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I see the @ThePOGG are promoting Sporting Bet as a recommended casino on their front page :confused:

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Ordinarily I'd be happy to answer questions regarding our promotional policies, but there's a massive '?' over the motivations behind a lot of your posting for me. From not being able to adequately answer for your flip flop call out of a UKGC licensed operator as connected to one of the worst rogues in the industry to happily working with them, to a 'FactCheckUK' style domain choice, to you totally derailing the other affiliate thread by raising the streaming issue that's nothing what-so-ever to do with what was being discussed, to not being willing to provide domain names that you claimed could be accessed when you tested BetBlocker (despite me asking again and again like a broken record so we could ensure we offered the best protection to our users), there just something off about your behaviour to me.

My opinion is that your motivations for posting are not benevolant or constructive. I'm personally not willing to interact with you further.

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Ordinarily I'd be happy to answer questions regarding our promotional policies, but there's a massive '?' over the motivations behind a lot of your posting for me. From not being able to adequately answer for your flip flop call out of a UKGC licensed operator as connected to one of the worst rogues in the industry to happily working with them, to a 'FactCheckUK' style domain choice, to you totally derailing the other affiliate thread by raising the streaming issue that's nothing what-so-ever to do with what was being discussed, to not being willing to provide domain names that you claimed could be accessed when you tested BetBlocker (despite me asking again and again like a broken record so we could ensure we offered the best protection to our users), there just something off about your behaviour to me.

My opinion is that your motivations for posting are not benevolant or constructive. I'm personally not willing to interact with you further.

TP

You told me to submit the domains through your web site contact form, which I did. Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing if the e-mail was received or not.

Another member of CM private messaged me this morning saying I was unfairly picked upon and they listed examples of other affiliates who were doing the same. I have now highlighted in the correct thread (correct me if (I'm wrong) that you were still linking to a rogue site.

There is no ill intent here. Unless there has been a change of ownership, my understanding is that you still webmaster said site? Geez.
 
I see the @ThePOGG are promoting Sporting Bet as a recommended casino on their front page :confused:

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Sorry but Pot kettle Back springs to mind.

Nice little deflection away from all the unanswered questions from yourself though.

Nobody is picking on you anymore than you pick on others to suit.

All grown ups here and you can all stand your own ground.
 
You told me to submit the domains through your web site contact form, which I did. Unfortunately, I have no way of knowing if the e-mail was received or not.

Another member of CM private messaged me this morning saying I was unfairly picked upon and they listed examples of other affiliates who were doing the same. I have now highlighted in the correct thread (correct me if (I'm wrong) that you were still linking to a rogue site.

There is no ill intent here. Unless there has been a change of ownership, my understanding is that you still webmaster said site? Geez.

Of course there is ill intent, what are you, 12?
You were caught out in your lies, after attacking another member, now you are clearly attacking someone else, for no reason except being caught out promoting a rogue casino and lying about your role in a company you pretended to own.
I can't see the thread you started with all these other affiliates you mention, or is it JUST Duncan you have gone after, despite apparently having a list of others doing the same?
People in glass houses and all that......
 
Of course there is ill intent, what are you, 12?
You were caught out in your lies, after attacking another member, now you are clearly attacking someone else, for no reason except being caught out promoting a rogue casino and lying about your role in a company you pretended to own.
I can't see the thread you started with all these other affiliates you mention, or is it JUST Duncan you have gone after, despite apparently having a list of others doing the same?
People in glass houses and all that......

Here we go hijacking another thread Colin. I am not attacking anyone, I'm bringing up a valid point that a member here is promoting a rogue site. I have provided evidence of that. You can check for yourself.

Yes, it was well covered last year I promoted a rogue site. I admitted it, I have never denied that fact. I removed the link from CM when I was asked.

Once again, I say respectfully... I no longer webmaster ANY affiliate site. If any site I used to manage is promoting a rogue site, what can I do about it? You have the option of reporting it to the UKGC, ASA just like anyone else.
 
I see the @ThePOGG are promoting Sporting Bet as a recommended casino on their front page :confused:

Case in point regarding the slant that this user looks to create in their posting. The claim is that we recommend this casino (absolutely true) on our "front page". I think most users here would agree with me that the "front page" of a site is the homepage. Nicola hasn't just popped over to our site and seen this on the homepage and decided to highlight their discontent with out choices. They've had to do some digging to find this operator to allow them to highlight our listing in this thread.

