New Slot Announcement San Quentin xWays by NoLimitCity 150,000x potential!

[CertaCas]

Another question: it seems to be impossible to land scatters on reel 1,3,5 for a 3 scatter trigger, all other combinations are very common. How is this coded? There aren't any reels at all I guess, just conditional outcomes?

 

[Cheatingg]

Another question: it seems to be impossible to land scatters on reel 1,3,5 for a 3 scatter trigger, all other combinations are very common. How is this coded? There aren't any reels at all I guess, just conditional outcomes?

Not very often but seen few times.. ~20spin before got my first 4 scatter(200x)

 

[TamingTheBeast]

This game has been good to me so far.

I got the extra scatter in a 3 scatter trigger 3 times now.

And two 500x wins.

Still hate the 2000x bonus buy.

 

[Hydr0]

Someone got close to the max win then... (not me, sadly )

Took a look...

The multiplier achieved in this near max win was x8 x16 x8 = x1024

The rules for the slot state that the max multiplier that can be achieved by the jumping wilds is x512 (see pic below).

Does this mean that the x512 multi is the theoretical max multi only and that the NoCityLimit developers never achieved a multi >x512 in their tests, or is there another logical explanation such as a technical glitch for example?

I’m a tad surprised that nobody has commented on this so far. Perhaps not noticed yet by others?

Interesting to see what others think and what NoCityLimit have to say about it.

Cheers

 

[DreamRJ]

Took a look...

The multiplier achieved in this near max win was x8 x16 x8 = x1024

The rules for the slot state that the max multiplier that can be achieved is x512.

Does this mean that the x512 multi is the theoretical max multi only and that the NoCityLimit developers never achieved a multi >x512 in their tests, or is there another logical explanation such as a technical glitch for example?

I’m a tad surprised that nobody has commented on this so far. Perhaps not noticed yet by others?

Interesting to see what others think and what NoCityLimit have to say about it.

Cheers

I will tag the rep for you so they can see this post and reply @NolimitCity - Pelle

 

[Hydr0]

I will tag the rep for you so they can see this post and reply @NolimitCity - Pelle

I doubled checked the rules. The max x512 applies to a single jumping wild, rather than all 3 jumping wilds multiplied together.

So my bad.... No doubt Pelle will confirm this is indeed the case.

Cheers

 

[Reelsoffun]

Took a look...

The multiplier achieved in this near max win was x8 x16 x8 = x1024

The rules for the slot state that the max multiplier that can be achieved by the jumping wilds is x512 (see pic below).

Does this mean that the x512 multi is the theoretical max multi only and that the NoCityLimit developers never achieved a multi >x512 in their tests, or is there another logical explanation such as a technical glitch for example?

I’m a tad surprised that nobody has commented on this so far. Perhaps not noticed yet by others?

Interesting to see what others think and what NoCityLimit have to say about it.

Cheers

The way the rules read a single multi can be 512x not the total.

Edit: you just beat me to it.

 

[Hydr0]

The way the rules read a single multi can be 512x not the total.

Edit: you just beat me to it.

Yeah, cheers mate

 

[Hydr0]

Does anyone know what the odds are of hitting 5 scatters in the base game?

It feels like division 1 power-ball odds tbh. In other words virtually impossible.

I believe a member here asked the question to the NoCityLimit rep shortly after the game release. Was an answer provided, as I can’t seem to find it?

Cheers

 

[Siohmy]

Does anyone know what the odds are of hitting 5 scatters in the base game?

It feels like division 1 power-ball odds tbh. In other words virtually impossible.

I believe a member here asked the question to the NoCityLimit rep shortly after the game release. Was an answer provided, as I can’t seem to find it?

Cheers

Slot itself isn’t too bad. The inclusion of a 2000x feature buy does seem a bit like a very cynical marketing exercise. Look at all these lovely huge wins, which you have pretty much next to no chance of getting anywhere near unless you’re in a position to fund 2000x feature buys. This really does make all the wins on the ladder currently a multiple of 2000x. The chances of hitting a natural 5 scatter trigger is likely so remote as to be non-existent.

