So long, MG. Wish you know you have lost one loyal player 's trust.

[oyw7862]

Firstly, I state that I am not here to start a debate on software fairness. This thread is merely my last few words on MG slots, since I have decided to stop playing MG software forever after nearly 2 years loyal to this software.

The following experience is based on my real play records.

The story should start from later July - early August, when MG massively updated the software. Payout patterns on slots changed. At that time I was playing at one of F/L casinos. The first thing I noticed was that the free spin features on thunderstuck were becoming extramely difficult to get. 400 - 700 spins no featues becomes very common to me even if the feature should average be triggered 132 spins. Second, the payout of features was very very poor. Once, I played the whole night and at least got 30 free spins none of them above 20x bets. August needless to say was a blood bath, I lost 3 times as much as I usually lost even if I bet the same size.

At that time I have not noticed that MG might did sth about the slots, I then turned to another F/L casino and after a long losing steak I finally havd a nice feature(5 rams @ 1.35), but I did not realize that was extramely lucky for me.

Followed by another long losing steak, things turned fishy, the near hit features appeared in a scaring frequency. I recall the last time play, I got almost 40 - 50 times near hit features(5OK). That are all in about 7K spins.
More, 6 - 7 free spins paid nothing(except the trigger itself).

There are still alots of strange behaviors of MG slots in recent months. I will not list them as I very often just played thunderstuck.
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The following is just my guess,which may not be correct:
(1) As too many new slots come out, RNG malfunction and trigger the system self-protect. That may explain the "Casino Error #2"
(2) Due to global ecomony went down, alot of MG casinos are going under, to prevent this, MG did some temp adjustments.
(3) MG software initially designed with a rate of holding, as less players and deposits, Obvirously, the win features become less.
(4) ALLEN attack
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If the reason for recent changes was #1 I think it is forgive-able. Every piece of software will have some bugs.
However, if it was due to #2/3, it is not fair to hide from players. And MG had done a foolish thing as regular players would notice changes.
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After all, I have lost confidence on MG games and for me thunderstuck no joy anymore.

It is interesting, I have noticed the pattern changes on thunderstuck since the start of SEP, but I still played for another month and lost quite a bit money. I know that because I am an addict. I always tell myself, things bond to change unfortunately, it will not change in short time.

I will step out of any games provided by MG from now on. For me, RTG is even better, because we all know the payout can be changed.

At last I feel regret, that in the 2 years play I totally got 5 rams 12 times but did not have a chance to get the jackpot.

Sorry for my English.

 

[slotplayer]

This has been going on for months. I basically play the same 3 games and I could tell right off the bat that something changed drastically. I emailed the casino a couple of months back and complained that the games are different.

On a similar note, there was an old Gtech land casino slot game called Reel Fruit for those that might know the game and I remember the casino shortened the time it took to tally the win to increase the number of spins per minute. You could tell by the ding sound. It went from several dings to just 1 or 2 dings for the same win combination. They don't think players notice but they do.

 

[Rusty]

I think it is more noticeable to those who play a favourite game regularly.
Be it that game is Thunderstruck, Munchkins or in my case Cashapillar.
The free spins have become as rare as rocking horse s*** and almost always pay garbage.
I think the payouts are lower across the board all platforms at the moment as it is not just me who gets/got nada from so many deposits.

By the way Allen is a good friend of mine, leave him out of this

 

[Rhyzz]

I'll agree here, I haven't had a good session as any MG Casino for a while, my play at 32Red had significantly slowed and I tend to play with Playtech casino's at the moment.

The more slots they seem to bring out (MG), the less the current ones seem to pay. I started my 32Red account playing on Hitman, the bonus was quite regular, albeit relatively small payouts. Now, I can't recall the last time I hit a bonus on Hitman after thouuuuusands of spins.

C'est la vie, I'll just play where I feel as though I have a chance of winning.

 

[oyw7862]

Sorry Rusty - should be "alien" instead of allen

 

[Rusty]

Sorry Rusty - should be "alien" instead of allen

I know that Baby, just kidding with ya.

