Are Liberty Slots worse crooks than we think?

[maphesto]

I am 100% sure that Golden is a BCP! Didn't even heard of Nine...

 

[Nifty29]

Members here should be saying to liberty slots:

"If you won't show us your license, we won't show you our money"

Anyone who deposits now that they refuse to reveal where they're licensed (if they even are) is doing the industry and players in general a grave disservice.

I also think the LS rep needs to tone down the attitude....if they don't want difficult questions, then provide some simple answers.

 

[secret2]

I agree.

I have not and will not deposit since hearing that have refused to reveal their license.

I am very upset, as I love these slots..and I think that they knew this and that the USA are limited in the games that can be played..AS OF NOW Hopefully, not for long.

Their loss, in the long run.

 

[cheetahwind]

It's also pretty apparently they either got permission or stole there authorization forms from Jackpot Capital.
If you read the .doc available on Google. It would appear that they got some sort of "permission" or just took it up on themselves to copy the Jackpot Capital agreement. Maybe people are sniffing in the wrong direction and maybe Jackpot Capital's owners have something to do with them?

 

[footdr]

Why would they need to "steal" players information when they probably still had the player data base from EH group?

I just deposited 45.00 with the Wednesday bonus and cashed out 1000+.

I don't consider them crooks and other than Top Game casinos that pay very........slow; they are the only software available to u.s. players and I love their games and their daily tournaments, that are truly free, while some rtg free rolls require a lcent deposit.

 

[vinylweatherman]

Why would they need to "steal" players information when they probably still had the player data base from EH group?

I just deposited 45.00 with the Wednesday bonus and cashed out 1000+.

I don't consider them crooks and other than Top Game casinos that pay very........slow; they are the only software available to u.s. players and I love their games and their daily tournaments, that are truly free, while some rtg free rolls require a lcent deposit.

They seem fine at the moment, but they could just as easily "do a Rushmore" in the future and have players so worked up that some threaten chargebacks just to get paid.


The BIG issue is their gaming license. Whilst they say this is a secret one that can't be revealed, I can find NO licensing jurisdiction that would permit a licensee to keep their license under wraps.

SOMEONE is telling affiliates they are licensed in the Netherlands Antilles, and if that someone works for the LS affy program, we have an even worse situation that keeping a license secret. The result is that large numbers of affiliate sites that promote LS are telling players about a gaming license that does not exist, and this is highly misleading since these players would play in the belief they DO have a recognised license.

I am also wondering just HOW the LS bosses were able to "complain to the software supplier" about the new Millionaire site that nicked LS content (itself nicked from EH). I visited the site, and it is a work in progress as the rep said, but it is so incomplete that the software supplier is not stated, nor can the casino be downloaded to see.

The ONLY evidence is the list of games, but if this content was nicked from LS, how does this determine who the software supplier is?

 

[Nifty29]

Why would they need to "steal" players information when they probably still had the player data base from EH group?

I just deposited 45.00 with the Wednesday bonus and cashed out 1000+.

I don't consider them crooks and other than Top Game casinos that pay very........slow; they are the only software available to u.s. players and I love their games and their daily tournaments, that are truly free, while some rtg free rolls require a lcent deposit.

Ummmm....since when are they the only software available to US players? You really seem to be ill-informed of late.

The fact you still think topgame are great, and that you'll deposit somewhere that won't even tell anyone about their license (probably because they don't have one) speaks volumes about how much you really want to "help" and "inform" other members.

The only people you're doing on your quest to take every freebie and bonus you can find is the rogue operators you support with your money. The PR you give them here they could never buy. I have no doubt you have brought them some new suckers already.

Of course, the minute they don't pay you, they'll be crooks of the highest order, just like rushmore, who you used to praise for their "great bonuses".

I hope that when some of these rogues rip you off, which they will, that nobody assists you, as you would have totally dug your own grave.