 

[Playford7]

Slot itself isn’t too bad. The inclusion of a 2000x feature buy does seem a bit like a very cynical marketing exercise. Look at all these lovely huge wins, which you have pretty much next to no chance of getting anywhere near unless you’re in a position to fund 2000x feature buys. This really does make all the wins on the ladder currently a multiple of 2000x. The chances of hitting a natural 5 scatter trigger is likely so remote as to be non-existent.

The odds of hitting 5 scatters in a place that doesn’t offer bonus buys like the U.K. must be astronomical...

if the potential is that big and the cost that large the chance the average no bonus buying player hitting it must be lottery odds.

shame as it’s a good game, well no..

not really, without the 5 scatter bonus buy personally I’d think it was bang average.

love the vibe and new games no limit city produce, better than the megaways tripe.

just personally found this with a 2000x bonus buy misguided and in very bad taste, not to mention clearly only aimed at the scum (streamers)

 

[CasinoNinja]

Does anyone know what the odds are of hitting 5 scatters in the base game?

It feels like division 1 power-ball odds tbh. In other words virtually impossible.

I believe a member here asked the question to the NoCityLimit rep shortly after the game release. Was an answer provided, as I can’t seem to find it?

Cheers

I asked it, and they dodged the question sadly..

 

[Playford7]

I asked it, and they dodged the question sadly..

It’ll be similar to the max win on DOA 2, it has to be insane..

In other words useless to the regular player and only worth a wank to the parasitic streamer whom promotes this immoral BS..

as said tho, the games @Nolimit City - Peter make are great, why not just have them for regular players rather than sinking this low...

what next Jordan (one with the boobs) doing a review...

 

[Hydr0]

Took an another look at the near max win vid....

The final last spin paid the top symbol 23,040 ways. Bloody ridiculous!

Wonder how many 5 scatter buys it took to hit that?

Not too hard to imagine dropping 30k at $400 per buy (for the few out there that have personal $ printing machines) even when accounting for the RTP per bonus - which can be quite brutal in a short period of time.

Seriously risky business that 2000x buy-in, even at min. bet. Heck the 400x buy-in ain’t exactly a walk in the park either!

Cool theme, amazing win potential, but tread carefully folks. You’ve probably got a better chance of being hit by lightning than you do of hitting 150,000x!

Truth be told, I’m somewhat shocked someone has already got that close - but hey, many many thousands of players are obviously going nuts on this slot on a daily basis since its release.

 

[Kroffe]

Took an another look at the near max win vid....

The final last spin paid the top symbol 23,040 ways. Bloody ridiculous!

Wonder how many 5 scatter buys it took to hit that?

Not too hard to imagine dropping 30k at $400 per buy (for the few out there that have personal $ printing machines) even when accounting for the RTP per bonus - which can be quite brutal in a short period of time.

Seriously risky business that 2000x buy-in, even at min. bet. Heck the 400x buy-in ain’t exactly a walk in the park either!

Cool theme, amazing win potential, but tread carefully folks. You’ve probably got a better chance of being hit by lightning than you do of hitting 150,000x!

Truth be told, I’m somewhat shocked someone has already got that close - but hey, many many thousands of players are obviously going nuts on this slot on a daily basis since its release.

"Lightning is one of the leading causes of weather-related fatalities. But the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are only around 1 in 500,000. However, some factors can put you at greater risk for being struck. Regional, seasonal, and occupational differences affect your risk of being injured by lightning."

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To put things in perspective.
Making 1 million spins each day, it will still take you about 5 years on average to hit the max win on San quentin.
If i was a betting man, id say lightning will get you long before you ever have a chance at landing the top win from a normal spin.

 

[Hydr0]

"Lightning is one of the leading causes of weather-related fatalities. But the odds of being struck by lightning in a given year are only around 1 in 500,000. However, some factors can put you at greater risk for being struck. Regional, seasonal, and occupational differences affect your risk of being injured by lightning."

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To put things in perspective.
Making 1 million spins each day, it will still take you about 5 years on average to hit the max win on San quentin.
If i was a betting man, id say lightning will get you long before you ever have a chance at landing the top win from a normal spin.

Well said Kroffe!

 

[Hydr0]

Did some pretty stupid shit.... I bought a number of 400x buys and eventually the crazy 2000x buys on min. bet 0.20 (still can’t believe I did that tbh), with a little help from my good ole’ mate Jim Bean and some mild sleep deprivation to boot. I very nearly went bust!

