President Trump

[goatwack]

Well, I wont type them out or use them, but I can think of a hundred racial slurs, and if I were wrong about the person's ethnic background or origin, it wouldnt make it any less a slur.

The word Pocahontas is not a slur

 

[dionysus]

The word Pocahontas is not a slur

living on an island of 50% native population, Id have to strongly disagree on that one

 

[goatwack]

living on an island of 50% native population, Id have to strongly disagree on that one

She's not native American, so how is it a slur against her or native Americans?

 

[dionysus]

She's not native American, so how is a slur against her or native Americans?

If I called someone a p*ki and they werent from Pakistan, but say, India, it wouldnt make it any less a slur

 

[goatwack]

If I called someone a p*ki and they werent from Pakistan, but say, India, it wouldnt make it any less a slur

But in your example person B is proven to be from India, so there shouldn't be any dispute. Using the incorrect term would be done to offend with malice.

Elizabeth Warren is not someone I'd mistakenly confuse with any other race, so it's not even comparable. The reference to Pocahontas isn't based on her physical appearance but her claims to Native ancestry.

 

[lockinlove]

About far left as you can get if people find that offensive. Even the natives he spoke with face to face didnt even flinch.

And I lived in Parry Sound Ontario and went to school with all the natives and partied out on their reserve and not a single native would be offended by the way this was said. They would actually laugh or confront the idiot making the false claim.

 

[dionysus]

About far left as you can get if people find that offensive. Even the natives he spoke with face to face didnt even flinch.

And I lived in Parry Sound Ontario and went to school with all the natives and partied out on their reserve and not a single native would be offended by the way this was said. They would actually laugh or confront the idiot making the false claim.

that's not universal -I'm not terribly far from Parry Sound - and yes, some would shrug it off and some wouldnt - it has 0 to do with being left - my family lives on the res here, are native, and I can quantifibaly say, some would find it offensive

edit to add: I'm not speaking for the whole, but besides a great many native friends, and last 2 exes being native, family aside, i do speak from experience and not projection

 

[lockinlove]

Probably some hyperbole by me when I said not a single one would be offended. The ones I knew wouldnt be anyways. And I for sure dont think it was given the context. I do think it was a stupid thing to say especially in a room full of natives that he was celebrating. Not because it was racist but because why bring something like that up.

But I think the story, if there is one is this lady doing this when its clearly untrue. And when they dug around about her they could find no relation, even when they asked family members. She just said oh, I have no proof I was just told that by my parents. Yeah ok lady.

 

[dionysus]

I decided to test the theory, by openly posting on my FB - as several dozen native friends are online- querying, is Pocahontas a slur? I explained, is it always, sometimes, or occassionally a slur
The response, nearly 100%, came down to intent, and familiarity.
No, it can be complimentary if the intent was likening to beauty. Insulting as a broad reference. And how, or why was it being referenced.

The point being - know your audience and why was it referenced. Know the crowd. And the rationale, as to why it was thrown out.

 

[dionysus]

Probably some hyperbole by me when I said not a single one would be offended. The ones I knew wouldnt be anyways. And I for sure dont think it was given the context. I do think it was a stupid thing to say especially in a room full of natives that he was celebrating. Not because it was racist but because why bring something like that up.

But I think the story, if there is one is this lady doing this when its clearly untrue. And when they dug around about her they could find no relation, even when they asked family members. She just said oh, I have no proof I was just told that by my parents. Yeah ok lady.

agreed. context is key.

 

[goatwack]

Of course it's about context and intent. She claims to be native American. Not only is she not, but has built her career based on that kickstarter. Who would truly find reference to a beautiful native princess hurtful. The funny part being that she's so far removed from Pocahontas both physically & culturally, she's the liar here. There's no point explaining sardonic 'wit' if people don't get it, there's only so many times you can break down what was being said.

Trump wasn't mocking native Americans. He was mocking EW for her spurious ties to being native American.

He didn't meet with elders on a reservation and ask which one of them was Pocahontas, although you could be forgiven for thinking he did.

The real tragedy is how the media twists context to suit their narrative, and EW resorting making cheap racism claims because she's been found out to be a fraud.

 

[dionysus]

I'm not endorsing nor slamming his words - rather, expressing, it is, and can be, a slur - the recipient's nationality can be moot.

 

[goatwack]

The whole point of the recipient being non-native is rather the point. The standalone word 'Pocahontas' is not an offensive word.

He used it within the right context, but I still think it's un-presidential. A talk-show host, maybe.

It would have also lost its meaning had he used pinnochio, let's just say.

 

[Steviedoo]

If I call you the n word and you are not african American. It’s not a racial slur???