How do I know this? Firstly, I know which operators could potentially be shown on our "front page". Sporting Bet do not qualify for these position. Secondly, look at the url in the screen shot that Nicola's posted - thepogg.com/ best-casinos/page/9/. So they've had to go into an internal page - our best casinos listing page - and then have had to go 9 pages back to find this listing.

They didn't contact privately to say 'are you aware of...'. They went straight to the boards to 'call us out'.

This user hasn't coincidentally stumbled upon something relevant to this topic, they've gone to our site on a hunt to try and pick a fight.

And they're looking to play down their own actions by calling Sporting Bet by the same label - 'rogue' - as bCasino who they worked with. A max withdrawal on progressive jackpots (how many players do you think this is going to impact?) vs connections to one of the worst groups in the industry that generate a higher volume of player complaints for us that any other group.

For everyone else, here's the response that I provided to another member who PM to alert me to this thread:

ThePOGG said:
"Yeah - I wasn't aware of the term at SB, but it wouldn't actually change our position on SB. We've changed our reviewing policies recently because so few players were actually taking any notice of what we were saying in our reviews (as evidenced by the growing number of 'repeat complainants' who consistently play with operators we list as Not Recommended). Our current policy is to highlight this type of term in the Trustworthiness section of the review so those players that are interested and actually read our reviews can be aware of it and make their own mind up.

I don't like the term and never have, but it will impact a very small number of players at the end of the day and it's more important to us to open up positive relationships with operators like this as we can likely help more players recover money from this group when they cooperate with our complaint service than will ever be compromised by a progressive jackpot withdrawal cap. "

TP
 
Here we go hijacking another thread Colin. I am not attacking anyone, I'm bringing up a valid point that a member here is promoting a rogue site. I have provided evidence of that. You can check for yourself.

Yes, it was well covered last year I promoted a rogue site. I admitted it, I have never denied that fact. I removed the link from CM when I was asked.

Once again, I say respectfully... I no longer webmaster ANY affiliate site. If any site I used to manage is promoting a rogue site, what can I do about it? You have the option of reporting it to the UKGC, ASA just like anyone else.

Anyone reading this thread and the other one can clearly see what you are doing.
I've been on Duncan's site and can't see them on the front page, strange that, it's almost as if you have gone looking for anything to have a go at him about.

EDIT: Duncan posted at the same time as me.
 
Nicola gets attacked. Dont respond to critism, critism that was well laid out in a decent manner. Instead Nicola goes looking for stuff to make others look bad to divert attention. And then you wonder why you get attacked "unfair"?

If you want to participate in a forum, expect hard questions without playing a victim.
 
OK Colin, can we make deal? If you PM me a set of questions (or start a new on topic thread) I will answer all of your questions that you have for me. I can't say fairer than that. I want to get this resolved so we can both move on :)

And no, I didn't go searching for a argument/fight with Duncan. Another member PM'd me this morning saying I wasn't the only one promoting rogue sites and to keep my 'chin up' - if that member wants to chime in she can.
 
@ThePOGG Genuine question which I'm keen to know the answer too as your the person in the know on complaints and such. You say "one of the worst groups in the industry that generate a higher volume of player complaints for us that any other group."

How many complaints overall have bCasino generated through your site? Cheers.
 
OK Colin, can we make deal? If you PM me a set of questions (or start a new on topic thread) I will answer all of your questions that you have for me. I can't say fairer than that. I want to get this resolved so we can both move on :)

And no, I didn't go searching for a argument/fight with Duncan. Another member PM'd me this morning saying I wasn't the only one promoting rogue sites and to keep my 'chin up' - if that member wants to chime in she can.

No we can't make a deal. I left it last night, and you attacking the second member in a short space of time prompted me to post again. If you go round attacking members for the exact same thing you were more than happy to do yourself, then don't start crying about it when someone fights back.
Plenty of questions in the other thread if you wish to answer any, but I think I know what the answer to that will be.
The ONLY reason you posted in this thread was to have a go at Duncan. You know that, I know that and so should anyone else reading it.
 
And no, I didn't go searching for a argument/fight with Duncan. Another member PM'd me this morning saying I wasn't the only one promoting rogue sites and to keep my 'chin up' - if that member wants to chime in she can.

