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RTG's and Random Jackpots Over The Top? Detriment to players?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by silcnlayc, May 24, 2009.

    May 24, 2009
  1. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I was playing earlier today and found a regular slot game that I played for as long as it was out, reach an unimaginable amount in the random jackpot at Rushmore. It is now over $100,000 when all these slots hardly ever used to go over $5000 before they hit.

    What is wrong with this picture?

    Now, I went and checked my log deposit at Inetbet and noticed that I deposited and played at Inetbet for 30 days straight (missing at the most 5 days if that much in playing at this one casino) depositing anywhere from $20-80 in a sitting ( sometimes 2 $40 deposits back to back) and did not catch one good hit to withdraw, and I played Incan Goddess and Treasure Hunter 99% of the time for these 30 days because I noticed that the jackpots have reached an unimaginable amount ever even at Inetbet.

    Again I ask, whats wrong with this picture?

    What I see is that the casino must have asked the software provider to max out the Random Jackpots IMO. What I mean by that is to not allow it to hit at a lower level as much as it used too. The reason I say this is because this has only been happening in the last 2 years I would say, the increasing of random jackpots to enormous proportions and the lack of playtime for players being reduced at the same time they upped the jackpot averages.

    I feel these casinos have gotten out of hand just as the random jackpots have. Why the need for these enormous pots LATELY? IMO it is to sucker in the average joe to continue deposting so a high roller would have the pleasure of hitting it.

    I really am dumbfounded over this. Especially when I saw the $100,000 jackpot on a regular slot. Does anyone see how wrong this is when these jackpots were shared by all level of players, now only a few select will be winning them?

    Maybe I am wrong..maybe I am seeing it in a different light than many, but what is this need for these jackpots to be so huge except for the casinos to keep raking in money without a true % return to the player.


    I am still pondering this realization of these lottery jackpots....they used to be fun to chase (I never had the pleasure of hitting one) because you at least got your monies worth playing...but not no more...and this is where I think something is definitly wrong with this picture.

    Done with my musings and ramblings...

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  2. May 24, 2009
  3. vegetagirl2008

    vegetagirl2008 Mafia Wars Level 472

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    It seems as of lately that people deposit big amounts of money hit those big jackpots, I can't afford it so I am not even going to try to get no random period no matter how big the jackpot is.
     
  4. May 24, 2009
  5. lauram

    lauram Dormant account

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    Another thing here is if you read most of the rtg terms, if you are a new player with a bonus on your first 3 deposits max cashout is anywhere from 2k to 5k.
    So if that 100k jackpot went the most that person will get from it is 2k or 5k.
    Does the casino place the rest of the funds back into the jackpot? I recall i was playing one day when a new member had joined us here at cm then posted she won the rj. Later she said she could only claim 2k from it, yet on that game the following day it was still reset the money never at least that i noticed got placed back in for another player to win. Anyone else care to share on this please.
     
  6. May 24, 2009
  7. XOXOXOXOXOX

    XOXOXOXOXOX Let em spin... PABaccred

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    Jackpots at Rushmore are seeded at 5000 and several games linked together and share the same random jackpot. So they grow bigger.
     
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  8. May 24, 2009
  9. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    That is interesting. Why did they get linked? What was the reasoning behind it? Are others linked?

    When did these casino owners/software suppliers decide to do this at some and not all or did they do this at all?

    Something does not make sense here...even if some were linked as Clubworld (they show this on the main page), they have NEVER gotten as big as this one over $100,000 on a regular slot group if they are linked.

    What makes Rushmore special and now Inetbet following in Clubworlds footsteps? (jackpot size)

    I am trying to find some understanding why this has been done , if it has and why the jackpots are reaching these levels that were never done before..

    All I know is the players return has dropped terribly to around 60% (as in Rusty's case and many more IMO) to give casinos the ability to hold on to the jackpot money much longer before jackpots are hit by higher rollers, which leaves the little guy eating dust all the way around such as playtime and returns.....

    I am truly baffled, getting slightly uncomfortable and a little worried on where these casinos are actually trying to take the honest players lately.

    Hopefully, they get these laws changed soon so we can have a true accounting and maybe get back to some real honest dealings with everyone at all casinos and some new competition for the ones already online from major players such as Harrahs, and such.

