Serious flaws found in GAMSTOP

SteveBr

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I know gamblers are good at ‘hiding things’ but come on surely something happened prior to being sent to prison. As far as I am aware the police don’t just turn up one day and say your going to down for 2 years. If he had stolen from the company he worked for there would surely have been a court case. It must have made the local news, newspapers etc.
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mack341

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The thing is where a casino has a high depositer, losing a fair sum of money, from a business point of view they're overjoyed so may not want to carry out the necessary checks unless he suddenly wins big.

I don't know how it happened, probably spunking back some big wins, but ladbrokes emailed me once to say I was now a VIP :eek2: :laugh:

Anyway it was plague upon my house, every time I logged in to do a bit of bobby smallrolling, just in the middle of playing, up would pop the live chat box unrequested with an agent pestering me. 'how are doing today Mr ..., can I interest you in today's offer' as if I was some sort of oil sheik with unlimited funds. It was every time I logged in :mad: so it sometimes takes two to tango.

After a month of my polite declines to spend more dough they emailed me again to say they were revoking my VIP status :oops: I was a bit narked at first, thinking VIP status once awarded should have lifetime implications but soon felt relieved not to be pestered anymore by the live chat VIP agents while doing 20p spins on giant's gold :laugh:
 

trancemonkey

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Bbc are claiming a

bbc are claiming a reporter from salford visited about 30 bookmakers in hull and only half of the staff recognised him and threw him out others offered him a cup of tea and one a loyalty card with £30 free bets. So the bbc claiming staff should be able to recognise any face of a gamstop user if they have travelled over from Salford to Hull.
Gamstop is for online casinos. Not land-based.
 

steveh35

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Gamstop is for online casinos. Not land-based.
Bookies use Moses not gamstop

BBC Radio 5 live Investigates also found that the self-exclusion scheme for High Street bookmakers is seriously flawed.

Last year,
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from 21 betting shops in Grimsby, Lincolnshire, using the Multi-Operator Self Exclusion Scheme (MOSES).

However, he was still able to bet in 19 of them.

The operators of the scheme, the Senet Group, said lessons would be learned.

Twelve months later, a different BBC producer banned himself from 20 of the same shops in the town and was allowed to place bets in 15 of them.

'Disappointing'
The Association of British Bookmakers (ABB) said it was "disappointed" with the findings.

However, the trade association added that it was encouraged by the results of a survey of genuine participants of the scheme.

The ABB said an
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found that "83% said that it had been effective in reducing or stopping their gambling activity and 71% said they have not attempted to use their nominated betting shops since signing up".



Media captionSarah Grant, from Cardiff, talks about her battle with addiction
The Senet Group, which uses funding from bookmakers to run the scheme, said "the results of this investigation are disappointing" but insisted MOSES is an "important first step for people who genuinely want to reduce their gambling".

However, shadow culture secretary Tom Watson said the investigation demonstrated the two schemes "aren't fit for purpose".

He promised to take the BBC's findings to the government.

Labour MP Carolyn Harris, who chairs a cross-party group of MPs on gambling-related harm added: "Any system which is easily manipulated like this is not worth it - they have to be robust enough to withstand deliberate attempts to get around them."

You can hear more on 5 live Investigates at 11:00 GMT on Sunday 13 January on BBC Radio 5 Live and BBC Sounds.
 

snorky510238

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As far as I am aware (unless things have changed) bookies only have a photograph of the Se as a means of detecting them. Bearing in mind the high turnover of staff in betting shops and shift patterns along with the fact a lot of them are relatively young and not that interested anyway as they use it as a stop gap and have no intention of making a career out of it. It’s no surprise the system doesn’t work. It’s hypocrisy at its best anyway as staff are supposed to have a quiet word with anyone they think may have a problem. From what I have seen it’s the opposite. High rollers are welcomed with a smile, offered a drink the minute they walk through the door when us lesser mortals haven’t even been acknowledged. Some staff in the industry may care but a lot of them carry out bad practice. A high roller friend of mine who lost thousands every year self excluded. He recently received a phone call from the manager asking for a price on some home improvements. Oh and by the way “your self exclusion has finished if you would like to come back in”. Bookies are desperate for trade right now as they know the reduction in stakes on the FOBTS almost certainly spells the start of the end for a lot of shops.
 

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It's really simple; every signup, direct verification FIRST instead of easy registration and start gambling away.

Landbased offer this (Holland) and more and more casino's are following those paths (18 years or older ID check).

But obviously they dont do it because there's a nice revenue coming from the people who self-excluded them, got banned or their account shutdown. Simular as Canada and America. The ones who self-excluded could still go in, play, but once a handpay is won the payout wont happen and the casino takes the money back.
 

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