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[Alexishot69]

Hi
i am new to the forum and will put a thread in the introduce yourself bit shortly anyhow found this site last night and pretty glad i did to be honest..i generally stick to UK based poker and casinos and only generally play for smallish stakes.I typed into gogle good casinos bonuses or something similar a week ago and found pamper casino and duly signed up for there "free" 100 usd no deposit which i quickly lost unlike some other free ND bonuses where you usually win ...lol..however ive started recieving emails from pamper on a daily basis and the latest one is absolutely incredible offering a 2050% bonus and they are getting bigger everyday.Now the reason i found casinomeister was typing pamper casino into google and just as i thought a rogue mob.so Big thnx to CM and for what its worth ill post the email down below....A x

Dear xxxx xxxxxxxx,

2050% bonus just for you! Available now in the cashier.

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Your username at Pamper Casino is : xxxxxxx
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2050% bonus on all deposits of $ 20 - 200

Coupon code : 2050WEEK
Redeemable UNLIMITED times until July 14, 2008!

Go to

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and login.

Deposit methods available :


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Coupon code 2050SLOTS is available to you and any friends you may refer by using the "Forward to a Friend" link at the bottom of this email.
You will receive 333% bonus on your friend's deposit!

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^^^^^^^^YEAH RIGHT^^^^^...lol

 

[vinylweatherman]

It is impossible to win with any bonus above 1000%. The max cashout is 1x bonus, so if you deposit $100, and get 2050%, your max cashout is the amount of the bonus after meeting 30x WR, which is LESS than your original balance of bonus+deposit. Since the bonus is "sticky", withdrawing 1x bonus will result in winnings of $0



Now this (for a laugh)

The reasoning behind this rule is simple. Whatever deposit bonus we offer is redeemable unlimited times. So if you are a player that enjoys bonuses there is no reason not to redeem at least one of our bonuses on every deposit (no reason except bonus abuse of course, which we deplore)

This is their explanation for a permanent max cashout being applied, even if you don't take a bonus

Highlighted is where they explain that NOT taking a bonus is somehow "bonus abuse"

What next, will they claim that losing your 2050% bonus means that you are 100% CERTAIN to win on their RANDOM GAMES on your next deposit to even out the payouts, and that the max cashout rule prevents this

This would only be the case if they were using software "switches" to manipulate the games, such that players who NEVER take bonuses get a higher payout than those that do.


Funnlily enough, I have seen these terms somewhere before, almost word for word....

Prism/Virtual group

 

[The Dude]

Admin Note - new I-gaming member

Pamper Casino joined the forum this weekend:
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I'm sure he'll be able to answer your questions.

 

[Alexishot69]

fao pampers

Sounds quite silly to be honest writing what in the uk woul dread for attention of nappies <diapers> Anyhow mr pamper rep maybe u can explain the ridiculous bonus issues written clearly above ? where it seems winning is impossible and bonus abuse is not taking one...lol..but i guess thats why it seems your sites pampers are full huh

 

[pampercasino]

Alexishot69,

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Promotional emails never go out more than twice a week and it is usually restricted to once a week.

If you do not wish to receive future emails from us simply click the "manage your subscription" button within the promotional email you got and unsubscribe from the list. You will be added to our Global Suppression list and will never hear from us again unless their is activity in your casino account in which case you will receive account related emails only. We are obligated to send those due to contractual agreements with our credit card processors and other processing providers and you cannot unsubscribe from those.

Regarding the other messages in this thread, I have a suggestion on how to play without any wagering requirements and without any maximum cashout! Don't take any bonuses

 

[chuchu59]

A suggestion for pamper casino. I have seen a couple of the promos and they did look like spam. Although the parties involved may have consented to recieving the promotions, cant you give some thought to them so that they are presented in a meaningful way. In their present form, the promos do reflect badly on the casino. Just my 2c.

 

[KasinoKing]

Regarding the other messages in this thread, I have a suggestion on how to play without any wagering requirements and without any maximum cashout! Don't take any bonuses

And have you no comment on your 'Impossible to Win from' bonus???

It is impossible to win with any bonus above 1000%. The max cashout is 1x bonus, so if you deposit $100, and get 2050%, your max cashout is the amount of the bonus after meeting 30x WR, which is LESS than your original balance of bonus+deposit. Since the bonus is "sticky", withdrawing 1x bonus will result in winnings of $0

If you weren't tricking honest people out of hard-earned money, that would be hilarious!

 

[pampercasino]

And have you no comment on your 'Impossible to Win from' bonus???

It is impossible to win with any bonus above 1000%. The max cashout is 1x bonus, so if you deposit $100, and get 2050%, your max cashout is the amount of the bonus after meeting 30x WR, which is LESS than your original balance of bonus+deposit. Since the bonus is "sticky", withdrawing 1x bonus will result in winnings of $0

If you weren't tricking honest people out of hard-earned money, that would be hilarious!

I'm sorry I didn't read that part carefully enough. That is a misinterpretation of the rule.

In his example, if you deposit $ 100 and get 2050% bonus (which means bonus would be $ 2050) your maximum cashout is 1X the bonus or $ 2050. So if you have $ 5000 in your account after meeting the 30X wagering requirements you can cashout $ 2050 and the rest will be zeroed out.

Hope that sorts out the confusion.

 

[pampercasino]

A suggestion for pamper casino. I have seen a couple of the promos and they did look like spam. Although the parties involved may have consented to recieving the promotions, cant you give some thought to them so that they are presented in a meaningful way. In their present form, the promos do reflect badly on the casino. Just my 2c.

Thanks for the suggestion Chuchu. I will pass it along to the advertising folks.

 

[vinylweatherman]

I'm sorry I didn't read that part carefully enough. That is a misinterpretation of the rule.

In his example, if you deposit $ 100 and get 2050% bonus (which means bonus would be $ 2050) your maximum cashout is 1X the bonus or $ 2050. So if you have $ 5000 in your account after meeting the 30X wagering requirements you can cashout $ 2050 and the rest will be zeroed out.

