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i completely agree people need to wake up
Online gambling has become a disgrace for UK players
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I thought pragmatic had it right with the ante bet on the likes of madam destiny and buffalo Megaways etc charging an extra 5p on 20p and 10 on 40p etc. That felt a fair compromise. But that was allegedly for a double chance to gain a feature entry.
Now u seek to be paying 50% more but with no real explanation of exactly what extra chance u get.
I’ve tried it on 10p stakes on those god awful bass games and it just seems a complete piss take.
I’d want to see exact chance %ages of features before I ever did again.
Now u seek to be paying 50% more but with no real explanation of exactly what extra chance u get.
I’ve tried it on 10p stakes on those god awful bass games and it just seems a complete piss take.
I’d want to see exact chance %ages of features before I ever did again.
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It's not just slots which have got worse to the point of complete boredom, but the general customer support offered by pretty much all UK licensed brands. There really isn't one which truly stands out anymore, there always seems to be at least one major issue with all of them. The staff who respond to emails & live chat are completely robotic, there's a lack of personality, understanding and compassion. They are completely fixated & obsessed with terms and conditions, rules and regulations. They never apologise or want to listen to feedback to improve. Management are nowhere to be seen nor interested in engaging with players. They have this entitled attitude and tend to look down at players rather than understand we're keeping these people in jobs, they need to be fully trained on the importance of customer service.
They don't care about losing players, they don't question why people are so often resorting to time-outs, self exclusion and Gamstop but merely assume everyone has a gambling problem when in fact they're fed up with piss-poor service, technical issues, poorly paying slots/or triggering features, issues with deposits/withdrawals.. Funny isn't it that 99% of brands never question why you're taking a break or closing an account, but accuse you of having a gambling addiction. I mean if I owned a casino and suddenly seen account closures are 50% up on last month, I would want to know what's happening and why! Maybe just maybe they have a rogue member of staff or a game has a malfunction and isn't triggering bonuses, or that players cannot reach customer support after 8pm etc etc. Each time a player self excludes/time-out I would ask them to complete a short survey, if it's not linked to a gambling problem a manager should intervene immediately and remedy/listen to the issues that player has to avoid losing them forever.
I'm also sick to the back teeth of seeing so many white hat gambling websites, Leo Gaming Plc, Skill on Net, L & L etc. No brand should be able to have more than say 3 websites, I would like to start seeing more independent casinos online rather than these huge groups which have dominated things for to long. Either way gambling online/offline will soon become near impossible with whats coming with CDBC/Digital ID/Social Credit Score etc. So I guess we just need to suck things up for the short amount of time we have left.
To conclude they're all just clones of each other and the majority of players are well & truly fed up with all of them and they seem to get away with treating people like shite day in / day out.
They don't care about losing players, they don't question why people are so often resorting to time-outs, self exclusion and Gamstop but merely assume everyone has a gambling problem when in fact they're fed up with piss-poor service, technical issues, poorly paying slots/or triggering features, issues with deposits/withdrawals.. Funny isn't it that 99% of brands never question why you're taking a break or closing an account, but accuse you of having a gambling addiction. I mean if I owned a casino and suddenly seen account closures are 50% up on last month, I would want to know what's happening and why! Maybe just maybe they have a rogue member of staff or a game has a malfunction and isn't triggering bonuses, or that players cannot reach customer support after 8pm etc etc. Each time a player self excludes/time-out I would ask them to complete a short survey, if it's not linked to a gambling problem a manager should intervene immediately and remedy/listen to the issues that player has to avoid losing them forever.
I'm also sick to the back teeth of seeing so many white hat gambling websites, Leo Gaming Plc, Skill on Net, L & L etc. No brand should be able to have more than say 3 websites, I would like to start seeing more independent casinos online rather than these huge groups which have dominated things for to long. Either way gambling online/offline will soon become near impossible with whats coming with CDBC/Digital ID/Social Credit Score etc. So I guess we just need to suck things up for the short amount of time we have left.
To conclude they're all just clones of each other and the majority of players are well & truly fed up with all of them and they seem to get away with treating people like shite day in / day out.
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I have just started playing the bass game since coming back to gambling , But I never use the extra bet although it doesn't seem to be available on all the bass slots where I play , The reason why I don't do the extra bet is because I tried the retro sweets slot where you can bet extra to have scatters come in , I was betting 10p but with the extra bet to have two scatters on every spin it was 20p I think , Sorry I only tried it once so can't remember the exact bet , But it went through £40 in lightning speed , So after that experience I was like no not again.
