RIVAL, It Only Gets Better

[Zoozie]

This discussion is getting a little too hot.

Maybe CocoaRob would help the community and post the complete reels for the Dog Pound Dollar$ slot. This would just save the players a lot of time figuring out the reels, since this could be done by just playing a slot and some tedious work anyway.

If there is nothing to hide (ie. the slot has a payout% of at least 92%, hopefully a little higher) then I could confirm this and I can also find the variance that give a hint about how streaky the slot is.

Zoozie

 

[silcnlayc]

As for the payouts - the games that you are playing, Dog Pound, has 15 free spins with 5x multiplier. I believe this quite unique.

Not as unique as you think. There is Isis with up to 25 free spins with a 6 x multiplier on all spins that can be retriggered, then there is a few other ones that have up to 7 x multiplier and free spin retriggers. So dog pound is just another but doesn't compare even closely with the MG ones.

For the iSlots - this is a completely new style of slot game. To expect it to play like any MG game is missing the point of having new, different games. If we had just copied MG games, we wouldn't be bringing something new to the market. Each iSlot has several bonus rounds. Some of the bonus rounds merely advance you to the next scene. Some are triggered after a scene change. Some happen without changing scenes. They play completely differently from other slots, but they do pay out extremely well for the lucky player.

Did I miss something here???

??but they do pay out extremely well for the lucky player

In all the bonus rounds I received, I didn't "feel" extremely lucky...I-Slots are good for a story line...and was entertaining, but then again, I could pick up a book for 5 bucks and spend hours on that too..

but they do pay out extremely well

This is such a false statement and if you have convinced yourselves of this, then you will probably end up closing your doors for why should I bother to play at your casino to win $9-$25 bonus rounds when I can play at almost any other casino and hit $50-$300 bonus rounds for the same stake??. Sorry, but your payouts aren't even close to reality.

 

[dominique]

As for the payouts - the games that you are playing, Dog Pound, has 15 free spins with 5x multiplier. I believe this quite unique. This feature, when hit back to back, potentially triggers huge wins. Our simulations prove this, and several lucky players (unfortunately not CM members it seems) have been lucky to experience this.

I have seen that happen. It is much like Isis. One of those slots that don't do much until you hit the feature and it did hit spins within the spins.

 

[kwblue]

I guess I am in the minority here....

However, I think that Rob is doing a good job at responding. Instead of completely roasting him, we should take this opportunity to convince him that these slots do NOT have the same level of payout of ANY other casino slot on the internet.

Thanks - Rob for your responses. I think we all just want your casino (which actually has nice new games) to have SOME level of payout.

You will know you have it set right when you see players putting winning screenshots in the winning screenshots thread. As of yet, I cannot remember this happening.

There are A LOT of players here at CM and I would think that one of them would have submitted a winner. I would LOVE to be that person

Send Zoozie the reel configurations, if you don't mind, so that the payout and volatility of the slots can be determined. That would go a long way in pairing up what these slots can do based upon data from other slots in the industry.


You can talk all you want about players having big payouts... However, until a player (that somebody knows) has a good payout and others start seeing the same thing - it is moot. What is needed is more than 1 out of every 5000 players getting a decent win. $2-10 bonus wins IS really bad. Nobody will continue to play for that! Trust me.

Thanks Dom - for mentioning your payout - that helps

 

[AussieDave]

I have seen that happen. It is much like Isis. One of those slots that don't do much until you hit the feature and it did hit spins within the spins.

So how much did you win Dom when you got the retriggered spins on the free spins in Dog Pound? How much were you betting per spin?

Was this play mode or real play?

Cheers

 

[silcnlayc]

However, I think that Rob is doing a good job at responding

I too think it's absolutely wonderful he is responding and I am hoping he is passing these things on for I really do like the casino games they offer and, but I am NOT willing to put my money on the line to play there any more.

I did this in REAL money mode just to see if the pay offs were any different, and they are not. Even my husband spun a few times (he also liked the Dog Pound one) and said it feels even worse now than before, but at least you see more "wilds" even if they don't pay anything was his remark. Hmmm.....

 

[me_and_ed]

Bonus rounds having potentially huge wins, the key word potentially, unlikely at best.
I played Supe It Up last night, .25c/spins, hit the feature within 150 spins, first win $32.00, then hit it again within 50 spins and got a retrigger, $47.00 this time, not once on Rival have I hit a retrigger or even 4 scatters for that matter (not that it would do much for the balance anyway). I agree Rob is standing in the line of fire but I would liken him to nothing more than a "spin doctor" after his last response.

 

[soflat]

I too think it's absolutely wonderful he is responding .....

