Questionable tactics/strategies of affiliates

[maphesto]

Editor's note: this thread was split from another thread that questioned whether or not Liberty Slots is being run by crooks (it's not)

I can't speak for anyone else, but I wasn't suggesting they were crooks.

I asked if they were crooks in the title (a question, not a statement). It seems like something (an evil affiliate) connected to Curgam has stolen content from LS website in the same way LS stole from EH.

I have found some more pages, and the evil affiliate really has "nice" methods to make people download CASINO PLEX!

They also has made some other pages with names from old VT-casinos! They have added words like "club" or "review" to the former names.

xxhttp://millionairecasinoclub.com/bonuses.html (Yes, I used a sitemap program to find this one)

xxhttp://vipslotsclub.com/

xxhttp://grandvegascasinoreview.com/

xxhttp://caribbeangoldreview.com/

xxhttp://crazyslotscasinoclub.com/ (don't mix this up with the Top Game one, that hasn't "casino" in the address)

There are more of those, it's just to follow links to find more. But they also uses Rushmore: xxhttp://rushmorecasinoclub.com/

The evil affiliate has this page: xxhttp://x-slots.com/

Some of the traffic goes through this page: xxhttp://www.ruswm.com/

The one with connections with Casino Plex can probably find out who the affiliate is. I will notify Casino Plex rep about this.

 

[CasinoPlex]

Hola guys

The below sites is an affiliate who is basically promotion our casino software as his own casino. He has now received a warning for not starting clearly on his web site, that he is just an affiliate promoting our Casino and that WE CasinoPlex (*snip*) are not responsible for any of text / promotions that he has on the web sites.

His sites will be updated later today or tomorrow.

Have a nice day everyone.

/Martin

I asked if they were crooks in the title (a question, not a statement). It seems like something (an evil affiliate) connected to Curgam has stolen content from LS website in the same way LS stole from EH.

I have found some more pages, and the evil affiliate really has "nice" methods to make people download CASINO PLEX!

They also has made some other pages with names from old VT-casinos! They have added words like "club" or "review" to the former names.

xxhttp://millionairecasinoclub.com/bonuses.html (Yes, I used a sitemap program to find this one)

xxhttp://vipslotsclub.com/

xxhttp://grandvegascasinoreview.com/

xxhttp://caribbeangoldreview.com/

xxhttp://crazyslotscasinoclub.com/ (don't mix this up with the Top Game one, that hasn't "casino" in the address)

There are more of those, it's just to follow links to find more. But they also uses Rushmore: xxhttp://rushmorecasinoclub.com/

The evil affiliate has this page: xxhttp://x-slots.com/

Some of the traffic goes through this page: xxhttp://www.ruswm.com/

The one with connections with Casino Plex can probably find out who the affiliate is. I will notify Casino Plex rep about this.

 

[Nifty29]

Hola guys

The below sites is an affiliate who is basically promotion our casino software as his own casino. He has now received a warning for not starting clearly on his web site, that he is just an affiliate promoting our Casino and that WE CasinoPlex are not responsible for any of text / promotions that he has on the web sites.

His sites will be updated later today or tomorrow.

Have a nice day everyone.

/Martin

Erm....excuse me Martin, but why did you feel the need to include a LINK to your casino in your post. It was completely irrelevant to the thread.

It's tantamount to SPAM, and IIRC its not the first time you've crossed the line.

Talk about amateur hour.

I've reported this to Bryan.

 

[maxd]

... why did you feel the need to include a LINK to your casino in your post. It was completely irrelevant to the thread.

Reporting it would have sufficed. That would have made it a moderator issue, which it rightly is, and not a forum issue which it isn't. Just saying.

 

[maphesto]

I am very tempted to report Niftys post...

Nifty! You provided a link in your post! If you quote someones link, the link is still there...

@CasinoPlex: I will check some pages in a couple of days to see if the affiliate still uses bad behaviour in his marketing. This whole thread started because of his discusting tactics.

Hola guys
The below sites is an affiliate who is basically promotion our casino software as his own casino. He has now received a warning for not starting clearly on his web site, that he is just an affiliate promoting our Casino and that WE CasinoPlex are not responsible for any of text / promotions that he has on the web sites.

You are not responsible for his contect, but if a casino allowes affiliates to use that kind of marketing (I know that you've warned him) it's definately bordering to rogue behaviour. Good that you warned him.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I am very tempted to report Niftys post...

Nifty! You provided a link in your post! If you quote someones link, the link is still there...

@CasinoPlex: I will check some pages in a couple of days to see if the affiliate still uses bad behaviour in his marketing. This whole thread started because of his discusting tactics.



