RTG at inetbet You're Not Going to Believe This

[mikepipe]

yeah. CRM at its best. What is CRM?
my dictionary says:
customer relationship MISMANAGEMeNT.
But maybe , my english is a little bit too poor

 

[mrracetrack]

Posted by just play:

It's like they are saying "fuck you" in a nice round about way.

Also this is the first post by iNetBet Promos that didn't sign it "Best Regards" I thought that was strange.

Maybe I'm just reading more into it than I should.

Posted by chuchu59:

I am bothered as well. Imagine going to a restaurant and complaining about the service and food to the manager. What would happen if he tells you that you dont have to come here if you dont like our service or what you have eaten. This guy would be fired straight away. If the casino feels they need to improve their service, fine. I wouldnt mind to stand corrected if there was some misunderstanding or miscommunication but these words from Inetbet irate me.

Posted by mikepipe:

yeah. CRM at its best. What is CRM?
my dictionary says:
customer relationship MISMANAGEMeNT.
But maybe , my english is a little bit too poor

Since the iNetBet rep addressed his comments to me specifically... I have to agree with the above comments that the 3 different members posted about his response.

It was rather obvious that I "hit a nerve" with him with my post... as the reps statement of:

"If members are not enjoying their experience please remember that no one is under any obligation to play in our casino. We thank those that do and respect those who choose not to."

pretty much indicated that.

Not quite the response I might have expected... along with his saying that... "I hope that this post will be my final one on this topic".

That last comment by the rep seems to indicate contempt and annoyance on his part.

I'm not sure why the iNetBet rep would not be happy to respond to questions like I posted... numerous people have been questioning the slot payouts of the iNetBet casino... (and all the RTG casinos, too)

The "if you don't like it... go play somewhere else" attitude comes off as very unprofessional, in my opinion.

I think at least a few people will take the iNetBet Rep's advice...and do exactly that.

 

[SlotsWizard]

The "if you don't like it... go play somewhere else" attitude comes off as very unprofessional, in my opinion.

I think at least a few people will take the iNetBet Rep's advice...and do exactly that.

Not me... I'm going to go deposit $8 and turn it into $75,000 with their incredibly loose 96% slots - scooping up a couple of random jackpots along the way - so that I can afford to buy some milk. (You have to read their newsletter to get that.)

I'm not sure if it's wise for casinos to publish things like that. They could have mentioned the $8 into $75,000 and the player's emails, without this part:

I LOVE YOU You have helped a very poor person - I am very poor - sometimes can't even get milk...

It seems a bit predatory to include that kind of statement. And their response, while clearly tongue-in-cheek, isn't exactly in good taste either:

No need to go searching around for money for milk now. Perhaps you can buy a couple of cows or maybe even a small farm with your winnings.

Could it be that this winner was so poor because they have been playing for too long without a win? In my opinion, the player's statements "I LOVE YOU" and "I thought I would play on my $16,000 I had left - I mean it's alot of money - I thought I'd give you a break!", plus the fact that she was spinning $100 a spin* after winning, clearly indicates a gambling problem.

*She had to have been spinning $100 a spin because she said she hit five archery boards during the free spins. This pays 200 times your bet. The only possible free spin multipliers are 2x, 3x, 4x, 5x and 6x. The bets jump from $20 to $100. Assuming she was playing $20 bets @ 6x multiplier that would only equal $24,000 so she must have been playing $100 bets and gotten the lowest possible multiplier of 2x (big surprise ) = $100 x 2 x 200 = $40,000.

 

[brianzz]

That winners letter looks like it was written by a PR firm. I couldn't afford milk so I made an $8 deposit, that's all I had left after I lost $9000 in your casino this month. <insert vomiting icon here>

 

[SlotsWizard]

That winners letter looks like it was written by a PR firm. I couldn't afford milk so I made an $8 deposit, that's all I had left after I lost $9000 in your casino this month.

The thought crossed my mind but I don't think iNetBet would stoop that low. The screenshots would be very easy to fake since they were just screenshots of the lobby, but I do give iNetBet the benefit of the doubt here.