I started with a $1577 balance (left over from a week ago, built up from a $250 deposit), and within the hour I was down to ~$850 doing $80 buys.

I was over it by then, and after staring at the buyin options for a few mins, I recklessly hit the 2000x buy - oh crap I thought. Game over for sure.

I got back ~95%, so reluctantly, I went again. The small losses continued for 4 consecutive buys and then I got smashed. 31.25% back. My balance was then sitting at ~$470. Went again, dropped to $418.
Went again, balance now at $18, hit ~$800. 4000x, according to NoCityLimits trophy table. Umm... coughs, 2x!

Then zigzagged for a while until my balance dropped to $7. Final buy returned almost $1800 (15 spin trigger with up to 128x jumping wilds).

Phew! That’s it for me. Made a modest profit in the end, and most certainly got out of jail this time around. There won’t be a next time. I took the plunge to see what all the hype was about, and it felt about as natural as a nun at a swingers party.

It feels pretty tense buying bonuses tbh, even at the minimum price. It’s $400 ffs. Some families live off half of that per week. Sure, the RTP can keep you steady for a little while, but one or two crap bonuses and you’re F!

I agree with the consensus that these crazy buy-ins are mere marketing tools for gaming streamers and the like to promote the game. Sadly, all these BS unrealistic wins that are being portrayed on 2K, 4K + etc buys will stumble a few that can’t really afford it.

And yeah, you will likely never see a 5 scatter trigger in the base game. That’s honestly pretty messed up. I think it’s more likely that you will trigger 4 scatters (I’ve done that just twice by the way after about a zillion spins), and upgrade to 5 in the bonus. Even then, it can be a fail result of course.

My most enjoyable sessions on this slot to date have been low rolling on 0.20 for a few hours. Seen lots of features this way, upgraded to 4 scatters a number of times, and even pulled a profit of $700+ a couple of times. Stress free, and always the hope of a miracle without killing your bankroll.

 

[Betreels Casino & Sports]

Apologies - did not realise I had to scroll down to see the 5 scatter buy.

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I wonder what a bonus buy with 5 bonuses would cost on this game if they had to do it. 20,000 to 50,000x bet?

There's no reason why buying five bonuses at once wouldn't just cost 10,000x stake, you're simply bundling five results into a single purchase.

1 x 5 is the same as 1 + 1 + 1 + 1 + 1

Don't be giving NoLimit City ideas though.....

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Did some pretty stupid shit.... I bought a number of 400x buys and eventually the crazy 2000x buys on min. bet 0.20 (still can’t believe I did that tbh), with a little help from my good ole’ mate Jim Bean and some mild sleep deprivation to boot. I very nearly went bust!

I started with a $1577 balance (left over from a week ago, built up from a $250 deposit), and within the hour I was down to ~$850 doing $80 buys.

I was over it by then, and after staring at the buyin options for a few mins, I recklessly hit the 2000x buy - oh crap I thought. Game over for sure.

I got back ~95%, so reluctantly, I went again. The small losses continued for 4 consecutive buys and then I got smashed. 31.25% back. My balance was then sitting at ~$470. Went again, dropped to $418.
Went again, balance now at $18, hit ~$800. 4000x, according to NoCityLimits trophy table. Umm... coughs, 2x!

Then zigzagged for a while until my balance dropped to $7. Final buy returned almost $1800 (15 spin trigger with up to 128x jumping wilds).

Phew! That’s it for me. Made a modest profit in the end, and most certainly got out of jail this time around. There won’t be a next time. I took the plunge to see what all the hype was about, and it felt about as natural as a nun at a swingers party.

It feels pretty tense buying bonuses tbh, even at the minimum price. It’s $400 ffs. Some families live off half of that per week. Sure, the RTP can keep you steady for a little while, but one or two crap bonuses and you’re F!

I agree with the consensus that these crazy buy-ins are mere marketing tools for gaming streamers and the like to promote the game. Sadly, all these BS unrealistic wins that are being portrayed on 2K, 4K + etc buys will stumble a few that can’t really afford it.

And yeah, you will likely never see a 5 scatter trigger in the base game. That’s honestly pretty messed up. I think it’s more likely that you will trigger 4 scatters (I’ve done that just twice by the way after about a zillion spins), and upgrade to 5 in the bonus. Even then, it can be a fail result of course.