Hope that sorts out the confusion.

OK, fair enough, so a 1x max cashout is what other casinos would call a 2x max cashout, because they include the sticky bonus as part of the limit, and it seems pamper casino does not.

Now, for the $64,000 question neatly sidestepped.

Scenario.

Player takes huge bonus and loses the lot and goes away.

Some time later, he decides to play WITHOUT a bonus, so deposits into his account that starts at ZERO.

Now, at Pamper casino, because of the previous bonus, he is restricted still to the max cashout from that first bonus. Pamper give the reasoning behind this as protecting the casino against "bonus abuse".

This is complete and utter bollox!!!!

In any REPUTABLE casino, each spin or deal is completely independent of what went before, this is what is known as "the games are random". This means that however the player played his large bonus down to zero, this earlier play will have absolutely NO effect whatsoever on the current session where no bonus is taken. Well, unless of course, you have "cheating software", such that it artificially controls the games to meet a specific per player long term payout, but ignores whether the play is with bonus money or real money. Under this "cheating software" scenario, it would indeed be "bonus abuse" to take a 2050% bonus, deliberately turn down winning opportunities (known among us Fruit Machine players as "forcing") until reaching a zero balance - come back later, and instead of turning down the wins, collect them. With the 2050% bonus lost, the software will "percentage stabilise" the payouts now that the player is accepting them, and they will clean up by winning around a third of the deliberately dumped bonus back on a straight cash deposit, hence your carry over of max cashout, but not WR.

In a casino powered by the brand leader Microgaming, I can be given a 2000 free chip (unlikely) and DELIBERATELY lose the lot on Video Poker by refusing all winning hands, perhaps by deliberately holding losing deals etc.
If I then come back later and deposit 200, and play the SAME VP game, it will play just as randomly as before, I most certainly would NOT be able to "abuse" the earlier free chip through the game throwing wins at me until the server had rebalanced my payback to the game's norm.

It is this kind of rule, that when seen in T & C, cries "ROGUE CASINO" at any experienced player who has the slightest idea about how RANDOM games work. Whoever thought this rule was necessary to guard against "bonus abuse" is an idiot*, and should not be in charge of an online casino. (perhaps they have been playing too many Fruit Machines before opening this casino).

* Most of us here will probably think something a little different, that far from being an "idiot", this person knows that the software CAN INDEED be manipulated just like a "Fruit Machine", and knows that there are many here in the UK that would know how to do it, or would work it out pretty quickly, and would proceed to bankrupt the casino through those 2050% bonus.

For those in the UK, remember the old "Pie Factory" Fruit Machine. Here is an analogy. The arcade offers me 50 worth of free play if I purchase 50 worth of coins. I request the entire 50 be dumped in "Pie Factory", and proceed to refuse all wins. I then play with my own money, and soon force out the "red" exchange, take 1, gamble next cash win to 25, exchange next for "red" board and take another 25 to 40. I then leave the premises with a smirk on my face. This is successful "bonus abuse", but it only works because that particular machine is about as far from random as you can get. The cycle was so predictable that this could be done on demand, and would be 100% reliable to hit the expected payout target once you had forced out the streak. With the 100% "bonus" on the 50, it is +EV every time if the target of the machine is over 50%, and it was usually around the 78% mark.

It was fun to go up and down the motorways taking these beggars out, but it was a pity the method became so well known that in the end it was hard to find someone who DIDN'T know how to do it.

 

[lots0]

... It is this kind of rule, that when seen in T & C, cries "ROGUE CASINO" at any experienced player who has the slightest idea about how RANDOM games work. Whoever thought this rule was necessary to guard against "bonus abuse" is an idiot*, and should not be in charge of an online casino.

I could not agree with VWM more.

 

[pampercasino]

Vinyl,

I had a long chat today with the people who make these rules and discussed the reasoning behind it. While I'm certainly not going to get in a long back and forth about the whys of our terms and conditions I am authorized to clarify, just this once, why this policy exists.

Pamper gives out some of the biggest bonuses given out by any casino in the industry today. Now it is no secret slot machines payout a certain % of monies. All slot machines from Vegas to Monaco to ours are set to pay anything from 95% - 99.9%. Obviously, since the software is fair it does not distinguish between bonus and real money play. So while a player depositing $ 100 at some other casino giving out 50% bonus would play $ 150 on the slot machines, at Pamper he would play $ 2150 with the 2050% bonus. So the payout on the machine would become based on $ 2150 in losses if he were to lose it all.

So the max cashout policy is a liability limiting exercise. The more max cashouts we have out there the less our potential liability on the machines with the huge bonuses that have not taken in as much money as "think" they have.

Regarding any other claim of our software not being random or any other conspiracy theories please consult :

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I hope that clears it up....

 

[vinylweatherman]

Vinyl,

I had a long chat today with the people who make these rules and discussed the reasoning behind it. While I'm certainly not going to get in a long back and forth about the whys of our terms and conditions I am authorized to clarify, just this once, why this policy exists.

Pamper gives out some of the biggest bonuses given out by any casino in the industry today. Now it is no secret slot machines payout a certain % of monies. All slot machines from Vegas to Monaco to ours are set to pay anything from 95% - 99.9%. Obviously, since the software is fair it does not distinguish between bonus and real money play. So while a player depositing $ 100 at some other casino giving out 50% bonus would play $ 150 on the slot machines, at Pamper he would play $ 2150 with the 2050% bonus. So the payout on the machine would become based on $ 2150 in losses if he were to lose it all.

So the max cashout policy is a liability limiting exercise. The more max cashouts we have out there the less our potential liability on the machines with the huge bonuses that have not taken in as much money as "think" they have.
Regarding any other claim of our software not being random or any other conspiracy theories please consult :

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I hope that clears it up....

