Rome Casino - Analysis

Their site states (pre-correction).

The maximum bonus is $200. This free bonus is added automatically upon your first deposit, so no coupon code is necessary. The bonus is available identically in all currencies - USD, GBP & EURO.

This means you get the bonus, even if you are using the "Simmo method".

You then have the trouble of asking CS to remove it to avoid 80x WR, or using it in the hope of striking lucky.

Rome casino clearly intended to deter "bonus hunters", although they may have overdone it with 80x on slots. It would have been better to have designed the software to take care of all the bonus playing strategies that have developed over the years, and had a more modest WR for the games.
Other software suppliers have done this, and no-one is better placed than a NEW software brand, with no legacy code to worry about.

One method would be to ensure the software recognises a bonus in the account, and modifying the lobby to ensure that banned games are disabled, or have them set with maximum bets low enough to prevent the strategy of betting high with the entire balance as a starting bet. They should also have a pop-up window for when players deposit and qualify for an automatic bonus. This should display the terms for the bonus, and two buttons, ACCEPT and DECLINE. Players using the "Simmo method" would have the "decline" button rather than having to ask CS to remove the bonus.

Loyal players should have more generous terms for any bonuses, as they will have demonstrated that they are there to play, and not just hunt the initial bonus. Advancement up the loyalty ladder should be clear to the player, based on something like comp points, with the levels set such that players could not simply "grind" their way to the top levels and bonuses by using the bonuses from lower levels in a process that is +EV
 
Heck, even 50x WR is more than enough, and 80x is absurd.

$500D + $500B (or any #, just an example):

$50,000 wagering * 98% payout (being generous) = $49,000 = $0 expected return.


80x:

$500D+$500B

$80,000 wagering * 98% payout = $78,400 = -$600 expected return.

Let's get more realistic with the WR, Rome...
 
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From their site: "In the interest of fair gaming in order to cash out any amount of money you must wager at least twelve (12) times your play bonus, plus the deposit unless specifically stipulated in writing by an approved representative of Rome Casino. Once you receive the bonus, you can not withdraw any amount from your account until you have met the wagering requirements. For example: Deposit $100 get $200 Free - minimum wager is $3600. Deposit $200 get $200 Free - minimum wager is $4800."
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From their site: "In the interest of fair gaming in order to cash out any amount of money you must wager at least twelve (12) times your play bonus, plus the deposit unless specifically stipulated in writing by an approved representative of Rome Casino. Once you receive the bonus, you can not withdraw any amount from your account until you have met the wagering requirements. For example: Deposit $100 get $200 Free - minimum wager is $3600. Deposit $200 get $200 Free - minimum wager is $4800."
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Well that's more like it.

Quite a move from 80xB to 12x D+B. It is also a PLAY bonus, so presumably cannot be cashed out, making 12x not all that generous anyway, but in line with many Playtech casinos, and around two thirds the WR for many RTG casinos using play bonuses.
 
Well that's more like it.

Quite a move from 80xB to 12x D+B. It is also a PLAY bonus, so presumably cannot be cashed out, making 12x not all that generous anyway, but in line with many Playtech casinos, and around two thirds the WR for many RTG casinos using play bonuses.

Yep...it's still -EV even at 12x...by about $8 once the bonus is removed. :rolleyes: (Assuming 97% payout)
 
It still doesnt change the fact the slots are a 3 dressed up as a nine, they look and play great but the pays sucks, the bonuses suck and the free spins totally suck, they need to increase the pay tables, add multipliers or whatever.
 
It still doesnt change the fact the slots are a 3 dressed up as a nine, they look and play great but the pays sucks, the bonuses suck and the free spins totally suck, they need to increase the pay tables, add multipliers or whatever.

To have any degree of success, they need to develop some new basic game ideas. Many casino operate "clones" of particular games, but get away with it because they have hundreds of slots, not just 9. Microgaming have been issuing clone after clone, and this has not gone unnoticed, or indeed without complaint. An early example are the numerous clones of the popular Thunderstruck slot, there are more than you would think. So far I have these.

Thunderstruck
Ladies Nite
Spring Break
Summertime
Agent Jane Blonde
International Casino Games
Belle Rock Slot
Fortune Lounge slot

Most think of only the first 4 ( 5 if they play at Grand Prive).

Loaded also has quite a few clones, including Palace Group Slot, and the New Sure Win slot.

Ho Ho Ho was cloned for Munchkins and Twister.
 
Quite a move from 80xB to 12x D+B. It is also a PLAY bonus, so presumably cannot be cashed out, making 12x not all that generous anyway, but in line with many Playtech casinos, and around two thirds the WR for many RTG casinos using play bonuses.
I can't see anywhere on the site that it says this is a phantom bonus - quite a key piece of information missing there. :mad:

Maybe the Rome rep will clear this up soon...?
 
True, but for the average Joe that doesn't know any better, they're going to lose 9 times out of 10 :oops:

Erm....I think that's probably a good idea if a casino wants to stay in business. If you ran a shop and half the people walked out with goods for free you'd get lots of free love, but you wouldn't be around long enough to enjoy it :D
 
Erm....I think that's probably a good idea if a casino wants to stay in business. If you ran a shop and half the people walked out with goods for free you'd get lots of free love, but you wouldn't be around long enough to enjoy it :D

What, by having absurd WR's? :confused:
 
Well Im not even really concerned about the bonuses etc at this point - the slots are just complete crap IMHO. Payouts are really poor and the bonus/free games setup stinks.

The download might be really fast, but I can tell u it also uninstalls very quickly :p
 
T & C's

...coming in on the end of this thread so excuse me....

You have to wonder my some of these casinos make is so hard for players to trust them. T&C's that go on forever or contradict themselves. Most of the time you need a Doctorate to understand them.