Retro Sweets is the absolute worst example case of this extra bet nonsense. The cost for the guaranteed 2 scatters nowhere near outweights the decimation it will do to a balance and it's complete bollocks that increases the bonus chance at all. I've gone through 20p base bet with the 2 scatter turned on and it did £100 in about 10 mins with no bonus.
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Sorry I got it wrong , I just went to check the retro sweets game , If you bet 10p a spin but choose to have two scatters come in on every spin it's 40p a spin , no wonder it went through £40 really quick and I didn't get a bonus.
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Retro Sweets is buy bonus game, you can spin 1000s of spins you luck if you get one bonus
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Virgin Games is not so bad actually and Bet 365 seem to leave you alone, they ain't perfect but far better than the competitors.
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yes bet365 is not bad but CS is very bad
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Think I spoke with two different support agents on CS, I felt like that wanted me off the chat asap with the usual... I couldn't care less attitude.
Best thing with Bet365 keep ya head down and enjoy the website experience & avoid CS lol.
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It’s all a con now spend £100s on the bass games and Goonies they don’t give bonuses just takes all your money £10 gone in 2 minutes on 40p spins it’s disgusting
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Best to phone them. But rare you ever need to.
Play slots and win or lose, then log off.
Play slots and win or lose, then log off.
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And condoms in the toilets to service the over 80's who get a big win!
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You sound like a bloke that I know
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I don’t bother much at all nowadays but I do have the odd session on Bonanza and DoA. All I can say is how the **** are Evolution getting away with the shite they are churning out? I played Bonanza at Betway and I kid you not, I have seen the game produce some absolute filth over the years, but nothing and I mean, nothing that comes close to the shite they’re running there!
It was so bad, I thought I had better check the help files to double check it was the 96% (ahem) version. Strangely, it doesn’t even say.
It was so bad, I thought I had better check the help files to double check it was the 96% (ahem) version. Strangely, it doesn’t even say.
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You are both wrong.
Its not the right place, but its not the wrong tab, you are both on 'dot' 12.
On the version that Snorky is playing you press the (!) button in the top left corner to see the rtp.
Its not the right place, but its not the wrong tab, you are both on 'dot' 12.
On the version that Snorky is playing you press the (!) button in the top left corner to see the rtp.
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Things were better in the old days when we all just played Microgaming slots in the Viper client and the RTPs were a closely guarded secret.
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You could open a help file on Viper games, the tedious small-type white sheet with rules in it for the RTP iirc. I'm sure I had all their figures before they went html 5 flash on QuickDire and later Games Global.
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Not right back in the olden days, at some point they had to add RTP in (regulation change perhaps?), but I remember back when The Osbournes was shiny and new (good slot that!), there was no mention of RTP anywhere.
I'm talking back in 2007-2008, something like that.
Mind you, it turned out that when all the RTPs were made available, MG basically ran all their games in the range 95-97%, so pretty good really.
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Good old Thunderstruck II had a slightly higher RTP if I recall, well it did for me anyway 
*Disclaimer, not posted pic or mentioned it in 5 years+ so there
*Disclaimer, not posted pic or mentioned it in 5 years+ so there
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Now Microgaming is Apricot, see below, lol. I was confused first with all those changes. Their .co.uk site redirects to this:
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I'm guessing they're doing pretty well since their glittering glass palaces in the capital here on the IOM are currently undergoing another upgrade.
Remember in Sim City where the same buildings could get upgraded time and time again to be better versions of themselves? Like that.
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An anagram of O! crap it.
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oh.Good old Thunderstruck II had a slightly higher RTP if I recall, well it did for me anyway
*Disclaimer, not posted pic or mentioned it in 5 years+ so there
you never mentioned that one
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The stats from my last session, spanning two days, at VS.
Eight and a half hours of solid play (with the Bandicam footage to back it up), a withdrawal of just over twice my initial £100 deposit, and a high point of £260. (I only played these five games.)
Online slots are the same as they've always been. Win some, lose some, long term and with a large enough spin sample, you're going to be pretty much bang on T-RTP and you'll have lost an average of the house edge per spin played. (Which is incidentally, what my stats look like on the backend at VS, and I've had an account there since the early days, December 2013 is when I signed up there, which is when they went in for Baptism Of Fire here at CM.)