<insert vomiting icon here>

 

[chuchu59]

The thought crossed my mind but I don't think iNetBet would stoop that low. The screenshots would be very easy to fake since they were just screenshots of the lobby, but I do give iNetBet the benefit of the doubt here.

I dont think they would stoop so low either. Maybe they simply need to employ Johnsteed to present the story better.

Heck, where are you, JS?

 

[happygobrokey]

how many decks are used in your table games? a former rtg manager has said it's possible to change on the fly anywhere between 1-255 decks. i understand you at inetbet don't change this, but what is it set at? thanks.

just so you know, they responded to this question via pm, saying it wasn't relevant to the discussion, but did disclose to me. so i'll only share it if someone other than myself is interested.

 

[lojo]

just so you know, they responded to this question via pm, saying it wasn't relevant to the discussion, but did disclose to me. so i'll only share it if someone other than myself is interested.

Ummm, did you bring enough to share with the class? Share Happy, please.

 

[happygobrokey]

first they pointed me to a page on their site, but this page did not give any detail about any game other than classic bj. and indeed it says that it did not apply equally to the other 21 variants. that page said the number of decks for blackjack is 6. i wrote back saying the page they directed me to did not include the numbers for 21 variants and also red dog or war, so they responded to tell me that:

blackjack = 6 decks
other 21 games = likely also 6 decks, except
pontoon = 1 deck
table poker variants = (goes without saying) 1 deck
red dog and war = likely also 1 deck

so the only game they could say with certainty about was pontoon using one deck. the other games i asked about were met with the conjectural responses listed above. and contrary to normal bj, single-deck pontoon is worse for the player than multi-deck, as 5-carders are less likely and tying the dealer's hand more likely. i would hazard that single-deck red dog and war are also less favourable (though i don't know how many decks is the standard elsewhere) because the big payouts for three of a kind or a tie after a war are less likely to occur than with multiple decks.

 

[lojo]

first they pointed me to a page on their site, but this page did not give any detail about any game other than classic bj. and indeed it says that it did not apply equally to the other 21 variants. that page said the number of decks for blackjack is 6. i wrote back saying the page they directed me to did not include the numbers for 21 variants and also red dog or war, so they responded to tell me that:

blackjack = 6 decks
other 21 games = likely also 6 decks, except
pontoon = 1 deck
table poker variants = (goes without saying) 1 deck
red dog and war = likely also 1 deck

so the only game they could say with certainty about was pontoon using one deck. the other games i asked about were met with the conjectural responses listed above. and contrary to normal bj, single-deck pontoon is worse for the player than multi-deck, as 5-carders are less likely and tying the dealer's hand more likely. i would hazard that single-deck red dog and war are also less favourable (though i don't know how many decks is the standard elsewhere) because the big payouts for three of a kind or a tie after a war are less likely to occur than with multiple decks.

That's good to know. But I wonder how many decks can really be set 'on the fly' and precisely how low the slots can be set and if a casino can change the variance of a slot game 'at will'. I'm too shy to ask (fearing the sting of rejection) so I'll probably never know.

 

[reda]

i agree that rtg is tight. in my opinion it is not only inet. i have slowed down a lot on my gambling because im tired of losing. as long as the casinos can take in money and it runs smoothly they wont fix the problem. it sounds like to me they dont believe there is a problem to fix. i gambled at rtg for over 4 years now and i can tell there is a big difference in the play that i get for my money. once in a while ill get a few features and think im doing good because i won about 40.00 ( big deal) because i lose it all back and never get ahead. gotta be at the right place at the right time and thats hard to do

 

[happygobrokey]

That's good to know. But I wonder how many decks can really be set 'on the fly' and precisely how low the slots can be set and if a casino can change the variance of a slot game 'at will'. I'm too shy to ask (fearing the sting of rejection) so I'll probably never know.

ex-rtg employees phynqster (former manager of shark) and to a lesser extent skunx (not sure where or what position he worked) have come forth to say the card games can be changed from anywhere between 1-255 decks, in real time while a player has the game open and is playing.

unsure if poker-style card games which should always be using a single deck can be tweaked, but if they were then a further rig would have to be in place to keep identical cards from coming out.

there was also talk of how the slots were tweakable, but not being a slot player, i forget how low/high they claimed they are adjustable to or how the tweaking is accomplished within the game. try pm'ing either or both of them, and they can probably give you more info.

but inetbet holds by their claim that they personally do not tweak the games despite having the settings available as part of the rtg software.