You are not responsible for his contect, but if a casino allowes affiliates to use that kind of marketing (I know that you've warned him) it's definately bordering to rogue behaviour. Good that you warned him.

If a player gives you misleading information when registering, would he too just get a warning and be told to change it

 

[maphesto]

If a player gives you misleading information when registering, would he too just get a warning and be told to change it

A player who gives false/misleading information usually don't bring money, the affiliate unfortunately does. This is of course the reason for not closing the affiliate account right away. A check a minute ago showed me that the affiliate hasn't removed anything yet.

 

[PaaskeDenmark]

A player who gives false/misleading information usually don't bring money, the affiliate unfortunately does. This is of course the reason for not closing the affiliate account right away. A check a minute ago showed me that the affiliate hasn't removed anything yet.

Who knows maybe CasinoPlex decided to have some "extra" websites in cyberspace? It just seems strange to me why an affiliate would make single websites under different casino names with links to CasinoPlex in them?

 

[Evil Affiliate]

I am here))

All of this sites are mine. They have been created long time ago, when old VT casinos worked good. Of course, domain names, logos and design were shown to administration of EH and BCP groups. All sites have declaimers and graphic elements in logos - that it is just review sites, not casinos. Then VT casinos felt down and I ve made all links to traffic system.
And now all US players are lending to Liberty Slots Casino or some of AceRevenue brands, and all EU (and Sweden too ) are lending to Playtech or Microgaming casinos.

So, maphesto, where is evil ? And what is your problem?

Regards, Maxim

I asked if they were crooks in the title (a question, not a statement). It seems like something (an evil affiliate) connected to Curgam has stolen content from LS website in the same way LS stole from EH.

I have found some more pages, and the evil affiliate really has "nice" methods to make people download CASINO PLEX!

They also has made some other pages with names from old VT-casinos! They have added words like "club" or "review" to the former names.

xxhttp://millionairecasinoclub.com/bonuses.html (Yes, I used a sitemap program to find this one)

xxhttp://vipslotsclub.com/

xxhttp://grandvegascasinoreview.com/

xxhttp://caribbeangoldreview.com/

xxhttp://crazyslotscasinoclub.com/ (don't mix this up with the Top Game one, that hasn't "casino" in the address)

There are more of those, it's just to follow links to find more. But they also uses Rushmore: xxhttp://rushmorecasinoclub.com/

The evil affiliate has this page: xxhttp://x-slots.com/

Some of the traffic goes through this page: xxhttp://www.ruswm.com/

The one with connections with Casino Plex can probably find out who the affiliate is. I will notify Casino Plex rep about this.

 

[The Dude]

@Evil Affiliate

So you are saying that EH and others allowed you to poach their players? Not many affy programs allow this - especially when their intellectual property (domain name) is being exploited. Seems a bit odd to me. We have a new Rushmore rep - maybe she can enlighten us on rushmorecasinoclub.com

 

[Evil Affiliate]

@Evil Affiliate

So you are saying that EH and others allowed you to poach their players? Not many affy programs allow this - especially when their intellectual property (domain name) is being exploited. Seems a bit odd to me. We have a new Rushmore rep - maybe she can enlighten us on rushmorecasinoclub.com

Of course allowed, they (BCP and EH) were my main partners before VT crisis. Domain name is not their intellectual property.
May be you don't know, but BCP even had a sources of their design in marketing materials for affiliates.

About Rushmore group, I used to work with them and they allowed me to use their design. Then some problems appeared with traffic count, payments and answering affiliates questions and they changed affiliates passwords . So, I stopped to promote them.

 

[maphesto]

So, maphesto, where is evil ?

If you don't get that you are stupid! At Millionaire Casino Club you are speaking about Millionaire Casino and EH. People download Casino Tropez!!!

Same here! Slots Oasis! xxhttp://slotsoasiscasinogames.com

You are a joke!

And what is your problem?

An affiliate who soon will notice that reps for accredited MGS casinos are aware of his stupidness!

 

[Nifty29]

Of course allowed, they (BCP and EH) were my main partners before VT crisis. Domain name is not their intellectual property.
May be you don't know, but BCP even had a sources of their design in marketing materials for affiliates.

About Rushmore group, I used to work with them and they allowed me to use their design. Then some problems appeared with traffic count, payments and answering affiliates questions and they changed affiliates passwords . So, I stopped to promote them.

What you are doing is DECEPTIVE. Deliberately so.

Affiliates like you give the industry a bad name.

 

[rockycatt]

ill wait another day to shoot the prisoner

 

[vinylweatherman]

Of course allowed, they (BCP and EH) were my main partners before VT crisis. Domain name is not their intellectual property.
May be you don't know, but BCP even had a sources of their design in marketing materials for affiliates.

