Nostalgia Cipher Strand

[cipher]

Well now that The Phoenician and Nostalgia casinos have signed on with the Casinomeister let's see what kind of special deal they have in store for the members of Casinomeister. After all Dean, remember that old phrase "Seeing is believing."

I've attached another session of free play from Nostalgia that I just finished.

If anyone has any concerns about the results of their real play session at Nostalgia casino over the next couple of days and you would like to have your real play session converted to a Cipher Strand, just request your log data files from Nostalgia, post them here and I'll convert that data to a Cipher Strand and that way I won't even be accused by Dean of cherry picking sessions to record or manipulating the data.

Hell, to make it interesting, I'll even do three sessions (one session per person) but for the sake of my time keep the sessions to 60 hands or less. Have a good one.

Cheers

 

[sw2003]

So are we supposed to draw any conclusions from this strand? This particular session doesn't look too bad compared with others from Phoenician that you have posted.

I sort of lost the point of your more recent posts! Whenever you post a strand, does it mean you are of the opinion that particular casino or software isn't quite fair or .... ?

 

[cipher]

So are we supposed to draw any conclusions from this strand? This particular session doesn't look too bad compared with others from Phoenician that you have posted.

I sort of lost the point of your more recent posts! Whenever you post a strand, does it mean you are of the opinion that particular casino or software isn't quite fair or .... ?

Well if you compare this session of free play to the results that you find in real play there is generally a sigificant difference. Have a good one.

 

[Casinomeister]

So are we supposed to draw any conclusions from this strand? This particular session doesn't look too bad compared with others from Phoenician that you have posted.

I sort of lost the point of your more recent posts! Whenever you post a strand, does it mean you are of the opinion that particular casino or software isn't quite fair or .... ?

You've lost me as well. I have no idea what these posts are all about. It's like you are incinuating that operators are able to pull switches or sprinkle magic fairy dust on their computers to make the software do certain things. RTG operators have no control over the software. They are merely managing the casinos.

 

[Sodax77]

You've lost me as well. I have no idea what these posts are all about. It's like you are incinuating that operators are able to pull switches or sprinkle magic fairy dust on their computers to make the software do certain things. RTG operators have no control over the software. They are merely managing the casinos.

I Agree that.

And i don't play BJ (maybe sometimes, but not regularly), neither collect any log-files, or checking "Cipher Strand's" never, etc

But i still have suggestion. If you are really interesting to proof something, why don't you (all) (who want) create some section to some forum, where people can send their log-files. Make some rules/standards to this log-center. And when you have millions and millions hand, and all log-files is review correctly. Just publish that. If this kind of site/forum-section is exist somewhere, you have to tell people! So they can be part of this (if they want).

 

[caruso]

I wouldn't make too many assumptions about who can do what with whatever software. There is no evidence to support the claim. RTG operators can 1) adjust number of decks and 2) set the payout on the pure slots; setting the payout on all the remaining "slots" - ie. table games I don't see as being remotely distict. Reels are spun / "cards" are dealt.

Any data posted publically is of great value insofar as anomalies may be brought to light. That they are not on any given session is not a disincentive to publish random data.

Cipher - clarification here: you can run any log files through your programme and get a stats breakdown? I'm not clear yet about the actual purpose of the programme (pure stats? "trends"?), but I'd be delighted to give you my Bodog results for analysis. There are many thousands of hands so it may be beyond your capacity, but I'd be a very worthwhile experiment.

 

[GrandMaster]

But i still have suggestion. If you are really interesting to proof something, why don't you (all) (who want) create some section to some forum, where people can send their log-files. Make some rules/standards to this log-center. And when you have millions and millions hand, and all log-files is review correctly. Just publish that. If this kind of site/forum-section is exist somewhere, you have to tell people! So they can be part of this (if they want).

Truegambler's Online Casino Analyzer is trying to do something like this. The problem with Cipher strands is that you have to enter the data by hand, so people could enter fake data or submit genuine data selectively.

 

[cipher]

You've lost me as well. I have no idea what these posts are all about. It's like you are incinuating that operators are able to pull switches or sprinkle magic fairy dust on their computers to make the software do certain things. RTG operators have no control over the software. They are merely managing the casinos.

You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. Whatever that might be, is based only on what someone else has told you. I'd like to know what FACTS you might have to offer in support of a comment such as "They are merely managing the casinos."