I am in the process of playing off any remaining balances in my accounts and wow it just get worse and worse.
Cashapillar I have triggered Two features in nearly 1500 spins in Two Casinos.
At one time it was over 140 consecutive spins without the scatter appearing anywhere on the first reel!
Payouts again around 60%.

I think if there is anyone left out there that still believes the slots are completely random and not weighted to adjust payouts needs to think again.

MG seem to think RTG have a neat trick screwing the players, well make the most of what is left in my accounts Boys and girls because it will be crumbs for you in the future, if you are lucky.

 

[oyw7862]

I just hope more players in this forum can truely open their eyes.
MG casinos do pay the wins however if you can not win, does that matter?

I hope it is just a software bug not MG intends to rip off players.

Otherwise, MG should be listed in as Rogue software provider just like start-your-own-casino.

 

[Rusty]

Sorry Rusty - should be "alien" instead of allen

I just hope more players in this forum can truely open their eyes.
MG casinos do pay the wins however if you can not win, does that matter?

I hope it is just a software bug not MG intends to rip off players.

Otherwise, MG should be listed in as Rogue software provider just like start-your-own-casino.

MG are a very professional outfit and the term rogue does not quite fit IMO because the software is not rigged as such it is just flexible if you see what I mean.
Rogue MG and every software and every Casino can be termed rogue and then we would have no way of distinguishing between greedy business practices and criminal endeavours.
Of course some would argue the Two are One and the same.

 

[funky_seagull]

Aye I agree.

I stupidly decided to play at M.G. again today, and lost big.This past month this has happened too often and that's it for me, I've had enough. If they want to become the casino software equivalent of scrooge that's up to them.

I will invest my money somewhere else where I at least have a chance - the whole microgaming thing at the moment seems designed to suck our money like a dyson.

I really hate them. I feel like I've been made a fool of.

I have some deposits in other MG casinos, and have just withdrawn them all and won't be coming back.

I am having more fun at playtech, who at the moment don't seem to have followed the: skank players for as much as you can to survive the credit crunch approach. At least with playtech you can win something. I hope that doesn't change as well.

Microgaming have gone downlhill. In my experience their games aren't random or fair and I've had enough of them. Being ripped off isn't nice.

My conclusion: Avoid microgaming like the plague, unless you enjoy the experience of theft.

It's a shame cause they used to be my favourite, but this whole experience has left me feeling pished off and bitter towards them...

yes casino games are games of chance... but people don't play to lose - people play to win, and winning something is part of the fun - giving something back to prolong the experience of playing so that it lasts for a while isn't too much to ask is it... I mean most people lose it in the end anyway... but most people want to spend a bit of time playing as that is the enjoyment - losing your deposit in 15 minutes and winning nothing is not fun...

 

[KasinoKing]

I think if there is anyone left out there that still believes the slots are completely random and not weighted to adjust payouts needs to think again.

I'm thinking matey, I'm thinking.
I can't honestly say I've seen anything different with MG recently. I've had bad sessions and I've had good sessions - same as always.

Just ran a quick stat check on Osbournes - playing every day for Lads scratchcards:-

So far this month:
Total spins; 2,458
Knockers feature; 24 times = 1 in 102 spins
Grab a Gift feat; . 17 times = 1 in 144 spins
Free-spins feat; . 16 times = 1 in 153 spins
Total of features; 57 times = 1 in 43 spins

I haven't analysed this slot yet (next on my list!), but that seems about right to me.

Total wagered; 1,408
Total lost; ........ 120
Return: ........... 91.5%

Not 96% I know, but then I haven't hit any big wins & only got to Ozzy 3 times in the free-spins...

I'm a bit of a Cashapillarholic as well, but again, I've not seen anything outside the expected parameters. Played last night & got free-spins twice inside 250 goes (The odds are 1 in 160). They didn't pay much (bet x48 & bet x0.72 (See Screenshots that Suck!)) but I hit a lucky big win in normal spins which helped me to a nice profit!