About Rushmore group, I used to work with them and they allowed me to use their design. Then some problems appeared with traffic count, payments and answering affiliates questions and they changed affiliates passwords . So, I stopped to promote them.

What is "evil"?

You are advertising casino A, yet directing traffic to casino B. This is misleading advertising. Not only does this cause confusion, it is damaging the brands you currently promote by creating spurious connections with unrelated brands in the minds of players who visit your site.

The rep for casinoplex has now had to come here for "damage limitation" in order to make it clear that they are not connected to the casino on your site.

Are you REALLY so damn lazy that you have changed the links, but kept the old casino names on the site?

I doubt it, more likely you are trying to trade on those well known names in order to drive traffic to unrelated casinos, traffic that might NOT click through were the true name of the casino featured on the site.

Most players have no idea how much of this works, so it is the poor innocent casino that receives your traffic, or the casino who's name you are using, that gets blamed by the player when they feel they have been mislead after taking up an offer on your site.

In fact, the receiving casinos are not completely innocent, since they are happy for you to drive traffic to them by using misleading content, and pay you for any that converts.

Your site has landed Liberty Slots in even deeper sh1te than they are already in over their secret gaming license because it has created a clear connection between another "new" casino that has the same contact details as LS, yet any association is being denied by LS in the face of what seems "obvious" evidence of shared CS.

Of course, LS are not entirely innocent, as they are working with you, and paying you for traffic.

In effect, you have created a fake site for a casino that does not even exist, giving it a fake name etc, but using the genuine contact details for LS. This site links to LS, so US players expecting a casino with a different name end up with LS, and assume there is a connection, maybe one that shows LS are about to open a sister casino.

Although not the same, the fake name is similar enough to that of an existing casino using different software that they have been dragged into the fray, and being accused of having "dark connection" that they don't.

This is an "evil marketing tactic". You stand to gain, but players and the brands stand to lose. Players can get screwed because of the false information, casinos get screwed because their brands get dragged into disrepute, which could end up losing them more players than they gain through your links.

 

[Evil Affiliate]

If you don't get that you are stupid!

Is it ok for this forum to speak in such offensive words?

At Millionaire Casino Club youare speaking about Millionaire Casino and EH. People download Casino Tropez!!!
An affiliate who soon will notice that reps for accredited MGS casinos are aware of his stupidness!

It is usual practice for Internet marketing (I mean geo targeting). You can try to reach some of Rushmore group casinos from EU IP, and you will be redirected to their European brands. The same situation with some EU casinos from US IP.

About downloading from my sites - players can see what they are downloaded. There no cheat. It is not adware, it casino client soft from vendors sites.

 

[Evil Affiliate]

Players can get screwed because of the false information, casinos get screwed because their brands get dragged into disrepute, which could end up losing them more players than they gain through your links.

One more time - they downloading authentic standard client, with logo, casino name etc.

 

[vinylweatherman]

One more time - they downloading authentic standard client, with logo, casino name etc.

Yes, but only after you site tells them they are clicking through to a completely different casino.

With geo location, your site should be set to display the TRUE casino and advertising content from your site, with the link going straight to that casino.

If I land on a page advertising "Reel vegas", and click the link, I would expect to receive the genuine client for "Reel vegas", not the genuine client for, say, Roxy Palace or Ruby Fortune.

Given the misleading advertising, there is no way to determine whether I even have the "genuine client" other than taking your word for it, the word of someone who one click ago LIED to me.

If casinos are happy for you to market like this, they deserve all the flak they are getting over claims that A is connected to B, or A is a crook because B is, etc.

 

[maphesto]

Following accredited Microgaming Casinos is promoted of Mr Evil Affiliate at x-slots.com:

Jackpot City
Spin Palace
Betway

Following accredited Playtech Casinos is promoted of Mr Evil Affiliate at x-slots.com:

Omni

Is it ok for this forum to speak in such offensive words?

I'll take the risk!

 

[Evil Affiliate]

Following accredited Microgaming Casinos is promoted of Mr Evil Affiliate at x-slots.com:

Jackpot City
Spin Palace
Betway

Following accredited Playtech Casinos is promoted of Mr Evil Affiliate at x-slots.com:

Omni

And what?
All promoting casinos at the main page table.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Following accredited Microgaming Casinos is promoted of Mr Evil Affiliate at x-slots.com:

Jackpot City
Spin Palace
Betway

Following accredited Playtech Casinos is promoted of Mr Evil Affiliate at x-slots.com:

Omni



I'll take the risk!

I don't have a problem with this site. It shows "Spin Palace", and that's what I get when I click through.



