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RTG at inetbet You're Not Going to Believe This

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by ilbcnu4poker, Aug 30, 2007.

    Aug 30, 2007
  1. ilbcnu4poker

    ilbcnu4poker Dormant account

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    I had some communication issues with inetbet this week that coming here got a answer at least. I didn't get into the odds of winning but tonight I decided to see how bad it was.
    I just finish playing Archilles betting the maximum of 100.00 a spin on autoplay. The game offers two seperate bonus game triggered when three symbols appear. After 644 spins and potentialy 33,000.00 dollars I didn't hit either bonus. I stopped the game so I don't know how much longer it would have been but my god. I couldn't have believed it possible to have software that would produce those results. I played at bodog years ago and quit. I remember why now. I will never invest another penny at a RTG casino again. That isn't unlucky it's EVIL.
     
  2. Aug 30, 2007
  3. winbig

    winbig Keep winning this amount. webby PABnononaccred

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    I hope you were in "Fun" mode...
     
  4. Aug 30, 2007
  5. Pocketdiggers77

    Pocketdiggers77 Gamester

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    I believe the results. I vote crooked to go with evil.
     
  6. Aug 30, 2007
  7. chuchu59

    chuchu59 gambling addict CAG PABnonaccred

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    Betting $33 000 just to examine how bad the software is? That's insane. As Winbig said, hope you were playing in fun mode. Otherwise, you must be a billionaire to squander that amount of money just to test RTG out. They must be laughing all the way to the bank.
     
  8. Aug 30, 2007
  9. catrina m

    catrina m Senior Member PABaccred

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    The RTG software can take the money in a hurry. I haven't posted in a while because Iv'e been watching the forums really bitch about RTG. I believe it. I have had small luck on small deposits, but in 2 years have never really won.

    Time to quit the online and go to real casino's that pay instantly.

    If everyone quit for 2 weeks or a month, they would feel the pain.

    Ask Yourself, If I spent that much in a brick and mortar, I would at least get dinner out of it and maybe more. Its not that far that I should lose a nice trip to a real casino by depositing hard earned money in a non-english speaking, chesire cat smiling while thier typing fake casino who think that they have a retirement all set on my weekly if not daily small deposits.
     
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  10. Aug 30, 2007
  11. lnspin

    lnspin Senior Member webmeister

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    Its not all Rtg's its just inetbet Think they let the praise about the cs and quic payouts go to there head so they tighetened the payouts up to suck in all of our cash while wee were trusting them . Many others such as clubworld or any of the mainstreet casinos are not wound up as tight ,
     
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  12. Aug 30, 2007
  13. happygobrokey

    happygobrokey Dormant account

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    emily said inetbet has never used the tweak settings rtg has built in. i'd hate to think she would lie straight up to our faces when she knows who we are. perhaps they were activated at the worst possible settings for the player, and never tweaked off of that? :thumbsup:
     
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  14. Aug 30, 2007
  15. catrina m

    catrina m Senior Member PABaccred

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    The only RTG I play at is INETBET

    but not in over a month.

    Tired of losing money with no comps. Bet your house and you might get $100 managers bonus with a max cashout.

    You have to bet $5000 to get a $5 bonus. Do that in a brick and mortar and you get a room with breakfast lunch and dinner.

    Th brick and mortars pay a huge electricity bill, water bill, cleaning crew, and a lot of maintenence. Not to mention support staff you can look in the eye. And entertainment. A million other expenses. They still make a profit and pay out to winners.

    What exactly do online casino's have to shell out?

    Not much, compared to thier counterparts with valet parking.

    They could have ultra extravagant websites that entertain you but they don't.

    They just wan't the money and to answer your email whenever they fell like it. Or never answer it.


    I'll deposit online when the online casino's act like they want your buisness and really show it. These people have made millions if not billions and won't even hire decent help.

    I have seen the light and its not my computer monitor.
     
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  16. Aug 30, 2007
  17. SlotsWizard

    SlotsWizard Dormant account webmeister

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    Excellent post, with a great punchline at the end too!

    The things that make/made online casinos attractive are convenience (somewhat debatable), higher-paying slots (VERY debatable for the last year), better video poker paytables, table games that you can actually get into, and you can play them with smaller bets than what a B&M allows.

    My local B&M (Foxwoods) has slots that will clean you out quicker than a colonic cocktail, and their video poker paytables aren't much better, thanks to the lack of competition. They have big bingo every now and then but you can rarely win, and if you do, you'll have to split with a ton of people. The one time I bingoed on a big game ($7,000) I only got $59 because there were 120 friggin' winners in all.