This argument has no basis. And Elizabeth warren is Native American.

Sorry. It’s never been proven other wise. Fake news.

If you are going to argue. Use facts.

And I’m sorry if I tell you I’m part Jewishcuz my mother used to tell me stories about her grandma and the sabbath. Are you going to ask me to prove it?

If I tell you I’m part African American. Are you going to ask me to prove it.

The fact that the senator she unseated decided to demand she submit to some sort of test is offensive. And so typical of of the Republican Party. (Look at what is happening with the parkland teens and the attacks they are being subjected to from nra and republicans like Laura I. )

Trump used that term to belittle her. And you can argue all day long here about how it’s not offensive. He used it to put her down. That was the intent.

And the point of this whole argument is that he is a bully and uses these terms so frequently it is disgusting and not fit for a man who is president.

lil marco Rubio. Low energy jeb Bush. Lying ted Cruz and on and on and on

 

[Harry_BKK]

If I call you the n word and you are not african American. It’s not a racial slur???

This argument has no basis. And Elizabeth warren is Native American.

Sorry. It’s never been proven other wise. Fake news.

If you are going to argue. Use facts.

And I’m sorry if I tell you I’m part Jewishcuz my mother used to tell me stories about her grandma and the sabbath. Are you going to ask me to prove it?

If I tell you I’m part African American. Are you going to ask me to prove it.

The fact that the senator she unseated decided to demand she submit to some sort of test is offensive. And so typical of of the Republican Party. (Look at what is happening with the parkland teens and the attacks they are being subjected to from nra and republicans like Laura I. )

Trump used that term to belittle her. And you can argue all day long here about how it’s not offensive. He used it to put her down. That was the intent.

And the point of this whole argument is that he is a bully and uses these terms so frequently it is disgusting and not fit for a man who is president.

lil marco Rubio. Low energy jeb Bush. Lying ted Cruz and on and on and on

The issue for me is not the word itself, it is because Mr. T. is using it on purpose to rile up his base and fans like lockinlove. He thinks that by using derogatory words and slurring everything and everyone through the mud, he will be in the spotlight as a winner. And his fans will do anything to defend him.

I found it absolutely disgusting when he "tried" to honor the Navajo heroes while standing in front of a painting of Andrew Jackson and then throwing in his stupid Pocahontas joke. And he did it knowingly. You can't go any lower than that.

He is using his NY honed "skills", where bullying and buldozering your way to "success" worked, as president of the US. The only reason he went in as a candidate is because he so desperately wanted the recognition he thought he deserved, be it among the high circles in NY, the billionaires in Davos etc.

Anything anyone has done in the past is horrible, the worst, very very bad....anything he does is the best, tremendous, very very good, huge, etc. The latest example is the "new" South-Korea trade deal which Mr. T called horrible and a job killer. The new deal is of course now quote: "This agreement is visionary and innovative," - but when you read what has changed you can only start to laugh.

- each US car maker can now export per year 50,000 instead of 25,000 cars to SK without adhering to the stricter SK regulations --> until now no car maker sold more than 11,000 cars/year
- tariffs on SK truck imports to the US extended from 2021 - 2041 --> truck imports in the last years from SK = 0.00 trucks
- they got a little concession on steel and aluminum which will hardly be an improvement.

Of course, for Mr. T this is called "winning until you are tired of winning" only that the reality is that now he got the US the "BEST HORRIBLE DEAL" if I may use his words. But he keeps thinking that running into everywhere with a YUUUUGE bulldozer will see all going onto their knees and begging for mercy.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I dont think it was lose, lose. I think Trump would have beaten most candidates because the American public was tired of the lying and empty promises, especially after Obama. He was supposed to be the greatest president ever. He promised it all and he didnt even deliver close to half. That is when Trump arose and the people said screw this, Im with him. No more stinky politicians.

After these 4 years, the people will decide if they are happy with what the chose instead of they usual

Shall I post you how many promises Mr. T made before his election and how many he has broken! Best example is his "contract" with dozens of promises that he will complete within the first 100 days. Look at the list and then you will know what "empty promises" means.

- Where are those "clean coal jobs"?
- Where is the 3%, 4, even 6% and higher growth?
- Where is the border wall?
- Where is the cheap and beautiful health care?
- list by far not complete.

 

[Harry_BKK]

I don't know but if my chancellor would say the following, she would be out asap:

- "I want to do many things with the DOJ and the FBI which I would like to do but I can't"
- Pushing for end to filibuster rule in the senate
- Asking for "line-item veto"
- Attacking openly any government institution that does not do his bidding
- Attacking private companies like Amazon repeatedly on Twitter, and that with lies. --> as a private citizen he would have been sued for billions by investors
- again list by far not complete.