Not sure that all patting each other on the back saying oh its ok if I promote a rogue site as he/she also does is something to be commended or used as an acceptable reason/excuse! How about not promoting them full stop. Worry about oneself first and foremost.
 
@ThePOGG Genuine question which I'm keen to know the answer too as your the person in the know on complaints and such. You say "one of the worst groups in the industry that generate a higher volume of player complaints for us that any other group."

How many complaints overall have bCasino generated through your site? Cheers.

Can we skip the false pretenses in asking for information you have already looked up? If you have a point to make, make it. If that's defending bCasino I doubt you're going to find a particularly receptive audience.

bCasino are Blacklisted because of the connections that have been demonstrated to a group that are as rogue as they come. The GTG and associated companies have

- been caught running fake games
- employ genuinely rogue terms (like a max bet term on non-bonus play that the both the MGA and MCCAA determined was non-compliant with EU Consumer Laws - they dumped their MGA license and move to Curacao just as that ruling came down and continue with this practice that shorts multiple players that complain to us every month)
- run predatory self-exclusion protocols (group wide SEs without providing the player any way to know where their exclusion applies and no registration checks to catch SE registrations - addicts get free rolled, if they lose the group keeps the money and if they win the group refuses to pay due to their heartfelt concern for protecting vulnerable players)
- work with affiliates specifically looking target gambling addicts in countries that they do not hold a license to access - the list goes on and on.

That a casino is run 'clean' to allow it to access a licensed market doesn't undo those sorts of connections or make us in any way comfortable that players will be treated fairly in the long run. Nor would we as an affiliate want to financially support a business that is connected to a group engaged in these types of activities.

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No we can't make a deal. I left it last night, and you attacking the second member in a short space of time prompted me to post again.

The ONLY reason you posted in this thread was to have a go at Duncan. You know that, I know that and so should anyone else reading it.

OK then that's it. Matter closed. I have my ex-business partner on Skype and I wanted to answer any outstanding questions. Fine if you want to bring an end to it now.

And on the second point, no I would never post just to attack someone. I hold both Duncan and ThePogg with great respect and was simply pointing something out that was brought to my attention.
 
OK then that's it. Matter closed. I have my ex-business partner on Skype and I wanted to answer any outstanding questions. Fine if you want to bring an end to it now.

And on the second point, no I would never post just to attack someone. I hold both Duncan and ThePogg with great respect and was simply pointing something out that was brought to my attention.
Only a thought, but why didnt you PM ThePogg and point out what was brought to your attention rather than posting about it? I know if I want to point something out to someone I do it in private, not on a public forum......
And I am only an interested bystander in this, just wondering why....
 
OK then that's it. Matter closed. I have my ex-business partner on Skype and I wanted to answer any outstanding questions. Fine if you want to bring an end to it now.

And on the second point, no I would never post just to attack someone. I hold both Duncan and ThePogg with great respect and was simply pointing something out that was brought to my attention.

So did Duncan not respond to your PM about it or did you think, a day after the posts yesterday, you would just try to make him look bad in public?
 
Can we skip the false pretenses in asking for information you have already looked up? If you have a point to make, make it. If that's defending bCasino I doubt you're going to find a particularly receptive audience.
TP

I haven't looked anything up, that is why I was asking. I'm keen to see how many complaints they generated.

I have just spoken to my ex business partner to check as he still has the records. Over the 18 months bCasino were promoted there was 924 depositing players. Based on 73 players feedback, the average withdrawal time was 27 hours and there was only 3 complaints in that time. They were all related to KYC.

A search on AskGamblers shows bCasino with also good player feedback. In fact, I'm struggling to find any serious complaints about them.
 
OK then that's it. Matter closed. I have my ex-business partner on Skype and I wanted to answer any outstanding questions. Fine if you want to bring an end to it now.

And on the second point, no I would never post just to attack someone. I hold both Duncan and ThePogg with great respect and was simply pointing something out that was brought to my attention.


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I haven't looked anything up, that is why I was asking. I'm keen to see how many complaints they generated.

I have just spoken to my ex business partner to check as he still has the records. Over the 18 months bCasino were promoted there was 924 depositing players. Based on 73 players feedback, the average withdrawal time was 27 hours and there was only 3 complaints in that time. They were all related to KYC.

A search on AskGamblers shows bCasino with also good player feedback. In fact, I'm struggling to find any serious complaints about them.