Mr "Evil Affiliate" can get it right on this site, so no reason NOT to get it right on all the others.

 

[Evil Affiliate]

Dudes, if you type "online casino" at google from usa ip (you can use

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

) you can find a lot of websites with this geo targeting scheme.
Your like or dislike, it's just business and rules of market.

And I want to stop discussion on this. If some of members (like maphesto) have a lot of free time - it's their choice.
Regards.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Dudes, if you type "online casino" at google from usa ip (you can use

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

) you can find a lot of websites with this geo targeting scheme.
Your like or dislike, it's just business and rules of market.

And I want to stop discussion on this. If some of members (like maphesto) have a lot of free time - it's their choice.
Regards.

You are being a smart ass, this is NOT about the use of geo location on websites, it is about the use of misleading content, possibly even copyright infringement.


Let us return to the site of Millionaires club.

This site is presented as the home page for a casino called "Millionaires casino", and nowhere on the site does it indicate that the casino being promoted is anything other than one by than name. In fact, for me in the UK, "visit casino" ends up at "casino tropez".

Now, I DO have a problem with THIS. I have just read a review of a casino called "Millionaire casino", so when I click through to visit or download it, I am expecting a casino by than name. Instead, I end up elsewhere, in this case at Casino Tropez. In my mind, this creates a connection between the two operators. Worse, the site is deliberately engineered to disguise the fact that it is just an affiliate portal, even to the extent of inventing a non existant set of "about us", promotions, etc, none of which will necessarily be honoured by the casino downloaded.

This could get me screwed over as a player, and could make Casino Tropez look dishonerable for a "bait & switch" by denying any promotions that appeared prior to "visit/download casino" on the millionaire site.

Whilst the site name is fixed, there is no excuse for not changing the pages to make it clear it is a "club" that now promotes third party casinos, such as Tropez or Liberty Slots, depending on geo location.

It is not this geo location that is the problem, it is the misleading website that advertises itself as the actual website for a casino called "Millionaires casino".

Players have managed to dredge up incriminating content from within this site that makes it appear that Millionaires casino club is a sister casino to Liberty Slots because the contact details are identical. At best, the site looks like the "under construction" portal for a sister casino to LS that is about to launch. This makes the LS rep look like a liar when they state that they have no connection to Millionaires casino, and that they do not outsource their CS, a statement that removes the defense that the same call centre just happens to have Millionaires casino as another client, without any actual connection between the two at operator level.

 

[maphesto]

Mr "Evil Affiliate" can get it right on this site, so no reason NOT to get it right on all the others.

Yes! This site is clean. And his other sites, xxhttp://rouletteace.com and xx2casino.com seems clean as well.

But it's interesting to know that the bad pages are pointing to these clean pages with links to accredited casinos. At xx2casino.com he also promotes 32RED.

Some others:


xxhttp://onlinevegascasinoreview.com
xxhttp://superslotsgames.com
xxhttp://englishharbouronline.com (Just look at the disgusting lie: English Harbour Online Casino has been operating since 1997)

REALLY???

Disgusting!

 

[vinylweatherman]

Yes! This site is clean. And his other sites, xxhttp://rouletteace.com and xx2casino.com seems clean as well.

But it's interesting to know that the bad pages are pointing to these clean pages with links to accredited casinos. At xx2casino.com he also promotes 32RED.

Some others:


xxhttp://onlinevegascasinoreview.com
xxhttp://superslotsgames.com
xxhttp://englishharbouronline.com (Just look at the disgusting lie: English Harbour Online Casino has been operating since 1997)

REALLY???

Disgusting!

Another misleading site. Deliberate attempt to look like an actual casino, rather than an affiliate portal, but again ending up at casino tropez.

It seems all roads lead to casino tropez, whatever the "signpost" might say. Presumably for US players it is all roads lead to Liberty Slots, making it look like Liberty Slots has a whole web of connections with other casinos and softwares. Given that LS is so secretive that NOTHING in the way of counter-information can be gleaned from their website, it makes this web of interconnections the ONLY source of evidence.

I wonder if all these "evil" sites are there to "game" the search engines, rather than intentional landing pages for prospective players, by creating a web of links and backlinks to make this affiliate's "clean" sites rank far higher than they should.

Operators should remember what happened when Jackpot Factory tried an even more "evil" tactic to "game" search results, but screwed up to the extent that the pages were revealed to be read as text, rather than being "black on black" for the "eyes" only of web crawlers and search indexing. It was all blamed on a "subcontractor", yet this didn't save JF from a period of "pitification" here. The same fate could befall other operators who turn a blind eye to misleading tactics by their affiliates, who are after all, "marketing subcontractors" of the affiliate program, itself a marketing contractor of the casino operator.