 

[slotplayer]

Could the problem be the left are radicals that are offended by almost everything?

 

[Steviedoo]

Could the problem be the left are radicals that are offended by almost everything?

could the problem be the right are radicals and are offensive about almost everything?

 

[Steviedoo]

Shall I post you how many promises Mr. T made before his election and how many he has broken! Best example is his "contract" with dozens of promises that he will complete within the first 100 days. Look at the list and then you will know what "empty promises" means.

- Where are those "clean coal jobs"?
- Where is the 3%, 4, even 6% and higher growth?
- Where is the border wall?
- Where is the cheap and beautiful health care?
- list by far not complete.

...the mexicans were supposed to pay for that wall

 

[Steviedoo]

The issue for me is not the word itself, it is because Mr. T. is using it on purpose to rile up his base and fans like lockinlove. He thinks that by using derogatory words and slurring everything and everyone through the mud, he will be in the spotlight as a winner. And his fans will do anything to defend him.

I found it absolutely disgusting when he "tried" to honor the Navajo heroes while standing in front of a painting of Andrew Jackson and then throwing in his stupid Pocahontas joke. And he did it knowingly. You can't go any lower than that.

He is using his NY honed "skills", where bullying and buldozering your way to "success" worked, as president of the US. The only reason he went in as a candidate is because he so desperately wanted the recognition he thought he deserved, be it among the high circles in NY, the billionaires in Davos etc.

Anything anyone has done in the past is horrible, the worst, very very bad....anything he does is the best, tremendous, very very good, huge, etc. The latest example is the "new" South-Korea trade deal which Mr. T called horrible and a job killer. The new deal is of course now quote: "This agreement is visionary and innovative," - but when you read what has changed you can only start to laugh.

- each US car maker can now export per year 50,000 instead of 25,000 cars to SK without adhering to the stricter SK regulations --> until now no car maker sold more than 11,000 cars/year
- tariffs on SK truck imports to the US extended from 2021 - 2041 --> truck imports in the last years from SK = 0.00 trucks
- they got a little concession on steel and aluminum which will hardly be an improvement.

Of course, for Mr. T this is called "winning until you are tired of winning" only that the reality is that now he got the US the "BEST HORRIBLE DEAL" if I may use his words. But he keeps thinking that running into everywhere with a YUUUUGE bulldozer will see all going onto their knees and begging for mercy.

well yes its not the word but lockinlove and company have been arguing how the word itself is not offensive...and that the left is too sensitive...its the fact he uses it as a weapon to put down the other side cuz he cannot maybe come up with a better argument...

 

[Harry_BKK]

well yes its not the word but lockinlove and company have been arguing how the word itself is not offensive...and that the left is too sensitive...its the fact he uses it as a weapon to put down the other side cuz he cannot maybe come up with a better argument...

Sorry, I might have said it the wrong way.

I meant it is the way the word is used. And that is to try and denigrate another person. That is in my view far below the standard of any human decency, let alone the president of a country.

 

[slotplayer]

could the problem be the right are radicals and are offensive about almost everything?

no, not at all, the right aren't pc, see racism in everything, can't distinguish between legal and illegal immigration, promote sanctuary cities.

 

[SpinUk]

I don't know but if my chancellor would say the following, she would be out asap:

- "I want to do many things with the DOJ and the FBI which I would like to do but I can't"
- Pushing for end to filibuster rule in the senate
- Asking for "line-item veto"
- Attacking openly any government institution that does not do his bidding
- Attacking private companies like Amazon repeatedly on Twitter, and that with lies. --> as a private citizen he would have been sued for billions by investors
- again list by far not complete.

How you can defend that disgrace of a country and still have an ounce of humanity in your body is beyond me. Here in the UK the drivers are paid on a self employed (no national insurance paid) on £0.75 per parcel. They are docked wages for “late deliveries”.

They bypass all of their lower value items under £15 through the Isle of Man, thereby avoiding 20% VAT (sales tax). This has obviously blown the rival smaller and independant booksellers out the water, as they are already 20% ahead on price.

Their packing houses have been likened to concerntration camps with timed breaks for water and toilet breaks, with fines for going over. The vast majority of these are staffed by eastern european staff prepared to work for peanuts. Of course the tax payer picks up the the differance between what Amazon pays them and the living wage, with tax credits.

They funnel their money through the Dutch Sandwich Tax loophole with their balance sheet accounted through Luxembourg, so after leeching the UK they end up paying almost no corporation tax here.