GOTCHA:yahoo:

You have just admitted that your "random" slot games have a "memory", and will act based on the play that has gone before. This is NOT A RANDOM SLOT, it is a "Fruit Machine"

If you had proper random slots, it would not matter one bit that a player had thrown a 2050% bonus into it yesterday, he would be no more likely to win today with an unbonused deposit than if he had won a fortune the day before.

What you have, in essence, is "cheating software", where your slots will only pay back a set portion of what they take in, and will ONLY pay back from a "bank" of money previously taken, and not purely by a random result from the RNG on each spin.

If your slots were true random slots, the explanation would just be a load of hot air, and either shows deliberate cheating, or management who have absolutely no idea how "random" works, and who would go to Vegas, see some idiot throw $20,000 into a poor paying slot, and then mortgage his house to chase the $16,000 or so that is certainly "due back" because of the set percentage payout of the game.

 

[aka23]

* Most of us here will probably think something a little different, that far from being an "idiot", this person knows that the software CAN INDEED be manipulated just like a "Fruit Machine", and knows that there are many here in the UK that would know how to do it, or would work it out pretty quickly, and would proceed to bankrupt the casino through those 2050% bonus.

Yes, I think you are onto something. Pamper uses AST software. AST/ThrillX software is known for odd player results, and many believe the software is not purely random. For example, two players reported a combined result that was ~12 standard deviations below the expected return at Pamper. The chance of this event occurring randomly is approximately 0.000000000000000000000000000000004.

A player at another casino using the software, mentioned a similar unlikely result to a manager who refunded his $1500 loss and said the software was accidentally hooked up to a "test" server when he played. Could the players with the 12SD result at Pamper have been on a "test server" as well? Or could the odd results relate to being able to offer the 2050% bonus listed in this thread?

 

[pampercasino]

Actually, I think you are misconstruing my comments again either deliberately or likely because you don't understand how progressive slot machines/jackpots work.

Regardless, management is even considering removing this policy anyway since I am told it is not as useful as some believe. I concede you are right about the fact that the standard slot machines with no progressive jackpot do not work that way. They have no memory of how much they have taken in and so this policy doesn't help in those machines. I am not saying progressive jackpots "have a memory" but the more you play the more the jackpot goes up as a whole. Our machines have several mini jackpots etc. and it helps to limit liability on those on players who have taken a bonus.

I will leave it at that.

Like I said, this account is setup to deal with actual player issues. Not hypotheticals or discussions on our company policies.

 

[GaryWatson]

 

[vinylweatherman]

Actually, I think you are misconstruing my comments again either deliberately or likely because you don't understand how progressive slot machines/jackpots work.

Regardless, management is even considering removing this policy anyway since I am told it is not as useful as some believe. I concede you are right about the fact that the standard slot machines with no progressive jackpot do not work that way. They have no memory of how much they have taken in and so this policy doesn't help in those machines. I am not saying progressive jackpots "have a memory" but the more you play the more the jackpot goes up as a whole. Our machines have several mini jackpots etc. and it helps to limit liability on those on players who have taken a bonus.

I will leave it at that.

Like I said, this account is setup to deal with actual player issues. Not hypotheticals or discussions on our company policies.

'Fraid yer horse has bolted - no good shutting the stable door now.

The argument does not even work for progressives either, as the term ONLY applies to individual players who have taken a bonus, surely if a player NEVER took a bonus, they would be free to take advantage of your progressives that have been fed by OTHER players who use bonuses.

This term would not help at all in limiting liabilty, unless bonuses became COMPULSORY for ALL.

The fact that any player does not take a bonus should have no influence on their ability to hit a progressive, they may be fed by bonus funds, but there is no way a "bonus abuser" can manipulate even a "random progressive" by knowing when, and how much, to deposit without a bonus in order to "abuse" the bonuses they took previously.

The reported highly unlikely results added to this thread for this software also cast doubt on the statement that these games are all random.

If your management fear that progressives could be manipulated, they must know that there is a way for a player to learn to predict when they fall, perhaps by knowning they are set to fall after a given number of spins, or before they hit a certain maximum value.

The other suggestion is that all the progressives are simply for show, and that with most players taking the bonuses, the bulk of any progressive win is ALWAYS going to be forefeit under the max cashout rules of the bonus on the winner's account at the time.

The rule has another failing. If indeed one could manipulate the games, I could claim large bonuses, such as 2050%, and my later deposits without bonuses would be subject to the max cashout of the previous bonus.

The rep's own example states

In his example, if you deposit $ 100 and get 2050% bonus (which means bonus would be $ 2050) your maximum cashout is 1X the bonus or $ 2050. So if you have $ 5000 in your account after meeting the 30X wagering requirements you can cashout $ 2050 and the rest will be zeroed out.

So, I could deposit $100 and deliberately "force" a progressive. My next deposit could be $100 WITHOUT a bonus, and this time I try my best to win. I play the same progressive that I lost my entire $2050 bonus $100 deposit in before, which built up all the progressive pots. Management use the carry over of max cashout to protect them from, as stated, "bonus abuse" because bonuses have fed the progressive pots far more than "real" money.
This presumes that I have been clever enough to have predicted that now is the time to complete this act of "bonus abuse" by getting the progressive to pay on my unbonused $100, with the "abuse" being that I have sidestepped the max cashout rules and get to keep the entire progressive.
Management therefore "deplore" this style of play (they said it, in that term), and that to protect them against this, the previous max cashout of 1x bonus still applies, which limits me to $2050, even though I didn't take a bonus.

So, this protects them - err, well, not really, for even despite this rule, my total deposits have been $200, and I have cashed out $2050 as alowed. I am STILL $1850 up, even though most of the progressive win has been forefeit.

Now, I would just repeat the exercise, take 2050% bonus, and then deposit $100 with no bonus. I will STILL clean out the casino, just much more slowly, and because this is not against the terms designed to limit liability, they will have to invoke other rules such as the infamous "F U Clause" to void my cashouts.

