Schankwart Vs. Cirrus Casino

[schankwart]

...This is IT!
I first was told to "inform people in the forums that this issue has been resolved".
I then responded to Jinnia and asked her to please let me know how to explain this to the publicity.
By the time I heard back from Jinnia, Christine's "deadline" to make my public statement already passed by. Christine however decided to "extend her offer" for another period of a several hours, which was when I decided to post that this issue has come to the "50% solution" after all.

However... Christine was not happy with this. She expected me to tell everyone that I did not tell the truth and that pretty much all details I had given about this issue before were wrong. She did not pay me.

-Now is this what one calls "negotiation"?
She wanted me to take all blame on myself so I can receive my winnings. -What is that???

Of course I did NOT accept the pre-written public statement that Christine sent to me so I can post it under my name!
Jinnia, did you really think I would prostitute myself just so I can get paid my money?

[17] You finally posted in your own words and made it out as if Cirrus was in complete wrong doing, and no blame on you at all

No, I did not. I even corrected the wording in my statement just a few minutes after I posted it. I said that due to the difficulty of this whole story, I would accept her offer now

[18] Christine read this, she was speechless as I was, she said negotiations was over due to you not being willing to negotiate, and refusal to hold up to your end of any agreement. Christine then left on vacation.

Of course she did not pay me!
The only person who was trying to negotiate was me. Christine expected me to make a public fool of myself so I can get paid. Wow, what a serious outfit...!



Anyways Jinnia, something through this whole affair made you change your attitude about me (being owed the amount in full).
I was willing to give Cirrus a very good chance to end this, but they failed. I gave in on my part but they still did not honor their payment.

Jinnia as well as Lanidar offered me their help by themselves. I was VERY thankful for their support but now had to realize that I made a big mistake to involve someone into this so deeply without knowing about their true intentions.



"An unbelievable amount of time and effort has been put in to this by numerous people - all because of one guy's greed. As far as I'm concerned, this is over - it's like beating a dead horse with a D-handle. (old paratrooper term)."

Bryan... I told you before that I do not understand your attitude here at all.
I will stay on this issue until it has been resolved fairly, NO matter how long it is going to take anymore.

 

[Casinomeister]

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Bryan... I told you before that I do not understand your attitude here at all.
I will stay on this issue until it has been resolved fairly, NO matter how long it is going to take anymore.

My attitude? Take it here bub,
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Good luck!

 

[slotchik]

...This is IT!
I first was told to "inform people in the forums that this issue has been resolved".
I then responded to Jinnia and asked her to please let me know how to explain this to the publicity.
By the time I heard back from Jinnia, Christine's "deadline" to make my public statement already passed by. Christine however decided to "extend her offer" for another period of a several hours, which was when I decided to post that this issue has come to the "50% solution" after all.

However... Christine was not happy with this. She expected me to tell everyone that I did not tell the truth and that pretty much all details I had given about this issue before were wrong. She did not pay me.

-Now is this what one calls "negotiation"?
She wanted me to take all blame on myself so I can receive my winnings. -What is that???

Of course I did NOT accept the pre-written public statement that Christine sent to me so I can post it under my name!
Jinnia, did you really think I would prostitute myself just so I can get paid my money?

[17] You finally posted in your own words and made it out as if Cirrus was in complete wrong doing, and no blame on you at all

No, I did not. I even corrected the wording in my statement just a few minutes after I posted it. I said that due to the difficulty of this whole story, I would accept her offer now

[18] Christine read this, she was speechless as I was, she said negotiations was over due to you not being willing to negotiate, and refusal to hold up to your end of any agreement. Christine then left on vacation.

Of course she did not pay me!
The only person who was trying to negotiate was me. Christine expected me to make a public fool of myself so I can get paid. Wow, what a serious outfit...!



Anyways Jinnia, something through this whole affair made you change your attitude about me (being owed the amount in full).
I was willing to give Cirrus a very good chance to end this, but they failed. I gave in on my part but they still did not honor their payment.