They are the perfect example of a Globalists dream, everyone gets cheap delivery and cheaper items, at the expense of the poor people having to work for them and the Host country. Sounds to be the same in the US. And anyone coming after them will be met by an army of the best lawyers money can buy. But hey, f**k it, its only poor people and communities right?

Defend that sort of shit but point out Trump once made some sexist comments in private. Yep, thats about right for a Liberal.

 

[Harry_BKK]

How you can defend that disgrace of a country and still have an ounce of humanity in your body is beyond me. Here in the UK the drivers are paid on a self employed (no national insurance paid) on £0.75 per parcel. They are docked wages for “late deliveries”.

They bypass all of their lower value items under £15 through the Isle of Man, thereby avoiding 20% VAT (sales tax). This has obviously blown the rival smaller and independant booksellers out the water, as they are already 20% ahead on price.

Their packing houses have been likened to concerntration camps with timed breaks for water and toilet breaks, with fines for going over. The vast majority of these are staffed by eastern european staff prepared to work for peanuts. Of course the tax payer picks up the the differance between what Amazon pays them and the living wage, with tax credits.

They funnel their money through the Dutch Sandwich Tax loophole with their balance sheet accounted through Luxembourg, so after leeching the UK they end up paying almost no corporation tax here.

They are the perfect example of a Globalists dream, everyone gets cheap delivery and cheaper items, at the expense of the poor people having to work for them and the Host country. Sounds to be the same in the US. And anyone coming after them will be met by an army of the best lawyers money can buy. But hey, f**k it, its only poor people and communities right?

Defend that sort of shit but point of Trump once made some sexist comments in private. Yep, thats about right for a Liberal.

I do not condone what Amazon is doing but they are only as successful because millions of people buy from them and those people are your everyday normal folks who will go to any extend to save a few dollars on the price of the next item they buy.

It is not the president's business to single out one company and that by tweeting pure lies as well. The Mr. T - Amazon thing is a personal issue because Bezos owns the Washington Post which is known for its unfavorable reporting of Mr. T's doings. Slurring a company like Amazon easily shaves off $50 billion in stock value over night just because he thinks he can throw anyone and everything under the bus. Any private person doing that would be sued by the big shareholders for the losses, Mr. T. knows of course that he can't.

Amazon is doing exactly what other companies are doing, maximizing profits for its shareholders. Not that I think that is always the best thing. It was one of the main reasons I sold all my shares more than a decade ago, including Apple, Google and a few more which would have made me a millionaire at today's share prizes.

 

[SpinUk]

I do not condone what Amazon is doing but they are only as successful because millions of people buy from them and those people are your everyday normal folks who will go to any extend to save a few dollars on the price of the next item they buy. - by not competing on a level playing field with their competitors and by exploiting their host countries on a fiscal level. That is the only reason they are “successful”. There is nothing profound about what they do.

It is not the president's business to single out one company and that by tweeting pure lies as well. The Mr. T - Amazon thing is a personal issue because Bezos owns the Washington Post which is known for its unfavorable reporting of Mr. T's doings. Slurring a company like Amazon shaves off $50 billion in stock value over night just because he thinks he can throw anyone and everything under the bus. Any private person doing that would be sued by the big shareholders for the losses, Mr. T. knows of course that he can't. - it is his business when he is calling out a parasite company that is leeching from and exploiting state owned services.

Amazon is doing exactly what other companies are doing, maximizing profits for its shareholders. Not that I think that is always the best thing. It was one of the main reasons I sold all my shares more than a decade ago, including Apple, Google and a few more which would have made me a millionaire at today's share prizes.

Everyone’s doing it so its justified? Nazi Germany was founded on such a premise. Fair play to you for selling the stock.

 

[goatwack]

well yes its not the word but lockinlove and company have been arguing how the word itself is not offensive...and that the left is too sensitive...its the fact he uses it as a weapon to put down the other side cuz he cannot maybe come up with a better argument...

So which is it to be then.....is it the word or isn't it the word, you seem unsure now?

I'll start by saying the word Pocahontas is nowhere near as offensive as the n word....

 

[Steviedoo]

So which is it to be then.....is it the word or isn't it the word, you seem unsure now?

I'll start by saying the word Pocahontas is nowhere near as offensive as the n word....

And no there is no uncertainty.
go back to my first post. Lockinlove made it about the word.

In my original post I was just trying to exemplify how trump is a bully.

And so locki chose to say that pocohontas wasn’t racist or offensive.

And so as it often happens on this thread the big picture is lost in arguing about a detail.

And yes the word pocohontas is not like the n word cuz it’s not been used as often.

And bringing up whether the word is offensive is or isn’t and Wasn’t the point of my original post. The man is a bully.