My most enjoyable sessions on this slot to date have been low rolling on 0.20 for a few hours. Seen lots of features this way, upgraded to 4 scatters a number of times, and even pulled a profit of $700+ a couple of times. Stress free, and always the hope of a miracle without killing your bankroll.

Deliberately inserting reckless gambling mechanic into an online slot leads to reckless gambling shocker.

 

[Hydr0]

Deliberately inserting reckless gambling mechanic into an online slot leads to reckless gambling shocker.

Yep, hardly a shocker. It’s very unusual for me however to take those types of risks - no one is immune apparently, given the right set of circumstances. I was definitely prepared to lose the balance I had, and my expectation of hitting big was realistically low, even though I was coming off a previously nice session on other games.

Must admit, seeing some of those huge wins in the trophy list didn’t help - and yes, I know how rare they are!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

For clarity Hydr0 my comment wasn't a dig at you, it's the implementation of a 2000x stake bonus buy I take issue with, and that's down to NLC

 

[Hydr0]

In other news...

I just hit my third ever 4 scatters in the base game. Scatters on reel 1, 2, 4 and 5. Felt like I won lotto!

Then, the result: 275x

At least it didn’t cost me 400x.

 

[Hydr0]

For clarity Hydr0 my comment wasn't a dig at you, it's the implementation of a 2000x stake bonus buy I take issue with, and that's down to NLC

Yeah, nah... I got that mate. All good

 

[CertaCas]

In other news...

I just hit my third ever 4 scatters in the base game. Scatters on reel 1, 2, 4 and 5. Felt like I won lotto!

Then, the result: 275x

At least it didn’t cost me 400x.

I've had a natural 4 scatter once so far, really really interested in the odds for 5 scatters ... come on NLC, we need this info.

 

[Hydr0]

I've had a natural 4 scatter once so far, really really interested in the odds for 5 scatters ...

I think NLC’s silence to date speaks for itself. Maybe they just haven’t got around to it yet....

The odds of hitting 5 scatters in the base game are either zero, or very close to it - surely. On that, I think we would all agree!?

It’s probably not something the provider wants to admit to, or converse on, but it’s blaringly obvious to anyone who’s given this slot a solid go.

I would say that the most probable way to hit 5 scatters in the base game would be to upgrade during a 4 scatter trigger feature. Although, I’ve yet to see it myself.

A 3 to 4 scatter upgrade however hasn’t been too hard to achieve so far. I don’t know what the longer term odds will turn out to be, but my upgrade strike rate currently stands at ~3%. So about one in every 35 features I’ve been hitting the fourth bonus symbol. Best upgrade win so far ~2,800x (0.60 stake). Worst ~190x (0.20 stake).

If you can find the power to remain patient and resist the allure of feature buys (which can burn you fast and lead to instant tilt), when things get boring and frustrating as hell because you’re hitting useless paying 3 scatter features all over the place (we’ve all been there), then your luck may just come good on this one without breaking the bank.

I find that low rolling on auto spins while watching Netflix for eg. works well for me. Reduces the temptation to buy-in when the slot keeps reminding me that I’ve dropped the soap again!

 

[Siohmy]

Lol, thought I was about to eat my words in the most spectacular way when the first three bonuses landed on 1,2 and 3. Unfortunately not even a fourth. End result, an entirely respectable 130x.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

I use to know a Nun that went to the odd swingers party.

 

[elrudo]

My experiences for NoLimit San Quentin slot after a few hundred (200?) bonus buys, real money a mix of 0,20 100xBB and EUR 0,20 400xBB mostly:
- win/loss: about breakeven with EUR 1000 swings
- upgrade from 3 to 4 open reels: 15 times
- biggest win: 1300x on a 400xBB. A handful of times around 900-1000x on 100xBB
- upgrade from 4 to 5 reels: twice from 400xBB, and once all the way from 100xBB
- the number of spins and which reels are open didn't matter all too much for the end results
- huge timing tell when a spin has a wild column. I play turbo + slam stop
- overall an excellent slot. Biggest BB a bit too expensive for me

 

[Hydr0]

I use to know a Nun that went to the odd swingers party.

Ha! I think I’ve seen her on pornhub. Plenty of ‘nuns’ there!