    But online casinos will never be able to match the comps that B&Ms hand out. Foxwoods gives you $1 for every $90 wagered on slots, which can be used to buy things in the stores and restaurants, or you can redeem 25% of that as cash back (well, you can redeem half your total points as half of that amount in cash, so if you have 100 points you can redeem that for $25 and be left with 50 points that you can buy food with, etc).

    Online you have to wager $1,000 on SLOTS just to get a freakin' $1, and even then they usually hold it hostage until you reach $5 or $10 before they'll let you redeem them, as if you're really going to put them out of business with $1 or $2 in comps.
     
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  18. Aug 30, 2007
  19. iNetBet Promos

    iNetBet Promos Accredited Casino Representative

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    Hi Guys,

    Just to repeat what has been said in previous threads, we have not and never would alter the payouts on our machines.

    On average our slot machines pay out at around 95-96%, as is illustrated on our website.

    There are numerous players winning with us all the time, just because they do not post their wins on this forum does not mean people are not winning. I am sorry if some of you guys are not having the best of luck...but that as they say is gambling.

    If you take a look at our You must register/login in order to see the link. you will see that there are many recent winners within the past few weeks. To take an example one lucky member won over $70,000 from an $8 deposit. Far from "tight" I am sure you would agree.

    Just today another player hit the Derby Dollars Random Jackpot for nearly $10,000 from a $20 deposit and a $1 bet.

    So as you can see the slots are paying out. In fact the past few weeks they have been paying out more than ever.

    So for those of you having a dry spell I hope your luck changes. Those of you winning, keep up the good work :thumbsup:

    Best Regards
    iNetBet Promos
     
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  20. Aug 30, 2007
  21. mrracetrack

    mrracetrack Dormant account

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    Posted by iNetBet promos:


    What those statements above fail to show... is that for every person that has one of those "huge" scores... there are hundreds and probably thousands of players who are quickly losing their $30 - $50 - $100 deposits... and THAT is what is used to allow these few lucky players to have those "big scores".

    With the stated fact that you claim of slot payouts being "95-96%"... there obviously will have to be a very high amount of "losers" to offset those big one time payouts.

    It now becomes a lot clearer to me why there have been so many people posting about how quickly they lose their money at RTG casinos... :eek:

    At least what you posted about iNetBet casino and the slot payouts makes some sense now.
     
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  22. Aug 30, 2007
  23. mikepipe

    mikepipe Dormant account

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    Thats the point!

    The market has to show them where they should go.

    sinking turnover will help them to correct their payout rstio.
     
  24. Aug 30, 2007
  25. iNetBet Promos

    iNetBet Promos Accredited Casino Representative

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    mrracetrack,

    I would like to clarify a few points:

    Random generators in the games do not work as you have stated; they have no knowledge of previous results.

    A prior outcome has no bearing at all on any future result. A large payout does not affect future results for that specific player, the game return for all players or any other event in the casino. It is simply a single event in the course of millions that we transact every day.

    There is no memory in the game or in the casino software.

    The way all Las Vegas style machines are set up is to have an expected payout percentage. This reflects only what the average payout of the machine will be over millions of spins and dollars wagered. This is the same throughout the industry, be this at RTG, other online providers such as MG or in land based casinos.

    The nature of how these games work means that there are no guaranteed returns to the casino in a short span of time.

    We offer a payback percentage that is fair to all. It allows us to operate a profitable business and gives every player has the same chance of winning through a wide variety of games.

    Not everybody is as lucky as the players mentioned in my previous post. However I must reiterate that their results in no way influence anybody else’s play with us.

    The games we provide are fair.

    If members are not enjoying their experience please remember that no one is under any obligation to play in our casino. We thank those that do and respect those who choose not to.

    I hope that this post will be my final one on this topic and I wish everyone the best of luck wherever they chose to play.

    iNetBet Promos
     
  26. Aug 30, 2007
  27. happygobrokey

    happygobrokey Dormant account

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    how many decks are used in your table games? a former rtg manager has said it's possible to change on the fly anywhere between 1-255 decks. i understand you at inetbet don't change this, but what is it set at? thanks. :thumbsup:
     
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  29. Atlanta

    Atlanta Banned User - player fraud - violation of <a href=

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    You go, girl! You are really all fired up! Never seen this before out of you :thumbsup:
     
  30. Aug 30, 2007
  31. Atlanta

    Atlanta Banned User - player fraud - violation of <a href=

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    I BET you won't post how many people have deposit and how much they have lost. In the same period that you're praising the $70,000 winner. I hate when you make it seems like the casinos are losing when you have 1 big winner and 10000 losers. Something is not right down the pipelines. Either you guys are fixing the games or they are being fixed from RTG itself and then being fed the rigged RNG to your servers.
     