 

[goatwack]

And no there is no uncertainty.
go back to my first post. Lockinlove made it about the word.

In my original post I was just trying to exemplify how trump is a bully.

And so locki chose to say that pocohontas wasn’t racist or offensive.

And so as it often happens on this thread the big picture is lost in arguing about a detail.

And yes the word pocohontas is not like the n word cuz it’s not been used as often.

And bringing up whether the word is offensive is or isn’t and Wasn’t the point of my original post. The man is a bully.

I don't disagree with that he uses bullying tactics, nor that he shouldn't be using name- calling in any form. I just feel it important to differentiate context. Too often are accusations thrown about by people in the media such as racist, and everyone immediately gets the pitchforks out.

I do think Trump can be a grade- A nob but on this occasion the racist tag was not appropriate, and very, very cheap.

Calling all Mexicans immigrants rapists and murderers in his presidential campaign is racist.

Calling someone who has no proof other than word of mouth, of being native American 'Pocahontas' is aimed solely at her deceitfulness, not the Cherokee, Apache, Comanche and all other native American heritage. That's looking for something that was never said....

 

[slotplayer]

How you can defend that disgrace of a country and still have an ounce of humanity in your body is beyond me. Here in the UK the drivers are paid on a self employed (no national insurance paid) on £0.75 per parcel. They are docked wages for “late deliveries”.

They bypass all of their lower value items under £15 through the Isle of Man, thereby avoiding 20% VAT (sales tax). This has obviously blown the rival smaller and independant booksellers out the water, as they are already 20% ahead on price.

Their packing houses have been likened to concerntration camps with timed breaks for water and toilet breaks, with fines for going over. The vast majority of these are staffed by eastern european staff prepared to work for peanuts. Of course the tax payer picks up the the differance between what Amazon pays them and the living wage, with tax credits.

They funnel their money through the Dutch Sandwich Tax loophole with their balance sheet accounted through Luxembourg, so after leeching the UK they end up paying almost no corporation tax here.

They are the perfect example of a Globalists dream, everyone gets cheap delivery and cheaper items, at the expense of the poor people having to work for them and the Host country. Sounds to be the same in the US. And anyone coming after them will be met by an army of the best lawyers money can buy. But hey, f**k it, its only poor people and communities right?

Defend that sort of shit but point out Trump once made some sexist comments in private. Yep, thats about right for a Liberal.

I don't think its the same here in the USA. The devil is in the details but they look pretty standard to benefits I received while working in high tech.

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[slotplayer]

I don't disagree with that he uses bullying tactics, nor that he shouldn't be using name- calling in any form. I just feel it important to differentiate context. Too often are accusations thrown about by people in the media such as racist, and everyone immediately gets the pitchforks out.

I do think Trump can be a grade- A nob but on this occasion the racist tag was not appropriate, and very, very cheap.

Calling all Mexicans immigrants rapists and murderers in his presidential campaign is racist.

Calling someone who has no proof other than word of mouth, of being native American 'Pocahontas' is aimed solely at her deceitfulness, not the Cherokee, Apache, Comanche and all other native American heritage. That's looking for something that was never said....

I don't think he said "all", not the way I remember it.

here is the full quote if its the correct one.

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best," Trump said. "They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

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[Harry_BKK]

I don't think he said "all", not the way I remember it.

here is the full quote if its the correct one.

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best," Trump said. "They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

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And in your opinion how far from "all" is this: "And some, I assume, are good people."?

 

[slotplayer]

And in your opinion how far from "all" is this: "And some, I assume, are good people."?

Report things accurately as humanly possible and if you're right there can't be no dispute.

 

[goatwack]

I don't think he said "all", not the way I remember it.

here is the full quote if its the correct one.

"When Mexico sends its people, they’re not sending their best," Trump said. "They’re not sending you. They’re not sending you. They’re sending people that have lots of problems, and they’re bringing those problems with us. They’re bringing drugs. They’re bringing crime. They’re rapists. And some, I assume, are good people."

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I think it's safe to assume most will know what he's alluding to with that statement. Of course he's not going to say 'all', even he's not that tactless!

 

[lockinlove]

The issue for me is not the word itself, it is because Mr. T. is using it on purpose to rile up his base and fans like lockinlove. He thinks that by using derogatory words and slurring everything and everyone through the mud, he will be in the spotlight as a winner. And his fans will do anything to defend him.

I found it absolutely disgusting when he "tried" to honor the Navajo heroes while standing in front of a painting of Andrew Jackson and then throwing in his stupid Pocahontas joke. And he did it knowingly. You can't go any lower than that.