If the progressives are truly random though, this method of "abuse" will not work, as 99.99% of the time my unbonused $100 will NOT yield me the progressive, and I would then be $200 down, and then $400 down the next time I tried it. Further, the progressive would be 2050% MORE likely to hit at random while playing with the bonused deposit (balance $2150) than when playing with my unbonused $100. The strategy would fail, and any competent casino owner would have never even worried about this nonsense in the first place. Since management DID think this term necessary, it has to indicate that their knowledge of how the software works made them realise such protection was needed against this specific playing style (deposit with bonus alternating with deposits without), because it would confer an unacceptable advantage on the "bonus abuser" carrying it out.

 

[pampercasino]

There isn't much new in your post to address except the same old "fruit machine" stuff. By the way, "Fruit machines" mean something entirely different where I come from (for those not familiar have a look at this

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and laugh at the stupidity of years past)

Regarding the rest of what you said, I just want to point out if the casino has the option to cap it's liability on any player account to $ X amount per deposit versus having an uncapped liability strictly speaking from a liability limiting point of view the former option is better. That is all it is at this point.

I will close this matter from our side with a simple line the guy I discussed it with used "If that max cashout amount was good enough with the bonus it should be good enough without it."

 

[vinylweatherman]

There isn't much new in your post to address except the same old "fruit machine" stuff. By the way, "Fruit machines" mean something entirely different where I come from (for those not familiar have a look at this

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and laugh at the stupidity of years past)

Regarding the rest of what you said, I just want to point out if the casino has the option to cap it's liability on any player account to $ X amount per deposit versus having an uncapped liability strictly speaking from a liability limiting point of view the former option is better. That is all it is at this point.

I will close this matter from our side with a simple line the guy I discussed it with used "If that max cashout amount was good enough with the bonus it should be good enough without it."

It may be better for business, but for players it's a signal to run away!!!!!

Who would want to play at a casino that is so worried about cashflow that it has to limit it's liability on what would simply be a run of exceptional luck on the part of a player. A well run casino would have sufficient backing to be able to take any hit that lady luck throws their way, and would ensure that their games were set such that stakes were limited to control the amount that could theoretically be won with the luckiest possible combination, such as a pat dealt Royal Flush in high stakes multi-hand video poker, a long run at high stakes Blackjack, or the max payouts on the slots.
What is NOT good practice is to offer games with the possibility of huge payouts that tempt players in, but with the casino having to use capped liability as a protection, meaning these high payouts are never actually made.

I see you are in Costa Rica - so what's with the LONDON address (even if it is NOT the Pizzaria). IF you are actually based in Costa Rica, THIS is the address you should be showing on your website. You are not "licenced in Costa Rica" by the way, they don't actually OFFER "gaming" licences at all, which makes you technically an unlicenced online casino.

 

[LaHutti]

Not that I ever think anyone from this forum, would ever fall for a 2050% bonus in the first place...that alone would be enough to make me and a lot of other players run screaming.

@VinylWeatherman

Once again you cut to the bone, and made a lot of excellent points, including, but not limited to, your observation of the rep's location (I must admit, I hadn't even noticed that).
So if the 2050% bogus wasn't enough to keep people away from that place, I hope your posts are, and you once again proved to be a valuable member of this forum

 

[USA2112]

The maximum withdrawable amount on any bonus of 1001% & above is 1X the amount of the bonus.

Example : If you deposit $ 100 & receive a 2000% bonus the bonus you will receive will be 2000% of $ 100 = $ 2000. Since the maximum cashout amount is 1X the amount of the bonus the maximum withdrawable amount will be $ 2000 x 1 = $ 2000. In this case, any additional funds in your account over and above the maximum cashout of $ 2000 will be removed (zeroed out) at the time of your withdrawal.

The maximum cashout limitation is permanently enforced on your account once you take any deposit bonus. All future withdrawals become limited to the most recent maximum cashout you had with the last bonus you took. The fact that you don't take a bonus on your latest deposit is not considered relevant. Once you take a bonus whatever the last available maximum cashout on your account was is considered the maximum withdrawable amount.

Example : If you deposit $ 100 & receive a 200% bonus the bonus you will receive will be 200% of $ 100 = $ 200. Since the maximum cashout is 5X the amount of the bonus the maximum withdrawable amount will be $ 200 x 5 = $ 1000. Let's say you either win and withdraw the maximum cashout or lose everything and then decide to deposit $ 100 again but choose not to take a bonus this time (a bonus is always available to take on pampercasino.com) In this case your maximum cashout will still be $ 1000. Even if you win $ 1500 the maximum withdrawable amount will remain $ 1000 even though you didn't take a bonus on the last deposit. This maximum cashout won't change until you take another bonus which has a different maximum cashout.

The reasoning behind this rule is simple. Whatever deposit bonus we offer is redeemable unlimited times. So if you are a player that enjoys bonuses there is no reason not to redeem at least one of our bonuses on every deposit (no reason except bonus abuse of course, which we deplore)

This is interesting. Claim a bonus and your limited to a max cash out rule, "Sounds reasonable"

However, deposit a second time with your own money without claiming a bonus and your still bound by the same max cash out terms of the previous bonus. Am I missing something here! permanently enforced on your account

So once you claim a bonus your always bound by the max cash out rule of the previous bonus with the casino? Seems this prevents the possibility of ever cashing out a progessive pot if you've claimed a bonus at any point in time.

Or withdrawal any winnings above the max cash out rule on the previous bonus even though your depositing with your own money without claiming bonuses.

Plus, this would mean once you claim your first bonus with the casino your always bound by max cash out rules...

No winnings are paid out to accounts with APO/FPO or any kind of P.O.box addresses. Any players who enters such an address in his account will not be paid any winnings and will have his/her deposit returned.

What's up with this, I have an address but also have a P.O. Box due to the rural location I live in, have too.

What does this have to do with confiscating players winnings. And how are you going to return there funds? to their P.O. Box..

Account terminations

We reserve the right to terminate the account of any player at any time at our sole discretion.