Jinnia as well as Lanidar offered me their help by themselves. I was VERY thankful for their support but now had to realize that I made a big mistake to involve someone into this so deeply without knowing about their true intentions.



"An unbelievable amount of time and effort has been put in to this by numerous people - all because of one guy's greed. As far as I'm concerned, this is over - it's like beating a dead horse with a D-handle. (old paratrooper term)."

Bryan... I told you before that I do not understand your attitude here at all.
I will stay on this issue until it has been resolved fairly, NO matter how long it is going to take anymore.

So what?? You admit that you were wrong>>>>>geeez, get your money, admit it and move on. It'll all be history in a few days..and everyone will be happy...

Jinnia worked her A** off for you.........you should of just did what you were told..
If you dont want the money, and just knowing you were right...then you're not going to get the money and guess what people STILL won't believe you're right!

 

[schankwart]

I will see how things go, Bryan.
By "attitude" I think I rather meant "opinion"... But anyway... this issue will be brought to an end eventually.

 

[schankwart]

The disappointment about Jinnia and Lanidar is what shocks me so much now!

Even though I had not known her pretty much at all before this Cirrus-nightmare started, I believed that she was a legit person. She seemed to work hard on finding a solution but after all the result of her "negotiation" was totally inacceptable for me.
I had informed Lanidar as well as Jinnia about every single detail of my claim so they knew what went on from the very beginning. Now she has changed her opinion all of a sudden due to unknown reasons and bashes me to be a liar without giving an explanation.


I have not mentioned my accusations anymore to find the solution, played by Cirrus' rules as far as I could, but Cirrus then demanded something that was absolutely off!

Oh my..../

 

[unicorn40]

Some INTERESTING info about Schankwart:

In case some of the people who are reading this LONG thread are still undecided about how 'credible' Schankwart's side of this fiasco is, and the ones who might think Jinnia 'sold out', here is a PARTIAL list of the casinos Schankwart has previously posted 'problems' with... (links to verify this included)

A quick search revealed ELEVEN. I'm sure there are even more.

In my opinion, Schankwart has NO CREDIBILITY. He has 'problems' at just about EVERY casino he plays at. He is like 'The boy who cried wolf'...

Based on what I've seen, Schankwart should hire a 'FULL TIME PROFESSIONAL MEDIATOR'.

[1] Vegas Frontier -

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and here:
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[2] Lucky Pyramid - Same One As Above

[3] Capt. Cooks - Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

[4] Cirrus - ALL OVER EVERY BOARD

[5] Miss Millions -

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[6] Ace-Games - Link Removed ( Old/Invalid)

and here -

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[7] Phoenician -

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[8] Virtual Casino - Link Removed (Old/Invalid)

and here:

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(of course, he's right, never received any emails)

[9] Royal Dice -

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[10] Destination Poker -

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[11] King Solomon -

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And this is only at WOL, and a few EZ boards. There are obviously other boards where Schankwart has posted complaints.

 

[mary]

...or he's the Realtime Gaming dream player, who keeps coming back even after having so many bad experiences.

Miss Millions went out of business.

 

[dickens1298]

It's interesting to note the change in tone in Lanidar and Jinnia. If you read the earliest posts of this thread, plus the ones they had posted in their Insomniacs Lounge, the tone was decidedly anti-Cirrus. Now suddenly they seemed to have developed schizophrenia...especially interesting to note are the complimentary remarks directed to Christine.

Yes, I realize that they may have changed their tune because of new information that came to light. But how ironic how quickly vitriol can turn to honey....

 

[schankwart]

Now... Unicorn... Where are you coming from?

-So I have no credibility in your "opinion" just because I have posted negative experiences about Casinos in the forums?
Wow girl, you are quite funny... Please tell me what it is that drives you so desperate now!
Those who are going to click and read the threads she provided will see that each of them are legit and not biased in any way, and that in most of these threads I was even proven to be correct.
-Whatever, Unicorn... :/


Mary, yes... I got to be honest to admit that I love playing RTG Casinos even though I am aware of being on a blacklist that a few of their questionable outfits share. (Some of them went out of business lately though and this trend fortunately keeps to continue...).