He is using his NY honed "skills", where bullying and buldozering your way to "success" worked, as president of the US. The only reason he went in as a candidate is because he so desperately wanted the recognition he thought he deserved, be it among the high circles in NY, the billionaires in Davos etc.

Anything anyone has done in the past is horrible, the worst, very very bad....anything he does is the best, tremendous, very very good, huge, etc. The latest example is the "new" South-Korea trade deal which Mr. T called horrible and a job killer. The new deal is of course now quote: "This agreement is visionary and innovative," - but when you read what has changed you can only start to laugh.

- each US car maker can now export per year 50,000 instead of 25,000 cars to SK without adhering to the stricter SK regulations --> until now no car maker sold more than 11,000 cars/year
- tariffs on SK truck imports to the US extended from 2021 - 2041 --> truck imports in the last years from SK = 0.00 trucks
- they got a little concession on steel and aluminum which will hardly be an improvement.

Of course, for Mr. T this is called "winning until you are tired of winning" only that the reality is that now he got the US the "BEST HORRIBLE DEAL" if I may use his words. But he keeps thinking that running into everywhere with a YUUUUGE bulldozer will see all going onto their knees and begging for mercy.

awwww using me in your example. What a sweetheart you are.

So I guess we can call me a fan and I will now refer to you as hater harry. You know cause im such a fan I should copy trump with his nickname stuff.

Were you absolutely disgusted? Or is that more hyperbole? Were you so mad you took to twitter?

Anything anyone has done in the past is horrible but not Trump? Who in here said that? Oh right assumptions.

I am curious if you suddenly became new to politics? The amount of anger you have towards a politician not doing everything they say seems to be surprising to you. Good thing you werent into politics when Obama was president, you would be one furious guy

 

[lockinlove]

If I call you the n word and you are not african American. It’s not a racial slur???

This argument has no basis. And Elizabeth warren is Native American.

Sorry. It’s never been proven other wise. Fake news.

If you are going to argue. Use facts.

And I’m sorry if I tell you I’m part Jewishcuz my mother used to tell me stories about her grandma and the sabbath. Are you going to ask me to prove it?

If I tell you I’m part African American. Are you going to ask me to prove it.

The fact that the senator she unseated decided to demand she submit to some sort of test is offensive. And so typical of of the Republican Party. (Look at what is happening with the parkland teens and the attacks they are being subjected to from nra and republicans like Laura I. )

Trump used that term to belittle her. And you can argue all day long here about how it’s not offensive. He used it to put her down. That was the intent.

And the point of this whole argument is that he is a bully and uses these terms so frequently it is disgusting and not fit for a man who is president.

lil marco Rubio. Low energy jeb Bush. Lying ted Cruz and on and on and on

Guess why you feel comfortable writing the word pocahontas but not the N word?

 

[goatwack]

Guess why you feel comfortable writing the word pocahontas but not the N word?

I'm just pre-empting you before you quote me

 

[lockinlove]

I'm just pre-empting you before you quote me

lol was just getting to you

 

[lockinlove]

I don't disagree with that he uses bullying tactics, nor that he shouldn't be using name- calling in any form. I just feel it important to differentiate context. Too often are accusations thrown about by people in the media such as racist, and everyone immediately gets the pitchforks out.

I do think Trump can be a grade- A nob but on this occasion the racist tag was not appropriate, and very, very cheap.

Calling all Mexicans immigrants rapists and murderers in his presidential campaign is racist.

Calling someone who has no proof other than word of mouth, of being native American 'Pocahontas' is aimed solely at her deceitfulness, not the Cherokee, Apache, Comanche and all other native American heritage. That's looking for something that was never said....

Im curious, is that what people believe he said? Because he didnt. he said there are good ones but alot of them are rapists, murderers, druggies and criminals. And its true and was backed up by law enforcement records. Even some mexicans spoke out in public supporting his comments. And alot also supported him getting rid of them because they worked hard to get into the country legally and were giving them a bad name

CNN:

Aug 31, 2016 - Washington (CNN) Donald Trump has mentioned Mexico frequently since his first day on the campaign trail. The GOP nominee's first controversial campaign remarks on the country came in his presidential announcement speech, when he called some Mexican immigrants "rapists" and criminals.


Anyone who isnt overly bias knows he wasnt being racist. He was taking a shot at the idiot who lied being a native when she clearly isnt.

 

[Harry_BKK]

awwww using me in your example. What a sweetheart you are.

So I guess we can call me a fan and I will now refer to you as hater harry. You know cause im such a fan I should copy trump with his nickname stuff.

Were you absolutely disgusted? Or is that more hyperbole? Were you so mad you took to twitter?

Anything anyone has done in the past is horrible but not Trump? Who in here said that? Oh right assumptions.