You haven't looked anything up but you are searching ask gamblers that well known solid reliable unbiased site.... for bCasino references.

You seem to desperate to prove that bCasino are a jolly happy reliable casino we should all rush off to . Just a shame we can't use your links anymore :( :( :eek2:
 
@Nicola I watched the other thread unfold along with this and thought to myself....where are the mods to trot out the blessed forum T&C's regarding forum usage?

Of course they are attacking you. But you are not part of the club or an affiliate bringing in 'the bees and the honey' so of course it will go unchallenged.

I actually wanted to PM you because I know they'll just attack anyone who comes to your defence but...yeah....whatever....you know how it goes on here.
 
I think it's best that I just leave this discussion. I have tried to resolve it tonight by inviting concerned members to message me or open a on topic thread which was turned down.

A respected member has just told me to take a break before it gets out of hand. So yes, I'm signing off for 30 days :)
 
@Nicola I watched the other thread unfold along with this and thought to myself....where are the mods to trot out the blessed forum T&C's regarding forum usage?

Of course they are attacking you. But you are not part of the club or an affiliate bringing in 'the bees and the honey' so of course it will go unchallenged.

I actually wanted to PM you because I know they'll just attack anyone who comes to your defence but...yeah....whatever....you know how it goes on here.

I'm not an affilate nor part of any club. I'm not stupid though or fooled by diversion to others.

If you dont like "how it goes on here " have you spoken to Bryan ? If something contravenes forum rules he should be made aware.
 
@Nicola I watched the other thread unfold along with this and thought to myself....where are the mods to trot out the blessed forum T&C's regarding forum usage?

Of course they are attacking you. But you are not part of the club or an affiliate bringing in 'the bees and the honey' so of course it will go unchallenged.

I actually wanted to PM you because I know they'll just attack anyone who comes to your defence but...yeah....whatever....you know how it goes on here.
I have to say I am not part of any club, nor am I an affiliate of any description, but what I am is a normal CM member who can see the difference between promoting a casino linked to a group that is rogued on every decent site and promoting a site that is licensed by the MGA/UKGC and has terms that will affect a very small number of players........ I suppose I will be accused of attacking people now?
 
@Nicola I watched the other thread unfold along with this and thought to myself....where are the mods to trot out the blessed forum T&C's regarding forum usage?

I wondered that too when she was attacking another member

Of course they are attacking you. But you are not part of the club or an affiliate bringing in 'the bees and the honey' so of course it will go unchallenged.

I don't understand that, what club? And Nicola is an affiliate?
 
Got to admit i kind of agree with slotter in a sense.

I also read the other thread as well as this one and i find some of the stuff wrote a bit hypocritical.
Nicola gets called out for taking time to search for information yet others have spent so much time searching to find fault with her.

Can see why Bcasino has been rogued here. But maybe if they are so bad everyone should be chasing the UKGC to find out why they are licencing it. Also find it hard to find many complaints about them. On the other hand i do not see the problem with sportingbet either and would hardly class them as a rogue operation.

But from a person that basically reads a lot of threads on here i would say Nicola gets a hard time. Not saying she is right as she may well be in the wrong. But in several threads where she has been having a disagreement with someone then several others will always join in against her. Even if she makes a valid point noone agrees they just keep putting her down.

Anyway i personally don't care much about affiliate stuff and have my own opinions about it.

I also don't really care about the fact i will get told i am talking crap. But as someone that has never even spoke to Nicola and is completely neutral i would say she gets a harder time than she deserves quite often on here.
 
Here we go hijacking another thread Colin. I am not attacking anyone, I'm bringing up a valid point that a member here is promoting a rogue site. I have provided evidence of that. You can check for yourself.

Yes, it was well covered last year I promoted a rogue site. I admitted it, I have never denied that fact. I removed the link from CM when I was asked.

Once again, I say respectfully... I no longer webmaster ANY affiliate site. If any site I used to manage is promoting a rogue site, what can I do about it? You have the option of reporting it to the UKGC, ASA just like anyone else.

For clarity, the image provided clearly shows the SB ad on thePOGG is not the front page, but 9 pages down.
**Apologies, this was covered further down, I was eating tea and left this post for a while before coming back to it**
Okay, moving on - you say "any site you used to manage etc" but that's the point, this happened on your watch, not just yesterday. With the knowledge/info you had made available to you regarding bcasino and given your position & responsibilities you listed in that other thread I cannot believe that that site got promoted without your say-so. Either you had the same decision-making clout as the office cleaner in that set-up you described OR you simply decided to ignore the advice given.

