Opinion about fake money streamers?

I do log in now and than and thats mainly to see whats going on. I had just finished whaching the boxing last night and board shitless with the free roll at VS on fruit whack. The boxing was not much good either, if I wanted to whach people cuddle up I would tune in to tsome cartoons. more punch in a glass of lemonade than there is in boxing now days.

LOL I saw that in the pub last night in town, 'Special K' battered by Golovkin now battered by the American bloke too. He'd better quit now, he's almost lost his right eye to GGG and his left last night. Whichever weight division he chooses, he's got a fighter that is simply too good for him. That GGG guy (Gennady Golovkin) is a machine, he'll retire unbeaten as possibly the best middleweight ever.
 
Personally I never watch Live streams as I find it anally boring. BUT .... there is going to be huge money in this in the coming few years. Just as happened with the top gamers xbox PS2 - a few of which have literally made millions from the online streams through ad revenue and sponsorship. Im not a gamer at all, but I find it fascinating how different former pass times can become a real cash cow!

Live stream platforms such as twitch for casinos are here to stay and will only get more refined. And 100% casinos will NOT drop this form of advertising the same as the game developers for Play station and so on see this as a critical and very lucrative form of promotion. We will see much more involvement directly from the casino game developers in the next few years ... and this is where the money will be for affiliates.

My own business ventures are taking me away from casinos even though I did think long and hard about going the casino route - I need to stick to what I know .... but If I was to come into the casino affiliate side of things, streaming would be a must to make serious revenue in the long term.

Love it or hate it - its here to stay and is only going to get bigger.

P.S IF I was Dunover with his unique brutally honest (and oft foul mouthed ) way of doing his videos I would be in on this Now! No matter if you like it or not.
 
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LOL I saw that in the pub last night in town, 'Special K' battered by Golovkin now battered by the American bloke too. He'd better quit now, he's almost lost his right eye to GGG and his left last night. Whichever weight division he chooses, he's got a fighter that is simply too good for him. That GGG guy (Gennady Golovkin) is a machine, he'll retire unbeaten as possibly the best middleweight ever.

HeHeHe Yep could not fight hes way out of a paper bag, Round 10 after he had been butchered was a cracking round, if he had fought like that from the off than he may have stood a chance.

What actually made the night interesting was not even the fights but the boxers that was not fighting talking BS such as Khan before the fight he said the whole of Britain would love to see the fight against him and K, than after the fight he still said I would still like to fight him and it will be a pay per view. NO only reason the whole of U.K would tune in is to finally see the glass jaw of khan finally shattered
 
Personally I never watch Live streams as I find it anally boring. BUT .... there is going to be huge money in this in the coming few years. Just as happened with the top gamers xbox PS2 - a few of which have literally made millions from the online streams through ad revenue and sponsorship. Iim not a gamer at all, but I find it fascinating how different former pass times become a real cash cow.

Live stream platforms such as twitch for casinos are here to stay and will only get more refined. And 100% casinos will NOT drop this form of advertising the same as the game developers for Play station and so on see this as a critical and very lucrative form of promotion. We will see much more involvement directly from the casino game developers in the next few years ... and this is where the money will be for affiliates.

My own business ventures are taking me away from casinos even though I did think long and hard about going the casino route - I need to stick to what I know .... but If I was to come into the casino affiliate side of things, streaming would be a must to make serious revenue in the long term.

Love it or hate it - its here to stay and is only going to get bigger.

P.S IF I was Dunover with his unique brutally honest (and oft foul mouthed ) way of doing his videos I would be in on this Now! No matter if you like it or not.

LOL And the 'Finnish answer to dunover' (Suomikala) as McGameboy puts it, makes some honest ones too. As you say it's about 'refinement' and his and Craig's are quite watchable in that there is no BS but it's still anything goes at the moment and I have had a few affiliate accounts that have stated they don't want to be linked to YT, not because of my content or expletives but as a general policy - presumably it'd be too much hassle for them to police it.

