Schankwart Vs. Cirrus Casino

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Schankwart-

You have been insisting along the way, I have told nothing but the truth in this whole thread and the facts are pretty clear. Unfortunately though I have not been able to collect the piece of proof.

Right now, you say, I have understood my part of this very well now and regret the mistakes that I made.

Are you admitting that the oral & written notification was genuine?

If not, what part of mistakes you have now understood you have made?

This issue has a long standing impact on the bonus system. And to be fair to the casino and to all who participated in this thread, please clarify.
 
Publicity can be a double-edged sword when used regularly as a tool to extort. Schankie may find his activities somewhat curtailed following this long-running and very high profile issue.
 
All I will say on this matter, until next week is..

Nothing has been completely settled!

Christine is now on vacation, and won't return until Tuesday.

So until then, this thread is off limits to lanidar and myself!!
 
Jinnia is right.

I need to wait until Cirrus-Christine is back next week before making any more public posts as I need to get in touch with her first.

You all will get the answers on your questions and concerns though, no worries!
 
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HKGambler said:
...If not, what part of mistakes you have now understood you have made?

This issue has a long standing impact on the bonus system. And to be fair to the casino and to all who participated in this thread, please clarify.
Excellent point - and this needs to be addressed as soon as possible.
 
schankwart said:
Jinnia is right.

I need to wait until Cirrus-Christine is back next week before making any more public posts as I need to get in touch with her first.

You all will get the answers on your questions and concerns though, no worries!
Drum roll please.......................
 
...I am waiting to hear back from her myself still. I think its just noon where she is so I hope she will get back to me or my mediator today still.
 
It was not made clear if Christine is only returning from vacation today, at home, or at work, I'll phone her around 6pm (central time, since that's the time they are on) and see if she's at work, and if so, will see what she has to say!!
 
>>Lanidar

I don't know where or how to begin.
I'm 61 years old, for many years I've owned my own business's. I was the person who hired and fired employees. I thought myself to be a very good judge of character.
Apparently, I've lost that trait.
In the IM's and the emails that Schankwart and I shared he was less than truthful. I believed him when he promised me that he was not lying and was completely truthful.
I decided to drop out of this when I was told, by Christine ( Cirrus Casino Manager ), that $1560 was the maximum Schankwart was going to get. I told him that we were at a dead end and I thought that he should negotiate with a counter offer. He wanted the $5200.00, no less. I explained to Christine that Schankwart refused to negotiate and wanted the full sum of money. I also explained to Christine that I thought he was being unreasonable and stubborn and I will not be involved any longer. I was truly pissed that he would not even give them an offer. Christine, at all times was kind, considerate and very professional. She thanked me for the effort and we left with a good feeling of one another on a personal note.

I regret EVER getting involved in this. I'm embarrassed and ashamed that I was duped and sucked into this young mans lies. My apologies to you all for my mistake.

Just about here is where Jinnia attempted to help the two parties settle their dispute. I will leave the rest of this thread for Jinnia to finish for she knows better than I what took place.


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>>Jinnia

I saw Lanidar backing off from helping Schankwart, and I honestly felt he was owed the money, so I took over his complaint and made contact with Christine and Schankwart through email, PM's and phone.

As the issue progressed Christine accepted to pay Schankwart 50% of the 'winnings' which would is $2100.00.

Schank said he'd agree to $2600.00.
He was told it would be $2100.00 or nothing.

A little more time passed and --

A settlement was FINALLY agreed upon.

Schankwart was given a specific time to perform his part of the agreement.
Schankwart did not fulfill his end within the time frame given.
He was given more time by Christine, and he still failed.
Schankwart posts and leaves it as Cirrus is in complete wrong doing.
That post ended any and all negotiations from Christine/Cirrus.

Schankwart's stubbornness, his refusal to even think he was in the wrong to any degree, or even believing in the possibility he could have made a mistake, kept this dragging on.

And his inability to follow through with his end of the agreement, has now stopped all negotiations.

In my honest opinion, Schankwart had no intentions of keeping to any agreement made, and he played too many games.


From this point forward there will be no further statements of any kind or answers to any questions regarding this issue from either Jinnia or myself, Lanidar.
 
casinomeister said:
Thanks for the hat, but you can keep it. When it starts to rain shit from the sky, you'll need it.
Casinomeister is also a prophet :D
 
Never a truer word!

Mediation can be difficult - especially when the party you are representing doesn't play a fair game.

Judging from what I have seen here, *Schankwart* was fortunate to be given the opportunity of a fifty percent settlement.

And the word will have spread regarding this thread and the one at WOL and elsewhere started by this guy - as I said earlier, publicity can be a double edged sword if not used carefully.
 
