Okay Quick ? All help appreciated

[MSWILS411]

Ok I am not gonna say names because it may make it worse. A few nights ago i wona good bit of money as posted in the screen shots. i called my friend and so she logged into her account and decided to pla as we were talking on the phone . She also won and way more than i did, problem is she deposited by echeck 200.00. okay so the next day she decids to do a withdrawl by ach bank transfer. She called her bank because she has 2 accounts there and wanted to transfer some money. Her husband has taken her off the bank account. They had a agreement to leave that one open until the divorce was finale. Why i have no clue other thanhe was getting the housing allowance allotment sent there cause hes military and until the divorce is finale that has to go to her. My question is, She won over 20,000.00 but when that echeck does not clear she will not get a dime of it is what I'm thinking. Any suggestions, Someone said maybe she should try to make a deal with the casino , I'm coming here where I know people will be honest. Thanks you guys any suggestions would be so appreciated

 

[The Watchdog]

Easy

Have her explain the casino what happened, she can send the money through Neteller, Western Union, InstaDebit,... what ever...

Just make sure she notifies, explains and that the chargeback/return will be paid by her.

The casino shouldn't make a problem if the funds are good.

Let me know what happens to see how this casino handles the situation.

But have her send the money right away.

 

[MSWILS411]

Should

She ask the casino to take a lump sum of the payout or just send the money?
She said she was willing to see if they would settle for just paying at least half of the 20,000.00.. And when you say the funds good, She can prove they were that morning, But he just didnt take her name off he took all the money so there are no funds to be good. So have her send them or see if they will take it out of the payout.

 

[lucky21]

difficult

Hmmm
sounds difficult, ask if she had to agree that funds were available (tick the box) when she sent the check, If she did agree to this then the casino may make it hard for her, My experience is as nice as customer service can be they dont really do you any favours, I would recommend allways using neteller that way if the money is not there you cant bet keeps it simple.

cheers
Lucky

 

[MSWILS411]

Worried

Hmmm
sounds difficult, ask if she had to agree that funds were available (tick the box) when she sent the check,

I'm confused.you said ask if she had to agree funds were available. When she did the echeck I can assure you without asking she had every beleif the funds were there. She works for fox news in Los Angeles. She goes to church every sunday and she is a honest genuine person, (Not that that will make a diffrence to the casino) But the casino terms and conditions actually do not say the winnings will not be paid out if funds bounce . i am not sure how it's worded but I have seen in terms and conditions at some casinos actually say if for any reason the funds do not clear all winnings will be void. But this casino says nothing of the sort and if anything I'm hoping they will be decent about it. I will not say she needs the money but it would sure help as I am sure a extra 20 grand or more could help anyone here. My honest opinion is I feel it would be really bad,9cant think of another word) or messed up if they voided that much money over a couple hundred. I think they could at least take out the amount then maybe a little extra for the mix up. I would like to hear you guys opinion on that.

 

[lucky21]

yeah Mswils
I understand what you mean by her being honest, what i am saying is if there was an agreement she ticked then the casino may use this against her regardless of how honest she was being. you say there didnt seem to be any agreement, in that case things may be in your favour as the casino gave her credit before any clearance so then you could think they bear the responsibility
I have experience with casino's not paying believe me, I am trying to get $150,000 that i won in BJ, and all i did was play the game did nothing wrong, the casino has said i used a bot, then they said my play was illegal.
Thats a large problem in this industry there is no real defined rules for the industry, no regulator, and as such they tend to think they can get away with saying we wont pay
cheers lucky

 

[silkprint]

I personally wouldn't get my hopes up .
You know how many times casinos have probably heard this same thing .
People gamble with money they don't have trying to hit so then they can pay it back .
I'm not saying that's what she did but that's the way the casino most likely will .
She should get a bank statement showing the money was physically in the account at the time of her transaction and then she might be alright .
Good luck.

 

[pacers31]

Sorry, but I think she is screwed! Its kind of like writing a check for your car insurance, and after it bounces you have an accident. Best intentions aside, you are not covered. When you write the check you are guaranteeing funds will cover it. If she gets away with this one, I want to play there. My check is good, really. Maybe not today, but soon, I promise!! I'm sure the intentions were good on her part, but bounce is bounce after all.