I have done a few private paid slot reviews for smaller but growing developers pre-release and believe it or not the first was a bit concerned when they saw the end product that I hadn't sworn at or abused the game enough!! I explained (they were foreign) that I believed the principle of being paid to do a job meant higher standards of behaviour and being politely objective rather than ripping it apart for the sake of it if it was actually OK.

Back to twatching (I'd prefer 'streaming') you are possibly correct in terms of affiliate business and I have considered it but I suppose my feelings centre around the fact I wouldn't personally watch it myself. Unlike a video whereby you can forward it to find the key points where the player balance rises suddenly etc. you are pretty much filling the long quiet spells up with text requests like 'pick that one' or 'play this slot' which I find a bit silly especially when at sites like Virgin Games I immediately hide the chat column, but then if viewers like it....

The fact remains though that casinos are taking a risk here by associating their links with groups of drunks playing (irresponsible gambling), illegal raffles and certainly instances of misleading viewers by using play money or sponsored balances.

I think that the streams should not necessarily be censored, but the casinos should insist on say a banner or box under the window stating "fun balance" or 'real money sponsored balance" or simply "player real money funds with/without bonus". This may help stop the BS many on here have pointed out that's occurring.
 
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LOL And the 'Finnish answer to dunover' (Suomikala) as McGameboy puts it, makes some honest ones too. As you say it's about 'refinement' and his and Craig's are quite watchable in that there is no BS but it's still anything goes at the moment and I have had a few affiliate accounts that have stated they don't want to be linked to YT, not because of my content or expletives but as a general policy - presumably it'd be too much hassle for them to police it.

I have done a few private paid slot reviews for smaller but growing developers pre-release and believe it or not the first was a bit concerned when they saw the end product that I hadn't sworn at or abused the game enough!! I explained (they were foreign) that I believed the principle of being paid to do a job meant higher standards of behaviour and being politely objective rather than ripping it apart for the sake of it if it was actually OK.

Back to twatching (I'd prefer 'streaming') you are possibly correct in terms of affiliate business and I have considered it but I suppose my feelings centre around the fact I wouldn't personally watch it myself. Unlike a video whereby you can forward it to find the key points where the player balance rises suddenly etc. you are pretty much filling the long quiet spells up with text requests like 'pick that one' or 'play this slot' which I find a bit silly especially when at sites like Virgin Games I immediately hide the chat column, but then if viewers like it....

The fact remains though that casinos are taking a risk here by associating their links with groups of drunks playing (irresponsible gambling), illegal raffles and certainly instances of misleading viewers by using play money or sponsored balances.

I think that the streams should not necessarily be censored, but the casinos should insist on say a banner or box under the window stating "fun balance" or 'real money sponsored balance" or simply "player real money funds with/without bonus". This may help stop the BS many on here have pointed out that's occurring.

Understood and yes some casinos wont fit with your style. BUT .... there is no rule about expletives ... and some of the top gamers (that big guy cant remember his name ) forever cussing out loud and he has made a fortune purely on YT ad revenue. You dont even need to do it through it Twitch ... and dont need to rely only of casino affiliate revenue. Rather you monetize your YT channel - and throw in live streams up there - so you can make your own terms and conditions, such as play money, or what ever.... and go with any casino you like.

Example only a hand full of gamers get sponsored by Sony and so on, but ALL make money through the ad revenue generate by YT ... and if you get sponsors to sponsor your gaming - who take part of that revenue in return - the rewards can be massive without ever having the need to go near a casino affiliate program.

Thats how I would approach it - but hey who the fuck am I ha ....

Would I sponsor a business model like this ? maybe ... if it was right.

Would I go live and do my own streams ? No thats not me ... but people do make money in the back ground for sure!
 
Understood and yes some casinos wont fit with your style. BUT .... there is no rule about expletives ... and some of the top gamers (that big guy cant remember his name ) forever cussing out loud and he has made a fortune purely on YT ad revenue. You dont even need to do it through it Twitch ... and dont need to rely only of casino affiliate revenue. Rather you monetize your YT channel - and throw in live streams up there - so you can make your own terms and conditions, such as play money, or what ever.... and go with any casino you like.