Lifetime I'm down at VS, of course I am, because I've been playing random games with a house edge there for over a decade, but as long as one is careful in their choice of games to play, it's all just the same stuff as ever.
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135% RTP on Bonanza?? That's even more than I run at sometimes. TFRoL is good too.
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All lovingly documented here
It even managed to hit nicely in the base game more than once.TFROL is on the original RTP so a better choice than its gimped nephews, TS2 and IR.
Depositing at Videoslots again, because at least it works - Page 6 - Casinomeister Forum
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So, you pick one session that went well and use that as a stick to beat the snork. Come on old chap, you’re the one who says my samples aren’t big enough (and I’ve done a few million on Bonanza), then use an example of a few thousand spins as evidence that nothing has changed.
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That's why I said in my post snorky about having been a player for 11 years at VS, I was right in there on their Baptism Of Fire at CM.
(I started playing online back in 2007, so not as far back as some folk, but that's still 17 years as an online slotter. I started off back at 32Red on the Viper Casino.)
Yes some things have changed at VS over the years, they've started taking lower RTPs from some providers, and nothing like DOA2 existed back in 2013, or anything like NLC's rubbish, or bonus buys, or 'enhanced stakes' and so on.
However my point is that where I do my preferred sort of session, low stakes relative to my bankroll (bankroll of at least 500x), on low-medium variance games, they play the same as they always have. (TFROL was considered quite high volatility back in the day, in the year 2024 I think it'd probably pass as medium.)
I can still get exactly the same sort of playtime and decent runs now, as I did back in 2013, sometimes things play shit, of course they do, but overall I don't feel like I'm playing everything that's a load of gimped rubbish compared to what it used to be - and my stats on the backend at VS back that up, and there's eleven years' worth of data there.
As for Bonanza, I haven't played it anything like as much as you have, no question. However I did review it on my old YT channel fairly early on, I've fired it up here and there over the years, I used to include it in sessions on my old channel, and more recently whenever I've done stats tracking on it, I've shared the stats here at CM and they always fall pretty much bang on where they're supposed to. (Some things you can confidently state with relatively small spin samples, for example the 1/460 feature frequency, which remains unchanged.)
I don't really have a dog in this race, if my experiences and/or my stats led me to believe that something fishy was afoot, I'd have no problem saying so - (back in the day I got myself a ban here at CM for calling out fishy things in a rather intemperate fashion, I'm sure dunover will remember that
) - but I simply can't reconcile what you're claiming with my own experiences or stats.
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We can only go by our own experiences, that’s fair enough. My experience is totally different to yours. Perhaps if you did £100 deposits everyday and only played Bonanza, you would start to see patterns and outcomes that seem anything but random.
I have also posted stats that show at some Casinos I am running at 86% after a significant amount of spins so it’s not like it’s in my imagination.
Sessions seem very much black and white nowadays. It’s either, feast or famine, with far more sessions producing the latter. A few years back, that definitely wasn’t the case. Bonanza was known to be a good wagering slot. Not so sure it would be nowadays.
The number of consecutive losing spins has increased, without question. Hit a x15 base win and watch the compensation kick in immediately, with 15 dead spins. That never used to happen.
Given that there are literally thousands of winning and losing combos available, hitting 15 consecutive losing ones should be nigh on impossible. To reinforce the likelihood that it’s not random, if it is possible, then hitting 10 consecutive winners spins should also occur….but strangely, it never does.
I have also posted stats that show at some Casinos I am running at 86% after a significant amount of spins so it’s not like it’s in my imagination.
Sessions seem very much black and white nowadays. It’s either, feast or famine, with far more sessions producing the latter. A few years back, that definitely wasn’t the case. Bonanza was known to be a good wagering slot. Not so sure it would be nowadays.
The number of consecutive losing spins has increased, without question. Hit a x15 base win and watch the compensation kick in immediately, with 15 dead spins. That never used to happen.
Given that there are literally thousands of winning and losing combos available, hitting 15 consecutive losing ones should be nigh on impossible. To reinforce the likelihood that it’s not random, if it is possible, then hitting 10 consecutive winners spins should also occur….but strangely, it never does.
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That's why I said in my post snorky about having been a player for 11 years at VS, I was right in there on their Baptism Of Fire at CM.
(I started playing online back in 2007, so not as far back as some folk, but that's still 17 years as an online slotter. I started off back at 32Red on the Viper Casino.)
