New Slot Announcement Roshtein Megaways by GameArt

[colinsunderland]

Looks like Rizk have told nick off for his arrogance yesterday, he is only YT streaming now.

oh no, looks like I wasn't wrong then
/waits for his apology on his next video/

 

[colinsunderland]

Just watched the start of the stream, saying Rizk make the rules, er no they don't, they follow them. Saying he is getting in touch with the UKGC to find out about the rules, as theres loads of misinformation going round at the moment, no there isn't, the documents are there, the links are even in this thread, just read them and follow the rules. For once they aren't even hard to understand ffs.

 

[Spikie]

From what I have seen Nickslots is an arrogant bellend, not sure why anybody would watch him for fun or entertainment.

 

[pinnit2014]

Yeah, I feel sorry for the mirrors in his house.

 

[dunover]

OK, to clarify as there seems to be some doubt still about this. I was told in no uncertain terms today to age gate my YT channel by an affiliate manager, despite the fact that I never promote or stream his brands there. Just the fact that my channel links to my homepage where they are represented, is enough. So all my videos regarding slots, reviews and gambling are now only viewable on YT by verified 18+ YT members. This may seem excessive as no brand imaging or marketing takes place on my YT plus they were all listed as 'not for kids' anyway but even a tenuous association is considered enough to warrant this. It is what it is, the aff programmes pay the money and they call the shots as is their responsibility as licensees. So total age-gating it is and there can be no doubt the LCCP (6) is now enforced to the severest extent of any interpretation.

I have made an enquiry about the wording to remove doubt - this is the crucial paragraph:

• A requirement that organic YouTube content produced by an operator and operators’ own YouTube channels must be age-restricted to 18+ to ensure users log in to age-verified accounts in order to view content. •

So some may read this as only applying to operator/licensee created content.

Wrong. The UKGC and LCCP clearly state (although not mentioned in this update, as it goes without saying) that the licensee is responsible for their business partners' activities too (i.e. paid affiliates/marketers) and they are considered part of the operator's business. Therefore, you are acting on behalf of the operator and must adhere to these updates.

Feel free to e-mail the UKGC and clarify this yourselves if in any doubt. So it turns out my actions in age-gating even all my non-promotional videos was the correct course of action, being a business partner of numerous licensees.

Do this, you will have nothing to worry about. Don't, it could well come back and bite you and your partner casinos on the arse.

 

[neilw]

How long will it be before we are required to Age Gate our websites?

 

[ThomasMT]

@L&L-Jan Another one of your affiliates not following the rules of age-gating

Jimbo Casino

 

[9HOURSAWAY]

OK, to clarify as there seems to be some doubt still about this. I was told in no uncertain terms today to age gate my YT channel by an affiliate manager, despite the fact that I never promote or stream his brands there. Just the fact that my channel links to my homepage where they are represented, is enough. So all my videos regarding slots, reviews and gambling are now only viewable on YT by verified 18+ YT members. This may seem excessive as no brand imaging or marketing takes place on my YT plus they were all listed as 'not for kids' anyway but even a tenuous association is considered enough to warrant this. It is what it is, the aff programmes pay the money and they call the shots as is their responsibility as licensees. So total age-gating it is and there can be no doubt the LCCP (6) is now enforced to the severest extent of any interpretation.

I have made an enquiry about the wording to remove doubt - this is the crucial paragraph:

• A requirement that organic YouTube content produced by an operator and operators’ own YouTube channels must be age-restricted to 18+ to ensure users log in to age-verified accounts in order to view content. •

So some may read this as only applying to operator/licensee created content.

Wrong. The UKGC and LCCP clearly state (although not mentioned in this update, as it goes without saying) that the licensee is responsible for their business partners' activities too (i.e. paid affiliates/marketers) and they are considered part of the operator's business. Therefore, you are acting on behalf of the operator and must adhere to these updates.

Feel free to e-mail the UKGC and clarify this yourselves if in any doubt. So it turns out my actions in age-gating even all my non-promotional videos was the correct course of action, being a business partner of numerous licensees.

Do this, you will have nothing to worry about. Don't, it could well come back and bite you and your partner casinos on the arse.

Baring in mind the foul language used during a typical Bonanza session on your channel mate I reckon it should be age gated at least 25...LOL

 

[irish-ranger]

Baring in mind the foul language used during a typical Bonanza session on your channel mate I reckon it should be age gated at least 25...LOL

Bonanza could turn the pope himself into a fucking nutter

 

[onelastspintowinbig]

Great work colinsunderland I hope you get justice in the end, you have put a lot of your own time into this .