What's happening between you and Realtime Gaming now Bryan is nothing different than what you where trying to set up last year by "posting the bail" for the clowns at Hampton and Delano casinos and totally trashing the pirate. It was all about the green then and it's all about the green now.

Now we have the same possibilities of the Crystal Palace coming back into play again. Fortunately a stake has finally be driven through the heart of the heart of Delano Casino or I guess you'd be trying to ressurect them as well.

Lastly Bryan, you havn't got a clue as to who you're dealing with as far as this Phoenician and Nostalgia number is concerned, but everytime you've chosen to get involved with anything RTG you've gotten burned badly.

 

[cipher]

I wouldn't make too many assumptions about who can do what with whatever software. There is no evidence to support the claim. RTG operators can 1) adjust number of decks and 2) set the payout on the pure slots; setting the payout on all the remaining "slots" - ie. table games I don't see as being remotely distict. Reels are spun / "cards" are dealt.

Any data posted publically is of great value insofar as anomalies may be brought to light. That they are not on any given session is not a disincentive to publish random data.

Cipher - clarification here: you can run any log files through your programme and get a stats breakdown? I'm not clear yet about the actual purpose of the programme (pure stats? "trends"?), but I'd be delighted to give you my Bodog results for analysis. There are many thousands of hands so it may be beyond your capacity, but I'd be a very worthwhile experiment.

Hi Caruso, I've emailed you an email address that will handle any size file you want to send incident to the aforementioned BoDog files. Have a good one.

 

[bpb]

You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. Whatever that might be, is based only on what someone else has told you. I'd like to know what FACTS you might have to offer in support of a comment such as "They are merely managing the casinos."

I'd love to know what FACTS you have to offer in support of the view that no online casino deals a fair table game.

All I see are is the continual posting of statistically insignificant samples of hands.

I have not once seen anyone post a set of logs that suggest that RTG or Microgaming is not giving a fair deal.

 

[cipher]

I'd love to know what FACTS you have to offer in support of the view that no online casino deals a fair table game.

All I see are is the continual posting of statistically insignificant samples of hands.

I have not once seen anyone post a set of logs that suggest that RTG or Microgaming is not giving a fair deal.

I couldn't care less about what you've seen or what you havn't seen.

 

[bethug]

bpb, why should cipher post in detail what he has, people not going to believe it anyway. For some reason people think the casinos or the software compaines deal a fair game, i have played way to many hours on land and online to be fooled. Each software and sometimes casino i have to play a different way.

 

[Black21Jack]

You can't win here. No matter what you say people will say the opposite, just like I posted a while back in a few threads. If cipher posted his strands in support of a particular casino software people would jump down his throat for that too. I find his posts useful and interesting, and if I didn't I would not read the thread.

 

[bewitch]

LOL~ Pretty truth...

Ciper, when will you arrive Vegas?

 

[Casinomeister]

You can choose to believe whatever you want to believe. Whatever that might be, is based only on what someone else has told you. I'd like to know what FACTS you might have to offer in support of a comment such as "They are merely managing the casinos."

What's happening between you and Realtime Gaming now Bryan is nothing different than what you where trying to set up last year by "posting the bail" for the clowns at Hampton and Delano casinos and totally trashing the pirate. It was all about the green then and it's all about the green now.

Now we have the same possibilities of the Crystal Palace coming back into play again. Fortunately a stake has finally be driven through the heart of the heart of Delano Casino or I guess you'd be trying to ressurect them as well.

Lastly Bryan, you havn't got a clue as to who you're dealing with as far as this Phoenician and Nostalgia number is concerned, but everytime you've chosen to get involved with anything RTG you've gotten burned badly.

Cipher, this is my god damn forum, and when I question what your posts are all about, I do not expect this as part of your reply. "It was all about the green then and it's all about the green now." "Posting the Bail"?? "but everytime you've chosen to get involved with anything RTG you've gotten burned badly"

Where in the f*** have I been burned?! What the hell is going on in your head when you reply like this?

Imagine me really pissed off, because that is what I am at the moment. You don't make statements like this and don't think I will not take them seriously. I can take criticism, but to imply that I'm on the take or making bumbling decisions was way out of line.

If you wanted an open dialogue between the operators and software provider and your data - then you should have approached me and arranged this. I could have set up a specific section have all of this reviewed in public, or private, or whatever. But to trash me when I question what is going on in my forum in unacceptable.

