Roshstein outed himself as fake?

[IM_SPORTS]

btw roshtein starts every single game out of view of the viewer. he drags in the game after it has loaded and he does that for every single game.
most likely to avoid the viewer seeing that he is clicking on the practice mode every time.

 

[paul7388]

Goodness grief, we've already done this, the mouse pointer is clearly over PRACTICE when the screen moves from the lobby to loading the game.

I tried to replicate what is seen in Roshtein's video at N1 myself and I simply couldn't do it.

Slow the YouTube video down to 0.25x speed, the pointer is over PRACTICE.

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No you have decided that. But maybe your PC is different from many others.

I can not play N1 casino but out of every site i have if i click Real i can still move my cursor before screen disappears and game loads.

As others have also pointed out just because it is over PRACTICE as game loads that does not PROVE that REAL never got clicked like it appears to have.

Maybe you are right. But just because you cannot replicate a press on REAL and have the cursor move does not mean it is impossible.

Every site i have tried i sure as hell can. So Goodness grief we have not settled this conclusively.

 

[irish-ranger]

btw roshtein starts every single game out of view of the viewer. he drags in the game after it has loaded and he does that for every single game.
most likely to avoid the viewer seeing that he is clicking on the practice mode every time.

No way the rep said he plays with real money it must be true cos we all know the online gambling industry is as straight as a dye

 

[nikantw]

Goodness grief, we've already done this, the mouse pointer is clearly over PRACTICE when the screen moves from the lobby to loading the game.

I tried to replicate what is seen in Roshtein's video at N1 myself and I simply couldn't do it.

Slow the YouTube video down to 0.25x speed, the pointer is over PRACTICE.

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I did a better thing, downloaded the video and had it frame by frame. You see the pic, it happens less than a sec before the game opens.
The mouse returned over "practice" but the real had already been pressed. Its the only thing that makes sense.
Remember that all his play is in real mode and you can ask game providers to confirm that (at least for that stream).

 

[homerbert]

Hey guys

Let me try to repeat some facts (prove me wrong, please. It's been 16 pages, and I already thinking about writing to Rosh in regards to some payment for this free advertising)..

1) Roshtein account is real play account. As any our other customer account. He do not play in practice mode, he do not use any fun chips. It's just regular account, with regular transactions (okay, huge, but still - like any other transactions). Please, continue with your 'body language' statements. Seriously, sitting here and knowing that he indeed playing with real funds - it's SO MUCH fun reading statements about body language))))

2) We was not able to replicate issue. It's true. No idea what happened, and based on the amount of customers we have daily, and based on amount of unique players - I do not think there is any problem at all. I'm not going to push QA team to work million of hours in order to find out what happened. They have more important job.

3) Once again. Accept it or not. Watch Roshtein, or not watch. He do not make anything illegal. He playing with the funds he can allow to himself to play. We have his SOW in order to make sure that he indeed can make such high bets and deposits.

If it's not ethical - okay, it's up to you. In my opinion, it's COMPLETELY unethical to FORCE anyone to make lower bets, to not stream, to blame for making high bets. If it's allowed -it's up to him. If he wants to play 1k bets and make 100k deposits per day - up to him. Since we are (as casino) know that:

a) he can afford it
b) he do not have problems with gambling.

You can make 100 more pages, I don't care personally. But it's pretty much funny that some people who hate / or dislike Rosh just make him more popular via this thread If you don't like it - don't watch it. If you think that by allowing him doing so high bets we are making bad and even awful job - okay, do not play with our brand if you want.

I'm personally more about providing our customers best possible experience and fastest possible withdrawals, then thinking 'Oh, what some of our streamers viewers will think about this streamer'. Don't forget it. N1 is not Rostein. Roshtein is not N1. He is just one among hundreds of our affiliates.

Hope this helps!

BR,

V.

 

[SpinUk]

well im sure he plays with fake money
either that or he gets 20000% deposit bonuses with huge wagering and he has to wager a big amount to withdraw and probably gets to withdraw say 1k euros if he deposits 100 euro etc.
so funny to watch his body language completely change 360 degress when he realizes that he just messed up.

of course n1 casino are going to say he is playing with real money what do you expect them to say.