 

[MSWILS411]

I totally see what you are saying but

I totally see what your point is, But to me a bounced check is when you write a check on a account that it comes back nsf. and even then 99.9% of all retailers try to redeposit at least once to give it a chance to make good. And no where in the caasinos terms and conditions does it say it will not honor any winnings if a check shall come back . All it says is you agree that you have not committede any fraud to obtain the money that was deposited, so technically I have come to the conlusion if I was to go based on their terms and conditions that they would have to pay. Becaus at no time did she committ any fraudulant activity. he took her name off the next morning not at the time the deposit was made. I do know some casinos that say all winnings will be void if check turns out to be nsf, This one does not. And they are pretty well known and have a decent rep. But then on the other hand who knows ...

 

[silkprint]

Hmmm
but that's where she may have a problem ....in the fact that her name wasn't on the account ?? Did the check actually bounce yet ? If it didn't then why not have her simply put the money in the account ? or have her husband contact the bank to say to let it clear? I didn't realize with a joint account that one name could be taken off like that without both signatures ...at my bank it takes both to have one person removed.

 

[JohnGalt]

Yeah if this is over the weekend and the check hasn't processed yet, I would do everything in my power to make sure that it goes through. Surely her husband would open it back up for $10k or whatever?

 

[The Watchdog]

Difficult one

Is true, I liked the analogy of the car insurance.

I would be honest.

If she has gambled at other casinos, prove it and make sure you are no scammer trying to pull out a trick.

I would send a Western Union right away to show that I am an honest player, give up a $2k tip for the CS department or something and then stay as a loyal customer.

Weird story for me, and its quite a case.

What does this story leave us?? Use freaking Neteller, Moneybookers or W/U... no shit like that can happen with them

 

[soflat]

And no where in the caasinos terms and conditions does it say it will not honor any winnings if a check shall come back . All it says is you agree that you have not committede any fraud to obtain the money that was deposited, so technically I have come to the conlusion if I was to go based on their terms and conditions that they would have to pay.

Fraud or no fraud, it doesn't necessarily matter.

Technically she did not deposit any money into the casino yet. So how can she claim winnings?

On the other hand, if she lost the casino would still want the money.

I think this comes down to if the casino is forgiving and if the player has made other legit deposits without passing bad checks, because like someone else said they have probably been scammed many times by other people not honoring deposits on closed or bogus accts.

 

[silkprint]

This is an interesting thread and I will be curious to see what happens.

 

[MSWILS411]

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he can not contact them and tell them to let it clear, he closed the account. I thought the same thing about nedding both signatures . The credit union said that is not the case because he had the account prior to adding her to it. It was not opened as a joint account he added her to it after he had already had it.

 

[Lord_Have_Mercy]

If It was done via eCheck and there is money in the account. It will still clear whether its her name or her husband name or even Donald Duck's name is on the account. A problem will occur if there is no money in the account or the Husband has a stop payment on that specific transaction or all EFT transactions. Also note the winnings may also go back to that eCheck account that it was debited from. At some point she will have to deal with her husband on this issues. If there is no money in the account and the account is still active. She may have time to run down to the bank and make a cash deposit most eCheck takes a few business days to hit the bank account. Depending on the time of day you deposit. If for some reason that check doesn't clear you will certainly lose your winnings.

 

[khanhdom]

sorry, but I had a similar situation, where my check took way more than average time of clearing in my bank, and made me chargeback. They did not allow the funds with no question. but maybe her casino is more lenieant(sp) and i wish best of luck.

however what did she play to go up so big from 200....incredible

 

[silkprint]

If Lord have mercy is right then I suggest you run your fanny down to the bank as soon as they open Monday and get that money in there .

 

[pacers31]

Bad check, closed account, no way they are going to pay. Even if they did, where would they send the money to? She better get with her ex and get the account reopened and funded by Monday. If she can beat the bank and collect her 20K, who knows, maybe their "irreconcilable" differences can be overcome!LOL How would that be for an inspirational casino story, "CASINO X SAVED MY MARRIAGE" haha! Seriously, it is time for her to play beat the bank and get money in there ASAP or she is out of luck. It doesn't matter how honest a person is, it is fraud legally to write a check that funds are not available to cover, pure and simple. The law isn't necessarily fair, the law is just the law.