Example only a hand full of gamers get sponsored by Sony and so on, but ALL make money through the ad revenue generate by YT ... and if you get sponsors to sponsor your gaming - who take part of that revenue in return - the rewards can be massive without ever having the need to go near a casino affiliate program.

Thats how I would approach it - but hey who the fuck am I ha ....

Would I sponsor a business model like this ? maybe ... if it was right.

Would I go live and do my own streams ? No thats not me ... but people do make money in the back ground for sure!

Yes, I am monetized and get a small monthly amount from Google AdSense and yes, if I ever considered it I would do it via YT not Twatch. Trust me you'd be better of with a CPA affy deal than AD revenue. You can get a decent amount from Ads on YT but you would need to be having far higher viewing figures than the people you mention. I get between 10 and 20k views per week and that earns less than a ton per month. The ones making a 4 or 5-figure monthly ad income are those with literally millions of subscribers and viewers which as you say those with PS2/Xbox subjects can get - slots won't. Sponsorship would pay far more pro-rata. Plus YT may suddenly have one of their 'turns' like a couple of years back when they summarily and arbitrarily shut down hundreds of YT channels and videos to do with gambling - ask Simmo! I believe he was affected at the time IIRC. I wasn't for some reason, possibly because they weren't being used or linked to through any gambling-related or promoting websites, and still aren't.

Any YT-based gambling stuff is a risky proposition to invest time and money in, as they can (and have in the past) simply wipe you off in a second - permanently.
 
I do log in now and than and thats mainly to see whats going on. I had just finished whaching the boxing last night and board shitless with the free roll at VS on fruit whack. The boxing was not much good either, if I wanted to whach people cuddle up I would tune in to tsome cartoons. more punch in a glass of lemonade than there is in boxing now days.

Really off-topic, but you can't be following boxing very much. Did you see Joshua vs Klitschko? One of the best heavyweight fights in decades. And the other huge bills we have coming up in the next months. 2017 will be a great year for boxing.
 
It is also illegal to hold public raffles or lotteries without a license in most EU countries, plus the UK, where the entrant's chance is conditional upon spending money or making a purchase. All it needs is one savvy or unhappy viewer to report this and these could be shut down overnight.

I'm still waiting for Rizk to come back to me about the dodgy as fuck raffle they were involved with at Xmas, they must think I've forgot about it ;)
 
Really off-topic, but you can't be following boxing very much. Did you see Joshua vs Klitschko? One of the best heavyweight fights in decades. And the other huge bills we have coming up in the next months. 2017 will be a great year for boxing.

Do I which boxing much ? Yes

And yes I did see that fight, it was not that bad to be honest but very rare you see a decent boxing match and that was my point
 
The fact remains though that casinos are taking a risk here by associating their links with groups of drunks playing (irresponsible gambling), illegal raffles and certainly instances of misleading viewers by using play money or sponsored balances.

I think that the streams should not necessarily be censored, but the casinos should insist on say a banner or box under the window stating "fun balance" or 'real money sponsored balance" or simply "player real money funds with/without bonus". This may help stop the BS many on here have pointed out that's occurring.

very well said, Mr Dunover.
I am 47 yo, I am supposed to be wise, and very often I see young guys and gals trying to learn all the worst things from internet. Of course, to find themselves ruined, broken, depressed, screwed.
Some "rules" must be applied, someway, to this twitching thing.
 
Reading these latest comments (not the boxing ones, though) made me think of the South Park episode Chef Aid. Seems like the streamers and the casinos they play at say "I am above the law!" and will administer the "Chewbacca defense".
 
Reading these latest comments (not the boxing ones, though) made me think of the South Park episode Chef Aid. Seems like the streamers and the casinos they play at say "I am above the law!" and will administer the "Chewbacca defense".