But why bother with all that limitation and rules max cashputs etc. Just put him on a demo play account / “test account” and pay him his affiliate income. Job done. Granted its come tumbling down now as no one is interested in watching someone play “demo money” but thats exactly what it is. Was going to happen sooner or later getting caught.

 

[paul7388]

I did a better thing, downloaded the video and had it frame by frame. You see the pic, it happens less than a sec before the game opens.
The mouse returned over "practice" but the real had already been pressed. Its the only thing that makes sense.
Remember that all his play is in real mode and you can ask game providers to confirm that (at least for that stream).

I have said that several times as well Nikant. From watching it many times it sure as hell looks like REAL got pressed. You can see the finger click it as cursor leaves it to practice.

And any site out i play i know after clicking play game i can still move cursor before next page loads.

 

[nikantw]

Generally speaking about RG and streamers, I have no problem with total ban or super-regulation to the point that most streams will look identical.

But its not important if you ask me.
I mean, It is like not allowing kids see car commercials. The importand thing is to learn how to drive and get a license before you get a car.

That is how I see gambling. People need education, they need some short of "slotting lessons" and why not a license before they can gamble!

 

[irish-ranger]

This isn't now about whether or not Roshtein was playing with fake or 'semi-real' money (because it's not true real money if he's getting constant big reload bonuses of 300% and isn't subject to max bet limits), the debate now IMO is about the moral degeneracy of a casino and streamer working hand-in-hand to advertise a form of gambling that would bankrupt most of the population within a couple of hours if they ever tried it themselves.

Great video it just about sums this matter up
and it is only a matter of time before the UKGC set their sights firmly on streamers etc .

 

[alcatraz]

@homerbert isn’t avoiding anything. He’s said many times that the guy is playing with real money and a normal account.

Whether you believe him or not is a different matter.

Does he have a reason to lie? And would the consequences of being found to be lying be worse than telling the truth? I think they would be significantly worse. So why lie?

I believe @homerbert on this one. Happy to be proven wrong, but so far the one person with access to the facts has made his case. Everyone else is just guessing.

Well thats not the Point. The Video linked up by "@ChopleyIOM" is the right approach to the matter.
The problem is sitting much deeper than a single person could reflect.

By "avoiding" i am referring to the matter of responsible gambling, not what he stated about the case at all. In fact i dont accuse the N1 Rep to lie.
I just criticize how he handles the matter at all even its pretty obvious whats happening in the video which is debated here.

 

[Slottery]

Why not just remove all links for potential sign-ups then, if they're not there to entice new sign-ups into repeating the same slot success? We could all heartily watch Roshstein & co slum it on 40p bets, or just high-stakes FUN Play. I'd watch that (I wouldn't)

"Don't try this at home" banner, like some TV-shows are warning watchers when there some people do crazy stuff

 

[Glassheart]

This is going to surpass that pesky roulette thread isnt it?

 

[trancemonkey]

I honestly think this is sheer hypocrisy. If any streamer plays your game at high stake it’s immediately raising the game profile and will undoubtedly lead to more players playing and an increase in revenue.
What you are basically saying is “we are only making the guns, we aren’t forcing anyone to fire them “.
And is anyone who plays at low stakes really going to increase their stakes by 100 x just because they see a streamer? Most people have more sense than that, and if someone does decide to do it they must be responsible.
And as others have said if the makers were in any way bothered by RG they would limit stakes to a max of a tenner .

You clearly havent seen, heard, or been part of the sheer horrific stories of people doing utterly ridiculous things when it comes to gambling. People who would get there salary (cash in hand), walk in to a bookies and blow it all in an hour playing at £20, £30 or more a spin on Roulette. And when you ask them why, some say "I saw this guy doing it and walk out with thousands".

Well, I have been part of GA talks, RG courses and the like ans YES people do try and copy what they see online because they think they will also win £25k by betting £50.