If an account is being terminated due to violation of any rule on this page or anywhere else on this site then all funds in that account shall be null and void. Any available deposit may be returned if you are found to have not acted in an effort to defraud the casino. In case of a term #8 violation (multiple accounts) the manager may void only the player's winnings and allow him to continue wagering if the violation was unintentional provided the player agrees to be more careful in the future.

Now here's a set up. If you open two accounts you will be given a second chance if your more careful in the future.. But they will confinscate your winnings.

If the casino manager found it was unintentional then it would be an honest mistake, there would be no reason to confinscate the players winnings, unless there was an alternative objective for the term. This must just be a slap on the hand when they confinscate your winnings.

Then the mulitple account holders are allowed a second chance, for what! Simple, a second chance to deposit more and lose and then confinscate their money again when they win.

I thought casinos close multiple accounts and they stayed closed. Here you get do overs.

Players who intentionally open multiple accounts are doing it for one reason, the free money and to pull one over on the casino, their called bonus abusers for a reason. Their not the ones that will fall for this do over clause.

Looks like some work needs to be done on these terms...:notworthy

 

[funky_seagull]

Alexishot69,

Please remember that you checked the box on our signup page agreeing to

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This agreement states in relevant part :

1.2.1.8. Allow us to email you promotions from time to time to the email address you use to register. You will be given the option to unsubscribe within each email;

I have never checked any box or signed up with your site but I recieved several promotional emails from you.

That was the first thing that put me off joining.

The 2nd thing was the name. Made me think of nappies. And is really tacky and not very well thought out.

The 3rd thing was the max cashout policy. Which looks suspicously like you don't have enough money to deal with a big win.

I am sorry but it all sounds dodgy to me.

I hope I am wrong. For the sake of anyone who joins your casino...

 

[SlotMonster]

I have never checked any box or signed up with your site but I recieved several promotional emails from you.

It could be checked by default, so you just didn't see that it had already been checked and left it "as is"...maybe

 

[funky_seagull]

I had never heard of pamper until I recieved their promotional email.

Unless they got my email from clubplayer... Because I did join club player ages ago when I didn't know any better... And recieved promotional emails from cirrus and coolcat as a result. who I learnt later were all part of the same group...

 

[poser]

Isn't it possible, that this max cashout rule for further deposits (even w/o bonus) is in playce because of the (strange) possiblility to "zero out" each and every bonus at every time you like with a second deposit.
Remember, if you do zero out with a new deposit, even your wagering requirements are done !!!

So, easy:

- dep: 20$, get 2000% = 420$

- make a BIG gamble to double up to 840 (all games are allowed, just do not count !!!!!)

- then "zero out" bonus + wagering req. with a new deposit of 20 w/o bonus (or with a bonus with smaller WR,eg 100%) -> 840 - 400 (sticky) = 440$.


- => +EV (440 * 0,47 ~ 210$)

So, with that max cashout rule, it all becomes a little harder, but still too easy.

And even w/o such "tricks" (that are mentioned in the T+Cs as allowed!!), a 500% Video Poker Bonus on EVERY deposit for example, sticky or not, 30% WR or not, max cashout or not, is too easy to exploit with huge bettings alone (just use a sticky-bonus calculator...). Can't be ok. Reminds me of the "Queen of Rogue City".

(Their "Aces and Faces" payout 99,2%, ALLOWED for 500% !!! ??????????)

 

[vinylweatherman]

Isn't it possible, that this max cashout rule for further deposits (even w/o bonus) is in playce because of the (strange) possiblility to "zero out" each and every bonus at every time you like with a second deposit.
Remember, if you do zero out with a new deposit, even your wagering requirements are done !!!

So, easy:

- dep: 20$, get 2000% = 420$

- make a BIG gamble to double up to 840 (all games are allowed, just do not count !!!!!)

- then "zero out" bonus + wagering req. with a new deposit of 20 w/o bonus (or with a bonus with smaller WR,eg 100%) -> 840 - 400 (sticky) = 440$.


- => +EV (440 * 0,47 ~ 210$)

So, with that max cashout rule, it all becomes a little harder, but still too easy.

And even w/o such "tricks" (that are mentioned in the T+Cs as allowed!!), a 500% Video Poker Bonus on EVERY deposit for example, sticky or not, 30% WR or not, max cashout or not, is too easy to exploit with huge bettings alone (just use a sticky-bonus calculator...). Can't be ok. Reminds me of the "Queen of Rogue City".

(Their "Aces and Faces" payout 99,2%, ALLOWED for 500% !!! ??????????)

I doubt their software is that bad!

The argument made by their rep was not this, it was that even LOSING everything, bonus AND deposit, and depositing onto a ZERO balance, and with your own cash only, STILL tied you to the max cashout. This is a completely bogus argument (for random games), as the starting balance is only that of the original cash deposit, and there should be no "stored value" in any of the RANDOM games to empty out with the cash deposit alone.

The rep then argued on the basis of liability, not wanting to have to pay out too much cash to any player who had an exceptional run of luck. The clear intention seems to be that EVERY player uses bonuses, and that NO PLAYER exposes the casino to "unlimited liabilty" by playing with their own funds alone. This is easily done by saying that even ONE bonus taken is enough to render the account PERMANENTLY limited by a max cashout rule, and could easily be manipulated by craftily adding a bonus to a player's account, and them playing it & getting permanently capped.

 

[LOOKAWAY]

When they came up with the name pampers it was not a great play for the word pampered i must agree even know the two means the same thing i just think off nappies.

The only problem is how can you be pampered with a life time sentence off 1x max cashout!

Thats alot off work for that kind off payout and will not leave anyone feeling to special, unless your only playing to play which means you are not a gambler or a player!

 

[Alexishot69]

more nappy rash.

Alexishot69,

Please remember that you checked the box on our signup page agreeing to

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

This agreement states in relevant part :

1.2.1.8. Allow us to email you promotions from time to time to the email address you use to register. You will be given the option to unsubscribe within each email;

Promotional emails never go out more than twice a week and it is usually restricted to once a week.