  32. Aug 30, 2007
  33. Rusty

    Rusty Banned User - repetitive flaming

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    My luck changed at inetbet but I had to close my account for it to happen.
    So someone won a randon jackpot this year whoopiedoo.
    95% my arse.
    For me it is all RTG Casinos that are very tight not just inet and at least their CS is generally responsive.
    I love the games but the software should be rogued because despite what RTG casinos state the software does have memory and past results and probably even your account balance are taken into account.
    That is why you will find the scatter/wild symbols go AWOL after a decent feature.
    Don't trust what I or RTG casinos say just go off your own experience.
     
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  34. Aug 30, 2007
  35. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

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    Just a quick comment on the original post;

    If you were setting out to 'rob' players with 'rigged' software would you really program it so they never won anything half decent on the slots, but just watched all their money disappear before their eyes?
    I certainly wouldn't!
    Only 'hit & run' rogues would do such a stupid thing.
    I would want to give them some nice (but not too big) wins to keep them interested, give them good playing time for their money & keep them coming back again & again...

    Most here already know I'm certainly not the biggest fan of RTG software, and am as peed off as anyone at the low returns you sometimes get & by the fact the casinos can tweak the %'s.
    But 'rigged' software...? I don't think so.

    Just my 2c.
     
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  36. Aug 30, 2007
  37. AudiManinBoro

    AudiManinBoro Ueber Meister MM

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    33000 spent and no bonus! Hmm ill just say that AGAIN. 33000 spent and no bonus. Id do something if i were you inetbet and fast, at the rate of customer loss you must surely be experiencing, i wouldnt value your chances much of being here this time next year.....
     
  38. Aug 30, 2007
  39. lojo

    lojo Banned User - repetitive violations of <a href="ht

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    Definitely sounds like fun mode <sic> '644 $100 spins and potentially $33,000'

    BS

    A hit and run basher is what we're looking at here... makes accusations and never backs them up http://www.casinomeister.com/forums...-inetbet-what-disappointment-they-tubing.html

    @Atlanta and Rusty (ol pal :)) if you think they are rigged keep your money out of them.
    +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    For people who don't know how slots work, here's a discussion between enzo@3Dice and me a few months ago. It will apply to all fair slots:

    Enzo said, ...So, I wont go out of my way and claim that there is no reason that any sw provider wouldn't do things as described here, they can come and tell you themselves if they like.


    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lojo
    The RNG feeds the program a number (most programs retrieve this at spin button being 'pushed')


    Correct.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lojo
    Program has a mathematical formula based on longterm payout percentage that will, over time, payback 95% if house edge is 5%


    Correct. The 'formula' is that an occurance of 1/x pays (x*houseedge*betsize). In other words if a win category represents half the possible combinations, it pays out _nearly_ 2 times the betsize.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lojo
    Some symbols pay more than others because they are more rare


    Correct.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lojo
    Low variance games give many small returns to achieve EV
    High variance games give fewer but larger paybacks to achieve the same EV


    Correct. Although better worded as low variance games have wincategories that on average contain more combinations. (and thus because of the previous rules, happen more often but payout less.)

    An extreme example would be a single wheel slot with 100 symbols (lets assume the nrs 1->100). A setup with a variance of 0 would mean we define only one wincategory. If its a number you win 0.95*betsize. This would mean you win all the time, but have to pay house-edge on each bet.

    It would be a high variance slot if we say there's one wincategory with one combination : e.g. the number '1' wins 95. Both setups have the same reels, symbols, RNG and houseedge.

    Interesting sidenote here is that a variance of 0 means you can not get lucky, and are simply paying for entertainment. A very high variance means you can get lucky, but as the sample shows, you'll still be paying the same amount for the entertainment.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lojo
    RNG is not concerned with how many lines, how many coins, nor their denominations. It is not interacting at all with the program except to feed a number when called for.


    Correct. There is no need for a casino to do this. Since they get to choose the reel size, layout and wincategories, they have all the tools they need to get a specific percentage at the desired variance.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lojo
    A fair program is not concerned either, it will produce the same screen results when I bet one cent one line or $5 per line on all 15 lines.


    Correct, once again no motivation for the casino to do anything like that. It doesnt make a difference for the maths. House-edge is house-edge.

    Quote:
    Originally Posted by lojo
    The program only uses my bet size and lines wagered to calculate my payback


    Correct.

    In conclusion, yes you have pretty much answered your own question, and in the case of 3Dice you can safely assume that this is the exact scenario.
     

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