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PR: Poker Bots Consistently Win Online Poker Games by Cheating

Discussion in 'Casinomeister's Poker Room' started by Casinomeister, Feb 28, 2005.

    Feb 28, 2005
  1. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    Poker Bots Consistently Win Online Poker Games by Cheating

    CasinoRobots.com today announced Poker Robot Collusion Edition for Microsoft Windows, an intelligent software robot capable of consistently winning games of Texas Hold'Em Poker at popular online Poker Rooms. Poker Robot Collusion Edition can automatically and simultaneously play in up to nine of the ten seats available per game, for real money, using a strategy advocated by a nine-time World Champion of Poker. No knowledge or experience of Poker is required.

    Peterborough, Cambridgeshire (PRWEB) February 28 2005 -- CasinoRobots.com today announced Poker Robot Collusion Edition for Microsoft Windows, an intelligent software robot capable of consistently winning games of Texas Hold'Em Poker at popular online Poker Rooms. Poker Robot Collusion Edition is able to automatically and simultaneously play in up to nine of the ten seats available per game, for real money, using a strategy advocated by a nine-time World Champion of Poker. This combination of statistically sound strategy and awareness of nine of the ten hands in play inevitably results in consistent wins for the robot Poker players. No knowledge or experience of Poker is required. However, if the user wishes to play in multiple seats themselves they can manually override the robot player decisions with the click of a mouse button. Users can also alter the rank of hands played, the types of table to be selected and the duration of play. The progress of each game session is displayed and updated in real-time. Poker Robot Collusion Edition also draws upon the analytical capabilities of Poker Trainer, our comprehensive Texas Hold'Em Poker odds calculator and opponent analysis tool.

    An estimated US$180 million is wagered at online Poker tables every day. Players appear to be unaware that it is possible to cheat at online Poker and many may already be losing their money to collusion and/or robot Poker players. Our software demonstrates that online Poker Rooms are unable to prevent collusion. Whilst it may on occasion be suspected, it remains impossible to prove that collusion has occurred.

    Availability and Pricing
    Poker Robot Collusion Edition is available in two-player and nine-player versions. Poker Trainer is available immediately. Single user licences can be purchased including unlimited technical support and free program updates. Pricing is available at You must register/login in order to see the link.

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    CasinoRobots.com develops intelligent software agents capable of playing Blackjack, Poker and Roulette at popular online Poker Rooms and Casinos.

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  2. Feb 28, 2005
  3. MeMeMeMeMe

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    Casinomeister, surely you are not condoning poker robots?
     
  4. Feb 28, 2005
  5. eek

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    I wonder if its mere coincidence that the only place the BJ robot is configured for is CON.

    Collusion in poker is an old problem, its not like you can get away with nine ip conns coming from the same area on a ten player table.
     
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  6. Feb 28, 2005
  7. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    It's a press release.
     
  8. Feb 28, 2005
  9. MeMeMeMeMe

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    I'm not going to make a big deal out of this and I promise this will be my last post on this subject.

    This is your site and I respect your right to post whatever you like on it. It just seems to me that since you have chosen to publish this company's press release then that could be interpreted as you condoning the use of their products.
     
  10. Feb 28, 2005
  11. Casinomeister

    Casinomeister Forum Cheermeister Staff Member

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    No, it's news. It's a Press Release about an issue that affects this industry - primarily poker - that's why it's in the poker section :D

    I'm not condoning robots, or cheating players, or whatever; I'm presenting information and directing you to the source.
     
  12. Feb 28, 2005
  13. m249a

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    "If I could design a computer program to play my money online, this is the way I would program it."

    Phil Hellmuth Jr., seven-time winner of the World Series of Poker.


    I didn't know anybody won the WSOP 7 times....did I miss something?
     
  14. Feb 28, 2005
  15. Mugwump

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    Actually he's won 9 times, according to his website.

    Although the most widely known event of the WSOP is the no-limit hold 'em championship event, there are also several other events held at binions during the same month that are also included in the WSOP. Phil has 'only' won the championship event once.

    See this page for this years events:
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    However, since casinorobots has gotten this relatively simple piece of information wrong, perhaps they made up the quote. If so, lets hope that he sues their pants off.
     