 

[slotplayer]

Ummmm....since when are they the only software available to US players? You really seem to be ill-informed of late.

The fact you still think topgame are great, and that you'll deposit somewhere that won't even tell anyone about their license (probably because they don't have one) speaks volumes about how much you really want to "help" and "inform" other members.

The only people you're doing on your quest to take every freebie and bonus you can find is the rogue operators you support with your money. The PR you give them here they could never buy. I have no doubt you have brought them some new suckers already.

Of course, the minute they don't pay you, they'll be crooks of the highest order, just like rushmore, who you used to praise for their "great bonuses".

I hope that when some of these rogues rip you off, which they will, that nobody assists you, as you would have totally dug your own grave.

there was a lot of applaud for rushmore back in the day from a rainstorm of members.
imo, playing any USA facing casino is risky at best and should be considered a short-lived venture.

 

[plam6152]

I played there today and I had an error message come up (while I was winning) and it said to call "tech support"--i called "tech support" in Georgia and they said they couldn't help me so I went to live chat---What a nightmare that was---The rep was horribly rude and when I started questioning whether they were legit or not, the rep said, Unfortunately, we can not maintain an account for you and you have been "flagged" in our database..I said what is that supposed to mean? he said something about my credit cards and banks that I use with them--LMAO--I have never made a deposit with them--i just downloaded their casino today--I said I wanted an explanation of what he meant and if this casino was trying to scam people and he said--this chat is being terminated--LOL
Glad I had an error message or I would have never known that they were a bunch of idiots--Their "tech support" and customer service number is a place in Georgia--in other words, it is a call center

I would advise people to think long and hard before depositing with them--I'm glad I only downloaded and played with their money and not mine--they can keep the money that was winning..

 

[vinylweatherman]

I played there today and I had an error message come up (while I was winning) and it said to call "tech support"--i called "tech support" in Georgia and they said they couldn't help me so I went to live chat---What a nightmare that was---The rep was horribly rude and when I started questioning whether they were legit or not, the rep said, Unfortunately, we can not maintain an account for you and you have been "flagged" in our database..I said what is that supposed to mean? he said something about my credit cards and banks that I use with them--LMAO--I have never made a deposit with them--i just downloaded their casino today--I said I wanted an explanation of what he meant and if this casino was trying to scam people and he said--this chat is being terminated--LOL
Glad I had an error message or I would have never known that they were a bunch of idiots--Their "tech support" and customer service number is a place in Georgia--in other words, it is a call center

I would advise people to think long and hard before depositing with them--I'm glad I only downloaded and played with their money and not mine--they can keep the money that was winning..

You ask questions about their credibilty, and then they make stuff up about banks and cards you are using as an excuse to boot you out.

Looks like they are on the run. These probing questions have made them VERY defensive indeed.

A legitimate casino would do their best to allay your fears, rather than confirm them.

It really does not matter what bank or cards you use, ALL are just as illegal as each other under UIGEA, a law they have specifically set about circumventing.

Are there likely to be legal problems for their staff in Georgia? They are an accessory to the crime of circumventing UIGEA.

It seems VERY odd for a company intent on such secrecy to employ staff in the US, as surely they get paid, and THIS is the money trail that will lead back to the owners, as such payments would have to be above board, and registered with the IRS for tax.

It wouldn't take much pressure from the DoJ to get the call centre staff to reveal as much detail as they know, so why does the company take the risk, rather than use an offshore call centre like many others do.

 

[bb28]

I don't get how they could possibly think that being secretive would not make people suspicious and that the knowledgeable folks around here wouldn't do some sleuthing of their own. The one thing that shocks me, assuming it's true is why in the world would they have a call center in the US? Seems that opens the door for more trouble down the road from US officials. But.......who knows (conspiracy theories, anyone) maybe they were set up by the DOJ themselves. I know it sounds far fetched, but...least we forget the DOJ did set up a payment processor.

