RTG Rant

[nisosbar]

I see both points of view, but as a player, it's like this:

I gamble online to have fun and ideally, not only have fun but win money.

You can deposit at some online casinos with an RTP of 60%. You'll win once every year maybe.

Or you can deposit at places with an RTP closer to 100%. You're balance will go mostly down, but sometimes, you'll get a couple good hits and have enough to cash out a nice chunk. And it may happen several times a year.

In both cases, the house is ultimately the winner, but you have more fun in the latter casino.

Another point: RTG itself has that oft-discussed 50,000/line bet max win rule. That can't be a better-known rule than the SJ $500/week max cashout rule.

All these points are debatable, but I really see things KK's way, and anyway, I'm not sure that it's really that big of a deal.

YMMV.

 

[X-Raided]

= as long as I'm making money out of sending them players, I don't give a rats.

I assume you 100% support Casinoplex in the recent dispute, and that you're proud, or would be proud, to recommend them. Having a casino on ones site IS exactly the same as personally recommending them....the idea that there are really good casinos on ones site and some not-so-good casinos is crap. If they DO have crap and predatory terms, like winpalace group, they shouldn't be personally recommended, because you're really telling your trusting customers that you're happy to send them somewhere where they will be less well-treated (or just straight out taken advantage of in this case).

Cwc have a min for US players only AFAIK. Also, they have a $4000 max weekly payout for EVERYONE....not just "better classes of player). If you're going to use another group to excuse your promotion of clipjoints like slots jungle, you should at least get your facts straight.

I read recently where a winpalace player was playing $25/50 hands of bj, and when they cashed out were limited to $500 per week. LOL. In other words, winners are treated like dirt, whilst losers are showered with nice bonuses etc. I'm very sure the reverse and lose factor is the major reason for the disgraceful terms, which makes them even more predatory.

Promote who you will, but your reputation has and is taking a hit as a result and your attitude of "well if its in the terms its ok" places you, IMO, in the same category as those who promote V1rtual etc. Players trust that affiliates will recommend the BEST places for them to play. You're promoting the BEST places for YOU to make money, via payout delays and the reversal factor. How an ethical affiliate could promote this lot is beyond me.

You say you're in the minority when you say such terms don't bother you...that should tell you something.

You two are part of what makes CM what CM is and I hate to see both of have turbulence between each other.

However, I can see how it could be a better incentive for KK to promote Slots Jungle and such groups..
The commission rips would be higher for KK than say Club World Group because their accredited already.

If Win-Palace group obtains a high-profile CM member like KK, I can see them offering him juicier incentives
than other already accredited casinos would.

I can't knock the man for making more money, ain't nothing wrong with that.. KK is a big boy and knows
the consequences it can have on his reputation if, say win-palace group vanishes one day into thin-air
with players monies in hand.. Kasino King would become Kasino Jester

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Both KK and Nifty make valid points, however the ultimate responsibility comes down to the player themselves as has already been pointed out. If a person doesnt read the terms and conditions of said casino before joining up then ultimately the error is the players whether they be new to the world of online gaming or not. You would not sign a contract without reading the small print at least I hope not and joining a casino is a contract between you the player and them the casino.

Promoting a casino that is rogue and untrustworthy is one thing. Thats intolerable and inexscuseable. Merely promoting a casino that has certain terms and conditions that some people dont like is not (such as a minimum weekly payment structure). If you dont like the terms and conditions dont join. We all have eyes and we can all read, well mostly

No one is forcing anyone to join a casino. If you can live with the terms the casino stipulates fine if you cant then dont join.

 

[dunover]

Both KK and Nifty make valid points, however the ultimate responsibility comes down to the player themselves as has already been pointed out. If a person doesnt read the terms and conditions of said casino before joining up then ultimately the error is the players whether they be new to the world of online gaming or not. You would not sign a contract without reading the small print at least I hope not and joining a casino is a contract between you the player and them the casino.

Promoting a casino that is rogue and untrustworthy is one thing. Thats intolerable and inexscuseable. Merely promoting a casino that has certain terms and conditions that some people dont like is not (such as a minimum weekly payment structure). If you dont like the terms and conditions dont join. We all have eyes and we can all read, well mostly

No one is forcing anyone to join a casino. If you can live with the terms the casino stipulates fine if you cant then dont join.

Fair enough, but their are two further criteria to consider here - transparency and fairness. The $500 point is not exactly emblazoned on the front page of the site, and because a term is included doesn't mean it is logical or fair.

Recently an American chap had the suggestion on standard symbols on the front pages of all casino sites. Obviously the red '18' logo being one. Like a DVD. You have symbols on the box with age classification, run time, format like PAL, BluRay, and region.

Imagine casinos had these on their FRONT PAGE for SUB WR or D+SUB WR/max weekly cashout/max bonus cashout/pending period/LGA etc.???
Industry standard symbols understandable across all languages, transparent and indisputable. The reputable ones would do it, the shysters and con artists would hate it.

It WILL happen eventually.

 

[AudiManinBoro]

Totally agree, and one day i`m sure it will happen
Until then all any of us can do is wade through the minefield that is casino terms and conditions and make an educated decision. Many of these terms and conditions might NOT be fair in many of these casinos but that is upto them to stipulate and for us to decide. Some like KK have no problem with them and others like Nifty do. Its what makes individualism great but brow beating and berating each other for what is fundamentally our own choice is wrong.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

$500 a week is still pocket money, whether it's legal or not, or written within the terms and conditions.
I bet they're more than happy to take a $10,000 deposit all at once from a player, and let them play blackjack at $100 a hand.
Of course, if said player played all night, finally broke nearly even and started a withdrawal process...
A bare minimum of 80 working days to receive their money, plus add on the odd day here and there for random holidays and so on. After the no doubt long-drawn-out verification process.