Me too. I don't understand why he is getting beaten up so badly. He and the company seem really sincere.

As for their slots: The paytables are readily accessible, so if you think the rare big wins don't pay enough, then don't play. It is that simple: look at the paytable and decide if the 5-wilds etc are going to satisfy you. And if you get a free spin bonus, you are still dealing with the same paytable (except maybe 5X), so you shouldn't expect to win a million dollars (or even a thousand, maybe not even a hundred unless you are a high-roller or feeling lucky). If 5 symbols pays 60 credits, you are only going to get 300 @ 5x during the respins. It is no secret and you shouldn't be in shock when it happens.

Personally, I don't like their 5-reel slots so I play the 3-reelers, which I do like. I haven't hit a jackpot, but all the bonuses give me a shot. Maybe if they keep adding bonuses to my account I'll be posting in the Winner's Screenshots.

But honestly, I don't like MGs 5-reelers either. I guess some people have had luck with them (winners screenshots), but I'm certain they drain everybody else's bankrolls just as efficiently as Rival's 5-reelers. If you can prove me otherwise than please do.

As for RTG's 5-reelers, they are the best. I hit for $800 on a $1/spin last week with a 100 free spins bonus feature. Before that, they were at the bottom of my list thanks to their ability to drain my bankroll with record speed.

If it were me designing the paytables, I would keep the low-variance paytable on the i-slots since there is a storyline there that makes them fun regardless and folks could play longer. Then I would jack up the jackpots on the other 5-reelers so that people could hit some heart-stopping wins (and keep depositing between those wins).

 

[Zoozie]

Me too. I don't understand why he is getting beaten up so badly. He and the company seem really sincere.

Losing your money, in fair game or not, often seems to make people complain.

I was contacted by CocoaRob and he was interested in getting the slot analyzed. So he is interested in what is happening in this forum.

But honestly, I don't like MGs 5-reelers either. I guess some people have had luck with them (winners screenshots), but I'm certain they drain everybody else's bankrolls just as efficiently as Rival's 5-reelers. If you can prove me otherwise than please do.

I prefer the 5-reel slots because 3-reels slots without any features are a little too boring. But the 3-reel slots has the advantage that the variance is high so you can get some good wins easier. Playing 5-reel slots with low variance and maximum lines will make it very hard to walk away winning after just 10K spins. Basically you can just play 1-line on the 5-reel slots and 'get the best from both worlds'.

Zoozie

 

[dominique]

So how much did you win Dom when you got the retriggered spins on the free spins in Dog Pound? How much were you betting per spin?

Was this play mode or real play?

Cheers

I was testing the software, it was real, I think I played $5.00 (Can't swear to it, I alter amounts) and it paid about $500. Sorry, I didn't take a shot. It took a while to get there, probably $200 betting varied amounts. I hit a couple good lines along the way, not many.

I see it much like Isis, thats the same way for me. When I played that it took forever to hit but then retriggered and paid well.

Different strokes for different folks, but I kind of prefer slots that pay sudden larger wins to slots that pay small stuff all the time.

 

[me_and_ed]

Me too. I don't understand why he is getting beaten up so badly. He and the company seem really sincere.

As for their slots: The paytables are readily accessible, so if you think the rare big wins don't pay enough, then don't play. It is that simple: look at the paytable and decide if the 5-wilds etc are going to satisfy you. And if you get a free spin bonus, you are still dealing with the same paytable (except maybe 5X), so you shouldn't expect to win a million dollars (or even a thousand, maybe not even a hundred unless you are a high-roller or feeling lucky). If 5 symbols pays 60 credits, you are only going to get 300 @ 5x during the respins. It is no secret and you shouldn't be in shock when it happens.

Personally, I don't like their 5-reel slots so I play the 3-reelers, which I do like. I haven't hit a jackpot, but all the bonuses give me a shot. Maybe if they keep adding bonuses to my account I'll be posting in the Winner's Screenshots.

But honestly, I don't like MGs 5-reelers either. I guess some people have had luck with them (winners screenshots), but I'm certain they drain everybody else's bankrolls just as efficiently as Rival's 5-reelers. If you can prove me otherwise than please do.

As for RTG's 5-reelers, they are the best. I hit for $800 on a $1/spin last week with a 100 free spins bonus feature. Before that, they were at the bottom of my list thanks to their ability to drain my bankroll with record speed.

If it were me designing the paytables, I would keep the low-variance paytable on the i-slots since there is a storyline there that makes them fun regardless and folks could play longer. Then I would jack up the jackpots on the other 5-reelers so that people could hit some heart-stopping wins (and keep depositing between those wins).