    Maybe then the casinos that have been online now will have to change back for the better to where they were before all the adjustings of slots to keep players at their casinos once this is in place.
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  10. May 24, 2009
  11. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    I think a random jackpot is just that. Random. The casino portions a part of each play towards the pot. On the RJS they never loose so it makes no odds to them if its won at $1.00 or $1000.00. We can speak forever on the myths surrounding RJs but I have a feeling the truth is rather boring and straight forward. And remember if you dont like or trust a casino then move on. They are 100s more out there in "blow your mind land" to choose from. In my next life I will be born as Casino Software tech then come back here and tell you all about it. Until then ... I say have fun try win and dont biatch when we loose (which I do hourly .... :eek:
     
  12. May 24, 2009
  13. XOXOXOXOXOX

    XOXOXOXOXOX Let em spin... PABaccred

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    I just have a few answers.
    Louise posted regarding Rushmore a few month ago. Other casinos from their group have individual jackpot for each RSVS same as iNet. By the way, Jackpot Capital links RJs too. I play at all these casinos and i check when i am bored. :D

    The difference is the seed amount is CW is 1000 and 5000 at Rusmore. So i am guessing that why they are bigger.

    I dunno, may be its for high rollers who play 100 bucks a spin to have fun....:D however someone from here won 21k betting $5 at Rushmore just a couple of days ago.

    EDIT:
    oh and by the way, 100K jackpot was just gone. Oh well, I was going to play.... :axeman2:
     
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  14. May 24, 2009
  15. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    I saw that. Didn't this person put in around $2000 to start with spinning at the $5 level to try and catch it? How many of us average players can start with a large enough bankroll do this...this is what I was getting at. My bet limit is 40 cents to $2...I know anyone can win....but I do not think just anyone, DOES win...

    Interesting to see if anyone else is noticing the difference from the way it used to be to the way it is now.

    Played it too for a while today. Will be interesting to see if anyone on here hit it and at what level.

    .
     
  16. May 24, 2009
  17. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    Not a high roller then? lol I stay clear of Rushmore personally, its a casino only available to high depositers and hi rollers if you want to win one of those randoms
     
  18. May 24, 2009
  19. skiny

    skiny Banned User - violation of <a href="http://www.cas

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    I don't understand this idea people have that you shouldn't complain when you think a casino is doing players wrong. The entire idea behind having an open forum is so you can discuss the topic for better or worse. Nobody should be doing anything with their mouths, ears and eyes shut.

    If you don't like or trust a casino then yes you should move on. You should also explain to other players why you distrust or dislike this casino so they can make informed opinions of whether or not they should play there.

    If players only came here to tell each other when they won it wouldn't be a very useful forum.
     
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  20. May 24, 2009
  21. vegetagirl2008

    vegetagirl2008 Mafia Wars Level 472

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    I think the point is being missed here, we are talking about the big random jackpots that are being held at these casinos. What I want to know is how are they being hit and what amount of money they are being hit with. I think that what this thread is about anyways.
     
  22. May 24, 2009
  23. lauram

    lauram Dormant account

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    And as i said earlier i would like to know if a new player to the casino wins the rj and they are not entitled to collect the full amount. Does the rest of the funds go back into the rj.
     
  24. May 24, 2009
  25. XOXOXOXOXOX

    XOXOXOXOXOX Let em spin... PABaccred

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    I don't think Rushmore or iNet mentioned in the first post have max w\d restrictions for new players. But for the same reason, i don't claim free chips any more.
     
  26. May 24, 2009
  27. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    How many slots have the same jackpot value?(are linked)
    Because I think Silc has a very valid question about this.
    Even if 5 slots are linked that means they would all have to have 20k Jackpots on average in His example and RTG randoms very rarely went to 10K in times gone by.
    It seems obvious that the chances of hitting a random at Rushmore are less in order to build higher jackpots, it may also be that the player is paying more into the randoms there than other RTG's.

    Also the fact that Rushmore seed with 5k should tell you something surely.
    They are only going to seed that much if they think the jackpot will grow high and possibly if they are taking more profit (lower returns)

    To say that Rushmore does not care when the random is hit is very narrow sighted.
    Higher jackpots attract more players, that is the whole idea behind the progressive rip off that people fall for.
    Progressives always have lower returns than other slots, it is a massive money spinner for Casinos.
    Why on Earth do you imagine they linked slots in the first place?

    So the point is that RTG can apparently change the percentage of stake that goes to the random.
    That is ok but the player should be informed how much of their stake goes to the jackpot and what the probability of winning it is.
    If other Casinos differ from Rushmore on any of the above for the same game it is just plain wrong.

    Maybe a Rushmore Rep can make a statement;

    A) The percentage return of their RJ slots
    b) The percentage of stake that goes to the RJ and if that is the same as all RTG Casinos
    c) The probability of hitting their RJ from $1 stake and if that is the same as all other RTG Casinos.

    It will be very easy to check if everything adds up.
     