I am curious if you suddenly became new to politics? The amount of anger you have towards a politician not doing everything they say seems to be surprising to you. Good thing you werent into politics when Obama was president, you would be one furious guy

I don't give a blooming f*rt what you are calling me. Everyone reading this thread knows you are the head cheerleader of the "Adult Day Care Center". You even adopted completely the Trumpian style:

- trying to bulldozer down anyone even slightly criticizing your idol
- constantly deflecting --> Obama, Hillary, Emails, etc etc.
- double, triple, quadruple and quintuple down on clear falsehoods
- ...list by far not complete

Quote: "Anything anyone has done in the past is horrible but not Trump? Who in here said that? Oh right assumptions."

Can you read English? Where did I say that anyone in here said that? Those are Mr. T's words and everyone but you knows it.

Quote: "I am curious if you suddenly became new to politics? The amount of anger you have towards a politician not doing everything they say seems to be surprising to you. Good thing you werent into politics when Obama was president, you would be one furious guy"

You were so upset and obsessed with how much Obama, Bush and Co. lied, that people chose to vote for Mr. T. That he lied all his life, including through the entire campaign and even more now as president must have eluded you. Aah, I forgot, you are cheerleading!

 

[goatwack]

Im curious, is that what people believe he said? Because he didnt. he said there are good ones but alot of them are rapists, murderers, druggies and criminals. And its true and was backed up by law enforcement records. Even some mexicans spoke out in public supporting his comments. And alot also supported him getting rid of them because they worked hard to get into the country legally and were giving them a bad name

CNN:

Aug 31, 2016 - Washington (CNN) Donald Trump has mentioned Mexico frequently since his first day on the campaign trail. The GOP nominee's first controversial campaign remarks on the country came in his presidential announcement speech, when he called some Mexican immigrants "rapists" and criminals.


Anyone who isnt overly bias knows he wasnt being racist. He was taking a shot at the idiot who lied being a native when she clearly isnt.

Who'd say that other than to drum up hysteria for a campaign? It was hardly extolling the virtues of Mexico or Mexican immigrants, so it is more than adequate to deduct he was taking a massive swipe.

You could say that about any demographic but no one would. It was definitely an intentionally negative statement I believe, to back up the wall narrative.

 

[lockinlove]

This argument has no basis. And Elizabeth warren is Native American.

Sorry. It’s never been proven other wise. Fake news.

If you are going to argue. Use facts.

And I’m sorry if I tell you I’m part Jewishcuz my mother used to tell me stories about her grandma and the sabbath. Are you going to ask me to prove it?

If I tell you I’m part African American. Are you going to ask me to prove it.

Funny. You believe less evidence when it comes to Trump but its quite clear she is not native american. Her family was asked by investigators and guess the responses?

And btw there is a difference asking someone who claims they are african american to prove it just because and someone who claims it in order to get a job and further her career. She put herself on the minority list to get a job strictly for minorities. That is scummy.

And i agree with Brown:


I think character is important. I think what you’re referring to is the fact that Professor Warren claimed that she was a Native American, a person of color, and as you can see, she’s not. That being said, she checked the box and she had an opportunity actually to make a decision throughout her career when she applied to Penn and Harvard and she checked the box claiming she was a Native American.And, you know, clearly she’s not. That being said, I don’t know and neither do the viewers know whether she got ahead as a result of that checking of the box, but the only way that we’ll be able to find that out is to have her release her personnel records, have Harvard release their personnel records to make sure that she did not have an advantage that others were entitled to. When you are a United States Senator you have to pass a test, and one of character and honesty and truthfulness. And I believe, and others believe, that she has failed that test.

And when she applied at Rutgers her application shows she claimed she is not a minority and stated she was white. So which is it lady? She is a liar.

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[lockinlove]

Who'd say that other than to drum up hysteria for a campaign? It was hardly extolling the virtues of Mexico or Mexican immigrants, so it is more than adequate to deduct he was taking a massive swipe.

You could say that about any demographic but no one would. It was definitely an intentionally negative statement I believe, to back up the wall narrative.

In those words exactly? Probably no one. In more intelligent words? Bill Clinton.

It wasnt hysteria, its true though. But if you mean the exact words being spoken than yes.

 

[ladyhawke]

"I think character is important... When you are a United States Senator you have to pass a test, and one of character and honesty and truthfulness."


But you constantly give Trump a free pass, even though he fails spectacularly regarding character, honesty and truthfulness.

Perhaps you should step back and take a more objective view of DT by being honest with yourself, and see if he matches your standards as stated above.

I'll save you the trouble though. He doesn't!