The main problem is that there not really showing the true representation

I will give a few examples - - When a few have streamed videoslots than they actually received any bonus UPFRONT and not the true 10% increments that they would of got when signed up

Also max bet rule - - This does not apply to most streamers that has contacted the casino to get some deal while streaming, people will be seeing bets being placed much higher than normally allowed

Playing non allowed games

A casino cannot do much if someone is steaming except close there account or give them a warning, but if a streamer is actually promoting a casino than that casino should dam well make sure that the streamer is giving a true reflection of what a new sign up can or cannot do. One streamer I have seen gets asked a question about wager and he is like a rabbit in a headlight Urm urm urm wager is this amount on this :confused: its a turn over BUT you can take out anythink after so urm if you win urm 10k you can take this out if if if.
NO if's as they no dam well what the score is but trying to mask the true fact about the wager

I have not a problem with streamers as if you do not like than do not watch, but gambling is a serious thing and (some) streamers really should take caution instead of it being all fun and games
 
The main problem is that there not really showing the true representation

I will give a few examples - - When a few have streamed videoslots than they actually received any bonus UPFRONT and not the true 10% increments that they would of got when signed up

Also max bet rule - - This does not apply to most streamers that has contacted the casino to get some deal while streaming, people will be seeing bets being placed much higher than normally allowed

Playing non allowed games

A casino cannot do much if someone is steaming except close there account or give them a warning, but if a streamer is actually promoting a casino than that casino should dam well make sure that the streamer is giving a true reflection of what a new sign up can or cannot do. One streamer I have seen gets asked a question about wager and he is like a rabbit in a headlight Urm urm urm wager is this amount on this :confused: its a turn over BUT you can take out anythink after so urm if you win urm 10k you can take this out if if if.
NO if's as they no dam well what the score is but trying to mask the true fact about the wager

I have not a problem with streamers as if you do not like than do not watch, but gambling is a serious thing and (some) streamers really should take caution instead of it being all fun and games

You mean things like telling everyone you can save bonus rounds till after you use the deposit money, telling people he checked with Rizk and it was ok, when in fact he was lying, that type of thing :thumbsup:
 
The main problem is that there not really showing the true representation

I will give a few examples - - When a few have streamed videoslots than they actually received any bonus UPFRONT and not the true 10% increments that they would of got when signed up

Also max bet rule - - This does not apply to most streamers that has contacted the casino to get some deal while streaming, people will be seeing bets being placed much higher than normally allowed

Playing non allowed games

A casino cannot do much if someone is steaming except close there account or give them a warning, but if a streamer is actually promoting a casino than that casino should dam well make sure that the streamer is giving a true reflection of what a new sign up can or cannot do. One streamer I have seen gets asked a question about wager and he is like a rabbit in a headlight Urm urm urm wager is this amount on this :confused: its a turn over BUT you can take out anythink after so urm if you win urm 10k you can take this out if if if.
NO if's as they no dam well what the score is but trying to mask the true fact about the wager

I have not a problem with streamers as if you do not like than do not watch, but gambling is a serious thing and (some) streamers really should take caution instead of it being all fun and games

Casino rewards has been contacting some streamers and asking them to play with fake money and telling them what we give you, you cannot cashout. But we will work out another deal with you.

I cant prove this but this is what I was told by two Canadian streamers that I know pretty well and trust.
 
The main problem is that there not really showing the true representation

I will give a few examples - - When a few have streamed videoslots than they actually received any bonus UPFRONT and not the true 10% increments that they would of got when signed up

Also max bet rule - - This does not apply to most streamers that has contacted the casino to get some deal while streaming, people will be seeing bets being placed much higher than normally allowed

Playing non allowed games

A casino cannot do much if someone is steaming except close there account or give them a warning, but if a streamer is actually promoting a casino than that casino should dam well make sure that the streamer is giving a true reflection of what a new sign up can or cannot do. One streamer I have seen gets asked a question about wager and he is like a rabbit in a headlight Urm urm urm wager is this amount on this :confused: its a turn over BUT you can take out anythink after so urm if you win urm 10k you can take this out if if if.
NO if's as they no dam well what the score is but trying to mask the true fact about the wager