 

[funky_seagull]

I'm guessing microgaming don't care what we think. They obviously don't want players like us, maybe because we win more often than they would like... they probably think of people like us as parasites.

they want new innocent players ready for the fleecing, who will lose their money, they only want them to stay loyal if they lose.

For all I know they could be targeting players who win too often so they do leave, as they don't want people who aren't making them a profit around anymore... so leaving is probably exactly what they want us to do.

Casinos have ways of monitoring play, and have special teams of people who look for risk assessment and ways of reducing it. If you go in a landbased casino there are cameras everywhere watching what you do. There is a room in the back full of monitors, watching every table, every player, every hand/spin played. In these rooms are people whose job it is to assess risk. If they don't like the way you play, you either get asked to leave, or the odds/payouts of the game you are playing change.

If this happens in land-based casinos, why wouldn't it also happen in online ones?

 

[Rusty]

I'm thinking matey, I'm thinking.
I can't honestly say I've seen anything different with MG recently. I've had bad sessions and I've had good sessions - same as always.

Just ran a quick stat check on Osbournes - playing every day for Lads scratchcards:-

So far this month:
Total spins; 2,458
Knockers feature; 24 times = 1 in 102 spins
Grab a Gift feat; . 17 times = 1 in 144 spins
Free-spins feat; . 16 times = 1 in 153 spins
Total of features; 57 times = 1 in 43 spins

I haven't analysed this slot yet (next on my list!), but that seems about right to me.

Total wagered; 1,408
Total lost; ........ 120
Return: ........... 91.5%

Not 96% I know, but then I haven't hit any big wins & only got to Ozzy 3 times in the free-spins...

I'm a bit of a Cashapillarholic as well, but again, I've not seen anything outside the expected parameters. Played last night & got free-spins twice inside 250 goes (The odds are 1 in 160). They didn't pay much (bet x48 & bet x0.72 (See Screenshots that Suck!)) but I hit a lucky big win in normal spins which helped me to a nice profit!

I havent played many other slots other than cashapillar I must admit because that has slaughtered me before I get chance.
My last session was 27,36 and 45C a spin.
I managed 2 features in just over 800 spins and had only 2 average payouts.
After each average win I hit nothing until I was back well below the level before the win.
overall payout was around 60%
The session before that I went nearly 300 spins and no features and the session before just over 900 spins and 2 features.
again about 60-65% payout
I had no decent hits in any of the sessions ie over 50Xbet.
The several sessions before these were not quite as bad but the freespins were still hitting only once every 250 spins or there abouts.
nearer 75%
Most damning of all though the scatters have been AWOL over this period and as I said for the 1st reel not to hit Once in around 150 spins (after I have already voiced my concerns) proves for me that weighting is in effect and payouts being throttled back.
If you are getting average results playing this game then you simply havent played it enough yet and have been lucky because it is so improbable as to be impossible for me to be that unlucky over a sustained period just at a time others are having similar experiences.
If your results continue to conflict with many other peoples then you are being favoured and good luck to you
If I was getting your results I wouldn't be stopping.
It's that simple.

 

[Westland Bowl]

I'm guessing microgaming don't care what we think. They obviously don't want players like us, maybe because we win more often than they would like... they probably think of people like us as parasites.......

What if the "parasite" was Casinomeister himself?!?

 

[clj7221]

I have noticed the change in the free spin bonus. The money from the spins have dwindled down to almost nothing.

I'm guessing microgaming don't care what we think. They obviously don't want players like us, maybe because we win more often than they would like... they probably think of people like us as parasites.

they want new innocent players ready for the fleecing, who will lose their money, they only want them to stay loyal if they lose.

For all I know they could be targeting players who win too often so they do leave, as they don't want people who aren't making them a profit around anymore... so leaving is probably exactly what they want us to do.

