Play 'n go - Different RTP at different sites!

[QueenBee]

I was playing at a small Danish casino, when I realized that they had suddenly "updated" their Play n' go slots.
A box came up the first time I opened the slot, saying that the slot had been updated. When I looked at the helt file to see what had changed, I noticed at very low theoretical RTP.
Fx Holiday Season 91.51 rtp - at other sites it is 96.51 as shown



Gemix


I have more, actually I think it applies to all Play n' slots.
And I am shocked!
Play n' Go was a provider that I trusted, but does this mean that we always have to check the RTP?

 

[QueenBee]

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[goatwack]

Ah you know, the odds weren't already stacked against us, what's another 5% RTP between friends

That's pretty criminal. Can they just do that? Looks like I need to re-stock on the old tin foil

 

[Jono777]

Time for another 'Jon foil hat moment'

Always thought, right in the deepest darkest corners of my thoughts (despite being told/ reassured numerous times otherwise ) that casinos can change RTP's for certain games.

I'd go as far to say it wouldn't be just PnG either.

Now I don't mean change a 95% game right down to 70% but a small leverage of 5 or 6% maybe?

Laugh away but no-one will change my thoughts on this one

Would certainly explain a lot of my not so good experiences over the years especially my 'Not so lucky' casinos which are the same ones every time

 

[goatwack]

Time for another 'Jon foil hat moment'

Always thought, right in the deepest darkest corners of my thoughts (despite being told/ reassured numerous times otherwise ) that casinos can change RTP's for certain games.

I'd go as far to say it wouldn't be just PnG either.

Now I don't mean change a 95% game right down to 70% but a small leverage of 5 or 6% maybe?

Laugh away but no-one will change my thoughts on this one

Would certainly explain a lot of my not so good experiences over the years especially my 'Not so lucky' casinos which are the same ones every time

The way MG and Netent games have been behaving over the last year it would almost seem that some percentages have been shaved off the RTP. I have played a lot of the 9-liners in 2016 and they feel about 5-10% less generous.

I think this practice extends further than we may realize, and I don't believe all operators are being as transparent about it either!

 

[Harry_BKK]

That is pretty shocking to be honest. Anything below 95% is a pure waste of time.

 

[Jono777]

The way MG and Netent games have been behaving over the last year it would almost seem that some percentages have been shaved off the RTP. I have played a lot of the 9-liners in 2016 and they feel about 5-10% less generous.

I think this practice extends further than we may realize, and I don't believe all operators are being as transparent about it either!

Bang on matey and not a foil hat in sight either.

I play the same games at the same casinos at the same stakes and you can actually 'feel' the difference.

Ain't getting into naming any but one place feels like soon as I 'Walk in the door' its "Hi Jon, giz ya dosh, bye Jon"

The whole set up has changed and not for the better as I say the sessions just don't feel the same. Doesn't even feel like gambling in general where the player and the house gets a chance....

Take a scenario of walking into the same pub every night for a month, heading for the same fruit machine each time and a fresh £20 worth of £1 coins each time.

The term "gambling" in general would suggest, regardless of previous play, regardless of RTP, regardless whether you trod in shit on the way into the pub that some of those night that month you'd lose, others you'd walk out a winner.

This term it seems no longer covers online play. I err on the side If I HAD to 'guess' an explanation that previous play, luck, withdrawals are remembered to a degree and these 'Memory less' slots are no so dumb after all

 

[Wild Reels]

I would be focusing more on the casino in question that the provider initially , i.e are they actually legit playngo slots, or is this something specific to a danish casino.

 

[goatwack]

I would be focusing more on the casino in question that the provider initially , i.e are they actually legit playngo slots.

I'd imagine if they were counterfeit clones of the originals and set out to rob the player that the RTP would still be displayed at 96%

 

[QueenBee]

This is from Playngo.com - game Holiday Season

 

[Jono777]

I would be focusing more on the casino in question that the provider initially , i.e are they actually legit playngo slots, or is this something specific to a danish casino.

This actually went through my mind but not clued up enough nor know how to spot these fakes slots.

@ Goaty - This is also a very good point

"I' imagine if they were counterfeit clones of the originals and set out to rob the player that the RTP would still be displayed at 96%"

Sorry, all these years and still can't multi-quote

 

[Harry_BKK]

I would be focusing more on the casino in question that the provider initially , i.e are they actually legit playngo slots, or is this something specific to a danish casino.