Nobody is getting "beaten up" here, I always did say great C/S, Rob I have thanked many times, on the threads and in PM, I think the problem is that they do have a decent product, general dissapointment is what I sense and resentment to the fact that they are boosting hi payout percentages ( which just like statistics can be made to say just about anything), I have never once disputed the fact of 95% or there so payouts, I have simply stated the payout distribution is downright awful, and to make matters worse these latest changes have taken that one step further. Rob is a representative of this company, he is an active participant in this forum, no one is personally attacking him, he has a job to do and is doing it well, it still doesnt change the payouts though.

 

[AussieDave]

I thought I'd post this...

It's not a huge win by my standards, in fact it's pretty small, but compared to what I would have got on i-slots or the 5 reelers @ .30cents a spin, it shows huge improvement...

Dropped a mere $30 over at 7Sultans tonight & was betting .27 cents a spin. This win was from 15 free spins (3x.27cents original bet). I've played i-slots max bet at $3.75 a spin & never got anything close to this, even with the free spins...Dog Pound and the others...the same old same old pathetic story as well.


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I've got about 150 more of these small slot bet wins & some monsters from $2.25 a spin onwards...Last time I looked I didn't see anyone posting any Rival slot wins over at Winners Screen Shots, have you Rob?

 

[soflat]

I've got about 150 more of these small slot bet wins & some monsters from $2.25 a spin onwards...Last time I looked I didn't see anyone posting any Rival slot wins over at Winners Screen Shots, have you Rob?

I doubt it.

I don't understand why they designed ALL of their 5-reel slots to have smallish jackpots and bonus rounds. Why not have a variety of paytable-types?

 

[silcnlayc]

CocoaRob

Please checkout the latest winning screenshots PLEASE? Tese screenies are what we are talking about...with bets ranging from $.27 cents to .90 cents and hits in the mid $60 dollar range which is unheard of at your slots...I haven't been able to hit this betting $3.75 a spin at your casino..so please go look and see why we are so frustrated with such a good casino and games...there is nothing to entice us to play let alone stay...Please?

 

[Lord_Have_Mercy]

Shitty!?

Is this a shitty payout!?

 

[Simmo!]

Seriously some of you guys amaze me. Feedback and constructive criticism is good and there's some good stuff in this thread, but calling a rep a "spin doctor"? No wonder not many reps step up to the plate...who can blame 'em. I wish some people (not just in this thread but across the other forums too) would look at their posts from the angle of the recipient before they posted just so they could see how antagonistic/confrontational they were being.

On the issue in hand, I agree: the payouts on Rival haven't inspired me to revisit. I think the games themselves are class, but without the financial incentives the storylines have short-term appeal. 15 Spins at 5x is excellent fun, but when you can't win much on each spin... I hope Rival can bring the payouts in line with the other "greats" in slot-land as the i-slot concept is definately a strong innovation.

Cheers,

Simmo!

 

[GrandMaster]

Simmo!, what happened to the blue frog?

 

[Simmo!]

Simmo!, what happened to the blue frog?

so as not to derail....

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/time-for-an-avatar-change.14975/

 

[silcnlayc]

Is this a shitty payout!?

Actually it is for the amount you had to play to get that IMO (not that it would matter if you're happy with it). That hit at an RTG, MG, Inter would be in the $.27 cent range to the $2.

For $3.75 you should have been over $100 for 5 oak IMHO. See bet vs payout in the screenshots attached..Mermaid Millions is your best match and the payout should have been at least that.

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[me_and_ed]

Seriously some of you guys amaze me. Feedback and constructive criticism is good and there's some good stuff in this thread, but calling a rep a "spin doctor"? No wonder not many reps step up to the plate...who can blame 'em. I wish some people (not just in this thread but across the other forums too) would look at their posts from the angle of the recipient before they posted just so they could see how antagonistic/confrontational they were being.

On the issue in hand, I agree: the payouts on Rival haven't inspired me to revisit. I think the games themselves are class, but without the financial incentives the storylines have short-term appeal. 15 Spins at 5x is excellent fun, but when you can't win much on each spin... I hope Rival can bring the payouts in line with the other "greats" in slot-land as the i-slot concept is definately a strong innovation.

Cheers,

Simmo!

What does a spin doctor do? It is not an evil term, it is not slanderous, a spin doctor make things sound good even when they are bad, the payouts speak for themself, there is nothing hidden here, just dont compare and defend to the other major software providers when it is black and white. Simmo, when was the last time you saw a casino reduce its paytable to 75% or less and promote it as better wins and payouts? The reason for myself to be persistence with this thread is that one day the managements lights may turn on at Rival and and they can compare, I think concensus all agrees they like the software and the C/S, it really would be a nice alternative than the usual M/G, RTG, PTech.