Casinos have ways of monitoring play, and have special teams of people who look for risk assessment and ways of reducing it. If you go in a landbased casino there are cameras everywhere watching what you do. There is a room in the back full of monitors, watching every table, every player, every hand/spin played. In these rooms are people whose job it is to assess risk. If they don't like the way you play, you either get asked to leave, or the odds/payouts of the game you are playing change.

If this happens in land-based casinos, why wouldn't it also happen in online ones?

 

[slotplayer]

For all I know they could be targeting players who win too often so they do leave, as they don't want people who aren't making them a profit around anymore... so leaving is probably exactly what they want us to do.

Casinos have ways of monitoring play, and have special teams of people who look for risk assessment and ways of reducing it. If you go in a landbased casino there are cameras everywhere watching what you do. There is a room in the back full of monitors.

that's funny you mentioned it. I was at a state operated land casino several years ago and I saw a door opened. A guy was sitting there watching a bunch of monitors but the casino didn't have any table games. I would imagine it was just routine security more than anything else.

However, the cameras are in the slot machines as well. I lost a ticket one time and they had to verify that it was me. I had to stand in front of the slot so they could see it was me playing it. No one cashed the ticket and they gave me the cash, $300 bucks.

It does seem like online casinos target players. If anything I would say they target those that make frequent reversals. Really hard to say one way or the other.

Again, when I used to go to the state operated land casino every 2-3 hours many games would be paying like crazy you could tell by the noise level and actually gear your wagering amount by it. This lasted for about 30 minutes, then all at once things would get quiet again for another 2-3 hours.

 

[oldandboring40]

difference between a land based and mg is at a real casino a buck bet could win you 1200 dollars of someone elses money.at a mg casino you are only playing yourself. you lose big you might have a good win later (maybe) but you never walk out with a big win without having fed it to them first. do it for fun but you have to be crazy to think there is even a remote chance of a big win.

 

[KasinoKing]

difference between a land based and mg is at a real casino a buck bet could win you 1200 dollars of someone elses money.at a mg casino you are only playing yourself. you lose big you might have a good win later (maybe) but you never walk out with a big win without having fed it to them first. do it for fun but you have to be crazy to think there is even a remote chance of a big win.

So you're saying a casino is just like one huge fruit machine & you can never make profit...?
I think you ought to A) Look at Webzcas' "Who is the daddy" thread, and B) find a different hobby!

KK

 

[LaHutti]

So you're saying a casino is just like one huge fruit machine & you can never make profit...?
I think you ought to A) Look at Webzcas' "Who is the daddy" thread, and B) find a different hobby!

KK

I agree on that ... it is possible to hit big.
The problem for us lowrollers is, it takes a truckload of lowrolling losers to pay one big winner like that.
Those few big wins are what the casinos use to drag people in there tho, cuz you never know....could be you next, yeah right

 

[oldandboring40]

looked at webzcas thread and it was a nice win. but those threads are few and far between. i have hit some really good wins but most of that was before congress stepped in. even semi decent wins are few and far between nowadays. also i failed to mention that the last three checks from this mg casino (250, 73, 70 dollars) all bounced in the last two weeks. from i thought a very reputable casino. just my opinion.

 

[steinhaug]

I'm guessing microgaming don't care what we think. They obviously don't want players like us, maybe because we win more often than they would like... they probably think of people like us as parasites.

Well that should be bloody obvious! Do you thing people build a casino to serve the customers? People build a casino to make as much money as possible, and they intend to screw you as much as possible and even have policies internally to do so! This is old news, and gets out in media from time to time however most gamblers for some reasons have tunnel-vision and live in denial.

Example from norwegian newspaper yesterday:

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Henning Myrer worked for years in the company Bet365 and tells ut that the company internally had policies to screw the non profit customers, and what methods they used to "milk" the loosers. How they calculated and petted their loosing ones to keep depositing more with the use of bonuses and you know what.

But it's a lost cause telling the truth often, people simply wont understand! We live in harmonym we are all nioce, corporatism doen'st exist!