 

[BrianGhattas]

Please don’t mock nickslots. We don’t want him coming in here again like he did years ago. He has a lot of insecurities, you know.

 

[irish-ranger]

Please don’t mock nickslots. We don’t want him coming in here again like he did years ago. He has a lot of insecurities, you know.

He's an irriting prick ya couldn't like him if you brought him up ffs

 

[Harry_BKK]

In the meantime, Roshtein was seen.....

In a quick search, I counted roughly about 100 casinos who list the game, including MGA-licensed casinos, e.g. 18bet(dot)com. I am sure there are dozens or even 100s more. Many have only a few Megaways slots, so it will be played.

 

[colinsunderland]

I don't actually dislike streamers, as long as they follow the same rules as everyone else. What I do hate is when they ignore the rules, as if they are better than everyone else.

He said on stream, people on here are wrong. He said he would continue to stream until told not to. Thats despite the new rules being widely publicised, and being very clear. There was no grey area. You must not stream without age verification. Twitch doesn't have it, therefore you cannot stream on there. That is simple to understand and only an idiot wouldn't.

When you work in an industry you should be expected to know and follow the rules. If he worked in a shop, would he shoplift, because no one had said 'do not steal'? If he worked in McDonalds would he spit in food because no one had said 'do not spit in food'? Of course not. So why does he think, just because Rizk hadn't specifically told him 'Do not stream on Twitch' that he could? Because he's an arrogant idiot who thinks he can do what he wants. Took me about an hour to change that.

Actions like his can affect both players and other affiliates. If he had continued, the UKGC would have, in time, went after Rizk. They would have given them a multi million £ penalty. We have seen in the past, casinos leave the UK, or close affiliate programs because they got the large penalty or were scared to get one in the future. So affiliates promoting to the UK, who have rev share from Rizk (and any other casino who leaves because of it), lose out as all their UK customers suddenly can't play there any more. Or they close the affiliate program with the same outcome. Affiliates like @Casinomeister as an example, who have promoted Rizk since launch, suddenly lose a large chunk of their income. That then starts moving to the effect it has on players.

Without income, then player portals such as this will likely disappear. Yes, one casino closing won't make that happen, but multiple ones could. Without portals such as this, players lose access to reps. players lose access to services like the PAB service. They lose access to free unbiased reviews etc etc.

Players also lose any achievement's that they have gained on that casino. Imagine playing Lil Devil up to 39 hearts at £5 a spin, then the casino you have done it on, closes. It also creates a situation, where there is less competition, therefore you get less for your money. Lower RTP's, less bonuses etc.

If people want to watch him, it takes literally 2 minutes to get age verified with google (therefore youtube), so there shouldn't be any problem changing platform.

Arrogant idiots who think the rules don't apply to them cause a lot of problems.

@maxd any chance of splitting the thread please

 

[Mining Might]

@rizkaffiliatemanager here is another non compliant streamer with links to casino chaos and betsson group casinos streaming today on twitch
and promoting hyper casino @L&L-Jan @RyanABC

 

[Davey86]

I’d be pissed off with my Malta mates and buisness venture partner casino who bought half of my company and has not either passed on information or doesn’t care about it all the way out in Malta, so get rid of a streamer for being honest saying he took casino money with no chance of a withdrawal but let a streamer not care about the rules?

 

[Davey86]

Would a rizk affiliate manager really come on here and talk about their number 1 U.K. market streamer I highly doubt it

 

[ThomasMT]

Had a look on Twitch tonight and there were loads of UK streamers promoting Rizk and All British Casino.

Apparently @L&L-Jan group is still encouraging it?

 

[irish-ranger]

Had a look on Twitch tonight and there were loads of UK streamers promoting Rizk and All British Casino.

Apparently @L&L-Jan group is still encouraging it?
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I've said it before and I'll say it again online gambling is stinking to the core it wipes people of there morals and and self respect.
Its no different than the illegal drugs industry (apart from it being legal in most countries) the ones who pay the price are the end user with all those above getting their slice of the pie.
It wasn't a month ago we had nick from BTG telling us playing slots should be fun we'll if that's the case why dosnt he make the min bet 1p and the max bet 10p on his slots?.
Nope he does the opposite encouraging people to spend more money by collecting hearts and all that bollocks on kin with a chemist working for the cartels trying to make their product more potent..
Even our fucking government dont have the swingers to ban it out right or they would also miss out on their backhanders and legal slice of the pie.

 

[Harry_BKK]

Careful what you say, he'll sue you:

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Getting the thread back on track as I did not post earlier about the underlying issues.