It starts with "I'll just do 10 spins at 50 quid, I can afford 500" to "I didnt get a win in that 500, so I tried again"

I cant believe how naive some of you are on here with regards to what some people (yes a minority) will do to themselves with very little encouragement.

 

[trancemonkey]

I honestly think this is sheer hypocrisy. If any streamer plays your game at high stake it’s immediately raising the game profile and will undoubtedly lead to more players playing and an increase in revenue.
What you are basically saying is “we are only making the guns, we aren’t forcing anyone to fire them “.
And is anyone who plays at low stakes really going to increase their stakes by 100 x just because they see a streamer? Most people have more sense than that, and if someone does decide to do it they must be responsible.
And as others have said if the makers were in any way bothered by RG they would limit stakes to a max of a tenner .

That's a bullshit argument... what is RG for one person is completely different for another in terms if bet levels. But if I am seen to actively encourage (either directly or indirectly) stake levels that most other people cant afford, then this is a problem. Or do you disagree?

Again, what choose to do in my own house is up to me - although yea of course people can be irresponsible in their own homes.

 

[Jono777]

Why not take a break all (and you Jon!) and enjoy the bank holiday

 

[trancemonkey]

I'm going to leave this thread now... I've said my piece.

Some people here are naive enough to think people cant be encouraged by streamers.

Some think it's the game providers fault for allowed big stakes.

Some think it's real money for Roshstein. Some think it's all a con.

We will likely never really know the truth of what Roshsteins deal is, but I can tell you now, I dont believe he is rich enough to gamble at those levels AND get standard bonuses that any normal person can get AND do it day in day out.

But I will also admit I have no idea how much affiliates like him can earn.

But I still believe, personal opinion, that he is not gambling responsibly.

 

[paul7388]

You clearly havent seen, heard, or been part of the sheer horrific stories of people doing utterly ridiculous things when it comes to gambling. People who would get there salary (cash in hand), walk in to a bookies and blow it all in an hour playing at £20, £30 or more a spin on Roulette. And when you ask them why, some say "I saw this guy doing it and walk out with thousands".

Well, I have been part of GA talks, RG courses and the like ans YES people do try and copy what they see online because they think they will also win £25k by betting £50.

It starts with "I'll just do 10 spins at 50 quid, I can afford 500" to "I didnt get a win in that 500, so I tried again"

I cant believe how naive some of you are on here with regards to what some people (yes a minority) will do to themselves with very little encouragement.

I know what you are saying and can agree.

But you mention Roulette. Now unlike slots show me anywhere where people normally play 20p a spin on Roulette.

Yet there are plenty of Roulette videos online and many films etc. show roulette getting played at high stakes.

So really if someone is that addicted they want to bet on something as they have saw it then anything to do with roulette should not be available either.

The average Roulette stake or Blackjack etc. will all be much higher than any stake on a slot. Maybe i am also naive but i can not see why slots are worse than Roulette.

Even the FOBT'S it was mainly roulette not slots that people played.

Very few films , TV shows etc. will you see anyone playing real high stake slots. Same can not be said for Roulette.

Not trying to be a bitch here lol for once i just think that if you want to gamble high stakes you will. So if you are saying Slot's should not be streamed etc. then why are they worse when there are thousands of Roulette videos on YT and many streamers play it at high stakes as well.

 

[Scott1baird]

@homerbert this is so easy to sort out. Can you not just make a video recreating this incident? It would take what five minutes? Easy done zap zap. Until that video is made by You then as far as I am concerned N1 is providing Roshtien with a very Special account that no one else is allowed. I think you should make his account the exact same as all the customers he is pulling in for you. Max bet €5 with a bonus and such, what you are doing is actually unethical and should be stopped Now.

 

[paul7388]

Why not take a break all (and you Jon!) and enjoy the bank holiday

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Because it is not a Scottish Bank Holiday lol. In saying that tho i get tomorrow off as my work has English holidays. Total waste of time. But times are a changing. I even had an appointment for an MRI scan at 8.30 this morning on a Sunday when hospital should be closed yet get a holiday tomorrow when i should be working. The hospitals don't even do appointments that time during the week.

Anyway enjoy your Bank Holiday weekend.