EDIT: shoot! i didn't realise it was you asking, lojo. i phrased this post like i was addressing a newbie. maybe this revelation came during your hiatus from here, otherwise i'd have thought you'd been on top of it when it came up. anyway, that is the best i can recall from memory, but those guys are the insiders for rtg secrets. hit them up, and possibly point them here, or reiterate their replies if you get a hold of them and get anything of importance.

 

[lojo]

I be a newbie, fresh as a daisy

I remember that, but I thought they said they had to do a disconnect first (hazy) for the blackjack deck extension miracle. And Zaqwert, a former programmer said the slots could be tweaked but not below 80% or some such. The more sources, and the more precise the numbers, the better.

 

[happygobrokey]

I be a newbie, fresh as a daisy

I remember that, but I thought they said they had to do a disconnect first (hazy) for the blackjack deck extension miracle. And Zaqwert, a former programmer said the slots could be tweaked but not below 80% or some such. The more sources, and the more precise the numbers, the better.

not certain exactly how "on the fly" it was, but i recall them saying how they once watched someone squirm by fiddling about with the settings, and surely the jig would be up if the person was getting multiple disconnects.

 

[I<3Microgaming]

I have had good and bad experiences with RTG but when considering a place like INetBet, I do believe RTG is fair.

The problem lies in their game algorithms, they need to be rewritten.

 

[drk]

I jus think the software makes good or bad days.

Like 2 weeks ago i couldn't lose at casino-extreme... just hitting bonus round on aladdin ALWAYS and always free-spins.
Now it's 2 weeks I CAN'T hit bonus round!! Just play as before, same bet size, i can go 100 to 0 in NO TIME!

And this happen ALWAYS when the software makes u download something (maybe it's just a case and i'm paranoic but this is what i figure out in 3 years online casino).

Same MG slots... samedays U CAN'T LOSE, some WEEKS u can't win lol

My 2 cents..

 

[ilbcnu4poker]

$3.00 Short Of Tens of Thousands of Dollars...Damn the Luck

I had 5 bucks left on a credit card so inspite of my promise to never play it a RTG site it's the only one I have that will allow a depositi under 20.00. I remember the inetbet rep saying someone won thousands with 8.00 deposit. Damn I was 3.00 short of being rich but tried anyway. I had standard experience which would seem impossible to continue to have happen but........in 200 spins you achieve 10 or 15 "money making" spins. Then you go broke when you can't hit 2 money makers in 400 spins and your broke.
Now I done with RTG's for the 100th time.
I think that having to listen to the hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh waiting for the third symbol to hit has been studied and causes extreme brain damage in rats and morons who continue lose monies there.
I am considering moving from the US again so I can play Party poker/Casino.
They were class acts and in a completely different level of Honest. On line cash outs in 6 months at PP.....16 All others in one year........3

 

[lojo]

I had 5 bucks left on a credit card so inspite of my promise to never play it a RTG site it's the only one I have that will allow a depositi under 20.00. I remember the inetbet rep saying someone won thousands with 8.00 deposit. Damn I was 3.00 short of being rich but tried anyway. I had standard experience which would seem impossible to continue to have happen but........in 200 spins you achieve 10 or 15 "money making" spins. Then you go broke when you can't hit 2 money makers in 400 spins and your broke.
Now I done with RTG's for the 100th time.
I think that having to listen to the hhhhhhhhhhhhhhh waiting for the third symbol to hit has been studied and causes extreme brain damage in rats and morons who continue lose monies there.
I am considering moving from the US again so I can play Party poker/Casino.
They were class acts and in a completely different level of Honest. On line cash outs in 6 months at PP.....16 All others in one year........3

Probably best to stick to poker; it involves skill. Also, if you have a bitch, it is with a person, not a mythical RNGenie.

Everyone who has played RTG slots knows they are 'streaky' - that can be a good thing on a good day or suck when it sucks