Oh God... Please give me a chance to make a statement on this at least! This is absolutely blowing me off now and I am very shocked to read this!

I will comment on it in a bit as I have zero time right now.
 
Okay...

I am absolutely shocked to read this statement and will try to clear all this whole confusion now!
I have not talked to Lanidar in a several days and now he suddenly jumps on me and is accusing me to be a liar. I have NO clue what he is referring to so please explain this to me, Lanidar!
During this whole thing Lanidar stood on my side but has now apparently changed his opinion all of a sudden.
When Christine offered me her 30% this offer was totally unacceptable for me. I talked to Lanidar about this and he was absolutely cool with that and did not offend me in ANY way for this decision. As a matter of fact he even said that he understands my decision but that I should consider it because it would be "better than to get nothing".

-So why am I "stubborn" now after all...??? What have I "lied" about to you (or anyone else)???

I am sure that something went on in the background here!
Lanidar... Remember what you still told me a several days ago...?? :eek2:


After Lanidar told me that there was nothing he could do anymore I asked him to "lay back" now as he as a matter of fact seriously helped me a lot and with lots of effort! He then "peacefully" stepped out of this issue and everything between him and me was absolutely in order and fine.


A couple days later Jinnia (his partner) stepped up the plate and offered her help.
I experienced her to be a very kind person and as far as I can tell she indeed tried very hard to negotiate a solution between me and Cirrus.

Another few days later Christine apparently then came up with her offer to pay me 50% of my winnings. The "part of my agreement" was to make a public post in all existing threads that this has been settled. I then asked Jinnia (as my mediator) again to please ask Cirrus-Christine what kind of post she is expecting as I was aware of all the questions that would then come up.

After all I decided to ACCEPT her offer for a payment of 50% as I realized after all that my possibilities were limited in this scenario.

I was waiting to hear back from Christine then since I did not want to make any post before I got her clarification of the offer. Unfortunately she then did not respond to me (or better Jinnia) again for a while and so Christine's own "deadline" passed by.
A day later I heard back from Christine that she is "extending her offer for another period" and told me what she was expecting to read in this "public post".
-This is the point now where I made my announcement of this issue to "be settled upon agreement" a few days ago.

I fulfilled every single part of the agreement, never "lied" nor was being "stubborn" at all. Unfortunately though Lanidar does not seem to be willing to explain what has changed his attitude so rapidly.

I put on my public announcement that this was "settled" now and did not blame anyone for anything anymore. I simply wanted to close this issue and get at least 50% of my winnings so this pain would be over.
Apparently though, there seemed to be things going on behind my back that I was not aware of.
Lanidar's post here has TOTALLY surprised me this morning as everything between him and me was ABSOLUTELY fine last time we talked. Now he makes it sound as if it was not... :confused:
Points are being turned around for no reason???


Anyway... I will keep this issue updated until it has come to an end.


Unfortunately "virtual friendships" do not always turn out to be what you expect.


I will check back here again later tonight.
 
What a bummer - I guess these things can happen when disputes are "hashed out" in public.
 
The "concilliatory post" business is most likely true - it was also part of the final hashing-out of the dispute I had with them that Cindy handled last year.

My opinion remains that the player isn't owed anything based on the receipt of ineligibility for 30%+ bonus notification he received before playing, but I'm curious about what lies are being alluded to by his battle-weary mediator.
 
Step by step - I'll TRY to keep it short and on track::

[1] Cirrus offered you 30% ($1560)
[2] You refused it
[3] Lanidar grew tired of your refusal to negotiate, so stepped down
[4] I believed you were entitled to half, since you and Cirrus both were to blame
[5] I spoke with Christine and got it to half of the winnings ($2100 = 50% of winnings)
[6] On grounds you make a post and say something along the line of, 'you made a mistake and Cirrus was right" and you was given 12 hours to do this
[7] You agreed, saying to tell them to send you the funds
[8] They said not until you posted
[9] You did not post, you said you wouldn't post until you knew what they wanted you say
[10] I contacted Christine , and she sent something, not for you to post exact wording, but along the lines to what they would like
[11] I sent it to you
[12] You replied asking me if I wrote that or Christine, I told you it was sent to me, in that same email you then asked me if Christine had got back to me at all and what was her offer -- wtf -- That was already agreed upon by you, $2100 and you make a post, they would then send the $2100 to your NeTeller.
[13] You then refused to post what was sent you or anything similar and said you would post your own words, saying you wouldn't sell your 'opinion or attitude' for any amount of money
[14] Your 12 hours to post was way past due, but you still put it off.
[15] Christine gave you more time, 6pm the evening.
[16] You STILL didn't post by that time.
[17] You finally posted in your own words and made it out as if Cirrus was in complete wrong doing, and no blame on you at all
[18] Christine read this, she was speechless as I was, she said negotiations was over due to you not being willing to negotiate, and refusal to hold up to your end of any agreement. Christine then left on vacation.
[19] I didn't tell you she said it was over, for I continued sending her emails about it so she would have them when she returned from vacation, in hopes she might try again
[20] You then posted saying 'jinnia is sorta right' and said YOU were confused -- and again - wtf ??!!