 

[MSWILS411]

Ok let me try to clear this up

When she made the deposit her name was on the account and the check was good. Now this is where i am shocked, She requsted a withdrawl by check by courier not only are they proccessing it but the casino flushed it for her. My theory is the company that processes that casinos payout checks will interveine. Any opinions on this? The fact that they flushed it and it says work in progress does that mean anything?

 

[silkprint]

Flush just means they took it out of the play area really although it does speed things up . Has she ever withdrawn with them before?

 

[MSWILS411]

No

No she had never played before .. So flush means nothing really in this? I just feel sorry for her only because I know she did nothing intentionally wrong. He r hubby basically screwed her.

 

[paul02085]

No she had never played before .. So flush means nothing really in this? I just feel sorry for her only because I know she did nothing intentionally wrong. He r hubby basically screwed her.

Something tells me he may have a different opinion on that.

 

[paul02085]

Pacer31 said -" If she can beat the bank and collect her 20K, who knows, maybe their "irreconcilable" differences can be overcome!LOL How would that be for an inspirational casino story, "CASINO X SAVED MY MARRIAGE" haha! "


This would be a good one for the Jackpot Factory people to use as an inspirational story plus it would be the first TRUE one.

 

[silkprint]

I am still wondering why she can't just put the money in the bank if what Lord have mercy said is right on . Whose money was it that was sitting in the bank account ? You see my point .
You can't expect a casino to front you money to play with a then split with you if you win or take the loss if you lose. It just doesn't work that way and to hope it will 'slide' through without them knowing just isn't right . Obviously noone informed the casino which was suggested in one of the first posts so already it would look bad even if what you are saying is totally on the up and up .

 

[khanhdom]

so the check cleared? well I don't see what hte problem is anymore if she requested a check withdrawal

 

[tombomb]

Work in progress

When she made the deposit her name was on the account and the check was good. Now this is where i am shocked, She requsted a withdrawl by check by courier not only are they proccessing it but the casino flushed it for her. My theory is the company that processes that casinos payout checks will interveine. Any opinions on this? The fact that they flushed it and it says work in progress does that mean anything?

Work in progress means they are working to find any way possible to screw you out of your money.Sounds like they have one this time.I have to laugh when they ask for scanned documents "to protect the player".How does that protect the player?They really mean if the name,address,ID dont match grab your ankles.they dont care if someone fraudulently deposits and loses.Irt doesnt cost them anything unless they payout.

 

[MSWILS411]

I am still wondering why she can't just put the money in the bank if what Lord have mercy said is right on . Whose money was it that was sitting in the bank account ? You see my point .
You can't expect a casino to front you money to play with a then split with you if you win or take the loss if you lose. It just doesn't work that way and to hope it will 'slide' through without them knowing just isn't right . Obviously noone informed the casino which was suggested in one of the first posts so already it would look bad even if what you are saying is totally on the up and up .

THATS WHAT I KEEP TRYING TO EXPLAIN. IF ANYONE HERE HAS A BANK ACCOUNT WITH NAVY FEDERAL CREDIT UNION OR IF ANYONE WOULD LIKE TO CALL AND ASK THEM THIS. YOU WILL KNOW WHAT I AM SAYING IS CORRECT. SHE CANNOT GO PUT THE MONEY IN THE ACCOUNT BECAUSE HE CLOSED THE ACCOUNT. AND FROM WHAT HAS BEEN EXPLAINED TO ME YES SHE CAN GO OPEN A ACCOUNT OF HER OWN THERE BUT IT WILL NOT BE THE SAME ACCOUNT NUMBER ONCE A ACCOUNT IS CLOSED THAT ACCOUNT NUMBER CANNOT BE REISSUED. IF YOU READ MY FIRST POST I EXPLAINED HOW IT ALL HAPPENED. I HAVE TOLD HER SHE MORE LIKLEY THAN NOT WILL HAVE ALL THE WINNINGS VOIDED. SHE DID GO PURCHASE A MONEY ORDER TO OVERNIGHT EXPRESS IT TO THEM. I GUESS WE WILL SEE..THANKS TO ALL OF YOU FOR YOUR INPUT ON THIS SORRY FOR THE CAPS KEYBOARD IS STUCK

 

[silkprint]

No reason to get upset .
You first said he simply took her name off the account and then later said he withdrew all the money and now say he closed the account .
You asked for input .
Like I said hopefully someone with ecash experience will respond.