Oh, yes, did you see the bosses in Lehman got quite some millions in bonuses now for their past months worth of work! Fuck me - that tells it all who's your daddy!

So funky_seagull, you are correct, if you are a winner (that means +100% payout) you are no good for the casino! If you loose - they love you and want you! You are the best customer ever!

 

[Westland Bowl]

Well that should be bloody obvious! Do you thing people build a casino to serve the customers? People build a casino to make as much money as possible, and they intend to screw you as much as possible and even have policies internally to do so!........

I am aware that online casinos definitely do not like consistent winners but I assume they have a lot more losers to make up for all the winners' take many times over. And if they want to keep their accredited casino status here at CM and anywhere else, they have to keep their play on a certified fair and random basis, instead of interrupting the normal RNG card selection to FORCE losing hands on bigger bets.

But how would an organization like eCOGRA find these forced-losing-hands in their supposed review of RNG Blackjack fairness of an online casino? There are millions of blackjack hands being played in a 6-month review period and how are they going to find the few hands in which normal RNG selection was overridden either manually or by a conditional programming statement inserted into the software? (either at Microgaming level or by the casino itself....I suspect it's at Microgaming level.) This is not to even mention whether eCOGRA itself is all that independent of influence by online casinos.

I would feel better about playing at online casinos if an independent third party was the dealer drawing the cards. There is just too much benefit of a doubt needed to trust in the fairness of online casinos.

 

[GrandMaster]

difference between a land based and mg is at a real casino a buck bet could win you 1200 dollars of someone elses money.at a mg casino you are only playing yourself. you lose big you might have a good win later (maybe) but you never walk out with a big win without having fed it to them first. do it for fun but you have to be crazy to think there is even a remote chance of a big win.

Well, I hit a royal flush in my very first session of playing at a MG casino, so I didn't just win my own money back.

 

[bernynhel]

.... The first thing I noticed was that the free spin features on thunderstuck ....

Since you do not specify and it's not mentioned again in the thread I am assuming you refer to TS1. Very surprised to see it mentioned at all, let alone the first negative experience you cite as cause for this thread.

After playing TS1 in no less than 9,457,432 & 1/2 free roll tournaments, I couldn't help but notice that my wins (and the vast majority of my hundreds/thousands competitors' wins) rarely reached 1/3 of whatever the beginning bankroll was. If I started with 5k, for example, I'd (they'd) be lucky to wind up with 2k in the win box after wagering the 5. That so many other slot players must certainly be, at least subconsciously, aware of these poor performance statistics I am shocked to learn that someone is still playing this dinosaur slot for money. I thought it was a particularly stupid choice for the MG tournaments since so many people would be judging MGs (i wudda thought) slots on this homely dog! If i had been beating my head against TS1 for any measurable length of time I too might be swearing off MG had I given any weight to the value of the franchise based on such a POS, ugly, slow and usatisfying fossil as TS1.

 

[oyw7862]

Is there another version of TS?
I play both regular one and high limited.

I like it because most of my biggest wins coming from this slot.
35K(AJ), 12K(AJ), 8K(AJ VIP), 4.5K(FL) all happened before March this year(from last year Feb). Then 1.5K cap

 

[KasinoKing]

Is there another version of TS?

I think Bern is getting Thunderstruck confused with Tomb Raider... ?
There is TR1 & TR2, but only one TS as far a I know...

KK

 

[shadow123]

I only play MG casinos and cant say am I seeing much difference in
gameplay or returns over the last few months.
Having said that, I have not made enough to bother cashing in over the last few weeks but I have have had a fair run for my money.

My biggest issue with MG is with certain games,including

Osbournes,
Hitman,
the new Kingcashalot

these along with a few other are showing definate signs of cycling rather than
the random play that they are supposed based on.

Hitman is a prime example,it will go for 100,s of plays without showing the feature symbols on reels 3 and 4 in the same spin, then seems to switch mode and start throwing these in until you get the feature, after the feature it stays in the same mode or goes dead again.The free spin scatters seems to do a similar thing.