 

[AussieDave]

Seriously some of you guys amaze me.

Why? All I see is some loyal players who are speaking their mind & saying their sick of feeling jibbed!

but calling a rep a "spin doctor"? No wonder not many reps step up to the plate...who can blame 'em.

As for the payouts - the games that you are playing, Dog Pound, has 15 free spins with 5x multiplier. I believe this quite unique. This feature, when hit back to back, potentially triggers huge wins. Our simulations prove this, and several lucky players (unfortunately not CM members it seems) have been lucky to experience this.

potentially being the operative word, added to what was said above, reads like Spin Doctor speak to me. Add the sarcasm of unfortunately not CM members it seems, it's little wonder people are going ape.

I wish some people (not just in this thread but across the other forums too) would look at their posts from the angle of the recipient before they posted just so they could see how antagonistic/confrontational they were being.

That's like the pot calling the kettle black. Taken in the context of these comments...(which btw seem to be Rob's standard MO)...

Does anyone else smell BBQ?

(unfortunately not CM members it seems)

Nothing wrong with humour in its place, but using it in that thread to respond in these posts, after Rival had requested feedback, was not a good choice imo. It's like a red rag to a bull for some.

On the issue in hand, I agree: the payouts on Rival haven't inspired me to revisit. I think the games themselves are class, but without the financial incentives the storylines have short-term appeal. 15 Spins at 5x is excellent fun, but when you can't win much on each spin... I hope Rival can bring the payouts in line with the other "greats" in slot-land as the i-slot concept is definately a strong innovation.

I totally agree imo Rival has some wicked slot concepts, their CS is A1 and their comps are very generous too. But really all that amounts to zip if players are feeling like they are here with their slots. Even you agree that their slots need realistic pay-outs.

As you said Simmo! you played once and that was it, some of these players have returned multiple times. From my own experience playing Rival I'm sick of feeling I have no chance, so I can only imagine how others are feeling.

 

[Simmo!]

Points taken but I just thought that if someone called me a Spin Doctor I'd probably just say okay okay, I'm not going to achieve anything here so I'll butt out. If we want to have a constructive conversation with someone we are at odds with, I think there are better ways of going about it...maybe it's just me, but that's how I viewed it. Sorry if I caused any offence.

I've seen a number of threads in the past that could have achieved a lot more if they were written with a different perspective, which was what I am getting at. Hey you know me by now - I like diplomacy and think it is far more effective in achieving goals and I think diplomacy on "anonymous" message boards is best achieved by reading your post back to yourself as if you were the recipient and gauging how you'd feel if it was aimed at you.

Cheers

Simmo!

 

[AussieDave]

Points taken but I just thought that if someone called me a Spin Doctor I'd probably just say okay okay, I'm not going to achieve anything here so I'll butt out. If we want to have a constructive conversation with someone we are at odds with, I think there are better ways of going about it...maybe it's just me, but that's how I viewed it. Sorry if I caused any offence.

No offence caused Simmo!

I don't think it's a mystery that I hold a passion towards this industry. My passions are fuelled by strong emotions. Unfortunately sometimes I let these cloud my sincere objectives.

I've seen a number of threads in the past that could have achieved a lot more if they were written with a different perspective, which was what I am getting at. Hey you know me by now - I like diplomacy and think it is far more effective in achieving goals and I think diplomacy on "anonymous" message boards is best achieved by reading your post back to yourself as if you were the recipient and gauging how you'd feel if it was aimed at you.

I agree 100% well thought out dialogs provide a far better diplomatic path towards achieving a calm status quo, than insinuations, innuendos, veiled insults & semantics, which only add to frustrations and achieve nothing but further discontent.

As a passing opinion, it's these forks in the road that on the surface may seem negative, but, in reality produce productive outcomes. In turn bring about a clearer understanding of people's interpretations, which imo is a positive & constructive step forward.

Thanks Simmo! for taking the time out to shed your perceptions & feelings on this issue.



Cheers



Trezz

PS Rob, sorry for letting my emotions run riot, it was nothing personal, but I do apologise if I caused you any discomfort.

 

[dominique]

Originally Posted by CocoaRob
Does anyone else smell BBQ?

I thought this was pretty funny myself.

 

[AussieDave]

I thought this was pretty funny myself.

Yeah it was funny, but I felt not appropriate for this thread.

I'm sure those rogue affiliates who where bh'ing 888 thought their antics were funny (hahaha) too, I'm sure you did not. A point of equal reference is always handy to keep sight of, imo.