 

[MSWILS411]

NO WAIT

I WAS NOT GETTING UPSET THATS WHY I SAID SORRY FOR THE CAPS. DID NOT MEAN TO SOUND RUDE. I REALIZED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. IN MY FIRST POST I GUESS I WAS NOT THAT CLEAR. I SAID THEY HAD AGREED TO LEAVE THAT ONE OPEN, MEANING HE CLOSED THE ENTIRE ACCOUNT. MY APOLOGIES. I DO WANT INPUT AND APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

 

[winbig]

THEY HAD AGREED TO LEAVE THAT ONE OPEN, MEANING HE CLOSED THE ENTIRE ACCOUNT. MY APOLOGIES. I DO WANT INPUT AND APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

That'd be an interesting court battle if they decided not to pay her because of this.

ie: She could try suing him for damages as a result of him closing that account....her winnings

Of course it'd only hold up in court if they had something in writing saying such a thing.

 

[chuchu59]

I WAS NOT GETTING UPSET THATS WHY I SAID SORRY FOR THE CAPS. DID NOT MEAN TO SOUND RUDE. I REALIZED WHAT YOU WERE SAYING. IN MY FIRST POST I GUESS I WAS NOT THAT CLEAR. I SAID THEY HAD AGREED TO LEAVE THAT ONE OPEN, MEANING HE CLOSED THE ENTIRE ACCOUNT. MY APOLOGIES. I DO WANT INPUT AND APPRECIATE IT VERY MUCH.

You werent rude at all. No worries on that. However, I am a little confused. Do you mean that when your friend deposited via echeck, she hadnt transferred the money to the account yet. If so, we cannot basically say that the check was good. You also mentioned that she had not played before. Do you mean for this specific casino only or that she is totally new to online gambling? If it's the former, there may be some hope yet if she can prove that her checks deposited at other casinos were always good. Otherwise, it will be difficult to get winnings on a bounced check. Good luck, anyway.

 

[MSWILS411]

NO IT WAS

NO SHE WAS NOT MAKING A TRANSFER TO THAT ACCOUNT . IT WAS ALREADY THERE. SHE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PAY A BILL AND WHEN SHE WENT TO CHECK THE BALANCE OF HER OTHER ACCOUNT DURING THIS PROCCESS SHE FOUND OUT HE CLOSED IT.. AND NO SHE IS NEW TO ONLINE GAMBLING. THATS WHY I BELIVE EVEN SENDING THAT MONEY ORDER IS NT GONNA HELP HER ,

 

[winbig]

NO SHE WAS NOT MAKING A TRANSFER TO THAT ACCOUNT . IT WAS ALREADY THERE. SHE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PAY A BILL AND WHEN SHE WENT TO CHECK THE BALANCE OF HER OTHER ACCOUNT DURING THIS PROCCESS SHE FOUND OUT HE CLOSED IT.. AND NO SHE IS NEW TO ONLINE GAMBLING. THATS WHY I BELIVE EVEN SENDING THAT MONEY ORDER IS NT GONNA HELP HER ,

IMHO I think that if she can prove the account was open and had the funds available to cover the deposit when it was made, she shouldn't have any problems.

 

[chuchu59]

IMHO I think that if she can prove the account was open and had the funds available to cover the deposit when it was made, she shouldn't have any problems.

Ditto. This seems to be an honest mistake and there should be no problems with most MG casinos. However, if its one of those nasty playtech or RTG, then.......

 

[pacers31]

Guys, the casino doesn't care about any of these details. All they are concerned with is whether the debit goes through when presented for payment. If she doesn't get her ex to reopen this account very quickly, the debited item will go through and be returned as an NSF item! All this stuff about her being a nice person doesn't matter. She better make nice with the ex husband long enough to get the cash in the account or she can kiss it goodbye. I wish I could give you a warmer and fuzzier version of this, but it is business pure and simple. Like I said previously, if this casino is willing to payout on NSF checks, I'm going to play there all day. Get my check ready casino X, I have lots of blank checks!! Not that many of them are any good though LOL!!! Character doesn't matter, only $$$$$$$ to the casinos

 

[winbig]

