not wanting to spend valuable time, and money better spent elsewhere, clearing myself from association.

 

[Simmo!]

I have been contacted just this morning by a reporter from a "major network", wanting an interview over the crap at cap.

I don't know if I will do the interview or not, I'll decide later today.

IMO the press like to sensationalise and anything they say/show can only reflect badly for the online gambling industry. Or do it, and play it down as a non-story might be a better option. The more press this receives, the more damage it does and not just to CAP.

 

[RobWin]

Yea bb1webs, I'm kinda like you in what I have been thinking about all of this the past few days with peeps making posts about trying to save "CAP", this and that, bla bla bla. I think most of them have been missing the real issue here, that is, the serious issue that we have just touched on here.

I also think that for Lou and Warren trying to save their flagship "CAP" and Lou worrying about his email just simply goes to show both of their naiveness toward this whole issue. That kind of stuff will be the least of these boys worries when this really starts to hit the $hit Fan in the media and the US Authorities get a hold of this story. Don't think that there will be any "CAP" left to to save after that happens.

What in the hell were they thinking anyway...