That did it for me, for you continue to play word/mind games with everybody. I sent you an email saying --

I wasn't sure if you were playing games or not, but not to do so with me.

I listed how the events went, not as complete as I just done here, but did list most

I then told you in that same email that everything said back and forth are in the emails, so I don't see where you would be confused, I asked if you'd mind telling me?

I then told you where my confusement came from, it's your inability to go through with what is agreed upon. And performing this, 'I'm confused' act to only delay the time given for you to get this done.

It was not said for you to wait, that Cirrus would tell you what to post, you were told to make a post saying you had made a mistake and Cirrus was right.. etc......short and simple.

You could have wrote something, had it submitted to Cirrus to see if they approved it before you posted, but No, you had to 'cowboy' it, take matters into your own hands and take yet another chance.

Negotiating is when 2 or more people come TOGETHER and discuss, exchange ideas, in this case offers, they are willing to make with the other(s), NOT to do things as one see's fitting for their own cause.

and I told you not to post no more about this issue until I talked with Christine when she returned, or else, I would quit!!

I told you I will not play games, nor will I lie!!

[21] You edited your post concerning Christine, but it was too late, everyone had already read it. Including her

[22] you then edited the post about 'jinnia is sorta right' after I emailed you. And decided at that time I was out of it, I had enough. But I continue sending emails to Christine so she'd have them when she returned from vacation

Christine returned yesterday from vacation, read my emails and she responded saying it was over, no more trying to negotiate with you.

So there it is. Schank refused to negotiate, demanded entire $5200.. FINALLY agreed to $2100 and make a post within 12 hours, he didn't follow through wanting Cirrus to tell him what to post.. if this is true, why in hell did you not then accept what was sent

You don't have one thing to back up what you claim, Cirrus has chat logs showing you were told nothing over 30% bonus could you use. But you took a chance at a generic (marketing) email sent to all players and submitted one for 100% bonus, Cirrus allowed it to go through. So right there says you BOTH are in the wrong, you received you deposit back, they remove the $1000 bonus, balance which was the winnings was $4200, 50% of that is $2100.

Why would you not go through with the 'agreement'!!

I'm sorry Schank, but people becomes tired of being a pawn for you and trying to help, when you absolutely refuse to work at a negotiations!!

There it is, and I'll not post no more about this, but I be damned if I was going to sit back and let Schank continue with his 'I'm confused' game, when he knows damn well where the problem lays for this not getting settled!!!
 
and to think she did this ( Jinnia ) without any compensation promised to her...on her own free will~~~


Shame on you.
 
Looks like you blew it, dude!

slotchik said:
and to think she did this ( Jinnia ) without any compensation promised to her...on her own free will~~~


Shame on you.
Jinnia should set up a wish list :D
 
Jinnia...

I will add the essential facts that you forgot to mention, so people know what really went on!



Edit: Dang... Its really late over here now. I will have to clarify this tomorrow.
 
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A heads up for Schankwart:

Schankwart, the most prudent thing for you to do now, is to stop arguing your side of this, and keep quiet.

You had an opportunity to get a fair sum of money, but you chose to not accept what was asked of you, even after being told by the person you had helping you, (Jinnia) that this was conditional on the settlement, and her advice to you was to ACCEPT THIS.

You could have gotten a settlement, put an end to this, and moved on.

You chose NOT to. Case Closed. You have lost all credibility with most people that have followed this thread. Cirrus made you a FAIR OFFER. YOU made the decision NOT to abide with a reasonable request.

Move on... you're done. Put a fork in it. :rolleyes:
 
Unicorn... You have NO idea as Jinnia is not explaining/mentioning the parts of the agreement that I COULD NOT accept!
Additionally... Something here has become VERY fishy......



I will explain tomorrow! Need to rest now.
 
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schankwart said:
Unicorn... You have NO idea as Jinnia is not explaining/mentioning the parts of the agreement that I COULD NOT accept!
Additionally... Something here has become VERY fishy......



I will explain tomorrow! Need to rest now.
There's a player advocate that calls hissef Bethug.....perhaps he can help you now? :thumbsup:
 
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