 

[incrediblestuff]

Been playing this as much as i could, and do really like the slot. I'm definitely not a fan of the bonus buy in general, but can appreciate the possibility. Don't know if this actually 'promotes' irresponsible behaviour. If you see a needle filled with dope, would you shoot yourself up with it, then blame whoever put it there? Just my opinion. I personally have zero issues not pressing a bonus buy, but i also have enjoyed a few, when up.

I also had terrible experiences with huge balances and 'regular' old school bonus buys, like those 'Big Bets' from WMS/Barcrest, where i had the most unlikely return, on the advertised +RTP, which was a costly but useful lesson.

On the bonuses: had a few upgrades to 4, which paid well, and only one natural 4 scatter trigger, which didn't pay well at all
Still hoping for a 5 scatter trigger, or upgrade, but just hit this, from a 3 scatter trigger that upgraded to 4, with the top symbol x4, and i honestly thought it would've paid more, but i'll take it:

 

[ChopleyIOM]

I gave this one a go....

Too volatile for my taste but the game itself is, in fairness, pretty solid.

 

[incrediblestuff]

Was a late one that session from the above screen: plotted on and hit this later:

Iirc, that spin alone was worth the bulk of that total win amount, and i really don't quite understand why, in comparison to the above screen? Is that x8 wild so powerful here? The other one has the top symbol, and about as many ways, as far as i could tell
I'll take it though!

Mental slot, really great for longer sessions regardless of the insane variance.

 

[incrediblestuff]

weird connection double triple post issue

 

[incrediblestuff]

Oops! just for reference with the amount of time passed between last post and this: i was posting the very above one, and CM stopped working for me..then left the tab open and just now revisited, which somehow lead to a triple post

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

Degsy with his standard 1000x first time he plays a slot that he’d been slating!!!

I gave this a go few days ago. Played for about an hour on min stake. Took about £40 to give feature which was dog shit but then gave another which went just over 100x.

I found the base rather tedious. Pet hate of mine in games is stuff expanding or doing things even when there is no win there, just a waste of time. Like degsy I found the random pictures popping up on losing spins both unfunny and after a while annoying. I know in the uk we can’t have turbo spins but the spins take to long imo and I find myself out of frustration constantly clicking the start button trying to hurry things up!!

But tbf it’s not a bad game that ticks along. But not being able to play it faster is a real nause for me.

 

[NolimitCity - Pelle]

Quite the buzz here, especially around the massive bonus buy which doesn't seem to fit all of you - no surprise there really. You know our stance since before I guess, it's an option for the player to use or not use - unless you're in a regulation that doesn't allow for BB. It's not "streamer bait" from our end, the more volatile games seems to be more in demand really - just that simple.

This game is a monster from two perspecitives - the massive max win potential and also the big buy feature. We're open with how often that will hit in the game rules, and to be surprised that it's not gonna happen very often is an odd one. It's not just a single jackpot, it's also wins up until 150k mark of course. The biggest win so far is 149 631x in the first month since release.

It becomes quite the volatile game with such a big max win cap - but from my biased point of view the game plays really well both in main game and the 3, 4 and 5 bonus rounds. 5 bonus rounds is not as a volatile option compared to buy 3- or 4 Bonus version, but the swings in terms of balance is bigger. Jonas posted some data about the 5B version:

• 0 – 1.000x ~28%
• 1.000 – 2.000x ~43%
• 2.000 – 4.000x ~21%
• 4.000 – 10.000x ~7%
• 10.000x + ~1%
• 150.000x 1 in ~91.000

By the way, we've got a new dude at Nolimit that will take care of the affiliate and marketing side of things, hence my focus will turn more towards the games once again - so please be kind to @Nolimit City - Peter .

Thanks @ChopleyIOM for making the video and congrats on the 900x+ win!

 

[ChopleyIOM]

Thanks for that Pelle

Forgive me for just coming straight out and asking a rather blunt question here, but do you think the 'rape joke' with the soap is really appropriate? There's just no context in which I think rape should be joked about.

TBH I found that animation really quite unpleasant, there are so many other prison tropes you could have used instead.

 

[NolimitCity - Pelle]

It's a joke of course, nothing more than that. What you should and shouldn't joke about is up to everyone to decide. I'd say that a shank is a bit more unpleasant - but it's a prison theme slot, so it's really a interpretation of popular movies and TV-shows, it's not a documentary in anyway.