Guys, the casino doesn't care about any of these details. All they are concerned with is whether the debit goes through when presented for payment. If she doesn't get her ex to reopen this account very quickly, the debited item will go through and be returned as an NSF item! All this stuff about her being a nice person doesn't matter. She better make nice with the ex husband long enough to get the cash in the account or she can kiss it goodbye. I wish I could give you a warmer and fuzzier version of this, but it is business pure and simple. Like I said previously, if this casino is willing to payout on NSF checks, I'm going to play there all day. Get my check ready casino X, I have lots of blank checks!! Not that many of them are any good though LOL!!! Character doesn't matter, only $$$$$$$ to the casinos

Again, if she can prove the account was open when the deposit was made, and had funds in it for the check to clear, the casino doesn't have a leg to stand on if they don't want to pay. Also I'm sure she can get a letter from the bank stating it was not her that closed the account, but her husband.

 

[silkprint]

What has the casino said so far?

 

[jenn1381]

Casino's don't typically care about all the little details.. Who did what and when and why. All they'll see is a NSF, and a pending large payout from the same person. I wish I could say I have some faith in the Casino that they'll do the right thing, but haven't we all been around long enough to know that this RARELY happens? Casino operators are exactly like the rest of us, all they see is the mighty dollar.

Very interested to see how this pans out. Hoping for the best for your friend, but still living in the land of knowing what casinos/people are like. If nothing else, the husband would get my foot up his ass for that one. Unreal that someone can close an account with 2 names on it. I have a buisness account with my buisness partner and we tried to close it not too long ago - she went in alone - nope, can't do that without my signiture. As annoying as it was, good on the bank. That's the way it should be with NO exceptions. Otherwise, in a nasty divorce, people will be stealing from one another left and right. Like I said.. people are generally all about the mighty dollar.. oh, and revenge.

Good luck to you... now that the weekend is over, the casino should have something to say. Let us know how it all pans out.

 

[mitch]

This is an interesting thread and I will be curious to see what happens.

Don't hold your breath!

The chances of this player getting her $20k are almost nil.

Some members have said that if she could prove she had the funds at the moment she wrote the cheque then she should be paid.

Don't think so!

Eg Write a cheque, get hubby to withdraw all the money and close the account, plead innocence to the Casino.

I am not saying that is what has happened here but how is the Casino to know?

A casino I play at has recently removed my 25K limit. I could theoretically pull that sort of scam and go for a 100K plus win with no risk if I lost.

I am afraid there is too much at stake for Casinos for them to pay winnings on bad cheques.

Mitch

 

[Macgyver]

Me? I'm for the honest approach ...

Contact the casino and explain the situation to them. Send the money order that she's gotten (to replace the bad cheque) to the casino. Get in writing (email would do) an agreement that the casino will hold the $20,000 payout until they receive the money order and cash it. Once they receive the money order, the player will be paid the $20,000.

Everybody gets what they should and everything's above board.

 

[jenn1381]

Ok, seriously.. let's look at this from the casino's perspective.

Someone writes a bad check and wins.. Of COURSE they're gonna offer to send a check right away to cover their deposit.. They lose and I bet they're not going to be so complying. I am NOT saying that's what's happened here, I feel for this woman, big time. However you have to logically look at it from both sides. I hope she gets paid, but unless she can get that account re-opened and get the money in there before it bounces, it's unlikely. And I really can't blame the casino for not paying her.

 

[chuchu59]

I dont understand. If this player was trying to defraud the casino she would have left sufficient funds to let the cheque clear if she wins big time. If she had lost she would be rushing to withdraw the money through an ATM wouldnt she. I doubt whether she would engage herself in this sort of a predicament.

 

[silcnlayc]

Someone writes a bad check and wins.. Of COURSE they're gonna offer to send a check right away to cover their deposit.. They lose and I bet they're not going to be so complying.

Interestingly very true regardless of any excuses. Why did she not know the account was closed? It doesn't happen overnight.

IT WAS ALREADY THERE. SHE WAS ACTUALLY GOING TO PAY A BILL AND WHEN SHE WENT TO CHECK THE BALANCE OF HER OTHER ACCOUNT DURING THIS PROCCESS SHE FOUND OUT HE CLOSED IT..

Unreal that someone can close an account with 2 names on it. I have a buisness account with my buisness partner and we tried to close it not too long ago - she went in alone - nope, can't do that without my signiture

You can close an account if you're the primary (First Name on account with one signor required) but cannot close an account if you are the secondary on the account, but you CAN have your name removed and all responsiblity pertaining to the account.

