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Are Liberty Slots worse crooks than we think?

Discussion in 'Online Casinos' started by maphesto, Apr 5, 2012.

  1. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    I don´t know if someone has set this up as a prank, but I don´t think so!

    I have found a specific bond between Liberty Slots and Curgam Malta Ltd (Mighty Slots etc).

    I googled Liberty Slots phone numbers and found the exact same numbers on this page: millionaireclubcasino.com

    Liberty Slots:

    Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Liberty Slots.

    Toll-Free:

    1-800-571-4049

    Regular line:

    1-678-349-0094


    Millionaire Club Casino:

    Our Contact Support Center is provided by the friendly team at Millionaire Club Casino.

    Toll-Free:

    1-800-501-4049

    Regular line:

    1-608-309-0094


    That page at millionaireclubcasino is setup for a VT-casino but is not in use, and a simple ip-check gave me 10 pages at same IP.

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    I think the page xxhttp://millionaireclubcasino.com/support.php is up by mistake because you can´t find it if you use www.

    The strange thing is that they use the "club" after the old VT-casino name millionaire and this is exactly what they did at those VT-casinos which became Top Game casinos.
     
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  2. Realitybitez

    Realitybitez Experienced Member

    Damm!!!! They have some really cool games. I was sooo hoping they werent a scam casino:(
     
  3. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    Which VT casinos switched to Top Game?
    (I don't remember that!)

    It is also possible that 2 unrelated casinos/groups use shared outsourced support - it has been seen several times in the past.

    KK
     
  4. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    @KK: Crazy Slots became Crazy Slots Club, they use Top Game software today. Same with Golden Casino/goldencasinoclub and Go Casino/gocasinoclub.
     
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  5. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

    Great detectivework Maephesto:thumbsup:

    Stupid question maybe, but I never played at English Harbour. They were accused of being changing to Liberty Slots, and those casinos you mentioned here, wasn't they in the same group as EH?
    I'm trying to get it all together here;)
     
  6. Seventh777

    Seventh777 RIP Roy

    You are correct hun, Go Casino Club has exactly the same icon as they had when they were Go Casino, I joined them and asked CS if they were the same outfit as when they were Go Casino and the CS said yes.
     
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  7. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Tirilej: If you wonder about those other casinos on the same server they are Rogue RTG-casinos. NO, absolutely no serious casino wants to admit they have bonds with that group.
     
  8. Tirilej

    Tirilej Still a Lady CAG MM

    That was one of the first things I learned about in this gamblingworld, but thanks for the thought...and at least everyone that reads this thread will know it by now:)
     
  9. Realitybitez

    Realitybitez Experienced Member

    '
    You have a headache doll, Im drunk as a skunk. Please expand? What group of casinos is this? I want to know what to avoid;)
     
  10. Mousey

    Mousey Ueber Meister Mouse CAG

    Before someone asks why we don't leave Liberty Slots alone.... They have left themselves wide open to this poking around by players because they will not voluntarily offer up any info as to who they are, where they are licensed, and why they are focusing on USA players in the first place.

    Shared support #'s with crap casinos isn't exactly damning, but it's not good...
     
  11. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    One crafty test is to phone the similar Millionaires club number and ask about a problem you are having depositing at Liberty Slots. They should be unable to help, or may try to get you to deposit at Millionaires club instead. If they proceed to address your LS query, you have a positive connection of it being support shared between both groups.

    A true landline number would be an even better test. Toll free numbers are allocated in sequential series to specific carriers, and this can generate such coincidences.
     
  12. maphesto

    maphesto Ueber Meister CAG MM webmeister

    Sorry! I messed up in my first post, the number I googled was Liberty Slots and this came up, the same number exactly!
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  13. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    Oh dear!

    That is pretty damning evidence.

    It's not just the same outsourced support, it's the same LINE. Outsourced support usually has specific incoming lines for specific clients, so that the agent knows which client a call is for, and can deliver the correct greeting.

    The above test WOULD therefore work. The inbound lines are the same, so when the call is answered, the agent does not know whether it is about Liberty Slots or Millionaires club. This is something they have to establish during the greeting stage.

    How EXACTLY are you greeted when phoning LS?

    Do they start "Liberty Slots, how may I help you" or is it "hello, my name is ------, can I have your account number please". The trick here is that they don't give the game away in the greeting, so establish which client they have to work for from the reference given by the customer. They then know, and make sure they use the correct business name for the rest of the call.

    Sometimes outsourced support gets it wrong, and carelessly mentions the name of another business instead. This is often how outsourced CS and "white labels" get busted where they are trying to keep it a secret from players.

    Now, who else shares the same number.

    This is beyond coincidence, the imagery is the same, as well as the number. Clearly a single template with the revelant casino name and email address dropped in. The most innocent explanation I can think of is that LS have outsourced their support to Millionaires club.
     
