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Discussion in 'The Attic' started by felicie, Apr 25, 2010.

    Apr 25, 2010
  1. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    About SNOPES.COM'
    Who watches the watchers?
    For the past few years You must register/login in order to see the link. has positioned itself, or others have labeled it, as the 'tell-all final word' on any comment, claim and email. But for several years people tried to find out who exactly was behind You must register/login in order to see the link..

    Only recently did Wikipedia get to the bottom of it - kinda made you wonder what they were hiding. Well, finally we know. It is run by a husband and wife team - that's right, no big office of investigators and researchers, no team of lawyers. It's just a mom-and pop operation that began as a hobby. David and Barbara Mikkelson in the San Fernando Valley of California started the website about 13 years ago - and they have no formal background or experience in investigative research. After a few years it gained popularity believing it to be unbiased and neutral, but over the past couple of years people started asking questions who was behind it and did they have a selfish motivation?
    The reason for the questions - or skepticisms - is a result of You must register/login in order to see the link. claiming to have the bottom line facts to certain questions or issue when in fact they have been proven wrong. Also, there were criticisms the Mikkelsons were not really investigating and getting to the 'true' bottom of various issues.

    A few months ago, when my State Farm agent Bud Gregg in Mandeville hoisted a political sign referencing Barack Obama and made a big splash across the internet, 'supposedly' the Mikkelsons claim to have researched this issue before posting their findings on You must register/login in order to see the link.. In their statement they claimed the corporate office of State Farm pressured Gregg into taking down the sign, when in fact nothing of the sort 'ever' took place. I personally contacted David Mikkelson (and he replied back to me) thinking he would want to get to the bottom of this and I gave him Bud Gregg's contact phone numbers - and Bud was going to give him phone numbers to the big exec's at State Farm in Illinois who would have been willing to speak with him about it. He never called Bud. In fact, I learned from Bud Gregg no one fromhttp://www.snopes.com/ ever contacted anyone with State Farm. Yet, You must register/login in order to see the link. issued a statement as the 'final factual word' on the issue as if they did all their homework and got to the bottom of things - not!
     
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  2. Apr 25, 2010
  3. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever CAG MM webmeister

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    My first comment is not to give grief to felicie, but to point out something that people do here all too often...and that is to post things without giving the source, making it seem that the content of the post is the poster's own words.

    I received this piece in an email. Google the first few sentences and you get pages and pages of links to right wing, Bircher, birther, and supremacist websites. That in itself doesn't make the piece untrue. However, the piece is a half-assed attempt at best. It has always been common knowledge that Snopes is run by the Mikkelsons. They've been continuously interviewed in print, web, and TV since Snopes' inception. They're both very qualified to do what they do. Both are experts in folklore, and both work the Snopes site full time. David is an Independant and was once a Republican, and Barbara is a Canadian citizen, so can't vote in the US. FactCheck tested Snopes responses to political rumors about Palin and Bush and Obama and found NO BIAS. But I'm sure someone can find a trumped up reason why FactCheck is a commie plot.

    As far as the State Farm stuff...nope, not quite. The piece says that
    In fact, that's NOT what Snopes says...
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    And who is this mythical email writer who called State Farm's offices? What is his/her name? And if he/she is going to outright lie about the Mikkelson's not being out in the open, and lie about what is actually written in the Snopes actual article, why on earth should we believe there was ever a phone call?

    I think I'm safe in predicting that some people are going to point to the original post in this thread and have an "AHA!" moment, despite my post. But, I'll get over it.;)
     
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  4. Apr 25, 2010
  5. jod5413

    jod5413 Is That Better?

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    Aha, Swampy!!

    What can I say? No matter the truth, folks will try to deny it. Even when it is irrevocably proven, they just stick their heads deeper into the sand.

    Damn, this life is quite a ride, eh?
     
  6. Apr 25, 2010
  7. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever CAG MM webmeister

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    WHEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE! (thump)

    I got the stuff in my post from Snopes and Wiki, but after doing slightly more digging, lo and behold FactCheck itself has addressed the whackiness...
    You must register/login in order to see the link.
     
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  8. Apr 25, 2010
  9. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

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    Thanks Swampy....

    For all those who don't like Snopes... that's fine... there are other places to check/verify all the spam/hoaxes/half truth crap that fill our inboxes under the guise of 'information'...

    I used to like urban legends... which has lost it's 'zip' since being taken over by about.com... but there are others... just google, fer craps sakes, before forwarding/sharing and adding to the garbage in my (and everyone's) inbox. :D
     
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  10. Apr 26, 2010
  11. jod5413

    jod5413 Is That Better?

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    Swampy and Mousie, :thumbsup:
     
  12. Apr 26, 2010
  13. kauphy

    kauphy Meister Member

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    thats what i said in one of my post its just them doing what all of us do sufering the internet. and everybody thinks that their word is gold hahaha.
     
  14. Apr 27, 2010
  15. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever CAG MM webmeister

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    Kauphy, are you a really just a brilliant satirist, or........

    Oh, never mind. I sincerely wish you a happy and peaceful life.:)
     
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  16. Apr 27, 2010
  17. felicie

    felicie Ueber Meister PABnononaccred

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    Why go all the way to snopes when we can just come here for the answers to everything. :notworthy
     
  18. Apr 27, 2010
  19. BingoT

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    And also you can ask the king himself of Snopes GM (GrandMaster) for an answer.
    He is very good in his findings.

    The Grand Snopes :thumbsup:
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