Yes some things have changed at VS over the years, they've started taking lower RTPs from some providers, and nothing like DOA2 existed back in 2013, or anything like NLC's rubbish, or bonus buys, or 'enhanced stakes' and so on.
However my point is that where I do my preferred sort of session, low stakes relative to my bankroll (bankroll of at least 500x), on low-medium variance games, they play the same as they always have. (TFROL was considered quite high volatility back in the day, in the year 2024 I think it'd probably pass as medium.)
I can still get exactly the same sort of playtime and decent runs now, as I did back in 2013, sometimes things play shit, of course they do, but overall I don't feel like I'm playing everything that's a load of gimped rubbish compared to what it used to be - and my stats on the backend at VS back that up, and there's eleven years' worth of data there.
As for Bonanza, I haven't played it anything like as much as you have, no question. However I did review it on my old YT channel fairly early on, I've fired it up here and there over the years, I used to include it in sessions on my old channel, and more recently whenever I've done stats tracking on it, I've shared the stats here at CM and they always fall pretty much bang on where they're supposed to. (Some things you can confidently state with relatively small spin samples, for example the 1/460 feature frequency, which remains unchanged.)
I don't really have a dog in this race, if my experiences and/or my stats led me to believe that something fishy was afoot, I'd have no problem saying so - (back in the day I got myself a ban here at CM for calling out fishy things in a rather intemperate fashion, I'm sure dunover will remember that
Sorry Chops but that just isn't the case anymore and not just bad luck, pretty much 95% of sessions, "good old days sessions" are like once a year, if that. Also I am playing pretty much the same games/stakes/RTP/variance as back then.
From what I read, I am also not alone, far from it. In fact no offence mate but you seem to be in a tiny minority with what you describe here.
Bottom line is we can bat this ball back and forth for ever and a day but none of us truly know what goes on behind closed doors.
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Yeah I can’t say I agree with this statement either, and I’ve only been in the online slot game for four or so years. Slots are a lot more volatile now than they were even then. Existing slots that used to help keep your balance somewhat buoyant now seem a lot more volatile.
When I first started playing online, I managed to work a £50 deposit up to £1000 over months of play (bet365, only playing there once per week, on minimum stakes, never withdrawing, not one max win). I realise this is an outlier, but nothing comes even close to that experience now.
I’m not an RTP skeptic, but I strongly believe that the nerfing of slots is real (altering the volatility profile).
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One of those streamer myths that never was - good enough RTP, but too volatile for a wagering slot.
It is, and it does... but your understanding of the probabilities seems somewhat distorted:
| Strike Rate | 5 wins (in a row) | 10 wins | 5 losses | 15 losses |
| 20% (1 in 5) | 1 in 3125 | 1 in 9.76m | 1 in 3.05 | 1 in 28.42 |
| 25% (1 in 4) | 1 in 1024 | 1 in 1.04m | 1 in 4.21 | 1 in 74.83 |
| 33% (1 in 3) | 1 in 243 | 1 in 59,049 | 1 in 7.59 | 1 in 437.8 |
| 50% (1 in 2) | 1 in 32 | 1 in 1024 | 1 in 32 | 1 in 32,768 |
A lot of slots will have a strike rate in that 20-33% range - so the odds of 15 losses in a row is monumentally higher than 10 wins in a row.
If we take 20% strike rate as an example, the ratio is roughly one win (0.200) to seven losses (0.209) - so ten wins in a row would actually be equivalent to 72 losses in a row.
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You make me never want to play slots again…
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Even at such a high strike rate (assuming 0.375 for ease of numbers), 15 losses (1 in 1153) would still be 16 times more likely than 10 wins (1 in 18184). Nowhere near as bleak as 20-25% strike rates, but still a significant difference.
For the sake of completeness, the two lines cross around 43%.
I guess we can move onto the next chapter, "the spin that just missed"...You make me never want to play slots again…
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Hmmmm
Not so sure here, think things go deeper than this, again something that will never fully come to light.
A good while back VS did an in game trophy/award where 5/10/25 free spins were awarded for "Win 5 times in a row on slot 'X'", "Win 7 times in a row on slot 'X'"
These were required to complete the "Win All trophies" award, 200 free spins in game 'X'
My point, these were fairly easy to achieve back then and did not for a moment suggest the stats listed
Not so sure here, think things go deeper than this, again something that will never fully come to light.