  16. Feb 28, 2005
  17. m249a

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    Ahhhh....yes yes yes.....I forgot about all the other events. Good call mugwump. And you are right, a glance at their site would lead someone to beleive that he was intrical in the creation of this so-called bot.

    I am seriously considering purchasing it to see if it works. :thumbsup:

    Another funny quote on their site was the one asking about affiliate programs. Now as long as the poker room pays a flat rate for banner space, well then I guess it would be ok to advertise for both. But for people like me that rely on that elusive 30% of losses......well affiliated with something like that (assuming of course that it works) might not be such a good idea. I can see the balance sheet now...........I would end up owing the aff program money lol. :eek:
     
  18. Mar 1, 2005
  19. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever CAG MM webmeister

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    Mark, I will really have to do something drastic to you if you even THINK about joining that affiliate program and putting banners for it you-know-where.
    If poker sites don't already have a no robot rule, they will implement one now. Then there will bunches of little inbred morons posting here and elsewhere about how they got cheated out of their winnings after the poker sites figure out how to spot the robot.
     
  20. Mar 1, 2005
  21. bpb

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    As a poker affilliate, you get paid a portion of the rake your players generate. Whether your player wins or loses is immaterial ... as the poker room is making its money either way. This is drastically different from online casino affililate programs.

    Just as a public service announcement ... don't use poker bots. All the major reputable online sites are on the lookout for them, and will confiscate your bankroll if they determine you've been using them. It's against the T&C. On a personal note ... I consider anyone who uses a poker bot on a site which restricts them to be a real piece of garbage.
     
  22. Mar 1, 2005
  23. swampwitch

    swampwitch ProfessionalUnderachiever CAG MM webmeister

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    I'll second that, and add this...using a 'bot even on a site without a rule against it makes one a talentless ass.
     
  24. Mar 1, 2005
  25. Mugwump

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    Actually, every site I've ever visited has had a no-bot rule. All in all, this isn't as big a problem as you'd think. If someone wants to play me with a bot, I say let 'em, most computerized opponents play very tight, and usually either too passively, or too aggressively. At the lower limits, using a bot is lame, and unlikely to make you much money after the rake, and at the higher limits, I'm pretty sure it will get you killed (monetarily, not literally).

    My complaint against the site is that it condones collusion and even offers strategies and services that can get someone started down this path. As far as I'm concerned, for this alone, everyone in the company should be dragged out to the street and shot.

    But even so, most sites use reasonably sophisticated anti-collusion routines in their software to detect cheats. (Check out Fuzzy's imperial palace thread to see an example of this at work). I'm pretty sure we won't see any quotes on casinorobot's site from users who set up 9 accounts, deposited $500 in each, then got their deposits confiscated when the casino busted them. Its gonna happen though, and I feel no sympathy whatsoever for these slobs. So they lost $4500, they got off cheap...I know people that'd permanently ruin your kneecaps for pulling these stunts.

    And as far as the robots for the other casino games are concerned, blackjack, roulette, etc. I can't imagine a reason why casinos wouldn't be bashing down casinorobot's doors to enable their platform on the software. I shudder to think about how much money microgaming makes off of their autoplay features, seems to me that this would be the same thing.
     
  26. Mar 1, 2005
  27. jetset

    jetset Ueber Meister CAG

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    Mugwump's comments, particularly in his first paragraph are valid i.m.o. and have been confirmed by expert views in news articles I have seen recently. Unfortunately that probably won't help the less skilled player.

    And I'm with him 100 percent on this: "My complaint against the site is that it condones collusion and even offers strategies and services that can get someone started down this path. As far as I'm concerned, for this alone, everyone in the company should be dragged out to the street and shot."

    This is a sad situation in a player sense and from an industry perspective. The detractors of online gaming in general and Internet poker in particular will lap this questionable approach up - I can only imagine what some of the anti-gambling media will do with it.
     