  14. KasinoKing

    KasinoKing WebMeister & Slotaholic.. CAG MM PABnonaccred webmeister

    No, they were a different group.
    For ref...

    Casino Coins Group were:
    English Harbour
    SuperSlots
    Silver Dollar
    Caribbean Gold
    VIP Slots
    Slots Galore
    Millionaire

    Best Casino Partners were:
    Crazy Slots
    Go Casino
    Grand Vegas
    Online Vegas
    And possibly 2 more (I was never 100% certain!)

    For information; When these groups shut up shop, Casino Coins DID pay me the commission I was owed at the time, Best Casino Partners did NOT :mad:

    KK
     
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  15. chayton

    chayton aka LooHoo CAG PABnonaccred webmeister

    Isn't Liberty Slots already in the rogue pit? I thought I saw something on the main site about a non-existent license or something like that...?
     
  16. LibertySlots

    LibertySlots I-Gaming Industry Representative

    Hi All,

    Before anyone goes rushing to conclusions, Liberty Slots is in absolutely no way related to Millionaire Club. This is scraped content from our website.

    We were unaware of this websites existence until it was posted here and are investigating the scraped content.

    The phone number you see on their site is OUR support number and only OUR support number.

    Regards,

    Dylan
     
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  17. rockycatt

    rockycatt meistercatt CAG MM

    LIBERTY SLOTS Please make a statement about the on going fear / doubt that shadows you here on the license thing were not asking you to incriminate but put to rest the conjecture that is surrounding the license thing [every one here is wishing you guys are above board ] but this issue is a dead horse hanging

    thank you very much rockycatt
     
    Last edited: Apr 5, 2012
  18. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM


    What motive would there be to do this?

    From KK's post. Both English Harbour and Millionaire were "Casino Coins" properties. This entire group closed down, and Vegas Technology sold the software off and itself closed down. The new software company then licensed the software to Liberty Slots, itself a completely new group.

    Liberty Slots is ALSO guilty of a "site scrape", as it simply copied the entire English Harbour website and tweaked it ( and not all that carefully either) into a Liberty Slots website.

    Whoever now owns the defunct Millionaire's club website simply did the same, scraped the Liberty Slots website and made it into a Millionaires' club one, and was equally careless in that they forgot to alter the phone numbers, leading to a Millionaires club website with Liberty Slots phone numbers.

    This is bound to cause probing questions to be asked, and all the other oddities surrounding Liberty Slots, including their lack of a recognised gaming license, just makes matters worse.

    With Millionaires' club having closed down along with the rest of the casino coins group, how come there has been NEW work on this website that has caused the CURRENT Liberty Slots phone number to end up there after a site scrape. Who the hell spends time and money on a dead website with no likely payoff?

    We are sure to find out soon enough.
     
  19. LibertySlots

    LibertySlots I-Gaming Industry Representative

    The software provider has been contacted regarding Millionaire Club Casino's website.

    VWM, Millionaire Club Casino from my knowledge is a new website/brand. The old CasinoCoins casino was called Millionaire Casino.

    In regards to the gaming license, this has already been discussed in length. We are operating above board and are treating both our affiliates and players well. It has been explained why we have chosen not to publicly post our licensing information.
     
  20. vinylweatherman

    vinylweatherman You type well loads CAG MM

    No LEGITIMATE licensing jurisdiction would ALLOW this, therefore whatever you have in terms of a license is not to be trusted. One common factor of ANY license is that it proves to CUSTIMERS that you have been passed as fit to operate according to whatever jurisdiction issues the license.

    If it is a secret license, it is a COMPANY license, not a GAMING license, and probably one granted by a jurisdiction such as Belize, where companies are able to register and keep much of their company information hidden.

    Belize DO issue such "company" licenses for companies to base themselves there and operate overseas. As this is a license to operate a company, rather than a license intended to regulate the way customers are dealt with, this CAN be kept secret, and be no problem for the issuing authority.

    We can certainly say where LS is NOT licensed, and that is with ANY jurisdiction that requires this information to be publicly available, either from the operator, or on their own websites. With these jurisdictions ruled out as possible licensing jurisdictions for LS, we seem to have nothing left other than jurisdictions like Belize, Panama, and Costa Rica, which don't issue gaming licenses anyway.

    The most likely conclusion is that LS is operating without one.

    If Millionaire Club is a new operation, and unconnected to LS, it seems odd that they would nick YOUR content, rather than the content of a casino that at least uses the same software as itself.

    If I had to design a site for, say, a Playtech casino, but decided to take a short cut and nick someone else's hard work, I would go for another Playtech site, less work involved in modifying the content. I would NOT nick, say, a Microgaming site, and then be faced with almost as much work changing it to a Playtech one as I would have faced starting from scratch.

    This could even get more interesting if this new operator takes exception to this accusation.
     
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