If you do not wish to receive future emails from us simply click the "manage your subscription" button within the promotional email you got and unsubscribe from the list. You will be added to our Global Suppression list and will never hear from us again unless their is activity in your casino account in which case you will receive account related emails only. We are obligated to send those due to contractual agreements with our credit card processors and other processing providers and you cannot unsubscribe from those.

Regarding the other messages in this thread, I have a suggestion on how to play without any wagering requirements and without any maximum cashout! Don't take any bonuses

I have done this 2x already and still recieve these emails with todays one upto 2100% ..

 

[Rhyzz]

Your username at Pamper Casino is : xxxxxxx
Your password at Pamper Casino is : xxxxxxx

Gotta love these places who send out emails with passwords on...

 

[Alexishot69]

i wonder

i wonder in all reality if anyone actually plays at the pampercasino...i mean no matter what side you look at it theres ROGUE stamped allover it ..

 

[Alexishot69]

And still they spam

Dear xxxx xxxxxxx
2150% bonus is available unlimited times on all deposits you make! Visa/Mastercard deposits directy from the site are now available too!!

http://www.pampercasino.com

Your username at Pamper Casino is : PAMxxxxx
Your password at Pamper Casino is : xxxxx
2150% bonus on all deposits of $ 20 - 200

Coupon code : 2150WEEK

Redeemable UNLIMITED times until July 30, 2008!
To login :

http://www.pampercasino.com

Deposit methods available :

1> Visa, Mastercard or Maestro - Non-US players only
2> American Express or JCB credit card - Global players including US!
3> EWalletXpress E-Wallet for checks or 900 telephone charges - US & Canada players only
4> Western Union or Moneygram - Global players including US!
5> Neteller E-Wallet - Non-US & Canada players only
6> Click2Pay E-Wallet- Non-US players only
7> Moneybookers E-Wallet - Non-US players only

Coupon code 2150WEEK is available to you and any friends you may refer by using the "Forward to a Friend" link at the bottom of this email.

You will receive 333% bonus on your friend's deposit!

Full details of refer a friend bonus and even more bonuses at :

http://www.pampercasino.com/bonuses

Don't forget to read our terms and conditions before redeeming any bonus including 2150WEEK :

http://www.pampercasino.com/terms_conditions/index_login.html

Enjoy!


Yeah right enjoy what getting robbed perhaps...i done what the rep told me and unsubscribed but still they come and now upto 2150% bonus...lol...why dont they just say deposit and well let you play for a bit before robbing your loot...lol

 

[Alexishot69]

best recommendations?????

And yep the spam continues but sadly the bonus has gone down to 2000% but hey at least its safe after al;l they claim now to be voted BEST RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER 1 NO DOWNLOAD CASINO...surely to god this PROVES the rogueness in this cowboy outfit huh...and yes they DID removemy email but now im getting these to rejoin ffs whats going on nappied ones...

Dear xxxx xxxxx,

Pamper Casino is 2008's #1 no-download casino according to Best Recommendations magazine!

And now, Pamper has direct Visa and Mastercard deposits available via the cashier!

To signup go to :

Link Removed (invalid)

$ 100 free chip is being offered to all who signup to celebrate!

Coupon Code : 100FREE

To signup go to : bl bla i wont post the rest of it much the same as above except the 2150 bonus is now 150% less...lol

 

[vinylweatherman]

And yep the spam continues but sadly the bonus has gone down to 2000% but hey at least its safe after al;l they claim now to be voted BEST RECOMMENDATIONS NUMBER 1 NO DOWNLOAD CASINO...surely to god this PROVES the rogueness in this cowboy outfit huh...and yes they DID removemy email but now im getting these to rejoin ffs whats going on nappied ones...

Dear xxxx xxxxx,

Pamper Casino is 2008's #1 no-download casino according to Best Recommendations magazine!

And now, Pamper has direct Visa and Mastercard deposits available via the cashier!

To signup go to :

Link Removed (invalid)

$ 100 free chip is being offered to all who signup to celebrate!

Coupon Code : 100FREE

To signup go to : bl bla i wont post the rest of it much the same as above except the 2150 bonus is now 150% less...lol

So they are now into magazine publishing as well


Besides, they are wrong, the new magazine "Serb Hackers Monthly" has voted, and by a mile, that the best no-download casino for them has been "Ministering Angel"

 

[Alexishot69]

FAO PAMPERCASINO

Maybe you could let us all know where and by whom you were VOTED BEST RECOMMENDATIONS NO1 NO DOWNLOAD casino huh? not sure theyll be able to answer that but i have no doubts there names full of it....and vinyl lol@ your above post i went n to read all that thread so by my reckoning you owe me 30 mins at least of air...lol

 

[The Dude]

Admin Note

Please don't post URLs from spam mails - you're giving these guys even more exposure by doing so. When posting, there is a Miscellaneous Option "Automatically make website links clickable"

De-select that and you're good to go.

 

[The Dude]

Did a quick google search on aff code af=maarten2&bn=44

Looks like this affiliate has been sprinkling his spam in cyberland. I would expect that this aff has had his affiliate account shut down. Right?

 

[Alexishot69]

HEADERS

X-Apparently-To: [email protected] via 217.146.188.140; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:38:31 +0000
X-Originating-IP: [216.27.93.118]
Return-Path: <[email protected]>
Authentication-Results: mta838.mail.ukl.yahoo.com from=pampercasino.com; domainkeys=neutral (no sig)
Received: from 216.27.93.118 (EHLO smtp8.icpbounce.com) (216.27.93.118) by mta838.mail.ukl.yahoo.com with SMTP; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 10:38:28 +0000
Received: from localhost.localdomain (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by smtp8.icpbounce.com (Postfix) with ESMTP id 071A95CFBE for <[email protected]>; Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:32:14 -0400 (EDT)
Date: Fri, 25 Jul 2008 06:32:14 -0400
To: [email protected]
From: "Pamper Casino 2000% bonus" <2000bonus@pampercasino<dot>.com> Add to Address BookAdd to Address Book
Subject: xxxxx xxxxx, $ 100 free chip + 2000% bonus
Message-ID: <[email protected]>
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List-Unsubscribe: <http://app.icontact.com/icp/listunsubscribe.php?r=19117408&l=30867&s=H5L5&m=239564&c=255752>
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X-ICPINFO:
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Content-Length: 12053

Theres the full headers from the email i aint by any means an expert but does make it looklike it came from pampercasino...