I find it again funny and slightly hypocritical for the way GameArt is being discussed. FTR, I do not approve of their past behaviour in any way (demo games spiked, MGA blunder).

- For years, everyone in the industry - casinos, aggregators and affiliates - were fine with promoting casinos with an MGA licence yet it was sufficient to have a single game under said licence and the rest could come from any source, even Mars or Jupiter. Nobody bothered about it, nada, zilch, zip. Do we know how many players have been shafted by what looked like reputable casinos?

- Play'n GO and other so-called "reputable" providers regularly do not show their RTP in the help files when they are offered at "grey-market" and unregulated casinos. To make matters worse, Play'n GO etc offer customizable RTPs, up to a paltry 84.xx% range. So, players who saw the game at a regulated casino with a 96.xx% RTP were often playing it at the other casinos with a much lower RTP and the game providers aided them in hiding the fact. These are major providers who have an exponentially larger market share than GameArt. Do we know how many players have been shafted by these so-called reputable providers?

- BTG decides who gets a licence or sublicence (I think GameArt got it via iSoftBet or 1x2 Gaming as there was no public announcement about them signing one directly). So, BTG was fine with it up until the title was released and they received some backlash on social media and forums. The mere change to Rosh instead of Roshtein is purely cosmetic. All seems acceptable as long as the $$$ keep flowing.

- @dunover , the website you mentioned in your post, boasted that they removed all casinos who offer GameArt slots in a move to project some kind of divine integrity, yet the banner on top of the very article about GameArt advertises Tsars as a top casino, who carry the entire catalogue from GameArt. Plus, he has Playamo, Betamo, etc. all with GameArt slots and top-casino rating. I am pretty sure any affs who commented on those pages did not stop promoting such casinos either.

- The game itself is actually not too bad as it has multiple features that have not been seen on Megaways slots so far, albeit it has a ridiculously high volatility. I am quite convinced that with any other title the game would have received very different feedback. Apparently, it has an RTP of 96.15%. I am still waiting to receive confirmation for that.

- To sum it up, I find this "storm-in-a-teacup" pitchfork brigading either here or on other forums rather hilarious. None of us who work in this industry, openly promoting gambling (responsible or not) be it as a casino operator, game provider, streamer, content writer, affiliate or anything else related, are divine angels in any shape or form.

 

[maxd]

@maxd any chance of splitting the thread please

Sure, but you'll have to clue me in. What split are we talking about? Along what subjects?

 

[Kroffe]

- To sum it up, I find this "storm-in-a-teacup" pitchfork brigading either here or on other forums rather hilarious. None of us who work in this industry, openly promoting gambling (responsible or not) be it as a casino operator, game provider, streamer, content writer, affiliate or anything else related, are divine angels in any shape or form.

Well there are different tiers.
All perfectly explained here in my picture.
Top is non-affiliate land, and below is affiliate-land.

 

[Slottery]

Would be interesting to know what kind of and how big team they have working around these LCCP:s etc... regarding promoting gambling. With all these efforts, starting from remove content which could be attractrive for underage (or under 10 years age who still love their cartoons) and now these age gatings (and other few hundred tweaks done on the road), i'm sure that problem gambling doesn't exist in UK anymore after older people who have been already ruined before these great innovative restrictions is passed away and new generation who grown with these rules and control is educated enough not to touch single slot in their lives.

UKGC sounds exactly the place where you can have nice cool ok paid safe job without too much pressure (you don't have to make profits or run successful business etc...), just new great ideas which looks good in paper for fight against problem gambling and in practice is impossible to measure.

 

[colinsunderland]

Sure, but you'll have to clue me in. What split are we talking about? Along what subjects?

From about post 169 to the end, apart from Harry's post above yours, the thread has been about the new rules regarding streaming and Youtube, and streamers/casinos breaching the LCCP by ignoring them. Maybe they could be split off and called something along the lines of 'New UK rules regarding Youtube and Twitch promotion'?

 

[L&L-Jan]

@Mining Might @ThomasMT it is weekend, we will check this tomorrow, also F1 is about to begin.

 

[Davey86]

@Mining Might @ThomasMT it is weekend, we will check this tomorrow, also F1 is about to begin.

Surely the rules don’t have the weekend off :axeman2:

 

[Kroffe]

@Mining Might @ThomasMT it is weekend, we will check this tomorrow, also F1 is about to begin.

Did you hear about the F1 accident that happened recently?
Ill hide it so sensitive people dont accidentally see it.
Its pretty gruesome stuff.

Spoiler: F1 Accident

 

[thr0b]

Jesus. We don't need that snuff here :/

 

[Kroffe]

Sorry, but i did add a warning.
I know its not pleasant to watch, but it is the reality of what can happen when things go really bad.