I' imagine if they were counterfeit clones of the originals and set out to rob the player that the RTP would still be displayed at 96%

And i don't think a casino using counterfeit games would announce in a pop-up that the game rules have changed.

 

[Wild Reels]

yeah what i was getting at is that at most casinos i can see games such as holiday season the rtp remians as normal, so the main difference here is a "small unamed danish casino"

There is a seperate Danish Gambling Authority, and many casinos will run on a seperate .dk domain and thats the only factor i can see differing here.

 

[Harry_BKK]

This actually went through my mind but not clued up enough nor know how to spot these fakes slots.

@ Goaty - This is also a very good point

"I' imagine if they were counterfeit clones of the originals and set out to rob the player that the RTP would still be displayed at 96%"

Sorry, all these years and still can't multi-quote

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[Jono777]

Ok Harry, you joined six months after me and CAN multi quote,

I get it mate, I get it

Just need a 5 scatter post from you now buddy to really kick a man when he's down lmao

 

[Jono777]

yeah what i was getting at is that at most casinos i can see games such as holiday season the rtp remians as normal, so the main difference here is a "small unamed danish casino"

There is a seperate Danish Gambling Authority, and many casinos will run on a seperate .dk domain and thats the only factor i can see differing here.

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Ok Harry, you joined six months after me and CAN multi quote,

I get it mate, I get it

Just need a 5 scatter post from you now buddy to really kick a man when he's down lmao

Cheers Harry, great tutor

 

[dbl88]

Well, i just dont want to think in my head realistically because if we all did, we wouldnt play slots at all, considering its a lose in the long hall

 

[Harry_BKK]

Ok Harry, you joined six months after me and CAN multi quote,

I get it mate, I get it

Just need a 5 scatter post from you now buddy to really kick a man when he's down lmao

LMAO mate.... no danger of that 5 scatter to happen, i'm afraid.... spent $175 this week on the slots in line with my new monthly budget cap of $500 and coming week i am traveling, hence it won't happen anytime soon.

 

[QueenBee]

It is small and Danish owned. They dont have many slots, but they are regulated/approved by "Spillemyndigheden". I guess I could go down that road and complain about the Casino.
But they do seem legit in my eyes, and that leaves the question of Play n' Go offering their slots at a different RTP than what they officially announce.

 

[miso]

It would be interesting to find out whether this change is coming from the casino or Play n' Go.

Gemix players for example would know that the min bet varies wildly from one casino to the next.
Videoslots have 0.10, Euroslots 0.20, Next Casino 0.50 and I've seen 1 euro min bet but don't remember where.

Makes me think, are Play n' Go willing to tweak a slot when asked to?

 

[KasinoKing]

I don't think Play'N'Go can change the RTP of their slots - I've been playing Cloud Quest quite a bit recently and I swear the RTP is 45% everywhere :sob:

KK

 

[lotusch]

Slots that are advertised between 91-94.99% I won't even play..
Better throw your money out of the window right away..

Even 95-96% is the low end for me...

 

[dunover]

The casino cannot change the RTP of legitimate software. There is nothing stopping them using, or requesting a lower RTP version from the provider though IF it is available and the correct RTP is advertised to the player.

How this is achieved varies - RTG for example produce 3 or 4 different blanket casinos with 91-97% (trust me NONE of you will have ever played the 97% versions as you can tell by the stupid great bonuses they provide; they would be cashed in too much!) or you can do like IGT and remove the 2x for 2 scatters on Cleopatra to reduce it from 95 to 91%.

As people have said a slot at 91-92% is pretty much like a pub having the ABV displayed on a the beer pumps say 5%-5.7%-5.1%-4.5% and then one at 2.9%. No bugger'd buy it.

If you really need to see what a dramatic difference a 4% reduction in RTP does to your session, read this thread of mine from way back!! You quite literally get half the value-for-money!

https://www.casinomeister.com/forums/threads/rtp-heres-how-it-affect-your-play.56164/

 

[Petrer10]

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[QueenBee]

How this is achieved varies - RTG for example produce 3 or 4 different blanket casinos with 91-97%

I knew about this, but would have thought I was safe with providers suchs as Playngo.
But this means that I can never trust a game review, a site such as Slotscomparer, or even the providers own site.