Osbounes is the same,you can go a long time without seeing scattered dogs
then it stats to throw 2 in until you achieve the feature.

Maybe it just me

 

[vinylweatherman]

I only play MG casinos and cant say am I seeing much difference in
gameplay or returns over the last few months.
Having said that, I have not made enough to bother cashing in over the last few weeks but I have have had a fair run for my money.

My biggest issue with MG is with certain games,including

Osbournes,
Hitman,
the new Kingcashalot

these along with a few other are showing definate signs of cycling rather than
the random play that they are supposed based on.

Hitman is a prime example,it will go for 100,s of plays without showing the feature symbols on reels 3 and 4 in the same spin, then seems to switch mode and start throwing these in until you get the feature, after the feature it stays in the same mode or goes dead again.The free spin scatters seems to do a similar thing.

Osbounes is the same,you can go a long time without seeing scattered dogs
then it stats to throw 2 in until you achieve the feature.

Maybe it just me

Nope

I think the same too with the cycling and mode switching. The "official" explanation is that our brains are seeing a pattern where none exists because they are designed to search out patterns to help in deciding what to do next.

Funnily enough, it works on MG slots - even though it shouldn't

 

[steinhaug]

Funnily enough, it works on MG slots - even though it shouldn't

You are crazy vinylweatherman, a complete nut job! Throwing around such insane conspiracy theories?

 

[shadow123]

Nope

I think the same too with the cycling and mode switching. The "official" explanation is that our brains are seeing a pattern where none exists because they are designed to search out patterns to help in deciding what to do next.

Funnily enough, it works on MG slots - even though it shouldn't

Nice to know the voices in my head may be right sometimes

 

[Rusty]

I am sick and tired of people saying the slots are not entirely random or are weighted or that there are patterns.

Just because you hit a win streak after those 10 losing deposits and got upto around X5 your deposit and then suddenly you could not hit anything again and your payout fell away to 60%.

Just because the paytables do not corrispond to how a paytable based on random probability would. (ie symbols that are more likely make a win line paying more than one less likely)

Just because the scatter symbols build up in hit frequency before a feature and then when the feature is hit/if good/ dissapear again.

Just because if you are playing high stakes and losing badly you drop to a much lower stake and suddenly hit,hit,hit.

Just because there are no proper checks or consequences on Casinos that might use cheating software.

Just because some Casinos, even some once thought reputable, have been caught cheating in various ways.

Just because of those few minor things you come out with these wild conspiracy theories that the software might not be as advertised even though the people who make millions from it assure us otherwise.

Haha you fool!





What happened?
I think I was possessed by a shill.

 

[bernynhel]

I think Bern is getting Thunderstruck confused with Tomb Raider... ?
There is TR1 & TR2, but only one TS as far a I know...KK

You are absolutely right KK I stand corrected. Glad that any confusion as to which slot I feel that MG chose so unwisely for their free rolls let alone, given the volumes of redly, available performance data on the tournament pages of so many MG casino, that anyone would actually risk their own money on it, has been eliminated.

I think the same too with the cycling and mode switching. The "official" explanation is that our brains are seeing a pattern where none exists because they are designed to search out patterns to help in deciding what to do next.

If brains are not designed that way then we do our best to "customize" them as best we can to work that way. What gambler wouldn't want to hone that kind of ability? The problem with slots is that the huge variety of games, symbols used on reels and the billions of combinations, especially with 5 reel bonus games, makes it very difficult to recognize, let alone attach any reliable deduction to the way a losing spin's reels have aligned themselves. So losing spins offer little or no help, for the most part, in deciding what to do next. However, we all have our favorites that we, at least, feel we "know like the back of our hands" (so why are we still here instead of chillin on our own private isle?) and on these selected games its possible to get a feel for hot streaks and dry spells.