 

[pampercasino]

OK Alexi. I have been extremely fair before posting this.

I have :

1> Publically posted on this forum
2> Emailed you via this forum
3> Private messaged you via this forum.

Asking you for your email address to have you permanently unsubscribed from all communication from us. You refuse to answer me.

I can only assume you do not wish to be removed from the list you subscribed to by signing up to our site and agreeing to our terms.

Even though this last email was not from us but from an affiliate. But most of the emails you have posted have been from us. We are prepared to pass your email onto the affiliate as well so he removes you from his lists as well.

But no one can do anything if you are enjoying posting these emails here and do not wish to be removed.

 

[Alexishot69]

FAO PAMPERCASINO

i have sent you a reply and also succesfully unsubscribed from your emailing list ..this was a NEW email to sign up to pampercasino VOTED BEST RECOMMENDATIONS no1 no download casino..so if and i have unsubscribed why then start sending me spam to resubscribe??? and maybe while your at it tell us where you were voted the no1 casino for a no-download casino huh?

 

[vinylweatherman]

OK Alexi. I have been extremely fair before posting this.

I have :

1> Publically posted on this forum
2> Emailed you via this forum
3> Private messaged you via this forum.

Asking you for your email address to have you permanently unsubscribed from all communication from us. You refuse to answer me.

I can only assume you do not wish to be removed from the list you subscribed to by signing up to our site and agreeing to our terms.

Even though this last email was not from us but from an affiliate. But most of the emails you have posted have been from us. We are prepared to pass your email onto the affiliate as well so he removes you from his lists as well.

But no one can do anything if you are enjoying posting these emails here and do not wish to be removed.

Alexi has already used the unsubscribe process, so it should not be necessary to send her Email to you personally.

It is hardly surprising that she doesn't want to, how does she know you wont just sell it off for profit, as well as unsubscribing her.

Once someone unsubscribes from something, it becomes spam by definition if the unsubscribe process itself is "fake" eg. does nothing to stop the unwanted "newsletters".

As for your affiliates, surely if you have enough control over them to take Alexi of their lists, you should be exerting some of that control to forbid spamming in the first place.

I have received ONE spam for this Diaper of a casino - yet I NEVER signed up at your site, and did not subscribe to anything. Your affiliate is buying spam-lists or otherwise obtaining said lists, perhaps through spammers networks.

The Pizzaria - I can't check, but the argument that this is a "business complex" just doesn't sound right. The address is of a single letterbox, which resolves as the Pizzaria, and it would be the Pizzaria that would receive letters addressed to the address on the website.
If it were a complex, the address would be of a more "complex" form, such as :-
Complex House
30 -32 Apex Hill,
Herlburn
London
<postcode>

What is far more likely is that this Pizzaria has a sideline going where an upstairs office acts for many companies in providing a "maildrop" service, where letters are received at the address of the Pizzaria, and then forwarded to the true adressess of the businesses. As well as the post office "PO Box" service, there are many companies who use their offices in this way to make a little extra, and indeed some whose entire business is receiving mail at their address, and sending it on.
There may be no actual Pamper casino staff there at all, just mail forwarders.
A bit more research, and a site visit, might throw more light on the functions of this address.

 

[Alexishot69]

Mr Vinyl

sorry to be a pain but im gonna have to give you a row..im a SHE not a he...lol

 

[vinylweatherman]

sorry to be a pain but im gonna have to give you a row..im a SHE not a he...lol

Fair enough

Fight, Fight, Fight........


August

32Red Slotmeister Tournament

Be there

(Hope Pat doesn't chuck the pair of us out for brawling)

 

[catrina m]

I had a look around pamper, then PM'd the rep who said they accept US.

Signed up and got a $100 free chip. Didn't get to experience much of the casino as the slot I picked took the free chip in about 10 minutes.

Just bad luck I guess.

 

[Alexishot69]

catrina

did exactly the same to me except wow 10 mins your luck was right in...lol

oh and vinyl in the traditional scottish way "YOUR CLAIMED"...lol

 

[pampercasino]

OK addressing the posts since my last post in this thread.

1> I'm afraid I don't believe Alexi has unsubscribed from the list. She was claiming as of last weekend (last time the newsletter went out) that we (not the affiliate) emailed her the weekly newsletter after she had unsubscribed. That is simply not possible unless she did not unsubscribe correctly. We have less than zero interest in mailing to a player who is unsubscribing from the promotions. It makes us no money and causes unnecessary headaches like this thread.

NO ONE else anywhere on the internet is claiming they have unsubscribed from our weekly newsletter and continue to get our emails since that simply does not happen. So either Alexi does not know how to do it or does not want to do it.

Either way, Alexi, please provide me your email to have you removed from the list. If you refuse to provide it and continue to post our weekly newsletters here and keep claiming they are spam I can only assume you are not interested in unsubscribing and want to continue this and I will stop responding to your claims.

We share our unsubscribe list with all affiliates who do permission based email marketing as we do not want people who don't wanna hear from us to hear from our affiliates either. So if Alexi unsubscribed from our list she would not hear from this affiliate either. I am looking forward to her getting our weekly newsletter this weekend and claiming that it is spam again.