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  28. Mar 2, 2005
  29. pokeraddict

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    IMO bots are not as big of an issue as some want to make them. People over and over again have had their accounts closed, names banned, and funds confiscated for this. Some slip through the cracks of course but their time will come. Besides how can a bot read players habits, know who the fish are, play in a wild game or play shorthanded? It cant! No way a computer program can adjust to any factor outside a full average type game.
     
  30. Mar 2, 2005
  31. m249a

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    The cpu in Star trek can..... :lolup: . :lolup: . :lolup:
     
  32. Mar 4, 2005
  33. nafanny29

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    Well said pokeraddict, bots are no match for any half decent poker player IMO. Maybe on a loose, low limit game they will win, but on a $10-$20 or higher table they will get stuffed every time. (thats why Beldar sticks to $1-$2 :D :D )
     
  34. Mar 4, 2005
  35. oldman

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    Poker Academy Donates $13,000 of Texas Hold'em Software to Lehigh University

    BETHLEHEM, Pennsylvania -- (PRESS RELEASE) -- Poker Academy, a leading software developer of poker products, has donated $13,000 in software to Lehigh University for students in computer science and engineering to use in artificial intelligence (AI) research projects.

    Hector Munoz-Avila, assistant professor of computer science and engineering, said the donated software will be used in "Artificial Intelligence: Game Programming," a course offered last fall for the first time that will be taught again next fall.

    The goal of the students using the donated software in the new class, which Munoz-Avila teaches, will be to make better, more challenging computer games that adapt to a player's behavior, style and level of skill.

    "Only a few games currently employ adaptive artificial intelligence, which is also called machine learning," said Munoz-Avila, who has a grant from the Naval Research Laboratory to study game programming. "Most are 'hard-coded' to operate at a fixed level or levels.

    "Adaptive AI is code that allows computer software to adapt over time to a players' skill levels and even to improvements they make," said Munoz-Avila. "A chess game equipped with adaptive AI will 'dumb down' in a few moves against an inexperienced player, but play tougher against a grandmaster."

    "We are pleased to be part of this on-going research and development initiative of artificial gaming intelligence," said Kurt Lange, president of Poker Academy. "The AI gaming platform for our poker product, which was developed over more than 10 years, has computer opponents that actually think like humans. Since the game gets better as the player improves, the game is always challenging and thus a very effective learning tool. We look forward to seeing what the CSE students come up with."

    The students in Munoz-Avila's game-programming class study and develop algorithms, which are methods of encoding programs that tell computers how to solve problems. The students will use their algorithms to study the software robots, or bots, that are created to replace human beings in poker, hearts and other online games.

    Other goals of the students will be to determine how "smart" computers can be made and whether AI gives unfair advantages to the bots or machines against which humans play computer games.

    Munoz-Avila said that Jarret Raim, a graduate student in computer science, found the Poker Academy online, looked at its API (application program interface, a way in which programs communicate), and found it could "talk" to other programs, making it a good fit for the Lehigh game programming course.

    "Our interest is that this game has a very nice API that we can interface with our machine learning programs," said Munoz-Avila.

    About Poker Academy

    Poker Academy is a leading software developer of poker products. The company develops the world's most advanced Texas Hold'em poker learning tool, Poker Academy Pro, utilizing world renowned artificial intelligence developed over 10 years, designed to help users learn, adapt and improve their poker skills. Poker Academy Pro includes No Limit, Limit and Tournament play along with many feature-rich components. Poker Academy is headquartered in Edmonton, Alberta, and has U.S. office in Minnetonka, MN.

    About Lehigh University

    Lehigh University, a nationally ranked teaching and research institution, offers distinctive interdisciplinary and hands-on programs, at the undergraduate and graduate levels, in colleges of arts and sciences, business and economics, education, and engineering and applied science.


    So it's only the very beginning... get ready for the World Online Poker Bot Tour in the nearest future..! ;)
     
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  36. Apr 1, 2005
  37. wolla

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    Is Beldar really a bot? I have seen him/it often at Interpoker and everyone says he's a bot!?
     
  38. Apr 2, 2005
  39. nafanny29

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    He is either a bot or the best customer crypto has.
    He is playing almost every time im on crypto, whether its evening or 6am! PS he folds to a re-raise unless he has the stone cold nuts :thumbsup:
     

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