With card games (as far as their online application goes, these are just more slots which use cards instead of symbols on reels) we are dealing with visual images we are well accustomed to and are finite across all games, limited to the same 52 - 54 images we have known all our lives. I am compiling what I feel to be very provocative sampling on an image hosting site which will illustrate exactly this. I feel that the wildest imaginations expressed in this thread are probably very close to the truth and that any doubts by some will be eliminated through my simple illustration. More later.

 

[RobWin]

True Randomness vs Weighted Reels vs Patterns vs Reel Strips Fluctuation...

Were all screwed, if we keep thinking we are ever going to get a fair game from all of these unregulated online casinos...who are we kidding ? Me included...

 

[Jane_E]

I have drop al MG casino somthing have happend impossibel to win anymore befor MG casino was NR1 but now they are one of the worst casino software online , i will never play at any MG casino again i will play on landbased casino insted , so MG have lost a highroller ;-) and i am sure they will lose a lots of players , do they think pepoel still they play then they never win deposite 20-30 times and no whithdrawel lol ofcorse somthing stinks and they will lose a shithload of players if this countinue !!!!!!!

 

[oyw7862]

Yes, the winning cycles are so rare on MG slots.
Recall my last play - the first free spin I got at Alljackpots is after 463 dry spins.
Then I turned to FL - the first free spin is after 721 dry spins.

I total got 7 free spins and lost 2650$(700 AJ + 1950$ FL) in 3 hours play at 2.25$ and 12 deposits, none of them even went up a single Fxxking $.

I am closing all my MG accounts inc. DASH/32Red, Alljackpots etc.

On this issue, I do not blame casinos, I blame MG.

As I wrote to one casino rep, either this issue is a bug or a bad business practice.

As you may all read my summary on last years play, I do have a lot of good wins on TS, but I still 50K lost, I can not bet the 5% house edge.

I just want some fun, and you take it and want more hard earned cash from me.

That is not fair!

 

[brianzz]

These "patterns" are spreading to other games, break da bank again looks like the most recent victim. The past few days I've gone no less than 180 spins between just 2 scatters, when in reality it should be 20 to 30 spins with the 3rd landing about every 150th spin (on average). But it's very obvious something internally has changed.

Looks like another halfway decent game has gone the way of Hitman, hundreds and hundreds of losing spins with the occasional 1/4 or 1/2 your bet returned on a winning spin. Since Hitman is available for tournament play now, hopefully they'll replace that god awful Thunderstruck or Tomb Raider, the scores will confirm this theory.

And on a possibly unrelated note, did anyone catch the update when you start up MG casinos one day last week ....... casino loading goes to about 23% then closes and restarts quickly and loads normally but once you get logged in no games update and nothing cosmetic has changed.. hmmm, loading new reel strips? Not to mention the on again and off again jackpot thermometers as they make extraordinary changes between games and go back to what they originally were just a few moments later. I did notice the Isis and Supe It Up thermometers swapping with each other with a regular frequency

 

[steinhaug]

I total got 7 free spins and lost 2650$(700 AJ + 1950$ FL) in 3 hours play at 2.25$ and 12 deposits, none of them even went up a single Fxxking $.

I am pretty sure this is a casino account you have had for some while? Not a new one? As mentioned earlier new accounts are gold it seems, since the "previous gaming history" cannot be used against you.

I opened a new acocunt at canbet with the meister150 promo, starting at 120. I startet small and was upto 950 in an hour. Then it went down again, the last 100 was devided in long runs on several slots, but now it was pretty impossible to win so all went in 0.01 - 0.50 spins.

This has to be the 5th new MG casino I promoed and made the initial depost(including bonus) atleast tripple, only to fade away.

It only goes to show that I can win - however I sure can loose. This is a little strange really, since always winning in the start should not become always loosing hard... Unless you take this logic into account:

If I could make 100 become 500, surely if I deposit another fresh 100 I can make those become 500 again?

The fun part is, what really happends, is that you deposit 500 and get back to somewhere in between 400-500 only after depositing 500 - and by that time you are all warm and fuzzy and tired of the game and up the ante - and as by some miraculous power the upped spins are eaten quickly!