A good while back VS did an in game trophy/award where 5/10/25 free spins were awarded for "Win 5 times in a row on slot 'X'", "Win 7 times in a row on slot 'X'"
These were required to complete the "Win All trophies" award, 200 free spins in game 'X'
My point, these were fairly easy to achieve back then and did not for a moment suggest the stats listed
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Slots used to allow you to win on 7 spins in a row?? Even 5 spins?Hmmmm
Not so sure here, think things go deeper than this, again something that will never fully come to light.
A good while back VS did an in game trophy/award where 5/10/25 free spins were awarded for "Win 5 times in a row on slot 'X'", "Win 7 times in a row on slot 'X'"
These were required to complete the "Win All trophies" award, 200 free spins in game 'X'
My point, these were fairly easy to achieve back then and did not for a moment suggest the stats listed
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Yes mate.
These were "built in" to most games and there was a section where you could check your progress.
The pop ups with the notifications were obviously not every 5 minutes but did happen and you could get these extras without it costing 1,000's of spins too.
Of course there were games you'd avoid where you know it would be harder (Big Bass for example) but generally they happened and were achievable.
Once completed and you'd had the full hidden reward extras for a game, you could reset it and do it all over again too.
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Okay, to keep it simple, 15 dead spins in a row shouldn’t happen as often as it does. Especially with a game that boasts 75% rtp in the base. I could go on forever. Multiple big hit cascades in the 117 (doesn’t happen now), high multiplier in the bonus, rarely seen, bonuses paying under x50 way more often, etc, etc.Even at such a high strike rate (assuming 0.375 for ease of numbers), 15 losses (1 in 1153) would still be 16 times more likely than 10 wins (1 in 18184). Nowhere near as bleak as 20-25% strike rates, but still a significant difference.
For the sake of completeness, the two lines cross around 43%.
I guess we can move onto the next chapter, "the spin that just missed"...
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If you've got meaningful data to back that up - then I'm all ears. Otherwise it's going to be the gambler's favourite... the rose-tinted glasses.
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Dead spins is not about the RTP in the base game, it's about the hit rate (i.e how that RTP is distributed).
You could have 75% RTP in the base game and just do it all with rare 100x wins if you wanted to. jasonuk has already shown you the numbers for Bonanza above, based on a 37% hit rate. (Which I can evidence with my lifetime stats on the game from VS.)
3Dice's Enchanted Spins was a bastard for dead spins in the base game, it was basically a slam dunk for getting the 'Dead Spin' achievement every month, 20 zero pay spins on the trot. There was a lot of RTP in the base game, but it was very lumpy. (To be clear, I loved Enchanted Spins, it was one of my favourite games, but you needed to get your head around its maths.)
Bonanza is nowhere near as bad as that slot for dead spins.
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What I am saying is, in the early days 15 consecutive dead spins on Bonanza was unheard of but now it’s the norm. The game rarely rinsed two consecutive deposits but now it can rinse 7 or 8 without batting an eyelid. It absolutely was a good game to wager on. Ask @pinnit2014, he was always completing big wagering requirements via Bonanza. I did it myself, many times.
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I have posted quite a few times, showing 86% after doing enough spins to be relevant. I have had over 5,000 bonuses and I really wish that I had recorded the stats. I do have the vast majority screenshotted but it would take a lifetime to trawl back through.
Of the hardcore Bonanza players on the forum that stood the test of time, I would say @pinnit2014, Fruitpro, Kenny, a couple I don’t remember and myself (Dunover but we don’t know what version he plays), have done the most spins. Why is it, that we all played for 5 or 6 years (admittedly a whinge here and there) but never felt the need to close accounts or abstain from the game and then if by magic, we all thought, what’s going on here? And felt that playing that hard was no longer sustainable. Did we all just imagine it at the same time?
I’ve been around slots a long long time. I have seen things happen that seem unexplainable. Most people are not observant enough to even notice what goes on but I always make connections and look to see what’s going on if something doesn’t look right.
A little bit of a tangent but does everyone remember the FOBTS? Corals and Hills used to run promotions. Things like, £50 virtual money loaded onto the machine and each player had to play the chosen game. The player with the highest amount in 2 minutes (or whatever the designated time was), won £50 in real money that had to be played through the game at least once.
I used to watch players and observe what happened as the totals were ridiculously high in virtual play but shocking when the prize money was being played. It didn’t take long to work out that when the virtual money was loaded by the manager, a key was turned in the side of the machine, which obviously changed the rtp to about 500% or something ridiculous.