I'll go back in my bubble for a bit, we've got lots to do and in a day or so you might focus your Nolimit discussions on another game...

 

[dunover]

Thanks for that Pelle

Forgive me for just coming straight out and asking a rather blunt question here, but do you think the 'rape joke' with the soap is really appropriate? There's just no context in which I think rape should be joked about.

TBH I found that animation really quite unpleasant, there are so many other prison tropes you could have used instead.

What, like prisoners beating up other prisoners for a gram of spice? It's a gritty theme, that's what you get. Plus the addition of soap would presumably make it less painful for the wide receiver...

 

[bamberfishcake]

Kudos for asking the question though.

It's not "streamer bait" from our end, the more volatile games seems to be more in demand really - just that simple.

@NolimitCity - Pelle demand from who? The Industry or the consumer? Perception is reflection and if every provider swamps the market with slots like this then your shaping your own future and not reacting to consumer demand. Social responsibility? Ethics?

You get my can of worms award:

A new award you will be pleased to receive as it avoids lengthy discussions, where one side tries to portray an innocent ideology whilst the other disproves it with logic and facts, allowing you to get on with your day!

Congrats!

@Nolimit City - Peter welcome!

I am No Limit City's biggest fan! You would have heard me spoken about at the office

 

[CasinoNinja]

@NolimitCity - Pelle The odds for the 150kx is in the rules indeed, still waiting for the odds to hit 5 scatters in the basegame though, if you like

 

[Flyingslotsman]

Quite the buzz here, especially around the massive bonus buy which doesn't seem to fit all of you - no surprise there really. You know our stance since before I guess, it's an option for the player to use or not use - unless you're in a regulation that doesn't allow for BB. It's not "streamer bait" from our end, the more volatile games seems to be more in demand really - just that simple.

This game is a monster from two perspecitives - the massive max win potential and also the big buy feature. We're open with how often that will hit in the game rules, and to be surprised that it's not gonna happen very often is an odd one. It's not just a single jackpot, it's also wins up until 150k mark of course. The biggest win so far is 149 631x in the first month since release.

It becomes quite the volatile game with such a big max win cap - but from my biased point of view the game plays really well both in main game and the 3, 4 and 5 bonus rounds. 5 bonus rounds is not as a volatile option compared to buy 3- or 4 Bonus version, but the swings in terms of balance is bigger. Jonas posted some data about the 5B version:

• 0 – 1.000x ~28%
• 1.000 – 2.000x ~43%
• 2.000 – 4.000x ~21%
• 4.000 – 10.000x ~7%
• 10.000x + ~1%
• 150.000x 1 in ~91.000

By the way, we've got a new dude at Nolimit that will take care of the affiliate and marketing side of things, hence my focus will turn more towards the games once again - so please be kind to @Nolimit City - Peter .

Thanks @ChopleyIOM for making the video and congrats on the 900x+ win!

Where is that, I had a look and didn't see it on the winners enclosure, was it a bonus buy?

 

[pinnit2014]

@NolimitCity - Pelle The odds for the 150kx is in the rules indeed, still waiting for the odds to hit 5 scatters in the basegame though, if you like

They're still running the simulation waiting for it to happen.

 

[Lucky Loser]

I love this new slot. Please keep up the good work NolimitCity.

 

[PMKFRUITPRO]

They're still running the simulation waiting for it to happen.

Way more likely to happen than your recent stonker on bonanza!!!

 

[ESCJAMIE]

Has anyone ever got a bonus symbol with in the bonus it self to give you extra spins and another jumping wild

Been playing this for ages and never seen it before, not even in the paytable

 

[Kenji85]

Has anyone ever got a bonus symbol with in the bonus it self to give you extra spins and another jumping wild

Been playing this for ages and never seen it before, not even in the paytable

Ya mate.

I bought a 4 scatter when on a hot run on race casino. On last spin it gave me a scatter.
Got 2 extra spins with the third wild. It paid quite well. I will see if I can get the replay from no limit on race.



I know BB aren't an option for you UK guys?

 

[Kenji85]

Double post for some reason. Video of 4 to 5 scatter below.

 

[Kenji85]