 

[Steviedoo]

Funny. You believe less evidence when it comes to Trump but its quite clear she is not native american. Her family was asked by investigators and guess the responses?

And btw there is a difference asking someone who claims they are african american to prove it just because and someone who claims it in order to get a job and further her career. She put herself on the minority list to get a job strictly for minorities. That is scummy.

And i agree with Brown:


I think character is important. I think what you’re referring to is the fact that Professor Warren claimed that she was a Native American, a person of color, and as you can see, she’s not. That being said, she checked the box and she had an opportunity actually to make a decision throughout her career when she applied to Penn and Harvard and she checked the box claiming she was a Native American.And, you know, clearly she’s not. That being said, I don’t know and neither do the viewers know whether she got ahead as a result of that checking of the box, but the only way that we’ll be able to find that out is to have her release her personnel records, have Harvard release their personnel records to make sure that she did not have an advantage that others were entitled to. When you are a United States Senator you have to pass a test, and one of character and honesty and truthfulness. And I believe, and others believe, that she has failed that test.

And when she applied at Rutgers her application shows she claimed she is not a minority and stated she was white. So which is it lady? She is a liar.

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This is laughable. Dying of laughter over here.

How convenient now that it plays to your argument to use a quote that states that character and being in the senate you need to pass a test of truth and honesty etc.



Goodness lockinlove. Why doesn’t this apply to the president.

 

[lockinlove]

could the problem be the right are radicals and are offensive about almost everything?

Seems like a good snappy response but when you look at facts, its just that. A witty comeback.

The right for the most part arent racists and speak out against it. So does the left. But the difference is the left gets offended about anything. And you of all people should know this because the meathead we have leading this country is a perfect example of a leftist idiot.

Here is an example of how easily the left gets offended.

Justin Trudeau has spent alot of his time in office apologizing for past crimes from decades ago. You can argue whether thats ok or not. But his latest stunt is absolutely pathetic. He publicly apologized to dead Tsilhqot'in leaders on behalf of Canada. From something that happened over 150 years ago. When Canada was NOT even a country yet. And the more research you do, the worse this situation gets. Because these Chiefs actually murdered over 20 people.

JT is so offended that natives from decades ago were slandered that he the moron forgot to look up the facts first.

That is the difference between both sides.

 

[lockinlove]

This is laughable. Dying of laughter over here.

How convenient now that it plays to your argument to use a quote that states that character and being in the senate you need to be truthful.

Goodness lockinlove. Why doesn’t this apply to the president.

How convenient thats what you get out of what I wrote and try and relay it to Trump when its about Warren.

Im aware presidents lie. You seem like its only just 1.

While you are laughing I hope you changed your stance on claiming Warren is legit.

 

[Steviedoo]

How convenient thats what you get out of what I wrote and try and relay it to Trump when its about Warren.

Im aware presidents lie. You seem like its only just 1.

While you are laughing I hope you changed your stance on claiming Warren is legit.

Sorry this is no proof that she is not legit. And I can find you an article that’s agreed with me. And frankly. It’s irrelevant to what I was saying.


He used as a tactic to belittle her. Like he does with others.

As for all presidents lie. Not like this. And not for the smallest of thing. And not to boost their egos. So sorry.

 

[Steviedoo]

Seems like a good snappy response but when you look at facts, its just that. A witty comeback.

The right for the most part arent racists and speak out against it. So does the left. But the difference is the left gets offended about anything. And you of all people should know this because the meathead we have leading this country is a perfect example of a leftist idiot.

Here is an example of how easily the left gets offended.

Justin Trudeau has spent alot of his time in office apologizing for past crimes from decades ago. You can argue whether thats ok or not. But his latest stunt is absolutely pathetic. He publicly apologized to dead Tsilhqot'in leaders on behalf of Canada. From something that happened over 150 years ago. When Canada was NOT even a country yet. And the more research you do, the worse this situation gets. Because these Chiefs actually murdered over 20 people.

JT is so offended that natives from decades ago were slandered that he the moron forgot to look up the facts first.

That is the difference between both sides.

It amazes how we lose sight of what my original post was about in this thread.

And posters pick on a detail and lose sight of what I posted.

But ok.

If you think the right is less racist than the left then you are being naive.

All sides are racist.

 

[slotplayer]

I think it's safe to assume most will know what he's alluding to with that statement. Of course he's not going to say 'all', even he's not that tactless!

Please don't spin.

I don't know what he was alluding to exactly. I suppose if he was talking about the 1.2 to 1.4 million (boy that's a big number) Mexicans waiting legally in line then the statement is racist, but if its the illegals crossing the border no doubt in my mind its true as I've done the homework on the issue ad nauseam.