When the real money was being played, it was the normal, shitty, 70% or whatever those heaps of shit were set to pay. I won at least 50% of the contests by realising what was happening. When it came to my go, I couldn’t guarantee hitting a big enough win to steal the comp outright so I played on max stake and kept gambling every win until I either lost or hit a total that was likely to win it.
I remember going into Hills about 5pm one Friday and asked what the leading score was. The manager laughed and said £485, you’re not winning this one. I have to admit, I thought he was probably right. He loaded me up the Rainbow Riches with the virtual £50 and after about £25, a win of £125 dropped in. Straight on the gamble, doubled it twice and left the time run down with £525 on the clock. Say no more.
Like I say, I won good knows how many of the them, with totals you could only dream of………BUT, and here’s the thing. Out of all the times I won, I only once won more than £20 off of the real £50. That was on some fruit repeater, where I played £1 spins. I kid you not, the first 49 spins were completely dead. On the last spin, I hit a £30 win and it repeated 3 times and that was the 1 and only time I made more than the £50 I started with.
With regards to FOBTS, I watched them an awful lot. Hours and hours I will never get back and I can say with 100% confidence, they were not random. Online gambling is an exact replica of the FOBT. Same companies, same shenanigans.
I know a lot more about what went on than a lot may be aware of. I am not going to post on here, as it would be obvious to some undesirables who I am but I promise you it was all far from legit. I have even named a Company in a couple of PM’s to members that I trust, naming and shaming prior to a couple of incidents that occurred. I don’t feel that I have to prove anything. I’ve been there and got the T-shirt. People can either trust what I say or laugh and completely ignore me. I don’t care, I am too thick skinned to be bothered by all that crap.
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That's fair, and why I mentioned data. There's been enough threads of late which can be distilled down to "people don't understand basic mathematics" or "I've had one bad session therefore all slots are bent".
Nobody is going to suggest everything is on the level - and FOBTs in particularly have had their share of dodgy stuff going on. I can absolutely believe a "promotional game" (which may look like a real game, but is not regulated as such) behaves wildly different to the real deal - a blatant attempt to trap players by thinking "it's that easy" when it isn't... akin to the monopoly money streamer crowd of recent years.
One thing that has come up in recent months is regarding FOBT pie gambles. The two theories being floated were that they seem to "just miss" a lot more (which comes back to the insufficient scrutiny of the UI - if the regulated engine returns win or lose, you know what the UI is going to do with that information), and that non-selected gambles win disproportionately (which possibly comes down to the same trick, and is dirty as hell).
As for BTG, a lot of their early success was founded on misinformation ("it's a good wagering slot", "it has potential", here are totally legit real screenshots posted by "members" who happened to be BTG employees) so you never know...
Nobody is going to suggest everything is on the level - and FOBTs in particularly have had their share of dodgy stuff going on. I can absolutely believe a "promotional game" (which may look like a real game, but is not regulated as such) behaves wildly different to the real deal - a blatant attempt to trap players by thinking "it's that easy" when it isn't... akin to the monopoly money streamer crowd of recent years.
One thing that has come up in recent months is regarding FOBT pie gambles. The two theories being floated were that they seem to "just miss" a lot more (which comes back to the insufficient scrutiny of the UI - if the regulated engine returns win or lose, you know what the UI is going to do with that information), and that non-selected gambles win disproportionately (which possibly comes down to the same trick, and is dirty as hell).
As for BTG, a lot of their early success was founded on misinformation ("it's a good wagering slot", "it has potential", here are totally legit real screenshots posted by "members" who happened to be BTG employees) so you never know...
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That last post was a post in general, although I replied to you. I went off at a tangent but it’s all relative. I feel.
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Just my 2 cents but land based casinos are much better than online (on high limit areas the RTP is 94-96%), on top of that you will get comps for like nice room, nice foods, tournaments, and best of all, paid right there and then if you hit a jackpot.
I fly a lot between europe and US and when I play online now, its so bad, I cant enjoy online anymore, I play RTG in US and same there as well.
But I get it, its much easier to play at comfort at your house, but at end of the day, I feel the land based is where my excitement and enjoyable is for nowdays.
I fly a lot between europe and US and when I play online now, its so bad, I cant enjoy online anymore, I play RTG in US and same there as well.
But I get it, its much easier to play at comfort at your house, but at end of the day, I feel the land based is where my excitement and enjoyable is for nowdays.
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