2> Regarding Vinyl's claims, who is not a customer and who I unfortunately again have to address due to his very vivid imagination (vis-a-vis the "office pizzeria" stuff this time) 30 Borough High Street is indeed a business complex in London. You can have a look at all the offices there at :

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

We have never claimed the casino operates out of the London office. I made that pretty clear to Bryan before he posted his retraction. We operate out of Costa Rica. Operia Corp Limited (parent company of Pamper Casino) maintains a presence in London due to legal and contractual obligations. No actual casino related work is done from there.

Pamper Casino's offices are located in Costa Rica. That is where management & part of CS is located. We also have a call center in India that handles the bulk of our CS for our EU clients. I hope that puts this issue to rest once and for all.

3> Finally, Bryan, I also googled +"af=maarten2&bn=44" and did not find anything except a couple advertising links. We do not accept affiliates that spam. The affiliate Maarten works very closely with us and we are pretty sure he is fully compliant on all email guidelines. If Maarten is spamming we wanna know about it. Please PM/email me some stuff on this if you have it.

 

[vinylweatherman]

OK addressing the posts since my last post in this thread.

1> I'm afraid I don't believe Alexi has unsubscribed from the list. She was claiming as of last weekend (last time the newsletter went out) that we (not the affiliate) emailed her the weekly newsletter after she had unsubscribed. That is simply not possible unless she did not unsubscribe correctly. We have less than zero interest in mailing to a player who is unsubscribing from the promotions. It makes us no money and causes unnecessary headaches like this thread.

NO ONE else anywhere on the internet is claiming they have unsubscribed from our weekly newsletter and continue to get our emails since that simply does not happen. So either Alexi does not know how to do it or does not want to do it.

Either way, Alexi, please provide me your email to have you removed from the list. If you refuse to provide it and continue to post our weekly newsletters here and keep claiming they are spam I can only assume you are not interested in unsubscribing and want to continue this and I will stop responding to your claims.

We share our unsubscribe list with all affiliates who do permission based email marketing as we do not want people who don't wanna hear from us to hear from our affiliates either. So if Alexi unsubscribed from our list she would not hear from this affiliate either. I am looking forward to her getting our weekly newsletter this weekend and claiming that it is spam again.

2> Regarding Vinyl's claims, who is not a customer and who I unfortunately again have to address due to his very vivid imagination (vis-a-vis the "office pizzeria" stuff this time) 30 Borough High Street is indeed a business complex in London. You can have a look at all the offices there at :

You do not have permission to view link Log in or register now.

We have never claimed the casino operates out of the London office. I made that pretty clear to Bryan before he posted his retraction. We operate out of Costa Rica. Operia Corp Limited (parent company of Pamper Casino) maintains a presence in London due to legal and contractual obligations. No actual casino related work is done from there.

Pamper Casino's offices are located in Costa Rica. That is where management & part of CS is located. We also have a call center in India that handles the bulk of our CS for our EU clients. I hope that puts this issue to rest once and for all.

3> Finally, Bryan, I also googled +"af=maarten2&bn=44" and did not find anything except a couple advertising links. We do not accept affiliates that spam. The affiliate Maarten works very closely with us and we are pretty sure he is fully compliant on all email guidelines. If Maarten is spamming we wanna know about it. Please PM/email me some stuff on this if you have it.

1) - So basically, you are calling Alexi a liar. It is totally impossible for YOU to be wrong, therefore Alexi cannot possibly have unsubscribed.

OK, Alexi, how about unsubscribing again, and posting a screenshot of the process, including any message of success you get. Then see if there is any further issuance of the newsletter next weekend.

2) I can accept that there are many businesses along that particular street, except that Operia Corp is NOT ONE OF THEM!!!!!!

According to that London website you quoted, you have no presence there - you had better tell them they have missed you out, it is only causing damage to your reputation.

Since when were players interested in the address of a tiny office purely present for regulatory purposes. They are interested in where the CASINO is based and run from, THIS is the regulatory regime that is going to govern their gaming and financial transactions.

Costa Rica cannot even regulate it's own affairs well, let alone offer a regime for regulating Internet casinos.

What does the parent company, Operia Corp Limited actually do? The casino, naturally, is merely a subsidiary based in Costa Rica, so we would expect the parent company to be running a mainstream business.

Could Operia merely be a registered shell company, a convenient way to run an offshore casino with an air of legitimacy by being able to appear to the unwary to be British run. The "regulatory requirement" would then simply be the need to have a registered UK office, even if it had no staff or function.

 

[Alexishot69]

you know

something ...as a 29 yr old female only 1 time in my life have i been called a liar and that was telling my mother at 3 NO i hadnt shit myself when i had...lol...ironically along comes pampers and accuse me of a similar thing...anyhow if vinyl or casinomeister contacts me i will GLADLY give them the password to my email addy and they will see i am not telling lies....pamper maybe you oughta addrss also where you werre voted NO1 BEST RECOMMENDATIONS no-download casino or cant you read that bit

 

[catrina m]

This is interesting reading to say the least.

Can this casino handle the load in the pampers or is it leaking down their leg?

Stay tuned to the weather report.

Vinyl that is!

 

[Alexishot69]

i noticed

Thta the pamper rep was on the forum earlier but still; evades the questions put to him regarding the BEST RECOMMENDATIONS amongst other queries...im also reading they also now have a 2200% bonus...

 

[vinylweatherman]

Thta the pamper rep was on the forum earlier but still; evades the questions put to him regarding the BEST RECOMMENDATIONS amongst other queries...im also reading they also now have a 2200% bonus...

That's inflation for you

Could be seeing a rise in WR by the "central cashier" to curb it

I would expect bonuses to top 3000% by the fourth quarter of 2008, driven mainly by the pressures of players who are less and less willing to play here with such unbelievable bonus offers

"BEST RECOMMENDATIONS Magazine" - no sign of it in Google, and only 7 hits on that phrase, one being this thread, and two being from "iContact community" where a Pamper rep is trawling for "affiliates" by offering 50% of hold payment per player.


iContact Community gives the address of Pamper simply (and correctly) as "Costa Rica" , none of this London business complex/Operia stuff.