 

[Mousey]

I don't get how they could possibly think that being secretive would not make people suspicious and that the knowledgeable folks around here wouldn't do some sleuthing of their own. The one thing that shocks me, assuming it's true is why in the world would they have a call center in the US? Seems that opens the door for more trouble down the road from US officials. But.......who knows (conspiracy theories, anyone) maybe they were set up by the DOJ themselves. I know it sounds far fetched, but...least we forget the DOJ did set up a payment processor.

Linwood (the DOJ in sheep's clothing) processed payments to and from casinos efficiently and quickly for two years. Payment processing for USA players hasn't been the same since. LOL

And Dylan (the Liberty Slots rep)... while I appreciate you popping in and letting us know the Millionaire website is fake and scraped, I think you must understand the hesitance of some of us to accept that LS is truly 'one of the good guys'. Liberty Slots may be the best thing to pop up since sliced bread, but if I have no clue as to who had their hands in the dough... I'll have none of it. But, that's just my opinion.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I don't get how they could possibly think that being secretive would not make people suspicious and that the knowledgeable folks around here wouldn't do some sleuthing of their own. The one thing that shocks me, assuming it's true is why in the world would they have a call center in the US? Seems that opens the door for more trouble down the road from US officials. But.......who knows (conspiracy theories, anyone) maybe they were set up by the DOJ themselves. I know it sounds far fetched, but...least we forget the DOJ did set up a payment processor.

Their landline number traces back to a town in Georgia, and unlike toll free numbers, landline numbers are tied to a specific physical phone point. I expect the landline is for non-US players, as US players will probably use the toll free number. Maybe the call centre will argue that it only supports non-US players, so is not breaking UIGEA, or even assisting it's employing company to break it.

The rep also said this is their own call centre, not a shared one. By implication, it is therefore not outsourced, otherwise LS would have no control over what other clients were supported. It follows that LS is based in the US, but it's servers are offshore, so that it can say no gambling takes place on US soil, as it takes place on their servers, which are in a secret location.

Given the location is secret, it is possible that the servers are also located in the US, and thus they have no license. They would be very sensitive about revealing their location if this was the case, and if they gave out a fake licencing jurisdiction to cover themselves, it would be checked out and found to be false.

Locating where the servers are would also locate where it would be licensed.

Whilst not straight forward, it is not rocket science either

 

[Realitybitez]

I hope you guys are all wrong I really really like their games Im dying to play for real but seeing all the negative feedback puts me off abit

 

[Nifty29]

I hope you guys are all wrong I really really like their games Im dying to play for real but seeing all the negative feedback puts me off abit

Don't take the risk my friend....there are far better open and honest operators to lose at

 

[Casinomeister]

<sigh> I knew I shouldn't have looked at the forum while on holiday

Anyway - right before I left, I met with one of the reps from Liberty Slots in person and I can assure you they are not crooks. Since Liberty Slots is US facing, and the climate in the US is rather whacked out, they choose to be anon - that's it. I am convinced that they are not trying to rip anyone off, and that they are not connected to any past roguish activities of other operators.

Now I'll go away - see you in a week

 

[all4greed]

Good enough for me with a pending withdrawal...

 

[Nifty29]

<sigh> I knew I shouldn't have looked at the forum while on holiday

Anyway - right before I left, I met with one of the reps from Liberty Slots in person and I can assure you they are not crooks. Since Liberty Slots is US facing, and the climate in the US is rather whacked out, they choose to be anon - that's it. I am convinced that they are not trying to rip anyone off, and that they are not connected to any past roguish activities of other operators.

Now I'll go away - see you in a week

I can't speak for anyone else, but I wasn't suggesting they were crooks.

Considering plenty of other operators serve US players and are happy to be open about licencing, it has to raise a red flag when one operator either doesn't have a licence, or won't tell anyone about the one they have. I think its prudent and reasonable to be questioning such things.

If the reason for the issues is US ownership or operation, then what happens if the DOJ finds out and shuts them down?