However, I truly do not think that I need to rectify my legitimacy here just because of a stranger's post.
I have been across the forums for many years now and those who followed my posts know that I am just a fair player that informs other players about his good and bad experiences with Online-Casinos.
-And those who havent known me yet will just need to continue reading my posts to learn that I am.


Dickens has realized what is going on percisely. However, I am not going to struggle with these people from the past anymore but rather focus on my actual task to finish off with Cirrus Casino.
This issue doubtlessly has brought up some insane and fantastic stories already that partly upset me to a certain degree. Due to the circumstances I have become even more ambitioned to clear this up than ever before, and I will work on this until Cirrus has gone out of business or has shown willingness to solve this once and for all!

 

[caruso]

This "maltreated player conspired against by all the forces of evil" act is wearing thin. Poor little Shank, innocent pawn in the game of The Evil Christine was unconvincing but had credibility for some based on the fact that Cirrus have clearly misbehaved in the past. Poor little Shank, innocent pawn in the game of Evil Lanidar, player with at least two years' street cred now, is beyond the credibility of the most gullible poster on this board.

Anyway, let the thread run. This is one grave to whose digging I'll be happy to watch from the gallery.

On the matter of those other threads: it's true that they canNOT be used as evidence of misconduct on the part of this player, since these were all ostensibly "genuine" claims and the player did nothing wrong on the face of it- there is no reverse correlation between number of disputes and their legitimacy. On the other hand, that a player who, somewhere down the line, is revealed to be a liar and a cheat loses all right to sympathy in subsequent disputes is another matter. If a player who cheats has a dispute as a result of NOT cheating, that player has no recourse to mediation in my opinion. Cheating players, like cheating casinos, belong in the wilderness and have to fend for themselves. Take a hard line against the cheating players and you can't be accused of prejudice when you take a hard line against cheating casinos.

 

[unicorn40]

Ok Schankwart...

Now... Unicorn... Where are you coming from?
-So I have no credibility in your "opinion" just because I have posted negative experiences about Casinos in the forums?....

No. Not because you posted about all your 'negative experiences', but because after reviewing things, and finding out more about you, I have come to the opinion that you are a manipulating scammer, an opinion I think is shared by many.

Those who are going to click and read the threads she provided will see that each of them are legit and not biased in any way, and that in most of these threads I was even proven to be correct.

No. I think anyone intelligent will see a 'pattern' that you seem to have, where you manipulate things to your benefit. You seem to feel that trying to get the public on your side adds credibility to all the problems you continually have.

That is a manipulating tactic, IMO. Just because you 'say' you were ripped off, cheated, and taken advantage of by all these casinos, doesn't mean it's 'fact'.

I may have sided with you at first, but at this point in time, I no longer do.

That is MY OPINION. And I'm entitled to have that.

 

[schankwart]

Aww Unicorn... All posts you dug up are well explained by me and contain all the information needed.

 

[Simmo!]

As interesting as this thread is - correction - was, i think it's time it was put to rest. The posts, IMHO, are beyond the point where anyone can any longer come out with any credit from the thread and in the meantime, it's become less of the original "business" issue as a number of personal crusades, none of which is helping anyone, least of all the industry.

I'd personally suggest it would be best to let Shankwart continue his communications with Cirrus if he still feels hard done by and use Montana, or whoever, if he feels the need to.

The original issue seems very much a distant memory.

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[unicorn40]

Schankwarts analogy

Aww Unicorn... All posts you dug up are well explained by me and contain all the information needed.

Right... and some people still believe the earth is flat.

 

[schankwart]

You are correct, Simmo.
A few unqualified posts have taken this issue into the wrong direction but I will focus on getting more facts about Cirrus-and-this now again.