I have not a problem with streamers as if you do not like than do not watch, but gambling is a serious thing and (some) streamers really should take caution instead of it being all fun and games
It's absolutely not the case a streamer represents a casino and there rules to the word.
I've contacted 2 accredited casinos on here regarding a streamer and the literal lies they spout. One even told me the streamer didn't contact them at all about being allowed to stack free spins rounds and bonus features using a bonus, even though that streamer said live on steam ' he contacted his affiliate manager and it was allowed) I have a email from his affiliate manager confirming he never asked. How shady is that?..
then you have streamers signing up at new casinos, failing to mention the places if they have self excluded accounts from that if a viewer signs up to they won't be paid....
and no not all 'streamers' are bad, but certain ones from certain groups are totally M.I.A when it comes to official rules and advising players.
That streamer in question I mention, after telling people it's ok to bonus stack live on stream, had to back track and tell people the exact opposite when miraculously his wagering was re attached to his account, only may i add after someone contacted the casino he was playing at and pointed this out.
Stream fair and honest, have morals then great I'm all for that.
Use shady tactics and blatant lies, then sorry no!.. just no!...
 
You mean things like telling everyone you can save bonus rounds till after you use the deposit money, telling people he checked with Rizk and it was ok, when in fact he was lying, that type of thing :thumbsup:

just like now, Ask Roshtein what is the max bet allowed and again huming and ifing. £10 max bet but here is the kicker he won 61k the othyer day playing £30 bets :confused:
 
You mean things like telling everyone you can save bonus rounds till after you use the deposit money, telling people he checked with Rizk and it was ok, when in fact he was lying, that type of thing :thumbsup:
That's a fine point that.
It can also be checked on YouTube I think...
 
You mean things like telling everyone you can save bonus rounds till after you use the deposit money, telling people he checked with Rizk and it was ok, when in fact he was lying, that type of thing :thumbsup:

Not had time yet mate, I might tomorrow depending on how bad the weather is. Yeah, no good is it :(
Reckon it'll be a 1st and 2nd mate in the championship for the countries 2 finest north eastern teams!...
 
well i think some of those guys are really good entertainers and thats really important thing to consider here :p They also have really good offers which benefits both them and casinos in question, meaning they can stream longer so i agree how that might create wrong picture for people who are new to online casinos but then again its just a new form of marketing and people who embrace it first are going to benefit most of it. Just like people who created affi websites did in the past, so i dont really see anything wrong there (other than fake money ones obviously).

oh and at first i really thought roshtein was very fake but now im like 100% convinced hes just a regular affiliate. Especially now when multilotto might try to scam him for his huge win (61k win on 30 eur bet on BoD). After his hit they added max bet clause to their T&C (and ninja added it, no notice or anything like that) so it wouldnt surprise me if they try to pull some shady $#($# hoping to confiscate his winnings.

and its all happening while hes streaming live, so some casinos really have no decency whatsoever. And thats kids why you dont play at random places :D
 
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I do everything to avoid seeing the Vince Russo of Malta anywhere.

I've stopped watching streams except for BALL1NLIVE. Just a bunch of affiliates playing with fake money or Russians with viewbots now. All the legitimate gamblers have abandoned Twitch.

I've also stopped watching attention seekers on YouTube. I do not condone the glorifying of gambling in any way, shape or form. People have had their lives destroyed by it and yet everyday these desperate for attention gamblers put up video of themselves playing high limit slots at their locals or abroad. They have killed off any interest I once had. I don't have the time to watch multiple 25 minute vanity pieces.
 
Anyone else have roshtein on their facebook today?

pretty damn annoying with the false advertising too and no idea how its on my fb

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I seen it all now

There should be a clamp down on this shit.

What ever happen to genuine no profit sites or just a few of there own advertisements. Now its all cross war on who can make the most profits with bull shits storys with the likes of this advert and the and the rest of the garbage that is advertised.

You will not be able to piss soon without some wanker's arm poping up through the toilet trying to sell you dick enlargement. The whole industry is a disgrace
 

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