 

[moonchica]

Winner screenshots

Ok I am not gonna say names because it may make it worse. A few nights ago i wona good bit of money as posted in the screen shots. i called my friend and so she logged into her account and decided to pla as we were talking on the phone . She also won and way more than i did, problem is she deposited by echeck 200.00. okay so the next day she decids to do a withdrawl by ach bank transfer. She called her bank because she has 2 accounts there and wanted to transfer some money. Her husband has taken her off the bank account. They had a agreement to leave that one open until the divorce was finale. Why i have no clue other thanhe was getting the housing allowance allotment sent there cause hes military and until the divorce is finale that has to go to her. My question is, She won over 20,000.00 but when that echeck does not clear she will not get a dime of it is what I'm thinking. Any suggestions, Someone said maybe she should try to make a deal with the casino , I'm coming here where I know people will be honest. Thanks you guys any suggestions would be so appreciated

MS: You have a $23K screen shot in the winning screenies thread. If your friend won "way more" than you -- how much are we talking?

 

[nafanny29]

I dont understand. If this player was trying to defraud the casino she would have left sufficient funds to let the cheque clear if she wins big time. If she had lost she would be rushing to withdraw the money through an ATM wouldnt she. I doubt whether she would engage herself in this sort of a predicament.

Good point. Although I think this player will be lucky to get anything. A lot of casinos try to find bogus reasons to deny a big payout, here they have been gifted a real reason unfortunately.

 

[jenn1381]

I dont understand. If this player was trying to defraud the casino she would have left sufficient funds to let the cheque clear if she wins big time. If she had lost she would be rushing to withdraw the money through an ATM wouldnt she. I doubt whether she would engage herself in this sort of a predicament.

Perhaps, but how many casinos do you know that have logical and rational thought when it comes to paying a large winner? Most if not all will search for ANY reason at all not to pay. This casino is lucky, a great reason has fallen right into their laps. Whether it's wrong or right, it's the chance we all take while playing online.

 

[Linus]

Don't hold your breath!

The chances of this player getting her $20k are almost nil.

Some members have said that if she could prove she had the funds at the moment she wrote the cheque then she should be paid.

Don't think so!

Eg Write a cheque, get hubby to withdraw all the money and close the account, plead innocence to the Casino.

I am not saying that is what has happened here but how is the Casino to know?

A casino I play at has recently removed my 25K limit. I could theoretically pull that sort of scam and go for a 100K plus win with no risk if I lost.

I am afraid there is too much at stake for Casinos for them to pay winnings on bad cheques.

Mitch

Mitch, I'm sure you're 100% correct. There's no way a casino voluntarily sets itself up to be freerolled.

Here's what I don't understand, though - what's to stop a player from depositing, and then waiting until after he won or lost, before closing - or not closing - the acct?

I mean, look at what happened here. She supposedly deposited, won, and then closed - or her husband closed - the acct. If she was scamming, she would have closed the acct after losing, not after having won.

What kind of scammer closes an acct after having won?

 

[Simmo!]

I'm not sure how relevant this is, but flip this on it's head.

You put an item on Ebay which is worth $25,000. You forget to set a reserve and a bidder comes in with $100 and wins it. But then sends you a check that bounces. What do you do? I know what you *should* do. But what do you actually do?

This is different though in the respect that, unfortunately, there are a number of players out there who will try and defraud casinos and this means everyone is under suspicion, particularly if they are a first time player. Until these players stop acting like tw*ts, that's what we'll have to live with if we unwittingly show similar tendencies

On a more constructive note, why don't you ask the casino that if you can provide proof that the account was closed by your ex without your signature , and then get the bank to write you a letter, that would be my approach.

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[pacers31]

Unless she gets the account reopened and the transaction clears, stick a fork in her, unfortunately, she is done!!! Not saying this is what happened, but what if she deposited without funds being available, or knowing that the account had been previously closed?? And now lo and behold, SHE WINS!!! Of course she looks for any way to get the winnings. Just speculating about how the casino will see it. TELL YOUR FRIEND TO GET THE ACCOUNT REOPENED AND FUNDED IMMEDIATELY OR LOSE!!!