I do not mind people to have different opinions than I do as long as they are based on something better than nonsense.


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Additionally... And I was very hesitant to post this... I would like to inform people at this point about another thing that Lanidar nor Jinnia dared to tell yet.

When these two people were still on my side a couple weeks ago, Lanidar told me that Cirrus has made him the offer to put US$1500 striaght in his Neteller-account if he stops mediating and investigating this issue for me.

Lanidar told me about this as he refused the offer back then, but we decided not to bring this to publicity at that point.

Just a few days ago (from today) Lanidar then told me that he has found the proof to show that Cirrus were liars.

After that I have not heard back from him anymore but...

...Found his posts across the forums in that he and Jinnia attacked me all of a sudden.




Cirrus obviously was scared of something to be revealed. Now we just need to bring to the table what it was so that everyone can see how Cirrus is dealing their cards.../

 

[dickens1298]

I strongly encourage everyone to read the beginning of this thread, and also those threads at the Insomniacs Lounge. Jinnia and Lanidar's tone was almost strident in their vituperatives AGAINST Cirrus, with both concluding that Schank was in the right, that the casino had cheated him, and that this was part of a long-standing pattern of unethical behavior from the casino. Both went so far as to say that they WILL prevail, so convinced they were of their righteousness.

How quickly things change.

While I realize that they may have uncovered certain facts which changed their opinion of the situation, don't such posters have an inherent responsibility? Shouldn't they be gathering all relevant facts BEFORE all the chest-thumping?

Candidly - and this is coming from a poster who believes that Schank is in the wrong - I would be rather confused if I were Schank as well. The tone of Lanidar's and Jinnia's earlier posts were decidedly anti-Cirrus and unequivocally indignant, then suddenly rather "pro-"Cirrus in their comments regarding Christine and her offer (I recollect Jinnia posturing that Schank was completely in the right, and that he should receive ALL his money, and that she will not rest until that is accomplished - I guess she "rested" earlier than she expected).

Reread their posts - then and now. Draw your own conclusions.

 

[schankwart]

Please also dont forget about that Lanidar & Jinnia knew ALL facts from when they started "working" on this matter.

As I just mentioned though I will try to not care about them anymore but rather try to unreveal more about how Cirrus treated me. This joint is COMPLETELY BAD and will not survive for too much longer if they dont manage to change their acting.

 

[jinnia]

You damn right I believed Schank when this thread first started, then Bryan posted the chat logs, I still believed for couple more days that it was Cirrus's fault for allowing it to go throw. But in ALL fairness, I also then had to look at the other side. Schank WAS told no bonus over 30%, and at that time, before being allowed to try and help with this issue, I decided BOTH were 50/50 to blame.

And I still do believe equal blame!!

None of you know exactly what was said in the emails from Schank to me while I was working on trying to get the 30% up to at least 50%, of which I done. YOU try helping this player and you'll see exactly what he is all about!!

Christine said she was only agreeing to pay the 30% only because of Bryan and Lanidar. I went back at her on that, even posted at Insom about it, she explained what she meant was from what those two have gone through trying to help this player, she'd pay the 30% just to put this to a end.

And on this paying lanidar. I have no idea how it was told to Schank, but Christines exact words to me were, "I would RATHER pay Bryan (casinomeister) or John (lanidar) than someone who lies".

What changed my mind on trying to get 100% payment? I never went in to try for that, 50% was it, and that was even stated in my posts before being allowed to help, try to help.

Why did I quit? When this player agreed to a settlement, and never followed through, didn't post as asked to, So I was told, that is it, no more trying to negotiate, it's over'!!

Why is Schank saying he received a pre-wrote post for him to submit as his own? He DIDN'T, he was told to make a simple post about making a mistake about the 30% bonus and Cirrus was right, but HE demanded to be sent something, telling me he couldn't post just anything. So I made contact with Cirrus, they sent something, NOT for him to post it, but as a guide line, but then he didn't even try to edit it and see if it was ok, he discarded the ENTIRE thing and posted what he wanted.