I still don't like it.

 

[chayton]

Anyway - right before I left, I met with one of the reps from Liberty Slots in person and I can assure you they are not crooks. Since Liberty Slots is US facing, and the climate in the US is rather whacked out, they choose to be anon - that's it. I am convinced that they are not trying to rip anyone off, and that they are not connected to any past roguish activities of other operators.

Well in that case please don't forget when you get back to change this - which is on the front page of the main site.

 

[P.V.]

Considering plenty of other operators serve US players and are happy to be open about licencing, it has to raise a red flag when one operator either doesn't have a licence, or won't tell anyone about the one they have. I think its prudent and reasonable to be questioning such things.

I took a quick look just now and it appears that Eliot Jacobson audited the games., maybe he knows where it's licensed?

Not trying to be dubious but Nifty makes a cogent point.

 

[P.V.]

Well in that case please don't forget when you get back to change this - which is on the front page of the main site.

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I'm confused, says not recommended due to unorthodox methods and a secret license.

 

[jetset]

I've seen unlicensed rogues claiming to have a licence when they haven't, but this is the first time I have come across an operator who claims to have a licence but will not disclose where for fear of US enforcement. That's a red flag for me, for the reasons Nifty has outlined above.

I would imagine if these guys are scared of US enforcement to that extent, they would have given more thought to where their support is located, too.

Allied to the other thread where we discussed the software and boiler plate website at some length (and we have only the assurance from the company itself on the separate nature of its operations vis-a-vis the erstwhile English Harbour and Vegas Tech group) I keep getting this uncomfortable feeling that these folks are trying to pull the wool over our eyes for reasons of their own.

 

[rockycatt]

i take it from Bryan's endorsement he must know inside info to endorse like he did , and that's OK by me

after all he is the main source of investigation on the board [so i'm good with that ]

 

[vinylweatherman]

I've seen unlicensed rogues claiming to have a licence when they haven't, but this is the first time I have come across an operator who claims to have a licence but will not disclose where for fear of US enforcement. That's a red flag for me, for the reasons Nifty has outlined above.

I would imagine if these guys are scared of US enforcement to that extent, they would have given more thought to where their support is located, too.

Allied to the other thread where we discussed the software and boiler plate website at some length (and we have only the assurance from the company itself on the separate nature of its operations vis-a-vis the erstwhile English Harbour and Vegas Tech group) I keep getting this uncomfortable feeling that these folks are trying to pull the wool over our eyes for reasons of their own.

The other problem is that for some reason, all their affiliates are stating that they are licensed in the Netherlands Antilles. Surely affiliates don't just pull this from their ass, someone has told them to put this on their site as "approved content". Affiliates cannot have found this out for themselves either, as no licensing information has been given out by LS to anyone.

More importantly, these are reviews for "libertyslots(dot)eu", which is the non-US facing arm. This is a casino with no license marketing to non-US players, but having their affiliates lie by stating that they have a license from Netherlands Antilles.

If anyone knows an affiliate who runs one of these sites, they could ask who gave them the information that they have posted about the license. I find it hard to believe that a large number of affiliates have all decided to make up a fake license, and all chosen the same lie.

If they have a secret license, they should make sure their affiliates do NOT post falsely reassuring claims about them having a license which they don't, as this is WORSE than simply saying nothing at all about licensing.

 

[bb28]

I still think there are a lot of questions and inconsistencies that deserve answers. I also think any group/casino that enters the US market under the current conditions is taking a huge risk and if anyone ought to know that.....they should and they do, so I think their lack of being forthcoming with some answers does not bid well for them. I understand the need to keep some aspects under wraps but still. They still have not answered the question as to where they got players info that they invited via email before their official opening.

While I highly respect CM's opinion, LS wouldn't be the 1st casino to be dodgy and that has been put in the rogue pit or worse such as left players without their funds in hand after he has given them the benefit of the doubt.