I will do a bet soon with some friends, and I should document it!

My bet is as follows:

Open up 10 new accounts with promo - all accounts starting with say $100.
I will atleast make 75% of the accounts become +$200.

Surely I cant withdraw due to the T&C, however my bet is only that I can double the money in a fresh account, and I will bet $1000 with my friends. If I loose I loose $1000 + 10x$50 = $1500, if I win I win $500.

That's a bad bet, but for some reason I have a feeling I will win. Again, last 5 I trippled the money! Now that's a special statistics comming from a man loosing all the time - that is - in excisiting accounts!

When that is said, it was fun spinning at canbet - a 30 cost for 4 hours of fun! (However, should have withdrawn, LOL, as usual, however I am not depositing more! Been there done that. KK is right - only way to play MG is with promo money - otherwise you do not have a chance)

Now I hope someone proove me wrong here with some data - and not with opinions!

 

[steinhaug]

Quick explernation on the bet: $1000 + 10x$50

$1000 bet that I am right

all casinoes have atleast 100% match for $50, so to make $100 bankroll you need 10 x $50 deposits, a total of $1500 to start with.

Also, you choose dollars since they are the least worth, and yes - you will loose it all in the end since by the time you are able to withdraw any there is nothing left unless you do a KK and lowroll on autoplay. 1 line on $0.01 autospin seems to give above 100% payout in the longrun, however you need quite a few spins to dry it out and the casino would most likely (lol) cut you out for misusing the bonus or something.

Anyway, I still love gambling - I have nothing against the casinos really - it's the software I do not like!

 

[Rusty]

You will find these same patterns in other software Kimss.
The most blatant of bonus cheats are Rival.
Take a large bonus match (200%+) and hit nicely, you are almost certain to double your balance.
If you are doing very well the software over compensates when you get to around halfway through your WR so you will get well below 50% return over several hundred spins.
It is very,very obvious that weighting is being used.

If you ever find a software provider that has truely random slots with no weighting and transparent payout percentages that are never altered please let me know.

You could say the Casinos have a limited choice when it comes to software provider but surely it is a case of the software companies giving the Casinos what they want.
They are both equally to blame in my view.

By the way I won't be taking you up on that bet

 

[oyw7862]

Just sth to mention: Thanks for Kimss,I tried an account I did not play for a long time.
Today, I got sth strange on TS:
In less than 1000 spins I got 5 ice hammers - 6 times the feature just keep hitting, no miss out.
I only deposited 100$ and in less then 1 hour , my balance is 2700$.

I did not cashout neither continue playing, I just leave it there for 1 week, later let me see if I will still get dry spells after big wins.

 

[bernynhel]

In Las Vegas there's the Nevada Gaming Commission which regulates gaming and checks for any devices, rigged roulette wheels, funny dice, whatever - something like the U.S. Department of Weights and Measures checks the accuracy of scales used for commerce as well as gas pumps, etc. I assume there's a similar commission in New Jersey though I wouldn't know about more recent casinos in other states, particularly those operated on Native American Lands, many of whom claim and are granted a certain degree of soverignity.

Even though online casinos operate completely unregulated and that the claims of some of these sites, in attempt to appear "legitimate", have their games "checked" by various independent entities who offer their services, for a fee, to the casinos is laughable, at best, somehow I have still managed to cash out amounts from US$17,000-32,000 on three different occasions over the past three years. The first two were at Playtech sister casinos, Golden Palace Casino and Grand Online casino, respectively, within one week of each other with royal flushes playing jacks or better. The second at Grand Online consisting of two RFs, 15 minutes betting $25 then $125. The last was on Loaded at UK Casino Club before its acquisition by Casino Rewards. The screen shot is here:
https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/winner-screenshots.4193/
The total sum of those wins plus various other, smaller cash outs, is approximately 1/10 of the total amount of funds I have deposited into online casino over the same time period though not necessarily at the casinos where I cashed out.

And I think I'm in it for the money.