Re the PAB service

zebedy

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Moments like these make me contemplate the whole PAB system, and whether it should be available only for Senior members and above. But I'm not going to let one weasel ruin it for all of the legit players who have real problems.

And it will never be a paid for service - that's out of the question.
I agree the service should never be a paid for as it could lead to all sorts of problems but would a Compulsory donation to a charity before a PAB was considered/taken on weed out the fraudsters/ass-clowns or do you think it would still ruin it for the legit players,

IMO the PAB service is invaluble to players and if there was ever a time i needed to use it i would have no problems in paying a donation to charity,whereas if i was a fraud i probably wouldnt want to bother,
then if a player did donate and was found out to be a fraudster at least the charity would gain,
 

chayton

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hmmmm...for new users make them pay a deposit or "filing fee" when submitting a PAB, if they turn out to be legit, the deposit is returned - if it turns out to bogus or fraudulent, keep the deposit. Probably wouldn't get so many frauds that way. Seems like a good idea but I'm sure there are all sorts of things wrong with it.

Not the least of which would be that then the fraudsters would say Bryan ruled in the casinos favor just to be able to keep the deposit....
 
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zebedy

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hmmmm...for new users make them pay a deposit or "filing fee" when submitting a PAB, if they turn out to be legit, the deposit is returned - if it turns out to bogus or fraudulent, keep the deposit. Probably wouldn't get so many frauds that way. Seems like a good idea but I'm sure there are all sorts of things wrong with it.

Not the least of which would be that then the fraudsters would say Bryan ruled in the casinos favor just to be able to keep the deposit....
Thats why i thought a charity donation would be better at least that way people couldnt turn around and accuse CM of gaining personally from a decision,
 

Casinomeister

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Thanks all for the input. As far as the PAB stuff goes, I don't want any money changing hands. We've had quite a number of people who had successful PABs and made donations to charity with a portion of whatever they received. Max and I merely get the right people involved in order to resolve PAB issues.

It's up to the player to do what he wants with his money - we have nothing to do with this.
 

skiny

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If my exwife made a donation everytime she pitched a bitch we'd have probably cured cancer by now.
 

clj7221

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It's wonderful that Bryan has a wish list on his page. I think it would be great if Max and Simmo had one as well. It gives us the option of saying Thank You for the help and hard work doing the PAB'S or anything else we needed help with, through Charity, a personal gift on there list or both. Just a suggestion.
 
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oldtrvlagt

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It's wonderful that Bryan has a wish list on his page. I think it would be great if Max and Simmo had one as well. It gives us the option of saying Thank You for the help and hard work doing the PAB'S or anything else we needed help with, through Charity, a personal gift on there list or both. Just a suggestion.
You have a great idea IMHO...sometimes I think we all forget how much work this is! They need to know we all appreciate it:thumbsup: I get tired just working my way through WR:D
 

maxd

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It's wonderful that Bryan has a wish list on his page. I think it would be great if Max and Simmo had one as well.
Oh I think I could probably manage something like that. ;) Good suggestion!
 

WagerWitch

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I spent all that time reading the other thread.


I want to say something:

A) The PAB is a system that is run by CM and the casinos.

B) You either trust their recommendations or you don't bother to enter into the process system.

C) They are human and they are not infallible and can make mistakes.

D) If you feel that they made a mistake - provide PROOF or explanation why they are wrong.

E) Just because you don't agree with the results does not mean the results are WRONG.

F) Just because the PAB doesn't go the way you want it to - for whatever reason does not mean you should go on the forum and start squawking about it.

G) If you don't understand the results - talk to CM and group to understand it.

H) If they refuse to discuss it - then OH FREAKING WELL - they have no profitable reason to be evil or wrong. They are the middle men. PERIOD.

I) CM does not PROFIT by finding for the casino or the player.

J) Screw you.

K) Sometimes you win - sometimes you lose - too freaking bad - you're playing in the gambling industry - grow up and realize that YOU ALREADY LOST - and CM "MIGHT" be able to help you - but then again they might not. So going around spreading rumors or being upset - be upset with yourself for being in the position to get screwed over in the first place. When you gamble - you are already handing the casinos the vaseline - don't bend over so easily so that they can screw you - then scream about it later.

L) While it would be way cool to be able to see the transparent results of a PAB - the reason they are NOT transparent is so that CM and crew can actually SEE CONFIDENTIAL - CASINO INDUSTRY SECURITY INFORMATION - and be PRIVY to BOTH sides of QUALITY confidential information.

They CANNOT legitimately share that info to the public - and sometimes not even to the complainant. Because if they did - then a group of people would set up ONE player ID to take the fall - so the rest of them could figure out a way to GO around the SECURITY in place - and MAKE big bucks... Which would screw the rest of the average joe gamblers who are playing just to have fun and possibly win.

THE SCREWBALL THIEVES who set up rings to gamble - and make money from the casinos in groups or have found "GO AROUNDS" or CHEATS for the system are the reason the rest of us get screwed by the casinos more often - and why the damn wagering requirements are getting higher and higher.

They are the reason most of us are losing more and more often.

So - either take it or leave it (THE PAB PROCESS) or shut the heck up when you get the result you don't like.

You already lost or the PAB wouldn't exist.

And the PAB isn't foolproof - but it may be your only CHANCE to win a positive agreement.

Consider yourself having lost already - and the PAB about a 30% chance to possibly get your desired result.

AGAIN - either trust the PAB system or Don't... But don't start yodeling about it in the forums if you don't get something you like.

OK.... //end rant *grin*
 

clj7221

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Folks asking for that wishlist might want to have a boo here:
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Cheers! :thumbsup:
Thanks Max. I saved it. What about keeping it on your page so everyone see's it? You no how sometimes Newbies just come in here for help never staying around much to read posts. If they see it on your page they can use it to Thank you for your help.
 
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