There's nothing can make me believe this is even remotely acceptable, and I'll bet it happens to poor bastards all the time too. No doubt they reverse the majority, lose it all, and move on. Which is why they need affiliates so badly, and probably pay them well/offer nice incentives. Because joke casinos like this rely heavily on new customers, as their customer retention is a million miles away from that of 32Red group, RedBet, Bet365, Betsson group and so on (the casinos who actually give a fuck, and will happily pay out large wins/withdrawals in a timely manner).

Sorry, but a casino like Slots Jungle is a farce and I'd be embarrassed to be associated with anything like it.

 

[LaHutti]

Slight derail, considering this https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/56637/
Surely you must be kidding, right ? lol
/derail

Fair enough, but their are two further criteria to consider here - transparency and fairness. The $500 point is not exactly emblazoned on the front page of the site, and because a term is included doesn't mean it is logical or fair.

Recently an American chap had the suggestion on standard symbols on the front pages of all casino sites. Obviously the red '18' logo being one. Like a DVD. You have symbols on the box with age classification, run time, format like PAL, BluRay, and region.

Imagine casinos had these on their FRONT PAGE for SUB WR or D+SUB WR/max weekly cashout/max bonus cashout/pending period/LGA etc.???
Industry standard symbols understandable across all languages, transparent and indisputable. The reputable ones would do it, the shysters and con artists would hate it.

It WILL happen eventually.

 

[RikkiGT-R]

Ahaha

 

[anniemac]

We have seriously taken a turn off topic, haven't we?

However, it is the players responsibility to do their due diligence when choosing a casino to play at. Don't follow along like a bunch of lemmings just because someone says this casino or that casino is great.

The accredited list here is just that, a list of the casinos that have been checked out and deemed OK. There are a lot of casinos out there that aren't on the list but that are perfectly fine to play at. As we have seen with some of the casinos on this list, a fall from grace can happen quickly.

Read the T&C's, make up your own mind and then proceed. Just because I like playing at one casino doesn't mean that you will. We are all big kids, make up your own mind.

 

[dunover]

Slight derail, considering this https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/56637/
Surely you must be kidding, right ? lol
/derail

Bugger, Class A violation. Low down on the list after loose/should of/your+you're but nevertheless diabolical. Very dissapointed with myselve.

 

[Sovietsky]

Bugger, Class A violation. Low down on the list after loose/should of/your+you're but nevertheless diabolical. Very dissapointed with myselve.

 

[dunover]

You spotted the 'myselve' deliberate error, but you missed the other one my friend, a bad Class A violation, really bad......

 

[bigjohn]

Jeez, did I do all this? I gotta learn to keep my fingers shut!

 

[mrmark21]

Wellety wellety wellety I made good use of a few days off and my post seems to have caused a novel, better start reading

I respect KK and of course agree with his opinion regarding the T&Cs at Slots Jungle. I personally don't have a problem with them. I made sure to read them before I continued depositing. As for their weekly payment limits? Being a low roller I'm not likely to win a huge amount on RTG (given what I've experienced on this platform in the past). So I can accept the weekly payment limits.

I'll play wherever I'm getting the most playtime or the most appreciation for my loyalty. Both happen to be at Slots Jungle. So NO I don't feel as though I'm being ripped off. Oh and BTW my monthly bonus at Inetbet? Well they forgot to credit me with a couple of those in a row. How does that happen? Never mind how that happens. I get a $20 free loyalty chip AUTOMATICALLY at Slots Jungle after every $60 deposit I make and that's without a bonus. I don't feel ripped off at all

Nisobar also had a really good point regarding whether players would prefer to play tight slots with higher weekly payout limits or looser slots with lower weekly payout limits. I've chosen the latter. I prefer the amount of play time I get as a result and the feeling that winning isn't impossible.

I also have confusion with your post. You say you don'tusually take bonuses and then the next sentence you said you always take bonuses. This might be what X-Raided is talking about

I don't usually take bonuses. Actually I rarely do. That's on other platforms. However when it comes to RTG... I always take a bonus. This has become a habit and has followed my play at other RTG casinos (even when the games seem to be playing better).

Furthermore, he said that he felt "ripped off" playing at iNetBet but was giving Slots Jungle a

I'm not entirely sure of you're confusion?

IMO...

Inetbet = No playtime. Impossible to score a decent win. Impossible to finish WR. Over 44 deposits.
SlotsJungle = Lot's of playtime. Scored a decent win already. Easy to finish WR. Only 12 deposits.

Does that help?

 

[jimb123]

RTG

I must have missed that one!



I think it's pretty shocking when you play for 2 hours and your best win was 22X. Or a bonus round that pays .4X (point 4 X)



Thank you for that, and for the sympathetic view of our current situation. We can't really blame anyone but ourselves. I can't wait for New Jersey to come on-line.

14 of my last 15 bonus rounds on Trex paid 0 to 2x.... about 10 of those were less than 1x bet... and the biggest was 20x I believe (tiny bets of 20cents to $1).

This is since the new faster spin format was downloaded..... A few weeks ago I hit a Random for $3800 at RTG and lost the entire amount trying to get the bonus round on Triple Toucan on $5 bets.... I finally hit it with about $100 left and won $22 on a $5 bet. The free spins basically paid nothing.

 

[mrmark21]

The free spins basically paid nothing.

They generally don't pay