 

[cncas2123]

You clearly havent seen, heard, or been part of the sheer horrific stories of people doing utterly ridiculous things when it comes to gambling. People who would get there salary (cash in hand), walk in to a bookies and blow it all in an hour playing at £20, £30 or more a spin on Roulette. And when you ask them why, some say "I saw this guy doing it and walk out with thousands".

Well, I have been part of GA talks, RG courses and the like ans YES people do try and copy what they see online because they think they will also win £25k by betting £50.

It starts with "I'll just do 10 spins at 50 quid, I can afford 500" to "I didnt get a win in that 500, so I tried again"

I cant believe how naive some of you are on here with regards to what some people (yes a minority) will do to themselves with very little encouragement.

I’m the person who was walking into the bookies and going £100 bets on roulette , nobody forced me to do it, i didn’t watch it on the internet, I made my own choice, and I did it because I could.
I wouldn’t encourage anyone to do it, but then again I wouldn’t be making slots with a capacity for £500 spins...... and anyone who has £500 can spend it on one spin.

 

[trancemonkey]

I’m the person who was walking into the bookies and going £100 bets on roulette , nobody forced me to do it, i didn’t watch it on the internet, I made my own choice, and I did it because I could.
I wouldn’t encourage anyone to do it, but then again I wouldn’t be making slots with a capacity for £500 spins...... and anyone who has £500 can spend it on one spin.

Again, missing my entire point...

 

[cncas2123]

Again, missing my entire point...

Sorry that I’m too uninformed to understand your point, but you have missed my point.
You are slagging off a streamer who plays high stakes , but you won’t accept that it’s his choice and it’s being facilitated by manufacturers who give the option to play at £500 a spin. If there’s a problem with streamers playing at high stakes then remove the ability at source. You make your living designing and working on games, and in my opinion it’s hypocritical to accuse anyone of being irresponsible when it’s your games that give him and others the opportunity to play those stakes.
BTW I’ve never watched a streamer , don’t see the point in it.

 

[trancemonkey]

Sorry that I’m too uninformed to understand your point, but you have missed my point.
You are slagging off a streamer who plays high stakes , but you won’t accept that it’s his choice and it’s being facilitated by manufacturers who give the option to play at £500 a spin. If there’s a problem with streamers playing at high stakes then remove the ability at source. You make your living designing and working on games, and in my opinion it’s hypocritical to accuse anyone of being irresponsible when it’s your games that give him and others the opportunity to play those stakes.
BTW I’ve never watched a streamer , don’t see the point in it.

Nothing to do with being uninformed, you are just not looking at it practically.

The gambling industry is highly regulated in what we can advertise. It has to be matter-of-fact (or irreverant) but what it can not do is give unrealistic views of gambling. Whether we offer high stakes or not is entirely independent on whether we ENCOURAGE people to use them.

And I would argue that Roshstein in particular is not showing a realistic form of gambling.

He is betting it ridiculous stakes.
But more importantly he is getting bonuses no one else would normally get, no max bet limits on those bonuses, and a whole host of other things mere mortals cannot ever hope to achieve.

These things are why he is dangerous, and far far more dangerous than a company is for simply having the option to bet high.

I dont like the idea of people betting £500 quid, but for some that's like us betting 50p.

Shit... I said I would not post. Dammit!

 

[Nicola]

But more importantly he is getting bonuses no one else would normally get, no max bet limits on those bonuses, and a whole host of other things mere mortals cannot ever hope to achieve.

It does seem unfair that pretty much all streamers get 100% or more match bonuses on nearly every deposit. As most of these are a parachute, it's an unfair advantage to start with.

 

[Mr_Slot5]

It does seem unfair that pretty much all streamers get 100% or more match bonuses on nearly every deposit. As most of these are a parachute, it's an unfair advantage to start with.

The thing is, there are decent streamers out there. The ones I moderate for tend to get sporadic bonuses with the same terms that everyone else does. I only tend to frequent these types of streams these days.

When I was new to streaming/twitch a couple of years back, I didn't really have an idea what it was all about. I soon learned though!