You also misrepresented (as well as unwisely posting a private message from Bryan when just referring to the gist would have been enough) that Bryan 'proved' you didn't remove those incriminating images. His PM said nothing of the sort. He was simply being diplomatic and politely asking after the images in a softly-softly manner - you misrepresented his speculation about image host issues as fact.

Upon further investigation, it appears that it's almost certain (but I cannot demonstrate this 100% at this stage until I get the remaining info) that the timing of their removal doesn't match the reasons put forward thus far. You could have cooperated in the spirit of the community by supplying them which could have been instrumental in ensuring this outfit, which can only have been funded by the 1668/JAZ scams, never got near to passing themselves off as legitimate and getting a UK license. I highly doubt, Xenofo host or whatever, you never retained those incendiary images on your PC or device and possibly even still have them.

At this stage you're probably thinking 'this is the moment he'll say you took the wrong path, forgot your ethics'. Nope - that would be unfair. The obtaining of the UGC license by GS/AI was a vital stage in their dodgy enterprise and you could've blown it out of the water when they saw your thread. Because we at CM, between us, have had SEO Black Hat, death threats to kids, hacking threats, DDOS, content skimming, the whole lot from them and their acolytes. So in my opinion, my personal belief only, I reckon you were either coerced or if lucky incentivised to remove what you could - they would know you cannot edit the post away and getting you to ask the admin to do it would simply confirm you were right, but images were the main part and you could 'lose' those.

In my eyes (and I reiterate this is solely MY take on this and not endorsed by anyone else) you made a great spot when starting that thread but to go from the kudos you got there for ethics and community safety right through to actually promoting them is baffling to many and the above is the only logical explanation I can see. If a member has PM'd you in support, I suggest they read the above and understand what these people are all about and then see why the matter is so emotive. No affiliate is perfect, far from it, and it ain't a perfect industry to be as I have discovered like most.

OK, this has been a long post and I started off with a paragraph or two relevant to the thread, typed rather too much addressing one line of your quoted post so it's best I finish with relevance again. It's important to distinguish in these matters between 'CM Rogued' and 'Rogue Casinos'. The two aren't necessarily mutually exclusive - example being SkyVegas who were CM rogued for affiliate treatment IIRC at one time yet we all know that for players there aren't many safer or better and no way would Bryan have sanctioned members for promoting them on their websites. This is a player advocacy forum and they are great as far as players go, right? The term 'rogue' is quite subjective and there are many shithouse casinos scamming players who are the opposite and look after the affiliates (for a while anyway). Then you have some in the middle with a 'rogue term'. It's worth considering the difference.

My keyboard is wearing out and no! @vinylweatherman hasn't come back either!
 
I haven't looked anything up, that is why I was asking. I'm keen to see how many complaints they generated.

I have just spoken to my ex business partner to check as he still has the records. Over the 18 months bCasino were promoted there was 924 depositing players. Based on 73 players feedback, the average withdrawal time was 27 hours and there was only 3 complaints in that time. They were all related to KYC.

A search on AskGamblers shows bCasino with also good player feedback. In fact, I'm struggling to find any serious complaints about them.
That is utterly irrelevant and not the issue here and you know it.

I'll put it in terms you cannot fail to understand.

The 'syndicate' open a posh Italian on Broadway, 5* cuisine, best chefs, cooks and equipment going. Great food and wine, good value too. Only, behind the scenes there are 20 back street business that have been ripped-off, coerced into ordering stuff on tick for the syndicate to relieve them of, threats to staff, protection money, broken fingers and general misery.

You know this, do you still go and eat there? Advertise them? Or like most informed people, steer clear?
 
Well Nicola is apparently taking a holiday from our forums and the way this "topic" came about stinks so...

Thread closed and Nicola gets that 30 day vacation. The moral of that story is don't use our forums to attempt to discredit another affiliate site, particularly not ThePogg who doesn't deserve that kind of BS.

If anyone wants to lodge a protest please feel free to Report this post and give your reasons.
 
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OK, I'm hearing that the 30 days seems excessive. Actually I was just using Nicola's own suggestion but I get that not everyone appreciates that. Anyway, let's call it 6 days.
 
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