 

[DeMango]

Truth is a rare commodity in this industry but we must for the sake of others and our wallets find it. We have all seen some zany runs playing table games on these casinos. I hope that FairDice or TrueGambler can prove or insure a fair game for all. I know my results have been .5 to 1.5 less than expected value for BJ at some of the leading software providors. I await software (via mail) from Stanley - its my last attempt at a fair game!

 

[bethug]

bryan, the only thiing that will work is random testing , when you tell a casino or software compnay someone going to test it, i am for sure they will deal a fair game. When they audit my books, i dont know when they coming.

also cipher software everytime i see shows a win, he must know something we dont

 

[caruso]

I hope that FairDice or TrueGambler can prove or insure a fair game for all.

Amen, brother. I can't think of a statement I could agree more whole-heartedly with.

Honest, independent, verifiable regulation.

Excuse me while I dream a bit.

 

[spearmaster]

What bethug said.

The strand shows a win - so is Cipher just posting normal results or are we supposed to see something in there that indicates that some abnormality is present? Or are we supposed to be starting some sort of conspiracy LOL...

I think everyone can take this discussion down about five notches - personally I do not see anything wrong on either side, except a couple of you letting emotions get the better of you (not that it doesn't happen to me either LOL).

 

[cipher]

LOL~ Pretty truth...

Ciper, when will you arrive Vegas?

Hi Bewitch;

I live in the central San Joaquin Valley in California and from the time "wheels are up" it takes me about 25 minutes to get to Vegas. So I'm not locked into any particular time of arrival or fortunately departure. But if you're going to be there I won't miss the opportunity to get together. Have a good one.

 

[cipher]

What bethug said.

The strand shows a win - so is Cipher just posting normal results or are we supposed to see something in there that indicates that some abnormality is present? Or are we supposed to be starting some sort of conspiracy LOL...

Hi Spear; The fact is simply this, using Cipher I track a session of Blackjack from a non-RTG casino and then from an RTG casino. It's up to the individual to read whatever they want in or out of the Cipher strands. If the individual sees something that's fine and if they don't that's fine too. End of story. Have a good one.

 

[jerseyguy11]

its pointless to keep discussing the "is this casino fair, is RTG fair" issues again and again. I have to admit that I wouldnt have listened to any of it 3 years ago. People just need to learn for themselves I suppose.

 

[cipher]

Cipher, this is my god damn forum, and when I question what your posts are all about, I do not expect this as part of your reply. "It was all about the green then and it's all about the green now." "Posting the Bail"?? "but everytime you've chosen to get involved with anything RTG you've gotten burned badly"

Where in the f*** have I been burned?! What the hell is going on in your head when you reply like this?

Imagine me really pissed off, because that is what I am at the moment. You don't make statements like this and don't think I will not take them seriously. I can take criticism, but to imply that I'm on the take or making bumbling decisions was way out of line.

If you wanted an open dialogue between the operators and software provider and your data - then you should have approached me and arranged this. I could have set up a specific section have all of this reviewed in public, or private, or whatever. But to trash me when I question what is going on in my forum in unacceptable.

Bryan;

Don't you ever labor under the dillusion Bryan that can talk down to me. I won't take it from you or anyone else for that matter. You try that kind of "BS" with me and you can expect both barrels back from me my friend.

The fact of the matter is this. For months now the Cipher strands have been viewed by one hell of a lot of people on this forum and with the exception of less than a handfull (INCLUDING YOURSELF) everyone seems to have gotten something out of them. If you havn't, I'm sorry, it's not my job to be all things to all people all of the time.

 

[bpb]

Bryan;

Don't you ever labor under the dillusion Bryan that can talk down to me. I won't take it from you or anyone else for that matter. You try that kind of "BS" with me and you can expect both barrels back from me my friend.

I'm pretty sure you're the one who talked down to him.

For that matter, do you actually read any of the comments posted, or do you just fly off the handle as soon as you see anything that isn't in 100% agreement with you. Rational responses to arguments typically work better than violent accusations.

 

[cipher]

I'm pretty sure you're the one who talked down to him.

For that matter, do you actually read any of the comments posted, or do you just fly off the handle as soon as you see anything that isn't in 100% agreement with you. Rational responses to arguments typically work better than violent accusations.

Try this bpb, that matter is between Bryan and I. Had it anything to do with you it would have been addressed to you. Understand?