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  28. May 25, 2009
  29. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    Hi I certainly agree if you have a complaint or issue then sure shout loud especially when it comes to payment of a player being done wrong. And yep agree forums like this a great for rooting out the good the bad and the great. Each to their own I suppose I was just expressing the way I do things on a personal level :)
     
  30. May 25, 2009
  31. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    I stand corrected I can actually see the value from a casinos pov with high RJS yep of course it will attract RJ chasers. But i think from an actually $$ perspective they are already covered in the fact that a portion of each bet goes into the pot or pool so no matter when it hits the casino is always up. And yep rethinking the higher the RJ is means that the casino will be making more money as I presume more people will play / chase it. I could be totally wrong and if so I will put my head in a bucket of salt. But i think it comes down to percentages and nothing more. Plus the mystry factor is good for Casinos .. e.g as we are discussing now in this thread. Many who dont know what an RJ is could be tempted to check it out. Its a cunning feature of RTGs no doubt and makes great business sense. whoosh. Time for a drink :thumbsup:
     
  32. May 25, 2009
  33. Deeplay

    Deeplay New World Order CAG mm1 webmeister

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    Well I won a 6k RJ some time back playing at slots oasis. Hit on very first session managed to kill the play through and was paid. So yep think they are entitled to collect full amount so long as play through etc is all in order.
     
  34. May 25, 2009
  35. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    The mystery factor on the players side was supposed to be at ANY given time. I do not think that the casinos are ignorant to when it will be hit anymore, otherwise, why have the gone so high recently unless it was requested by the casino to reflect this change from the software provider? Raising the ceiling on them perhaps which I feel isn't fair to most players the fund these.

    This is what I have been asking myself too lately. All I can come up with is a justification by the casinos for the jackpots growth but they still should not have been as high as they are now IMO even if they are linked.

    Somewhere along the line, these randoms have become a big lure for the casinos to players including very high rollers is my opinion.

    These randoms thirteen years ago were just like the Intercasinos rapid fire ones. They would go off at any given time..but never longer than a week.

    Now, these randoms sit there for a much longer time when they were supposed to be a jackpot to look forward to in ADDITION to ones play regardless. It is no longer that.

    Now all casinos seem to carry a larger jackpot than ever...I just want to know the reasoning behind this.

    It seems more OBVIOUS now to me that the random jackpots can be altered by request from the casino for when to hit nowadays where they used to be hit pretty much a lot more than they have been lately at a far less amount to allow the average joe some fun too.

    I tested this theory out for 30 days at Inetbet before I posted. I played $1-2 on the same two games almost exclusively each time I deposited for 30 days. I have NEVER done that before , sticking to 2 games only for this length of time.

    As you can see, they were not hit in 30 days of my play by ANYONE where in the earlier years these would have been gone in less than a week.

    I also played Derby Dollars at $1-2 on the same day it was hit for over $100,000. As I said, I would like to know what the player was playing on it to win.

    This is why I keep asking, why?

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  36. May 25, 2009
  37. Pinababy69

    Pinababy69 RIP Lisa

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    This whole thread is exactly the reason I seldom even look at the amount of a RJ. Given the stakes I play, I seriously doubt I will ever win one. And I would never spend money chasing one. Nor do I play progressive jackpot games either. If something nice happens while I'm playing, it would be an extra added bonus.

    I do agree that they link them to try and make them more attractive to the player, and try to get them chasing them.....maybe even spending more money than they should. Obviously a marketing ploy. But we all still have free will.....just play your game, play as you would normally play. If you start chasing some big jackpot, then you're falling into the trap you believe they're setting for you. And that is no one's fault but your own. My opinion.
     
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  38. May 25, 2009
  39. silcnlayc

    silcnlayc Just one more spin pleez! CAG MM PABnonaccred PABaccred

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    This is happening less and less (this nice thing) due to the increase in the jackpots. That was my other observation. The average joe is being penalized by lower than average return on every spin in the last few months IMO. I feel it is due to the increase in the jackpots by the casinos.

    It seems all the casinos are jumping on the same bandwagon because players continue to feed them without complaining on these returns. I really am lousy with words and how to get across what I try to mean but in the long run...we are being eaten alive by casinos because of greed?

    Higher jackpots for casinos (by adjusting the software)=more players playing for less return to the average player is what I think I am trying to get at, and NO one is complaining!!! There used to be a set payback for many years and one would never have seen so many dud bonus/free spin rounds, ever, but now they have become the norm and players not knowing the way it was are accepting this without question.

    That is what these have become IMO. With a twist.
    I agree, I just had to see for myself if what I was thinking was true, and I find IMO that to be so.

    I guess it is time again to move on to better playing fields

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