Why did he demand this be sent using the excuse he wouldn't post without being told what to?? Game play, just in case something went wrong, he could then tell people as he is now doing, they sent him a pre-written post for him to place as his own.

He plans, he twists every word said in a manipulative manner to get people to side with him. Low and behold, he's captured a couple.

I can prove everything he is saying to be false, by the emails I have between him and I, and they'll also show the game he has in play.

Jetset, would you look them over if I forwarded his and mine to you??

So I'll thump my chest any damn time I want, but when I finally see what made me thump it to not be true, I quit thumping!!

 

[dickens1298]

Anyone has the right to thump their chest, and anyone has the right to change their mind.

But I think it looks pretty foolish for someone to be yelling and screaming for justice, proclaiming loudly to everyone that justice will be served, then do a quick turnaround when other facts come to light. Wouldn't it have been more productive to WAIT and ensure that you have all the facts? Especially BEFORE you start bashing a casino which you later begin to compliment?

It just seems that some posters were quite quick to lynch the casino. Good thing the store was out of rope...

 

[dominique]

I decided BOTH were 50/50 to blame.

And I still do believe equal blame!!

I agree with this too. They should not have sent him that mail, it is at best confusing.

I still think I am missing what went on between mediators and Schank - emotions are flying too high here. There must be some personal dynamics involved, too.

I can tell you from experience though that posting about it on all the boards will not do anyone any good.

Just let it go, guys! Mediations do fail, there is no shame in that. You tried, it didn't pan out. It's time to move on.

And Schank - you need to let go of this attempt also - it failed. If you want to go on with your case you need to look for another mediator - or speak with Christine yourself.

Having watched the mediation between Cirrus and Caruso though - I doubt there is any way you will get paid without a conciliary post from you.

 

[schankwart]

Dickens... Just try to let Jinnia be as any discussion about her will bring us nowhere in this issue. All that counts is what Cirrus did and not her.

I absolutely agree with you, Dominique. I am trying to get the past "attempt of mediation" out of the way as well and I am asking Jinnia once again now to please just let this go, as it will not bring her nor me any further.
I am purposedly not responding to her latest post at this point.

 

[jetset]

QUOTE It just seems that some posters were quite quick to lynch the casino. Good thing the store was out of rope... UNQUOTE

This is a not infrequent occurrence here (and elsewhere) but I have to say that in the case of Cirrus this casino hardly has the sort of past reputation that inspires confidence in their reliability and honesty, and so Christine & Co perhaps pay the price for that in this sort of dual culpability scenario.

Whilst I agree with much of Caruso's earlier post on this past reputation stuff, I do think redemption in some cases is possible....and speaking personally my opinion is influenced by the extraordinary record of disputes accrued by Schankie in his recent playing career, often at known *dodgy* casinos.

I'll not get involved in this bugger's muddle, thanks - it has gone far enough.

 

[Casinomeister]

As interesting as this thread is - correction - was, i think it's time it was put to rest. The posts, IMHO, are beyond the point where anyone can any longer come out with any credit from the thread and in the meantime, it's become less of the original "business" issue as a number of personal crusades, none of which is helping anyone, least of all the industry.

I'd personally suggest it would be best to let Shankwart continue his communications with Cirrus if he still feels hard done by and use Montana, or whoever, if he feels the need to.

The original issue seems very much a distant memory.

Cheers

Simmo!

My exact sentiments. Please take this to Montana before I'm tempted to lock this thread.

Die thread die!

 

[schankwart]

My exact sentiments. Please take this to Montana before I'm tempted to lock this thread.

Die thread die!

I will take the proper steps to proceed with this issue now so no worries, this issue will automatically go where it belongs.
As I said my ambitions have become as massive as never before to bring a legit ending to this!

 

[Simmo!]

Die thread die!

Or translated into English: "The Thread, The", courtesy Sideshow Bob.