 

[irish-ranger]

Oh lord help us he's gonna have the nation lottery up shit Street without a paddle next

 

[Guntis]

Oh lord help us he's gonna have the nation lottery up shit Street without a paddle next


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This shit's becoming truly disgusting

 

[Mining Might]

This guy really is the pits.

 

[interlog]

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I like how your recommendations link to this classic clip. It makes me literally laugh out loud every single time:



Link to Youtube as it can't be embedded: httpx://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PFRdEUN240

 

[Davey86]

But do you know who it is? Ronnie f@*king Pickering

 

[Davey86]

But do you know who it is? Ronnie f@*king Pickering

The Wealdstone raider classic also

 

[maxd]

From about post 169 to the end, apart from Harry's post above yours, the thread has been about the new rules regarding streaming and Youtube, and streamers/casinos breaching the LCCP by ignoring them. ...

Thank you for the info. I'll look into it.

 

[Kroffe]

But do you know who it is? Ronnie f@*king Pickering

Thank you for reminding me about Ronnie F*cking Pickering.

 

[Davey86]

Thank you for reminding me about Ronnie F*cking Pickering.

But he’s Ronnie Pickering

 

[colinsunderland]

A lot of non uk streamers have banners that geo-target when you click them. For example, Leovegas, banner is in euros, but you click it and it takes you to the UK site.
That type of things needs addressing quickly by the casinos.

 

[Davey86]

Funny most of them read the forum as guests nearly everyday get most of their information from casinomeister and a certain few would be f*%ked if it wasn’t for the info on here!

 

[pinnit2014]

Funny most of them read the forum as guests nearly everyday get most of their information from casinomeister and a certain few would be f*%ked if it wasn’t for the info on here!

Old Nick should be thanking people here as apparently he can't actually read. Maybe he can donate some of the money he'll save from actually complying to another charity, or even, the Remarkable Thread.

Quite a precious little soul.

 

[colinsunderland]

awwww real tears from the arseholes who can't read.

Maybe I should point out section 62 to the operators too and ask why affiliate accounts haven't been terminated, then refer it to the UKGC and see what reasons the casinos have for not doing so.

62. Compliance with the above is expected to be managed by way of a contractual obligation to comply with a Code of Conduct for the affiliate party. Operators are expected to terminate relationships with affiliates who cannot/do not comply, preferably on a one strike and you’re out rule.

Strangely all the affiliates mentioned earlier in this thread seem to still have the agreements active.

 

[dunover]

Funny most of them read the forum as guests nearly everyday get most of their information from casinomeister and a certain few would be f*%ked if it wasn’t for the info on here!

LOL...bitter posts from people who resent their antics being exposed by people who have forgotten more than they will ever learn.

 

[interlog]

The cheek from Blackcatseven who co-owns bigwinboard, that has previously used Casinomeister as a source for an article on their affiliate website.

Oh the ironing!

httpx://www.bigwinboard.com/casino-community-in-heated-debates-over-controversial-casino-streamers/

 

[Davey86]

LOL...bitter posts from people who resent their antics being exposed by people who have forgotten more than they will ever learn.

Funny isn’t 6 U.K. streamers have taken to their public social media accounts and publicly bashed Casinomeister’s forum? Imagine if they spent more time keeping up to date with the ever changing regulations as they do with this forum :axeman2:

 

[Davey86]

The cheek from Blackcatseven who co-owns bigwinboard, that has previously used Casinomeister as a source for an article on their affiliate website.

Oh the ironing!

httpx://www.bigwinboard.com/casino-community-in-heated-debates-over-controversial-casino-streamers/

He thought he was popular once

 

[interlog]

He thought he was popular once

He wasn't too bad a streamer to be honest back in the day.

Another article on his other website, the source of which was Casinomeister:

httpx://www.bigwinboard.com/jammin-jars-twitch-streamers/

 

[dunover]

He wasn't too bad a streamer to be honest back in the day.

Another article on his other website, the source of which was Casinomeister:

httpx://www.bigwinboard.com/jammin-jars-twitch-streamers/

I thought you were going to mention all the SEO clickbait BS promising free-play demos, when, er... there aren't any!

 

[Davey86]

We seem to be attacking? how in this world with everything going on can someone turn something nothing!!!! (unpopular and facts) into being attacked
If you have an opinion or a fact state it guest!!!! But if fabrication is your thing then I will quote my above post

 

[Davey86]

I think the worst affiliate website and not modern award should go to casinomeister this year considering it is so damn popular with other affiliates and streamer/affiliates at the moment