I have written some 'easy to understand' t&c's which casinos are welcome to adopt if they wish. Honestly, it will make things so much easier and I won't charge you for my time. Just copy and paste.

1. Please feel free to deposit any sum of money you wish at any time. The more the merrier. However, we won't let you withdraw more than $2k per month. For clarity, spend $10k and withdraw only $2k. It's only fair, we have to ensure our cashflow will be ok.

2. We hope you like the array of deposit options we have made available to you. The same options are not available for withdrawals. We pay by cheque on every 3rd Monday in months containing 30 days, every 2nd Tuesdays for months with 31 days. We do not pay during leap years months due to our servers being unable to recognise the date.

3. We will reward you with generous bonuses on a regular basis. At all times, playthroughs will prohibit you from being able to gain from these bonuses but please carry on depositing.

4. For your convenience, will not require ID for purchasing. For withdrawals, we reserve the right (but will always exercise the right) to request your passport, driving license, back / front of credit cards, statements and a testimonial from your lawyer that you are who you say you are. Due to the cunning nature of on-line fraud, this ID will be sent to a crack team of ex FBI specialists who will then process the data. They only work on Wednesdays and the normal turnaround is 1 - 3 weeks. Of course for your convenience, we will leave the money in your potentially fraudulent account whilst this information is verified. Finally on this note, is highly unlikely that we will receive your information first time. Please be prepared to re-send it on at least 3 further occasions.

5. All of our games are completely random and fair (to us).

6. We are authorised by the OLGIAFCTCGALE (on-line gaming alliance for casinos that cant get a license elsewhere). Our state of jurisdiction is Rippe-ye-off, a small village in the northern Zimbabwe.

Aaaaaaaaaagh. These people. :mad:
 
You missed something in #4 - Blood, semen, and stool samples :D



(which will take 60 days to get the DNA test matching results back)

Also, an INTERPOL check as well.
 
I apologize to the community and to rome casino for not taking the name of the individual that called me (it was a british male with a northern accent).

I made a post on another forum a few minutes after receiving the call as seen here
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At the time there was a video which played when you loaded the rome website, which now appears to no longer be on the site. I actually loaded up the website while I was on the phone, and when it started playing he said something like oh I can hear the video going so you have found the site ok.

I know my first post on the forum is here, however you will see that I have signed up before this posting, and didnt create the account just to post here (i prefer to read and only post useful stuff). The fact I previously posted about this elsewhere right after the call isnt firm proof, however at least shows the exact date and hopefully gives some credibility to the statement.
 
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Are you positive that the call you received was from Rome casino or is it possible you misunderstood?


I apologize to the community and to rome casino for not taking the name of the individual that called me (it was a british male with a northern accent).

I made a post on another forum a few minutes after receiving the call as seen here
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At the time there was a video which played when you loaded the rome website, which now appears to no longer be on the site. I actually loaded up the website while I was on the phone, and when it started playing he said something like oh I can hear the video going so you have found the site ok.

I know my first post on the forum is here, however you will see that I have signed up before this posting, and didnt create the account just to post here (i prefer to read and only post useful stuff). The fact I previously posted about this elsewhere right after the call isnt firm proof, however at least shows the exact date and hopefully gives some credibility to the statement.
 
It was definatly rome casino. The site used to have a video of some roman warriors on a chariot or something which played when you went to the url. I went there while I was still on the phone and the video started playing, and he could hear it playing and said something like " thats good I can see you found the site because i can hear our video playing"

Found a copy of it on youtube, its a very well made video.
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Another interesting thing is that they openly accept AMEX.

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Whoa.....if they're doing something as shady as accepting AMEX, STAY AWAY. There's not a legit casino around that accepts AMEX for deposits.

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What Pantsdown refers to took place at the end of MAY, some 2 months BEFORE Rome casino was supposed to be operating, yet he reports being able to navigate to the website, a website which according to the Rome casino rep launched in August. These dates are from the other forum posts linked to, Pantsdown didn't make them up.

The administrator of that forum had a look, and thought the casino then used Total E-Soft and not "Top-Game".

As for accepting AMEX, very odd indeed, especially since they launched as US facing, and only in August, when UIGEA made it impossible to use ANY kind of mainstream credit card for deposits, with even virtual cards being widely blocked. Any statement regarding credit card deposits would have to be aimed at the non-US market, where such deposits would work with VISA, although probably not AMEX or Mastercard. I am in the UK, and I have ALWAYS had Mastercard deposit attempts declined by my card company, and here it is legal.

The question is, Rome Casino - was it up & running at the end of May and Early June, or was August the launch date.

It is possible that there is a similar casino, using Total E-Soft, that has become confused with this "Rome Casino". It could be a slight difference in domain name causing the confusion, which may be deliberate on the part of the "other Rome Casino".

The sleuths among us now have some looking around to do, are Total E-Soft up to something again? Who is the genuine article, and who is the fake "Rome casino".

There is also the "wayback machine", that may retain what was on a domain of "Rome casino" around this time in late May.
 
As for accepting AMEX, very odd indeed, especially since they launched as US facing, and only in August, when UIGEA made it impossible to use ANY kind of mainstream credit card for deposits, with even virtual cards being widely blocked. Any statement regarding credit card deposits would have to be aimed at the non-US market, where such deposits would work with VISA, although probably not AMEX or Mastercard. I am in the UK, and I have ALWAYS had Mastercard deposit attempts declined by my card company, and here it is legal.
It is not just the UIGEA, but Amex has had a long-standing policy of not allowing Amex cards to be used for online gambling (cash advances in Las Vegas are OK), so any online casino accepting Amex cards is automatically dodgy.
 

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